Obama is wrong. The race has changed. Clinton is a warmongering Republican and he must understand this. Otherwise, like the GOP, she will slime and attack him until McCain is sworn in.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
Blah, blah, blah. Remember- Obama may have won places like Idaho in the Primary (where they would vote for any man before even a white woman), but he will never take them in the General Election (where they will vote for ANY white man over anyone else). Hillary is winning in places where a General Dem win really counts.
Besides- the longer she stays in, the more voters come out to the polls. That translates into a bigger win for us in Nov (whoever is on the ticket) and a margin the GOP cannot steal away.
I thought the whole point of re-jiggering the Primary Calendar was so that ALL the states got to vote...I hope they both have to run in every state and territory.
mimart
· 1 year ago
Unfortunately this ‘win’ will only make HRC ratchet up her negative campaign tactics even more for NC and IN. I shudder to think of what negative, disgusting attacks HRC (and Bill) have in store for us.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
Hillbots from planet Zorcon-5.
Jeezus what reality do you people live in?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
AdmNaismith
But HIllary just won Pa, a historically Republican state. come November it will more than likely choose a Republican over any Democrat, same with Texas. I don't have a crystal ball but winning a primary in a Republican state isn't a good enough reason to promote Hillary as being able to win the state in a GE.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
This fight for the Democratic Nominee has gotten so bloody dirty that I doubt if the Party will be able to unify once the General Election begins. The tenor of this entire race has gotten out of hand, both in what Hillary (and her campaign) says and within the Party members themselves.
"Bitterness" does not adequately describe the tone left from this race and makes me wonder what on earth the Democratic Party will look like come January of next year. The division between those who are behind Clinton VS those backing Obama is great, greater than a Party head or candidate can "fix". This is going to make for one long and ugly divide... .
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Polly_Tics, I agree that there is a lot of bitterness, but I don't see it as solely a result of Clinton supporters. If you look back several months even just in this blog, there has been a LOT of nasty, unnecessary vitriol coming from Obama supporters as well.
Both sides can find enough to reasonably blame the other in this, and that's part of the problem. It's become Red Sox versus Yankees, and fans of one team HATE not just the team, but the fans of the other team, with a passion.
And that's what Clinton versus Obama has become, and many of us share some blame in that. Disagreement with a candidate's platform or tactics is one thing, but many Clinton-haters have gone far beyond that in their criticisms of Clinton, and that alienates a large segment of people.
I don't think I need to go over the reasons Obama supporters don't like Clinton or her supporters, as that seems to be a central theme of this blog over the past few months. :-)
So we can point fingers at each other all we like, or we can start to treat people we disagree with with a bit more dignity and compassion.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
The Near-Triumph Of Rovism The past is receding; but the future has yet to be born. This is hard labor. Necessary labor. But the direction of this country is clear, it seems to me. And heartening. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
The Clinton campaign is like a running Python gag. You know,..how far can we take it?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
aquarius2 1 minute ago ================================ PA has been part of the Democratic stronghold for years now. It was way back in 88 (I think) when they went for a Republican.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Hiya Polly
I am thinking the same thing. I really don't think anyone will able to fix this.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
rugbyman 4 minutes ago =========================== Take your snotty comments and shove them straight up your rugby, man!
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
This last week has been one of those absences I referred to previously, Polly. :)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
aquarius2,
I know, it's a shame isn't it? I actually "hurt" tonight...this rift is deep.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Polly
oops! my bad.
Admnaismith
Sorry kiddo, best I get facts straight before I refute anyone's statements.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
AdmNaismith - tell me a state Obama has won that is a good GE prize?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
SINGING_TROLL 2 minutes ago 1 point This last week has been one of those absences I referred to previously, Polly. ========================================================
Hi Singing troll. I'm sorry, but I don't get your meaning here. What am I missing?
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
I was telling you last week how I missed you when you were gone.
Well, i haven't seen you for about a week.
Oh forget it... :)
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
Polly - try to find a site that is even and balanced. not just spewing the rhetoric you like to hear. this campaign is mild compared to previous long primaries. Wait until the REpubs get ahold of either of our candidates.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Aquarius2 =======================================
However you right about the actual tenor of PA, it is a VERY culturally conservative state and one that had Rick Santorum as one of their Senators until he was ousted just 2 years ago. So your take is right about the place, it's just that the Dem's seem to think they "need" that state to win an election.
The thing about Obama (or one of the things) is that he opened up other states as possibilities and actually helped to possibly redraw the map to winning for Dems.
Fat lot of good that will do this time IF the Hillary dolts steal this thing...
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Rugybyman, It is eveident from your comments that you don't know what the heck you are talking about here. Please, if you want Hillary, then celebrate, she won this state, but to begin to attempt to tell us how this campaign hasn't been disgraceful merely shows your own naivety.
Even the NY Times (which endorsed her) just wrote a nasty editorial about Hill's tactics.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
"even and balanced"
LOL I think he wants you to turn on FOXNEWS
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Singing Troll.
OHhhhh, I'm sorry...I'm the dolt!
Thank you, I haven't been around much lately. You're always so sweet to notice.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
Hillary try to steal the thing - really? how will she do that? you mean convince the super delegates that she is better. The super delegates that were founded in 1982 to help direct the party not rubber stamp the election! Read the charter - they we created to steer not follow. Get over the steal crap.....if he loses it will be because he lost and could not put her away.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
It's been a bad day all in all. The results tonight coupled with the fact that we sheltered a pregnant feral cat in our garage and fed her until she had her babies last night. She didn't seem to know what to do with them (all 7 of them!) and I tried to help by putting her in the temporary bed with them. That seemed to make sense and she began nursing them.
This morning I found she ate them all...
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
the NYT? really? they failed to mention that Obama ran negative ads and distorted the truth. I am far more educated on this process and campaign than most americans. The media has a narrative and it is to sell ads. do not believe anything you read from most papers. Did you happen to watch CNN tonight? They laughed at the hypocrisy of blaming Hillary. Oh you probably watch the Obama luv fest no MSNBC
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
In November, if 35% of Hillary Clinton voters defected to the GOP, Obama would still win Pennsylvania.
GOP Primary Results:
With 98% reporting: McCain 562,518 73% Paul 123,977 16% Huckabee 88,577 11%
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
rugbyman
Ah, excuse me but "rubber stamp". You mean that going along with the popular vote is "rubber stamping" ? Now that I just don't get. As far as the super delegates, they were created by the Dem party and in the future the Dems would do well to get rid of the whole thing. I think many people, both Obama and Clinton supporters, would not feel so damn angry if the super delegates would just be gone forever.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Rugbyman,
Frankly, I didn't know about these SUPER Delegates until this election and I don't think I am alone in this. AND the idea that there is some sort of group of individuals who have more to say about the nominee than the citizens that actually vote is disgraceful. It is simply disgusting that the Dems have created such a group so that they can override what the people actually want.
And in doing so, it is my intent to make damn sure that this thing is discussed at length AFTER the election. You see, you have to live with the election you have and AFTERWARDS you can review the things you don't like so that they may change.
UNLIKE those in the HIllary campaign who seem to want to change the rules as they go along....
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Polly
Aw geez, she ate them?
devis1
· 1 year ago
Oh that's so sad Polly. Sorry.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
devis1,
Thanks. yeah and creepy too.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Aquarius,
yes, she ate 3 of them late last night and I thought that maybe they were disabled or something, and once she began nursing the rest of the crew I thought all was well.
This morning when I went out to check on them and feed her she was simply CRAZY. She was hissing like wild at me and when I went over to the bed and saw what she had done, she took off and hid. She's crazy I guess, but it breaks my heart...
devis1
· 1 year ago
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM) 1,038,373 45.7% CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) 1,231,814 54.3% Going back down to single digit win!
I am hardly castigating anyone BECAUSE of the RULES that stand now, as I said I live by them and will try to change them AFTER the election. Perhaps you and your little friends should take note and try to play by the rules yourselves...
devis1
· 1 year ago
I don't berate many here, but go fuck yourself rugbyman.
devis1
· 1 year ago
And on that note, good nite abloggers. And remember Hillary CAN'T win.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
we are playing by the rules - do you know what they are? Neither candidate will meet the required number of delegates for the nomination - that is a fact. at that point you have a brokered convention or the super delegates decide....those are the rules. It seems to me that you asking for Hillary to just drop out when she has a legitimate chance of winning is you wanting the rules to change, not me
Filo
· 1 year ago
I have always been an anarchist which is why I want to gut the rukes right goddamned now.
--Hillary Clinton
shanobama
· 1 year ago
To say the superdels would overturn the popular vote, the lead in delegates of Obama, etc. Sure they could do that.
What I find interesting is this: The Obama campaign has done all the really hard work of registering new voters, getting the youth involved in the process and bringing thousand of people into play for the general election.
So why is it that with all these new Obama voters, there is STILL a larger percentage supporting Hillary that will turncoat to McCain in the general than the Obama supporters who are either new to the process or have been reinvigorated by his campaign? This makes no sense, but there it is.
Hope Obama wins and Hillary drops out in June, best case scenario, really. If Hillary somehow pulls it off, she will be taking advantage of all the hard work of the Obama campaign, and that means the whole of the grassroots Obama volunteers and supporters across the nation.
Filo
· 1 year ago
" a legitimate chance at winning"
I'm speechless. (sn)
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
devis - do you always tell people to fuck off when they know more about a situation than you do? maybe you need to read the rules and get educated....do you talk to your kids and family that way?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
rugbyman,
you make little sense and seem to elaborate on what you want to hear and not what you read. Please, if you want to celebrate your win this eve then why not go do so with your friends of like minds? I do not think that many here this evening will want to celebrate with you.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
OK, that last comment from Rugbyman to Devis1 was enough! Drop it you geek, it's obvious you don't know how to conduct yourself.
I suggest that we ALL ignore the little man called rugby. He's nothing more than a nasty troll looking for a fight.
Filo
· 1 year ago
Hillary LOST the insignificant state of Texas. Hillary was the only one on the ballot in Michigan. pfft
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
shanobama - you really think Obama has done all the hard work? I registered a lady in Texas that was 78 and had never voted and signed up to vote for Hillary. You are all so holier than thou....Only Obama does any good and all else are just fuckers. Know the rules people - The reason Hillary is still in it is b/c she can win and legally without any craziness. read your party rules on how a candidate is chosen.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
Yes, Obama has done the majority of the hard work in increasing the numbers of Democratic voters.
Hillary has a 5% chance to win. More Hillary supporters will turncoat to McCain if Obama is the nominee. More Hillary supporters think 'all else are just fuckers', so in the end they are going to vote for the biggest fucker of all just to prove the point.
Way to support the Democratic party, Hillary supporters. They dont care about the party rules, about fairplay, about loyalty. Unfortunately, the Republicans do.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
shanobama, I don't believe those numbers about hill voters going for McCain out of spite. Sure, they are acting pissy right now but hopefully they will stop and think a minute before they go and make that dumb a decision.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Has anyone noticed that Goggle is like a wikipedia rather than an up to date search engine? The articles are mostly a month or two old, nothing is current. I noticed this several times tonight when trying it get information. Like for instance, I am not sure that Obama cannot get to the required number of needed votes. Trying to get current information from Google is just mind numbing.
kipper
· 1 year ago
Thank you Rugbyman! I've been getting pounded on in here for the last couple of days for saying silly things like " it will be over WHEN HE or SHE wins!" Don't rain on their parade by telling them he wont have the 2025 either.... no, its just about the hype...errrr.. HOPE! , hope...
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
polly - where was your outrage over Devis tell me to fuck off? but my comment was just over the top? I want everyone on here to debate the issues at hand and discuss what happened. but go look at the previous posts, its like a clinton hate zone and i am fed up with it.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Aquarius, I haven't done much with google lately, sorry.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
rugbyman,
Sorry, but I didn't see devis tell you to fork off.
And if this place is so bad than please tell us why you want to stay? I don't understand your reasoning.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I don't know why obvious Clinton supporters come to this site. I mean it is pretty clear that most all the people here, not all, but a great number support Obama. What do you hope to gain by creating hostility? I support Obama and find no need to visit friendly Clinton sites, they have nothing that interests me.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
kipper - i was actually shut out of the discussion boards on this site. and guess what for? bad language? NO I posted a pro-clinton statement on the discussion board and that was just too much for this group to handle. so i was barred. the Obama cult scares the shit out of me. if only his supporters where as upstanding as he is. but thanks for the encouragement
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
I just broke my own suggestion.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
This sums up American politics.....
The Democratic-Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1792. It became the dominant political party until the 1820s, when it split into competing factions, one of which became the modern-day Democratic Party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republi...
devis1
· 1 year ago
My apologies to Abloggers and rugbyman. Your insensitive comments to Polly after she told of her very sad day really ticked me off.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
this place was once a great site. you could post views about various topics and ideas. but not anymore. it is our way or the highway. very republican like so i fight a little to save what once was a good site.
kipper
· 1 year ago
wait.. if we do not down all the kool aid, and fall in lock step, we are not welcome to read AMerica.blog.com? And this is still a wonderful blog, I LOVE Johns insight into things, BUT Hillary Clinton is not the enemy . What would all of you have done IF Senator Obama had not run this year>?
dindc
· 1 year ago
Let's see... SHE can't run HER campaign (unless it's in the red) and seems to have no concept of basic 'rithmetic when it comes to counting delegates, yet we're all supposed to trust HER, as the country is cascading into financial ruin.
Not convinced.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Nigel, I left the Democratic Party this past year and by the looks of "things" I don't think I will be revising my views anytime soon.
The Democratic Party at this time, is almost the same as the Republican Party, just minus the balls.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Devis, thank you! You just made me smile for the first time today.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
dindc - point taken. and if obama cant spend 3x the money hillary did and not win then he may not be good with finances either. and i will say it again so you all know my position....obama has an arithmetic problem too. he cant win either. do we all get that?
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
polly - sorry about the cat. i had a rabbit that did that. it was horrible. it made me want to get rid of the mom rabbit but she was my pet so we kept her. still it was hard to look at her the same way good night all
Filo
· 1 year ago
"and if obama cant spend 3x the money hillary did and not win then he may not be good with finances either."
Wow.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Rugby keeps saying Obama cannot win yet if you check the numbers out on this page, yes he can whereas it would be nearly impossible for Hillary to win.
The AP is really playing fast and loose with the truth, when you see their headlines, you would think this PA win changed everything but in reality 4-22 changed nothing. Hillary is still losing. This was supposed to be her state by at least 20 points. Hillary had Rendell, the Governor that speaks so highly of Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, she had the former President by her side, this state should have been a landslide for her.
Hillary someone wants to sing a song to you, who or whom you ask, why she calls the self the overweight, very self confident woman, the woman on the heavy side, the big and lovely lady, the big bone beauty ,the Queen sized singer, but Hillary I just call her the politically incorrect Fat Lady, can you hear her ,Hillary?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
You know, tonight's election is depressing, no doubt about it, but what is even more upsetting is the growing division within the Democratic Party.
And I blame Hillary Clinton for this division and for her intent on maintaining this leverage over the Democratic leadership.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Polly, the sooner this ends, the better chance we have to heal. If it goes all the way to the convention, we lose no matter the nominee. It will be too late and too divided to bring the party back together.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Luna,
Yes, I agree that this needs to end before we can heal (I speak like I'm still a member of the Dem party) but some of this might not mend. That is what is worrisome.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
I think it will Polly if everything looks on the up and up as far as how we got to the nominee. Anything look fishy and it's over. I'm confident Obama will win NC so it is up to Indiana. If they go for Obama, then maybe maybe maybe hillary will get the message and do the right thing. I'm not counting on it but I have hope. If the money dries up for her.....
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Luna, I am so hoping you are right about that!
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
I hope she has trouble raising money and can't keep going on. I fear tonight will help her generate funds to keep her in it. It's like she is living paycheck to paycheck (or primary to primary). Why people are still donating to her is beyond me. I thought we democrats were smarter than this.
dindc
· 1 year ago
Thanks, aquarius - The numbers don't add up for her to win.
On a more personal note, I did some calculations:
Should she be the nominee and win two terms, then exactly one-half of my life as a human being (and as an American citizen) will have passed under either a President Bush or a President Clinton. I would like to think that out of a population of 300 million, we, as a country, have a something more to offer.
Choices?
We are Wal-Marting ourselves into oblivion. Clear Channel Radio and big chain bookstores - Who needs to think; it's being done for us.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
dindc,
ahhh, another 50-ish personage. Greetings fellow traveler!
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
shanobama, Hillary is nothing more than a Republican posing as a Dem for her own reasons.
I do believe that at one point both she and her hubbie believed in the Democratic platform, but I think those days are loooooong gone. It's so clear that Hillary is a hard right winger that it's hard to understand how some just don't see it.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Lunastick, Yes, I know what you mean, I don't understand how some people are giving her more money when it's been clear how badly her campaign manages it. But she's not really a Dem any longer, really, that is just not an apt description on how she sees politics. so we Dems are still just that smart ; )
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Well there are still too damn many of them voting for her! I'm so disappointed to see a 200,000 vote margin for her tonight. Hopefully we can knock it back down here in NC in two weeks. Still, it shouldn't be up to us. Our primary should just be a formality already.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Lunastick,
Although I don't advocate it, I will not vote for Hillary come November if she is the nominee. I will write in an Obama vote as will my better half.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
I understand Polly. I have to consider going 3rd party if somehow hillary steals this thing. However to go to McCain like some hillbots are saying is just inexcusable.
dindc
· 1 year ago
@Polly - 48-ish, to be exact, but a sputnik all the same!
My biggest gripe about this evening was Terry McAuliffe blathering on and on and letting us all know (on MSNBC, I think) that Hill had won "all the states that matter."
That is insulting.
Living in DC, where we barely have a vote, and being originally from a really, really Red State, i.e., Oklahoma, I take great umbrage with the typical, myopic Democratic discounting of half the country when it comes to a national election.
The GOP doesn't do it, yet we all sit back wonder why they win and win and win...
And still, HER campaign calls Obama "elitist."
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Lunastick, I never could/would vote for McSame for ANY reason! I will, however write in Obama on my ballot if such a thing comes to pass.
I just do NOT understand how some , so called Democrats, could even consider voting for a Republican these days INSTEAD of a fellow Dem. That shows you just how far Hillary wants this divide to go. Make no mistake, Hillary has planned this division and is using it as a wedge and/or threat to the leadership to do as she wishes OR ELSE>
what a lovely candidate, eh?
shanobama
· 1 year ago
hey Luna and Polly, good points, both. I kept watching msnbc, and wading through all the real crap talking points there. It is o frustrating that if you are listening closely, you might get a real fact now and then, but the rest of the babble is just factiods, spin, partisan opinion. Lets add irrelevant comparisons, the current is Obama-the new Dukakis!-what is Hillary then? The next Bill? Dont they know how much the RW hates the Clintons?
Then Keith and Rachel trying to bring some sanity to this babble of conversations, christ, Matthews talks just like McCain-changing his position every other sound bite. Obama has done incredibly well considering the media choice of talking heads. It started with the debate, Hillary and the moderators ambushing Obama, and will continue on into November. Push back is called for!
I live in Arizona, so am in the minority in daily life with the McCain and Hill support here. Just would like to have the facts about this primary that Obama is WINNING, in both delegate count and popular vote.
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Rachel is a gem shanobama. Only her and Chuck Todd really get the info out about hillary not being able to get the lead by convention time.+
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
dindc 0 minutes ago ==============================
ahhhh, I counted on Hillary having a 2 term run, thus that would make 28 years in that dynasty. You young thing you! It doesn't surprise me that her campaign is speaking about the only states that matter, heck that is how she speaks about EVERYTHING> YOu know, if she doesn't get a certain part of a coalition she says, oh they don't matter. If she loses a state, oh heck, they don't matter. Well frankly, I'm sick and tired of NOT MATTERING to Hillary and so should everyone! We are merely a way for her to achieve the power she craves, and once it's gotten, to hell with us all!
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Like I said earlier Polly, I think they are just being pissy because they thought their girl hill was inevitable and reality is biting them in the butt. The sooner it ends, the sooner they can get over it but if hillary is as rotten to the core as she appears, she may keep the bitterness going until it is too late. At that point I kinda hope she does become the nominee just so I can watch her get crushed......Okay, I'm not serious about that last part. I just want her gone from public life. All the Clintons. Go retire in the tropics and leave this country alone Billary!
shanobama
· 1 year ago
The Clintons are always there when they need you.
when they dont, ef' off. you dont matter.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
shanobama 4 minutes ago ==============================
Actually, I think everything has shifted alot and these days the HARD right has embraced Hillary for any number of reasons, so any comparisons should be noted. And yes, I was watching MSNBC tonight as well as CNN and was shocked to find MORE spin on MSNBC than CNN. Tom Brokaw was stunning in his spin and admiration for Hillary...and then let's not even get started on Buchanan...
I was sickened and tempted not to watch again until Keith's show tomorrow.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Lunastick,
: )
While I share your distaste for the Clinton's, think again about them leaving politics anytime soon! Heck, I do believe that both Bill's and Hill's new larger than life NEGATIVE numbers WILL stay with them. Sure they will even out a bit, but I do think that they both damaged their rep's quite a bit thus far. So then, with that in mind, can you imagine what they will do in the next 2 months?
EGADS, I want my mommy!
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
The Clintons = Sugar in the gas tank.
see y'all around.....
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Well I am going to try to go back to bed. The race, such as it is, goes on. Here's hoping the hillary campaign goes broke before May 6 :) nite-nite
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
I was just sitting here, listening to Clinton using all the code words with her white audience in claiming "victory" ("you people", etc.)...what a disgusting display. Then she cites her bona fides, including "civil rights" and Chelsea growing up as seeing race as not an issue...oh, disgusting opportunist.
If she steals this nomination, I won't vote this fall.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Just now, I got this missive from the Obama campaign: =================================================================== Barbara --
Votes are still being counted in Pennsylvania, but one thing is already clear.
In a state where we trailed by more than 25 points just a couple weeks ago, you helped close the gap to a slimmer margin than most thought possible.
Thanks to your support, with just 9 contests remaining, we've won more delegates, more votes, and twice as many contests.
We hold a commanding position, but there are two crucial contests coming up -- voters will head to the polls in North Carolina and Indiana in exactly two weeks. And we're already building our organization in the other remaining states.
But it's clear the attacks are going to continue, and we're going to continue fighting a two-front battle against John McCain and Hillary Clinton.
I need your support right now. Please make a donation of $25:
Thank you for all that you're doing to change our country.
Barack
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Night night Lunastick!
~Sleep sweetly~
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Older and Wiser,
I WILL vote, but I will vote for Obama. I think a write in does what I want most, make a note of my objection without giving my vote to the Republicans.
dindc
· 1 year ago
Frankly, with this illegal, insane and immoral war, not to mention this effed-up economy, there is no reason why our party should trash-heap the Red States when it comes to this election. I have watched, with great joy, the purplization of Virginia in the last five years. It can happen.
With Swillary's thinking that certain states matter and the rest don't, we are bound to lose this election in November. Frank Church was from Idaho. Does anyone remember that? George McGovern was from South Dakota. Does anyone remember that??
Are we, as a party, still that scared of Reagan? Well, he is dead.
Last time I checked, people are hurting in every state, Blue and Red. If we follow the Clinton Approach about states that "matter", then we deserve to lose.
As I type this, Mr. McInsane is waltzing about the country trying to be, albeit clumsily, inclusive.
Instead, we are bickering about what states count.
Absolute insanity - A punched ticket to Defeat.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Obama giving another great speech, talking about the ISSUES...attacking RETHUGS, not Clinton, but being positive about his (and our) chances.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Dindc, Right about how we are all hurting, be we red or blue and yet the Republicans have such a great grasp of the English language. They know HOW to use words to their advantage and even though the Dem's are as smart (if not much smarter) the Dems just don't seem to have the understanding to grasp the merits of a well placed adjective.
And yes, McSame is getting such a free ride in all of this and don't think this isn't part of the deal. I am firmly convinced that the Clinton's are in cahoots with the right in much of this. They are leveraging the power against the Dems to get what they want and if they do, don't think they won't help pay the right wing back for their help in all of this.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Well, time to get into bed, but before I go I want to repost the email I just got from the Obama campaign.
Votes are still being counted in Pennsylvania, but one thing is already clear.
In a state where we trailed by more than 25 points just a couple weeks ago, you helped close the gap to a slimmer margin than most thought possible.
Thanks to your support, with just 9 contests remaining, we've won more delegates, more votes, and twice as many contests.
We hold a commanding position, but there are two crucial contests coming up -- voters will head to the polls in North Carolina and Indiana in exactly two weeks. And we're already building our organization in the other remaining states.
But it's clear the attacks are going to continue, and we're going to continue fighting a two-front battle against John McCain and Hillary Clinton.
I need your support right now. Please make a donation of $25:
Thank you for all that you're doing to change our country.
Barack
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Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Night, night folks, may you all sleep well!
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
asmnaismith, you kinf of gut your own logic complaining about Obama with this statement:
"General Election (where they will vote for ANY white man over anyone else)"
Hillary, being a win at all costs or slash and burn type of person, is playing the Bush game, same thing as he did in 2000. Ignore the actualities, get enough people to CLAIM something and declare yourself the winner...if enough people pick up on it...
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Russert just said Rethugs are releasing an ad in NC which will aid Clinton--will mention something about the 2 Dem candidates for gov endorsing Obama...playing the racist card for her.
I must praise Obama for his leadership. Apparently last week he was leading by example when he was campaigning for McCain. I suppose he thought Hillary would follow his example and start campaigning for him at her rallies. But as it turns out a "win IS a win". The contest goes on, America is better for it,. The only downside is having to listen to people whine about Hillary refusing to quit. I know you folks will blast me, but Hillary is keeping things honest. She is making sure all democrats are heard. Obama will probably eventually be the nominee, BUT, Obama must earn it all the way to Denver. There will be no coronation for her or him!
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Hello fireblazes.
Hillary is keeping things honest? How?
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Hillary honest? No, I expect a stolen nomination from her, and a stolen election in Nov. by McCrazy.
Everything, the economy, our welfare, the dignity and honor of the US, all have been stolen by the elites, and they will keep on stealing.
Smarmy
· 1 year ago
Read the NYT article this morning calling for the superdelegates to end this long travesty of a primary season now. Eveybody (but PA) is getting sick and disgusted with Hillary and her underhandedness and meanness of spirit. Too much in-fighting and being doctrinaire. Why should this mean old hen even be considered worthy for president? She's not. She's not even worthy to be dog catcher.
I can't prove it, but I smell a republican hand in this mess.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton=Liebercrat
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Firebrand,
what the heck happened in PA? Looks like Hillary has a 9.5% victory. Obama made a heck of a comeback, but not enough to slay the dragon. :-(
P.S. Anyone who uses "honest" and "Clinton" in the same sentence is bonkers! :-)
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Nigel:
Estimates on the margin of victory range from 8.6 to 9.4 percent. There were lots of problems with e-voting. Check this out
Well, the good news is that Obama has $42 million in cash; Clinton only about $2.5 million in cash and a shitload of debt.
But--the MSM keeps repeating that Clinton "won" TX, among other lies; another is that Clinton won by "double digits" in PA. When they break down the demographics, though, it's pretty obvious that Clinton's subtle but racially charged message to white amerika is coming through. Despicable.
"I'd love to help you pick out the curtains"-Hillary to Cindy McCain after McCombover wins with her help
Your_Uncle_Bastard
· 1 year ago
As he has done in every state...
UNTRUE. He hasn't done SHIT in Michigan. And spare me all your whining about how we don't count - the voters didn't put themselves in the ridiculous position of having a meaningless primary, the candidates and the state party did. Piss on all of 'em!
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
You know, today I was driving around in my semi-tractor trailer rig trying to figure out why Hillary and her supporters keep on going. I occurs to me looking at the demographics that most of her support is from women, people of the baby boom generation and the silent generation. Thats when I realized why. We refuse to be told what we are going to do and how we are going to do it by young people our children's ages and a bunch of wealthy people with too much time on their hands. So what it comes down to is stubborness, if you want to play you have to follow our rule. I just cannot wait for Obama to go more negative. Roll out the Clinton scandals, destroy the Clinton legacy. Then when Obama gets the nomination what successful democratic Presidency is he going to refer to? Carter? Bring it Obama, I do not think he has it in him.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
I stopped logging on after all the anti clinton stuff. so i came back to rub it in a little bit. Good to see things dont change and you all cry "Hillary sucks." I think all the bitter people (obama supporters) have just realized their candidate is human and can be beaten regularly. WOW. Go read the last four posts on this site. It is funny. How sad you all have become the Dobson's of the Democratic party
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
Polly come lately - if you did not know about the super delegates that is nobodies fault but your own. If she wins by the rules then she wins. your candidate will not meet the threshold for nomination no matter how hard he tries. he does not have the delegates. so no one wins...which means the party will decide. not you.
All Comments
Obama is wrong. The race has changed. Clinton is a warmongering Republican and he must understand this. Otherwise, like the GOP, she will slime and attack him until McCain is sworn in.
Besides- the longer she stays in, the more voters come out to the polls. That translates into a bigger win for us in Nov (whoever is on the ticket) and a margin the GOP cannot steal away.
I thought the whole point of re-jiggering the Primary Calendar was so that ALL the states got to vote...I hope they both have to run in every state and territory.
Jeezus what reality do you people live in?
But HIllary just won Pa, a historically Republican state. come November it will more than likely choose a Republican over any Democrat, same with Texas. I don't have a crystal ball but winning a primary in a Republican state isn't a good enough reason to promote Hillary as being able to win the state in a GE.
"Bitterness" does not adequately describe the tone left from this race and makes me wonder what on earth the Democratic Party will look like come January of next year. The division between those who are behind Clinton VS those backing Obama is great, greater than a Party head or candidate can "fix". This is going to make for one long and ugly divide...
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Both sides can find enough to reasonably blame the other in this, and that's part of the problem. It's become Red Sox versus Yankees, and fans of one team HATE not just the team, but the fans of the other team, with a passion.
And that's what Clinton versus Obama has become, and many of us share some blame in that. Disagreement with a candidate's platform or tactics is one thing, but many Clinton-haters have gone far beyond that in their criticisms of Clinton, and that alienates a large segment of people.
I don't think I need to go over the reasons Obama supporters don't like Clinton or her supporters, as that seems to be a central theme of this blog over the past few months. :-)
So we can point fingers at each other all we like, or we can start to treat people we disagree with with a bit more dignity and compassion.
The past is receding; but the future has yet to be born. This is hard labor. Necessary labor. But the direction of this country is clear, it seems to me. And heartening.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
You know,..how far can we take it?
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PA has been part of the Democratic stronghold for years now. It was way back in 88 (I think) when they went for a Republican.
I am thinking the same thing. I really don't think anyone will able to fix this.
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Take your snotty comments and shove them straight up your rugby, man!
:)
I know, it's a shame isn't it? I actually "hurt" tonight...this rift is deep.
oops! my bad.
Admnaismith
Sorry kiddo, best I get facts straight before I refute anyone's statements.
This last week has been one of those absences I referred to previously, Polly.
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Hi Singing troll. I'm sorry, but I don't get your meaning here. What am I missing?
Well, i haven't seen you for about a week.
Oh forget it...
:)
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However you right about the actual tenor of PA, it is a VERY culturally conservative state and one that had Rick Santorum as one of their Senators until he was ousted just 2 years ago. So your take is right about the place, it's just that the Dem's seem to think they "need" that state to win an election.
The thing about Obama (or one of the things) is that he opened up other states as possibilities and actually helped to possibly redraw the map to winning for Dems.
Fat lot of good that will do this time IF the Hillary dolts steal this thing...
It is eveident from your comments that you don't know what the heck you are talking about here. Please, if you want Hillary, then celebrate, she won this state, but to begin to attempt to tell us how this campaign hasn't been disgraceful merely shows your own naivety.
Even the NY Times (which endorsed her) just wrote a nasty editorial about Hill's tactics.
LOL
I think he wants you to turn on FOXNEWS
OHhhhh, I'm sorry...I'm the dolt!
Thank you, I haven't been around much lately. You're always so sweet to notice.
This morning I found she ate them all...
GOP Primary Results:
With 98% reporting:
McCain 562,518 73%
Paul 123,977 16%
Huckabee 88,577 11%
Ah, excuse me but "rubber stamp". You mean that going along with the popular vote is "rubber stamping" ? Now that I just don't get. As far as the super delegates, they were created by the Dem party and in the future the Dems would do well to get rid of the whole thing. I think many people, both Obama and Clinton supporters, would not feel so damn angry if the super delegates would just be gone forever.
Frankly, I didn't know about these SUPER Delegates until this election and I don't think I am alone in this. AND the idea that there is some sort of group of individuals who have more to say about the nominee than the citizens that actually vote is disgraceful. It is simply disgusting that the Dems have created such a group so that they can override what the people actually want.
And in doing so, it is my intent to make damn sure that this thing is discussed at length AFTER the election. You see, you have to live with the election you have and AFTERWARDS you can review the things you don't like so that they may change.
UNLIKE those in the HIllary campaign who seem to want to change the rules as they go along....
Aw geez, she ate them?
Thanks. yeah and creepy too.
yes, she ate 3 of them late last night and I thought that maybe they were disabled or something, and once she began nursing the rest of the crew I thought all was well.
This morning when I went out to check on them and feed her she was simply CRAZY. She was hissing like wild at me and when I went over to the bed and saw what she had done, she took off and hid. She's crazy I guess, but it breaks my heart...
1,038,373 45.7%
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
1,231,814 54.3%
Going back down to single digit win!
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/Election...
I am hardly castigating anyone BECAUSE of the RULES that stand now, as I said I live by them and will try to change them AFTER the election. Perhaps you and your little friends should take note and try to play by the rules yourselves...
--Hillary Clinton
What I find interesting is this: The Obama campaign has done all the really hard work of registering new voters, getting the youth involved in the process and bringing thousand of people into play for the general election.
So why is it that with all these new Obama voters, there is STILL a larger percentage supporting Hillary that will turncoat to McCain in the general than the Obama supporters who are either new to the process or have been reinvigorated by his campaign? This makes no sense, but there it is.
Hope Obama wins and Hillary drops out in June, best case scenario, really.
If Hillary somehow pulls it off, she will be taking advantage of all the hard work of the Obama campaign, and that means the whole of the grassroots Obama volunteers and supporters across the nation.
I'm speechless. (sn)
you make little sense and seem to elaborate on what you want to hear and not what you read. Please, if you want to celebrate your win this eve then why not go do so with your friends of like minds? I do not think that many here this evening will want to celebrate with you.
I suggest that we ALL ignore the little man called rugby. He's nothing more than a nasty troll looking for a fight.
pfft
Know the rules people - The reason Hillary is still in it is b/c she can win and legally without any craziness. read your party rules on how a candidate is chosen.
Hillary has a 5% chance to win. More Hillary supporters will turncoat to McCain if Obama is the nominee. More Hillary supporters think 'all else are just fuckers', so in the end they are going to vote for the biggest fucker of all just to prove the point.
Way to support the Democratic party, Hillary supporters. They dont care about the party rules, about fairplay, about loyalty. Unfortunately, the Republicans do.
I want everyone on here to debate the issues at hand and discuss what happened. but go look at the previous posts, its like a clinton hate zone and i am fed up with it.
I haven't done much with google lately, sorry.
Sorry, but I didn't see devis tell you to fork off.
And if this place is so bad than please tell us why you want to stay? I don't understand your reasoning.
The Democratic-Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1792. It became the dominant political party until the 1820s, when it split into competing factions, one of which became the modern-day Democratic Party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republi...
Not convinced.
I left the Democratic Party this past year and by the looks of "things" I don't think I will be revising my views anytime soon.
The Democratic Party at this time, is almost the same as the Republican Party, just minus the balls.
good night all
Wow.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
This was supposed to be her state by at least 20 points. Hillary had Rendell, the Governor that speaks so highly of Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, she had the former President by her side, this state should have been a landslide for her.
Hillary someone wants to sing a song to you, who or whom you ask, why she calls the self the overweight, very self confident woman, the woman on the heavy side, the big and lovely lady, the big bone beauty ,the Queen sized singer, but Hillary I just call her the politically incorrect Fat Lady, can you hear her ,Hillary?
And I blame Hillary Clinton for this division and for her intent on maintaining this leverage over the Democratic leadership.
Yes, I agree that this needs to end before we can heal (I speak like I'm still a member of the Dem party) but some of this might not mend. That is what is worrisome.
I am so hoping you are right about that!
On a more personal note, I did some calculations:
Should she be the nominee and win two terms, then exactly one-half of my life as a human being (and as an American citizen) will have passed under either a President Bush or a President Clinton. I would like to think that out of a population of 300 million, we, as a country, have a something more to offer.
Choices?
We are Wal-Marting ourselves into oblivion. Clear Channel Radio and big chain bookstores - Who needs to think; it's being done for us.
ahhh, another 50-ish personage. Greetings fellow traveler!
Hillary is nothing more than a Republican posing as a Dem for her own reasons.
I do believe that at one point both she and her hubbie believed in the Democratic platform, but I think those days are loooooong gone. It's so clear that Hillary is a hard right winger that it's hard to understand how some just don't see it.
Yes, I know what you mean, I don't understand how some people are giving her more money when it's been clear how badly her campaign manages it. But she's not really a Dem any longer, really, that is just not an apt description on how she sees politics. so we Dems are still just that smart
; )
Although I don't advocate it, I will not vote for Hillary come November if she is the nominee. I will write in an Obama vote as will my better half.
My biggest gripe about this evening was Terry McAuliffe blathering on and on and letting us all know (on MSNBC, I think) that Hill had won "all the states that matter."
That is insulting.
Living in DC, where we barely have a vote, and being originally from a really, really Red State, i.e., Oklahoma, I take great umbrage with the typical, myopic Democratic discounting of half the country when it comes to a national election.
The GOP doesn't do it, yet we all sit back wonder why they win and win and win...
And still, HER campaign calls Obama "elitist."
I never could/would vote for McSame for ANY reason! I will, however write in Obama on my ballot if such a thing comes to pass.
I just do NOT understand how some , so called Democrats, could even consider voting for a Republican these days INSTEAD of a fellow Dem. That shows you just how far Hillary wants this divide to go. Make no mistake, Hillary has planned this division and is using it as a wedge and/or threat to the leadership to do as she wishes OR ELSE>
what a lovely candidate, eh?
Then Keith and Rachel trying to bring some sanity to this babble of conversations, christ, Matthews talks just like McCain-changing his position every other sound bite. Obama has done incredibly well considering the media choice of talking heads. It started with the debate, Hillary and the moderators ambushing Obama, and will continue on into November. Push back is called for!
I live in Arizona, so am in the minority in daily life with the McCain and Hill support here. Just would like to have the facts about this primary that Obama is WINNING, in both delegate count and popular vote.
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ahhhh, I counted on Hillary having a 2 term run, thus that would make 28 years in that dynasty. You young thing you! It doesn't surprise me that her campaign is speaking about the only states that matter, heck that is how she speaks about EVERYTHING> YOu know, if she doesn't get a certain part of a coalition she says, oh they don't matter. If she loses a state, oh heck, they don't matter. Well frankly, I'm sick and tired of NOT MATTERING to Hillary and so should everyone! We are merely a way for her to achieve the power she craves, and once it's gotten, to hell with us all!
when they dont, ef' off. you dont matter.
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Actually, I think everything has shifted alot and these days the HARD right has embraced Hillary for any number of reasons, so any comparisons should be noted. And yes, I was watching MSNBC tonight as well as CNN and was shocked to find MORE spin on MSNBC than CNN. Tom Brokaw was stunning in his spin and admiration for Hillary...and then let's not even get started on Buchanan...
I was sickened and tempted not to watch again until Keith's show tomorrow.
: )
While I share your distaste for the Clinton's, think again about them leaving politics anytime soon! Heck, I do believe that both Bill's and Hill's new larger than life NEGATIVE numbers WILL stay with them. Sure they will even out a bit, but I do think that they both damaged their rep's quite a bit thus far. So then, with that in mind, can you imagine what they will do in the next 2 months?
EGADS, I want my mommy!
see y'all around.....
nite-nite
If she steals this nomination, I won't vote this fall.
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Barbara --
Votes are still being counted in Pennsylvania, but one thing is already clear.
In a state where we trailed by more than 25 points just a couple weeks ago, you helped close the gap to a slimmer margin than most thought possible.
Thanks to your support, with just 9 contests remaining, we've won more delegates, more votes, and twice as many contests.
We hold a commanding position, but there are two crucial contests coming up -- voters will head to the polls in North Carolina and Indiana in exactly two weeks. And we're already building our organization in the other remaining states.
But it's clear the attacks are going to continue, and we're going to continue fighting a two-front battle against John McCain and Hillary Clinton.
I need your support right now. Please make a donation of $25:
https://donate.barackobama.com/whatthismeans
Thank you for all that you're doing to change our country.
Barack
~Sleep sweetly~
I WILL vote, but I will vote for Obama. I think a write in does what I want most, make a note of my objection without giving my vote to the Republicans.
With Swillary's thinking that certain states matter and the rest don't, we are bound to lose this election in November. Frank Church was from Idaho. Does anyone remember that? George McGovern was from South Dakota. Does anyone remember that??
Are we, as a party, still that scared of Reagan? Well, he is dead.
Last time I checked, people are hurting in every state, Blue and Red. If we follow the Clinton Approach about states that "matter", then we deserve to lose.
As I type this, Mr. McInsane is waltzing about the country trying to be, albeit clumsily, inclusive.
Instead, we are bickering about what states count.
Absolute insanity - A punched ticket to Defeat.
Right about how we are all hurting, be we red or blue and yet the Republicans have such a great grasp of the English language. They know HOW to use words to their advantage and even though the Dem's are as smart (if not much smarter) the Dems just don't seem to have the understanding to grasp the merits of a well placed adjective.
And yes, McSame is getting such a free ride in all of this and don't think this isn't part of the deal. I am firmly convinced that the Clinton's are in cahoots with the right in much of this. They are leveraging the power against the Dems to get what they want and if they do, don't think they won't help pay the right wing back for their help in all of this.
Votes are still being counted in Pennsylvania, but one thing is already clear.
In a state where we trailed by more than 25 points just a couple weeks ago, you helped close the gap to a slimmer margin than most thought possible.
Thanks to your support, with just 9 contests remaining, we've won more delegates, more votes, and twice as many contests.
We hold a commanding position, but there are two crucial contests coming up -- voters will head to the polls in North Carolina and Indiana in exactly two weeks. And we're already building our organization in the other remaining states.
But it's clear the attacks are going to continue, and we're going to continue fighting a two-front battle against John McCain and Hillary Clinton.
I need your support right now. Please make a donation of $25:
https://donate.barackobama.com/whatthismeans
Thank you for all that you're doing to change our country.
Barack
.
"General Election (where they will vote for ANY white man over anyone else)"
Hillary, being a win at all costs or slash and burn type of person, is playing the Bush game, same thing as he did in 2000. Ignore the actualities, get enough people to CLAIM something and declare yourself the winner...if enough people pick up on it...
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) 1,234,547 = 54.3%
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us
Hillary is keeping things honest? How?
Everything, the economy, our welfare, the dignity and honor of the US, all have been stolen by the elites, and they will keep on stealing.
I can't prove it, but I smell a republican hand in this mess.
what the heck happened in PA? Looks like Hillary has a 9.5% victory. Obama made a heck of a comeback, but not enough to slay the dragon. :-(
P.S. Anyone who uses "honest" and "Clinton" in the same sentence is bonkers! :-)
Estimates on the margin of victory range from 8.6 to 9.4 percent. There were lots of problems with e-voting. Check this out
http://www.bradblog.com/
But--the MSM keeps repeating that Clinton "won" TX, among other lies; another is that Clinton won by "double digits" in PA. When they break down the demographics, though, it's pretty obvious that Clinton's subtle but racially charged message to white amerika is coming through. Despicable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed...
UNTRUE. He hasn't done SHIT in Michigan. And spare me all your whining about how we don't count - the voters didn't put themselves in the ridiculous position of having a meaningless primary, the candidates and the state party did. Piss on all of 'em!