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Instead of bashing unions, you oughta send them a thank-you note. Go watch Matewan if you'd like to see how marvelous the world without unions can be. Or don't. Continue the numbskull nitwittery they count on in boardrooms all across this country. But don't waste our time. And keep the Democratic gene pool pure by languishing with the GOP -- hey, how's Medicare treatin' you? (They love Medicare over in elephant world. Sarah even quoted Reagan on Medicare, though she's too stupid to have known it.)
And yeah, I used to know a top executive at GM. He said it takes 5 years to retool for new car designs. The top management, the ones getting outrageous money to run once good companies into the ground, are to blame. Lack of learning from the LAST oil crisis, combined with Republican tax incentives to buy huge SUV's, lack of foresight, ALL top management decisions caused the Auto industries failures.
Funny, Toyota is building cars in Tennessee and doing well-because they have integrity and produce a great product.
I truly believe most Republicans are a product of bad parenting. They simply weren't raised right, poor souls.
Exactly.
Next time he visits non-union Walmart for his shopping bargains, he might want to ask employees there if they are struggling economically.
My brother in law was laid off a year and half ago. He is a professional who's company moved and he spent over a year looking for a new position.
And we are not even in the hard hit states. But, jobs are tough to find for professionals as well as union or blue collar.
You are lucky to have your job but, if it leaves and you find yourself unemployed, I bet you change your tune fast when after a few months you are still looking for a position.
And I can still barely pay my bills. Because the management doesn't want to pay us what we are worth. With the same breath they claim that there's not enough money to pay us more than $16/hr, they turn around and say they get $12M bonuses! But somehow it's MY fault???
That stupid kid has no clue, like most Republicans.
He must HATE 8 hour days and 5 day work weeks. He must HATE paid vacations and health care plans. ALL of those exist SOLELY because of Liberalism and Unions.
Go read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" if you want an clear view of Conservatism's utopia.
If Liberalism and Unions didn't exist Americans would work 7 days a week, not less than 12 hours a day for $1 a week. And if they get injured on the job, they'd be fired and blackballed, unable to get work anywhere else.
Republicans HATE freedom and long for the slavery days of yore.
ROFL! Not sure if JW has any room for a flag pin with a badge of honor that huge.
Your "I keep on hearing" sentence probably should have a question mark at the end as it's declarative, but hey, it does emphasize your overall confusion.
Yes, union workers, who represent only 9 percent of the private workforce in the US currently, are quite obviously the ones responsible for the economic mess we're in. Damn us for wanting affordable healthcare and adequate wages. It's not the golden parachutes, outsourcing to China/India to maximize profits while hollowing out our domestic economy, or flawed business plan of the US car companies causing any of these problems.
That's great you're doing fine, and I'm glad to hear the people you know (I note you don't refer to them as friends, since I doubt you have many with the attitude you have) are doing well also. Unlike you, though, I do not wish ill on others. However, there are those out there who aren't doing that great in the current economy and I don't think calling blue collar workers lazy asses is going to solve anything. The workers I know are all proud of their jobs and love making the things they do. When was the last time you visited a steel plant, an auto plant, or a factory? People aren't laying around on cots sleeping, trust me.
I'd write some more, but, as a union member myself, I'm feeling pretty lazy. I gotta go eat a doughnut or something and take a nap and not work.
They spewed the same stuff, right up to the day we sent their work to India.
I'm in a union. I'm the first to admit they aren't perfect, and that they sometimes don't act in the best interest of their rank and file, but the benefits far, far outweight the negative aspects of it - and the stereotypes are tired cliches.
That's not the right tense, is it? They still do a lot of good. I'd like to see some modernization from the unions, but we still need them. And they can (and do) help management as well. In a union shop, it's the union that deals with the human relations issues. There are plenty of managers that are happy to have those issues out of their hands. Consider health care plans. The unions have much better bargaining power than the plants they work at. That's good for everyone.
And some that they couldn't. When your industry is failing because of your decisions, you don't deserve the three martini lunch and the private jet. But they took those things, anyway. My father railed against that crap. And he insisted on modernization. But what did he know? He was just an engineer. But he was right. Eventually, he got the chance to make decisions. But only after everything collapsed and he was the only one left.
*wink*
Sound bytes of yesteryear.
So JW, you can learn to live with others and lighten up, or become a bitter old fart like John McCain, the choice is yours.
Objectificationism, where every human being is an object and it's OK if millions of your fellow countrymen starve to death (even your own mom) as long as YOU are eating.
Where the government serves just one purpose, to keep workers enslaved to oppress them so they can't rise up against their corporate owners to try to achieve a better life for themselves.
It's your wife I really feel sorry for. I think it's sad when wives envy their friends who are widows. What a vast feeling of relief she'll have when she finally closes the lid on your coffin.
Hopefully, she's young enough that she can get herself a real man. You know, the kind that doesn't need that funny little pill to arouse his sub-standard member. (You realize, don't you, that all her friends know about what a dud you are in the bedroom.)
I know it seems odd, keeping old people alive - especially old people like you - but they do add to the economy. I'm sure you have a lot of Franklin Mint, and enjoy the Harriett Carter Catalog and such, don't you?
It used to be that we put old people - like you - in the county poorhouse, but that was just a drain. God knows you're depressing enough without having to deal with you in a rest home.
Much better that we give you some money to trot about with, so you can shop and such, and give the restaurants some early evening business.
A couple of weeks ago, here in midwestern 2004 Bush country after hurricane winds caused massive power outages, panicked Rethugs went batshit nuts looking for gas and food...it was shameful and pitiful. Like the cowards who entrapped America in the Iraq fiasco, the implied and self-described bravery and manliness of these clown camp capos is a mile wide but only a 1/8" deep.
After a summer made enjoyable by all the Cadillac SRX, Mercedes-Benz R500/ML500, Land Rover LR3 and Volvo XC90 owners sweating without AC, I'm also smiling at the economically implicit fear behind all the fascist, highish food chain bravado and echo chamber fueled hatred.
Amazing, isn't it, how fucking ignorant some of these twenty somethings can be.
Calm down post cross-dress up with a shot of earmarked Captn. Morgan...Levi got lucky with it and maybe you will too.
ever said.
Reagan, has only created this mess. And now they are, if they are half way
intelligent, hiding behind the couch of "liberal socialist bullshit" kind of
stuff they've picked up on Rush Limbaugh's show. The rest are not half way
intelligent and are just quoting Rush because it's cool in their milieu. But
arguing with these trolls is totally jejune.
Just wait. He could lose his job, get in a car accident, anything, lose his health insurance.
I am always amazed by these people who have never had any hard luck that was out of their control. And to have NO EMPATHY for people who have some hard luck in life. Just a dumb dick conservative.
"If you turn the clock back two or two and half weeks, you could make a plausible argument that if a couple of things go our way we will lose three to four Senate races," said one Republican strategist. "Now we will lose six to eight." Polling in most Senate races over the past 14 days has shown a five-point decline for the Republican candidate, the strategist said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
McCain won't garner 200 electoral votes and he'll lose the popular vote by double digits. Too many Republicans are going to stay home rather than make the effort to vote for a plurality default candidate they weren't that enthusiastic about in the first place. With undecided voters already trending toward Obama, McCain's 30 days of negative ads will only alienate the very voters he needs to attract to have any chance of winning. Why would McCain run negative ads that will only appeal to the core voters he already has locked-up? Is it simply the same bad judgement he's displayed since naming Sarah Palin as his VP runningmate, or does he simply have no other choice but to throw crap at Obama and hope some of it sticks? Frankly, I believe that negative ads will only drive more moderates and independents to Obama.
If I were in a candidates' debate, I too could look "cool as a cucumber, comfortable with her talking points and unrattled by anything that was thrown at [me]" if I simply ignored the moderator's questions and talked nonstop about something else. Maybe Broder is dating Kathleen Parker.
I mean yeah sure, the auto industry is laying people off because Ford and GM make horrible cars due to the high business taxes and union influence creating both overpaid and lazy workers.
From the precious Gov. Palin (wink, bllink,you betcha) on Sept 30, 2008
"We’ve gone through periods of our life here with paying out of pocket for health coverage until Todd and I both landed a couple of good union jobs," Palin explained to conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt. "Early on in our marriage, we didn’t have health insurance, and we had to either make the choice of paying out of pocket for catastrophic coverage or just crossing our fingers, hoping that nobody would get hurt, nobody would get sick."
Todd and Sarah -- another couple of overpaid, lazy union workers.
As far as kissing your ass. I don't touch dead meat unlike your idol Palin.
Pay for a Doctor
Physicians have among the highest earnings of any occupation. According to the Medical Group Management Association's Physician Compensation and Production Survey, median total compensation for physicians in 2002 varied by specialty, as shown in table 1 (below). Total compensation for physicians reflects the amount reported as direct compensation for tax purposes, plus all voluntary salary reductions. Salary, bonus and/or incentive payments, research stipends, honoraria, and distribution of profits were included in total compensation.
* Anesthesiology: $306,964
* Surgery, general: $255,438
* Obstetrics/gynecology: $233,061
* Psychiatry: $163,144
* Internal medicine: $155,530
* Pediatrics/adolescent medicine: $152,690
* Family practice (without obstetrics): $150,267
(This is from the Medical Group Management Association, Physician Compensation and Production Report, 2003, as reprinted in the Department of Labor's career outlook handbook.)
Also note that self-employed doctors who own or are part owners of their medical practice generally have higher median incomes than salaried physicians.
Also note that earnings vary according to number of years in practice, geographic region, hours worked, and skill, personality, and professional reputation
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_a...
The only other answer is they are shitty doctors.
You're like an unloved child who provokes a slap from an indifferent parent just for the attention. Really sad...I pity your family.
In a message dated 10/4/2008 11:28:20 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
writes:
was in the military or worked civil service.
In a message dated 10/4/2008 11:36:10 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
writes:
In a message dated 10/4/2008 11:50:12 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
writes:
Now granted, her patients were married to or the children of aerospace engineers, but engineers are engineers--the mindset (in stone) is the same.
If so, then he's dependent on taxpayers for his paycheck and he's insulated from global competition (unlike all those lazy union workers).
Bussie, you maverick, you!!!
Bible Spice probably just wants a discount on bathroom fixtures.
Certain parts of the service industry without unions are trying their damnedest to get rid of all benefits for workers and while increasing the work load and working hours.
Nothing is perfect, not even unions, but for the average working American unions have made the work place more receptive to employees needs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCg8cmmQ6hE
I'm a bit older than you, JW, so I'm going to give you some advice. Don't write about the mechanics of job creation and loss when you have no understanding of the greater economic forces that influence those decisions, have never met anyone whom those decisions impact, and don't have much experience with the rest of the working world outside your area. One more thing, if you have attended college, you are privileged. I don't care if you worked your way through it with no help from anyone (as I did). The mere fact that you got to go makes you privileged. You might try approaching the world with a little bit of nobless oblige and a lot less hubris. It will go a long way towards keeping you from looking like a snotty little brat.
Look at what the fruits of demagoguery are," Moe said. "When any individual or group tries to pick up a target of opportunity to blame social problems on..."
Ooh, apropos truth hurts and so does my liberalmaker until you relax and start to crave my violent thrusts.
As for your lovely comment below, I don't believe my husband has ever strip searched anyone. We have this little thing called TECHNOLOGY that can see all the way through to your bones. But if he did want to get it somewhere else, he'd just have to run it by me first so I could do a background check. I'm good like that. 16 years in, he's felt no need.
For the record, nothing you say to or about me will cause me any distress. I see people like you all the time, angry, self-absorbed, ignorant, and asking to be held to a different standard than everyone else when it comes to how they are expected to behave. It's sad, really, but at least you've found a way to amuse yourself for the time being. On the internet....brought to you by government AND academic researchers. That ought to be enough to make your wee head explode.
Math only works if you can do it, too. Minimum wage is $7.50 per hour. Six times that would be $45 per hour. Since I said that I don't make even $35 an hour, you are, to put it in words you understand, wrong.
If there's any poetic justice his job will be on the chopping block during the next downturn and his corporate-loving privileged playpen worldview will be smashed open by reality.
It will be wonderful when his job gets outsourced to a Chinese or Indian firm and he ends up taking a lower paying job. It will be wonderful as he becomes older and a more expensive employee to watch him laid off in a reorganization with younger employees replacing him. I will heartily laugh when he is old, bitter and working as a greeter at WalMart or SAMS.
First the bone fides: computer engineer, graduate student and republican (sic). Knows "probably a couple of hundred people" and none "unemployed or really struggling".
Alright then, how many of those people are from work? From his apartment complex? From the bars he goes to? How large (or small) is the place where he lives? And how many of those people does he actually have conversations with? Converstations where they would actually tell him something about themselves?
Second, the faulty logic of the following: the auto industry, because of high business taxes and union influences, the latter creates lazy workers, makes horrible cars thus requiring lay offs of those same lazy workers.
Maybe it's me, but I would imagine that any engineer, computer or other type, would be acquainted with logic and there just isn't any in that entire sentence.
Assuming that JW is what he says, a computer engineer and graduate student, I suggest he immediately start using the internet and find out for himself (a possible misconception, could be a female troll) just how much in taxes the automakers actually pay. He/she can get to us after that.
Now "Busboy":
"...worked in union shop one summer..." Where? "...they threatened to kill me..." And like a good, upstanding citizen you paid extortioners? Why didn't you quit?
"Listen, dipwad,...it was a net $4500/month to our income...", 12X4500 = 54,000. And that was a "net" addition; ie, after taxes. Perhaps the IRS would like to speak with you? Scam does sound about right.
"Oh yeah, the guy that worked 28 years and never saved a dime..." There speaks the average 25-year-old. No children, never (yet) unemployed, but willing to pass judgement on someone else.
"I've run into your husband many times...". Paging Sen. Craig, you have a caller in stall 4.
Puerile, both of 'em.
.the 'new' business model makes money for the paper pushers and deal makers but is a loss for the US economy in general.
Yea, and it's funny how you embody that very point. Being smart about computers doesn't mean you aren't ignorant about a great many other things. . . and you obviously sound proud of your ignorance because you spew it like a child talking about Santa Clause.
I'm an unemployed American as a result of the Bush Economy. I'm not lazy. i work my ass off.
Stop dealing with the organized crime based unions and hire hard working people. At least the illegal immigrants coming into this country want to work for a living (not collect union wages or welfare.) . . ."
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Spoken like a true uncaring republican. It is everyone else's fault and it is your own damned fault you can not afford to be in school like himself or of no fault of your own, losing your job to foreign countries because your republican boss wants a bigger projit margin.
This person doesn't have a clue how many heads were bashed in when the common man fought for the right to have unions representing them. Before that, the common day was about twelve hours, with dismal conditions, no vacations and if you are injured on the job or had to miss out because you became ill, you were immediately fired and replaced by someone else. Leave, it to the unsympathetic republicans such as this person to blame others. Just because he doesn't hang out in groups where hard luck has hit the common man, is not a reason for him to assume everyone is as fortunate as he.
You couldn't trust anything anyone says about themselves on the internet before and you certainly can't trust anything now.
You're a computer engineer? Prove it. Let me see your paystub. You're a graduate student? Prove it. Let me see a copy of your degrees.
I'll bet anyone $100 that 75% of every "republican" post and email on the internet is created by an operative who made up stuff about themselves to give them more authority.
"My son died in Iraq"
"I'm a student of economics"
"I'm in the military"
"I'm in a small town"
You can't believe any of it anymore. . . . from anyone you can't verify. You can only take what they say on it's own merits and deal with it on that level.
On it's own merits this guy is a moron. . not a computer engineer.
Unfortunately, this sort of rigid thinking is pretty common for engineers, which is why I went back to school and became a graphic designer. Now I'm at grad school, just like JW...only my program values critical thinking, and functional literacy.
In any event, I know a couple of hundred people and none of them are JW...so I guess he doesn't exist.
Busbot is NOT a troll. He's a fake.
Like Gary Ruppert over as SadlyNo!
Busbot is someone PRETENDING to be a Republican idiot just to see how many people he can fool into believing he's really such a huge idiot. AND I FELL FOR IT!
Good one Busbot, ya got me. I know now that you are really a fellow liberal exaggerating the ridiculous hypocrisy that one has to believe in to be a Republican.
For a graduate student, your English needs improvement. You have a lot to learn. Empathy for others is one . Get back to us in 20 years and let's see where you're at then.
Conservatism is a character flaw.