"How can anybody with the intelligence of a six year old actually still believe the republicans are actually still interested in health care reform?"
We need to pose this question to the six-year-old-in-chief.
mikeyDe
· 4 months ago
In a country where the media weren't part of the problem the banner headline would be: "Health Insurance Companies Have More Rights Than 77% Of The People."
Chris From Maine
· 4 months ago
The saddest part?
More people in the Senate will have voted to kill Iraqis then to help save the lives of the American people.
And you know what? A lot of America doesnt deserve health care reform. They are too stupid and too ignorant to deserve it. They deserve to be stuck in this horrible pathetic health care system we have now.
Heres my idea.. one health care system for Democrats, and one for Republicans. See who lives longer.
vkobaya
· 4 months ago
More people in the Senate will have voted to kill Iraqis then to help save the lives of the American people.
Ugh! You hit the nail on the head. That is the ugly, ugly, ugly, extremely hateful truth about the American Senators. That is disgusting. And, my personal belief is they knew well that the Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11, that we were slaughtering innocent people.
condew
· 4 months ago
Perhaps we could design a public option where the insurance application is actually an intelligence test; if you're dumb enough to be a Republican, you're too dumb to benefit from good health care reform.
shhhh
· 4 months ago
there you go again with your death panels, you betcha!
Judas Peckerwood
· 4 months ago
"How can anybody with the intelligence of a six year old actually still believe the republicans are actually still interested in health care reform?"
Better question: Given the way this debacle has played out, how can anybody of ANY intelligence believe that the corporatists who control the national Democratic Party were EVER interested in health care reform?
mwfolsom
· 4 months ago
Yes, Yes - a thousand times yes.
This whole thing has been mismanaged so badly you have to assume the screw up is intentional.
Montiel
· 4 months ago
mw - good point. The sooner we move past assume the quicker we'll realize we're in deep ka-ka.
magnolia49
· 4 months ago
A vote to go to war should require all 100 in agreement.
Would never happen.
No war.
libertydan
· 4 months ago
America seems cursed to lose all undeclared wars, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korean, ect.
Chris From Maine
· 4 months ago
when Obama leaves office in 2016 (Hopefully) we will be in Afghanistan for 15 years.
Does anyone think anything will be accomplished in that time?
Bring ALL the troops home. Now.
vkobaya
· 4 months ago
Does anyone think anything will be accomplished in that time?
1.3 million dead Iraqs, 4-5 million homeless refugees, the nation's infrastructure destroyed, people are starving, violent anti-government insurgency. Those are achievements in Bush's/Obama's book. They are looking for similar accomplishments in Afghanistan, brutal butchery/slaughter of another million or so infidels and brownies, bomb the nation back to stone age, hunter/gather stage, etc.
Dateline_Molly
· 4 months ago
Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism. :-(
vkobaya
· 4 months ago
Ain't imperialism, but genocide.
Eric Prince, founder of Blackwater believes it his Christian duty to exterminate the Islamic religion and all its adherents from the face of the earth. That is the same stupid sort of fundamentalism as we accuse the Taliban of practicing. My guess is Prince also believes women should be stoned for speaking up in church, should never be over a man and should not vote or drive.
Dateline_Molly
· 4 months ago
It's obvious many many "liberals" support this shit, though. The antiwar "movement" is effectively dead. Makes it seem like the antiwar-speak in 2003 and through the Bush years was just a propaganda effort.
osage
· 4 months ago
POLITICAL EQUIVALENT OF A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD?
Here’s my problem with how the public “negotiations” with Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats over national health care reform have been conducted by President Obama up to now. By repeatedly stating and or implying publically that Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats actually WANT national health care/insurance reform, when all they really want is to defeat him and Democrats to maintain the status quo; Obama has “unbelievably” been giving Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats a POLITICAL PASS for obstructing meaningful reform. He has not been forcing them to PAY A POLITICAL PRICE for organizing dishonest and scurrilous personal campaigns to obstruct, undermine and stop meaningful national health care/insurance reform.
WHY hasn’t he been making them accountable for “their” bold-faced lies and duplicitous bad faith?
WHY has he been letting the rat bastards walk away unscathed while they are doing everything they can to screw him and the American people over?
WHY did he choose to do that? What constituency did that appeal to?
WHY did he think that the politics of accommodation, seduction and persuasion would have any effect on the “people” who have consistently demonstrated their entrenched lack of concern for the welfare of working class, working poor and impoverished American families? WHY?
teammarty
· 4 months ago
But O'Same sicked Rham on the Progressive Caucus for daring to support his Campaign Promises.
Montiel
· 4 months ago
Interested in health care?
That's a good one. Try this on for size.
300:1
That's the ratio of right-wing talk-show hours v. progressive talk-show hours on the public airwaves.
Hello, hello, hello.....is there anybody out there?
Indigo
· 4 months ago
With all due respect, Republicans are not interested in health care for all citizens. Never have been, never will be.
lilliannerose
· 4 months ago
If only one could shame them into positive action, unfortunately, it appears that the Repubs and some Dems have no shame.
Busboy
· 4 months ago
Maybe they are interested in health care reform. You can only "reform" something that exists. That would be medicaid, medicare and the VA. All of these programs already have unfunded future liabilities that boggle the mind. As bad as the insurance companies are managing the HMO's and major med policies? At least at the end of the month; they are paid for and nobody is printing greenbacks to cover unfunded liabilities.
Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood)
· 4 months ago
Strawman.
Dateline_Molly
· 4 months ago
Joe Bageant:
"There ain't any healthcare debate going on, Bubba. What is going on are mob negotiations about insurance, and which mob gets the biggest chunk of the dough, be it our taxpayer dough or the geet that isn't in ole Jim's impoverished purse. The hoo-ha is about the insurance racket, not the delivery of healthcare to human beings. It's simply another form of extorting the people regarding a fundamental need -- health.
"Unfortunately, the people have been mesmerized by our theater state's purposefully distracting and dramatic media productions for so long they've been mutated toward helplessness. Consequently, they are incapable of asking themselves a simple question: If insurance corporation profits are one third of the cost of healthcare, and all insurance corporations do is deliver our money to healthcare providers for us (or actually, do everything in their power to keep the money for themselves), why do we need insurance companies at all? Answer: Because Wall Street gets a big piece of the action. And nobody messes with the Wall Street Mob (as the bailout extortion money proved). Better (and worse) presidents have tried. Some made a genuine effort to push it through Congress. Others expressed the desire publicly, but after getting privately muscled by the healthcare industry, decided to back off from the idea. For instance:
* Franklin Roosevelt wanted universal healthcare. * Harry Truman wanted universal healthcare. * Dwight Eisenhower wanted universal healthcare. * Richard Nixon wanted universal healthcare. * Lyndon Johnson wanted universal healthcare. * Bill Clinton wanted -- well we can't definitely say because he made sure that if the issue blew up on him, which it did, Hillary would be left holding the turd. Is it any wonder that woman gets so snappy at the slightest provocation? First getting left to hold the bag on healthcare, then the spots on that blue dress.
So why did American liberals believe Obama would bring home the healthcare bacon? Because they live in an ideological cupcake land. It's a big neighborhood, a very special place where "Your vote is important," and "by electing the right candidate, you can change our beloved nation." Most of America lives in that neighborhood, even though they've never personally met. It's a place where the shrubbery and flowerbeds of such things as "values" and "hope" bloom. Hope that our desires coupled with the efforts of a good and decent president can affect "change." Evidently these voters never heard the old adage, "Hope in one hand and piss in the other, and see which one fills up first."
dula
· 4 months ago
I was hoping that since TARP transfered what was left of taxpayer wealth to Wall Street that they would be temporarily satisfied and therefore a tad less tyrannical on healthcare. They really don't want the working person to have anything in this filthy nation. Whatever. Wake me up when the People get serious.
Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood)
· 4 months ago
I guess it all depends on how fast Baucas and Bingamin bend over for Grassley. "May I have another, sir"
pedestrianrage
· 4 months ago
another sad reminder of how republicans are/were able to intimidate their opponents into getting what they wanted, and the weakling, impotent, inability of the democrats to return the favor over such an important, moral safety issue. f-ing pathetic.
ManOnDog
· 4 months ago
Next it will be: 80 votes, 160 virgins, 1000 head of cattle, and a 'mandate' from the people (the Republicans in Congress seem to be wholly concerned about 'the will of the people' all of a sudden)
vkobaya
· 4 months ago
No, no, no. Not 160 virgins. 70 virgins for each Republican and they want them here on earth, not in the afterlife. And they will fight and kill each other to see who gets Sasha and Malia in their harum. Course, we know what their afterlife will be like, fire and brimstone ... yeah, the Democrats want only 15 virgins each.
mikeyDe
· 4 months ago
That's because the Democrats chose the high-deductible plan.
leliorisen
· 4 months ago
Actually, next will be 80 Senators who can produce their birth certificates.
leliorisen
· 4 months ago
To answer your question, the GOP strategy is really targeted at those 5 and under...or those with the cognitive ability of that age group.
All Comments
We need to pose this question to the six-year-old-in-chief.
More people in the Senate will have voted to kill Iraqis then to help save the lives of the American people.
And you know what? A lot of America doesnt deserve health care reform. They are too stupid and too ignorant to deserve it. They deserve to be stuck in this horrible pathetic health care system we have now.
Heres my idea.. one health care system for Democrats, and one for Republicans. See who lives longer.
Ugh! You hit the nail on the head. That is the ugly, ugly, ugly, extremely hateful truth about the American Senators. That is disgusting. And, my personal belief is they knew well that the Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11, that we were slaughtering innocent people.
Better question: Given the way this debacle has played out, how can anybody of ANY intelligence believe that the corporatists who control the national Democratic Party were EVER interested in health care reform?
This whole thing has been mismanaged so badly you have to assume the screw up is intentional.
Would never happen.
No war.
Does anyone think anything will be accomplished in that time?
Bring ALL the troops home. Now.
1.3 million dead Iraqs, 4-5 million homeless refugees, the nation's infrastructure destroyed, people are starving, violent anti-government insurgency. Those are achievements in Bush's/Obama's book. They are looking for similar accomplishments in Afghanistan, brutal butchery/slaughter of another million or so infidels and brownies, bomb the nation back to stone age, hunter/gather stage, etc.
Eric Prince, founder of Blackwater believes it his Christian duty to exterminate the Islamic religion and all its adherents from the face of the earth. That is the same stupid sort of fundamentalism as we accuse the Taliban of practicing. My guess is Prince also believes women should be stoned for speaking up in church, should never be over a man and should not vote or drive.
Here’s my problem with how the public “negotiations” with Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats over national health care reform have been conducted by President Obama up to now. By repeatedly stating and or implying publically that Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats actually WANT national health care/insurance reform, when all they really want is to defeat him and Democrats to maintain the status quo; Obama has “unbelievably” been giving Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats a POLITICAL PASS for obstructing meaningful reform. He has not been forcing them to PAY A POLITICAL PRICE for organizing dishonest and scurrilous personal campaigns to obstruct, undermine and stop meaningful national health care/insurance reform.
WHY hasn’t he been making them accountable for “their” bold-faced lies and duplicitous bad faith?
WHY has he been letting the rat bastards walk away unscathed while they are doing everything they can to screw him and the American people over?
WHY did he choose to do that? What constituency did that appeal to?
WHY did he think that the politics of accommodation, seduction and persuasion would have any effect on the “people” who have consistently demonstrated their entrenched lack of concern for the welfare of working class, working poor and impoverished American families? WHY?
That's a good one. Try this on for size.
300:1
That's the ratio of right-wing talk-show hours v. progressive talk-show hours on the public airwaves.
Hello, hello, hello.....is there anybody out there?
"There ain't any healthcare debate going on, Bubba. What is going on are mob negotiations about insurance, and which mob gets the biggest chunk of the dough, be it our taxpayer dough or the geet that isn't in ole Jim's impoverished purse. The hoo-ha is about the insurance racket, not the delivery of healthcare to human beings. It's simply another form of extorting the people regarding a fundamental need -- health.
"Unfortunately, the people have been mesmerized by our theater state's purposefully distracting and dramatic media productions for so long they've been mutated toward helplessness. Consequently, they are incapable of asking themselves a simple question: If insurance corporation profits are one third of the cost of healthcare, and all insurance corporations do is deliver our money to healthcare providers for us (or actually, do everything in their power to keep the money for themselves), why do we need insurance companies at all? Answer: Because Wall Street gets a big piece of the action. And nobody messes with the Wall Street Mob (as the bailout extortion money proved). Better (and worse) presidents have tried. Some made a genuine effort to push it through Congress. Others expressed the desire publicly, but after getting privately muscled by the healthcare industry, decided to back off from the idea. For instance:
* Franklin Roosevelt wanted universal healthcare.
* Harry Truman wanted universal healthcare.
* Dwight Eisenhower wanted universal healthcare.
* Richard Nixon wanted universal healthcare.
* Lyndon Johnson wanted universal healthcare.
* Bill Clinton wanted -- well we can't definitely say because he made sure that if the issue blew up on him, which it did, Hillary would be left holding the turd. Is it any wonder that woman gets so snappy at the slightest provocation? First getting left to hold the bag on healthcare, then the spots on that blue dress.
So why did American liberals believe Obama would bring home the healthcare bacon? Because they live in an ideological cupcake land. It's a big neighborhood, a very special place where "Your vote is important," and "by electing the right candidate, you can change our beloved nation." Most of America lives in that neighborhood, even though they've never personally met. It's a place where the shrubbery and flowerbeds of such things as "values" and "hope" bloom. Hope that our desires coupled with the efforts of a good and decent president can affect "change." Evidently these voters never heard the old adage, "Hope in one hand and piss in the other, and see which one fills up first."
My apologies to toddlers for the insult.