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AMERICAblog: A speech delivered forty years ago tonight in Indianapolis

  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    Goodness. It has been awhile since I have heard this speech. I remember it but hearing it all over again I find mydelf in tears.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    forty years...seems like forever.
  • Rich · 1 year ago
    Thanks for posting this. RFK was courageous, reckless and a bit self-centered in this speech but it was a speech and a gesture that no subsequent politician has been able to carry off. When I heard/read about Bush's "boldness", etc. all I could think of was RFK and what real boldness looked like. Sadly, in '68, the Dems nominated Humphrey, who'd put his manhood in a blind trust (much like Bush, Sr). In '72, they nominated McGovern, who ran a horrible campaign (and, btw, was no liberal on civil rights). And so it has gone.....

    RFK had many flaws--his McCarthyite past, his homophobia, his ability to carry a grudge, but he and his older brother evolved in ways that no subsequent politicians have. Sadly, the New Deal coalition died with him and no one today even comes close to the promise that he epitomized.
  • Ksue · 1 year ago
    Makes me cry. As do most memories of that fateful year, 1968.

    I was too young to actually contribute to the various movements back then, but not too young to remember, realize and FEEL what was going on. I was devastated by the resultant death and destruction throughout that summer and fall.
  • SarainKC · 1 year ago
    I was too young to understand this tragedy. Only after I became curious about the JFK assassination did I learn about MLK and RFK . Watching this very short clip left me crying. By myself. For all of us. As a white woman, I have no idea what it must be like to experience prejudice and irrational hatred toward me, but I know it existed, and my own older relatives contributed to it. Not because they were hateful or ignorant, but because that was the way it was. It was culturally accepted. Obama is showing a new generation that we can no longer cling to a past that has divided us by race or by gender. Although I am not gay, I have been reading this blog for a couple years now because I love the political insight of the bloggers and everyone who contributes in the comments. I know you wonder about the level of sincerity in your own quest for equality and have concerns. I ask that you apply a bit more patience. It is happening, although not as fast as you want, of course. The impact Obama has already had on the race issue is astounding, given the thousands who died (or were assassinated) trying to bridge the racial differences. It is coming. Barack is opening eyes and hearts. Help him help all of us.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Senator Obama: 'I am going to use my campaign and the way I run it as a way to demonstrate to you and to the country what kind of a manager I am.'
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/4/194634/9...
  • SarainKC · 1 year ago
    Nigel, thanks for the link. I agree. Hillary and McCain have both demonstrated they have poor judgement in hiring key staff and a staggering inability for oversight. Had either one of them checked in with their surrogates, they may not have fallen so deeply in debt. It's the type of tunnel vision we have been subjected to this past 7 years to horrific results.
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    Hillary is bouncing checks all over PA
  • theWalrus · 1 year ago
    John McCain was subjected to 5 ½ years of Soviet driven "brain perversion techniques." He could snap at any moment.
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    Obama cuts into Hillary's Superdelegage lead.
    She now leads by ONLY 30!

    I hope more SD's get more sense, and put an end to this awful
    campaign. Hillary is too power hungry to do the right thing for
    the Democratic party, and it's members.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-supe...
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    That should be Superdelegate.
  • SarainKC · 1 year ago
    OK, let's feast on this widely: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/4/145233/7...
  • BuddyNovinski · 1 year ago
    I think that that impromptu speech is what made RFK great. It was more than the Gettysburg Address because it was impromptu. I know that this country would have gone a different direction had Sihan Bishra Sirhan -- who is still breathing -- missed. We have gone downhill, not just with Nixon, but the successors down to Schrub. This country took a heavy shift to the right, particularly since Ronald Reagan became a god. I only hope that this election will finally put us back on track out of the right gutter of the road.
  • SarainKC · 1 year ago
    Alfred, Google the Bilderberg Group. It;s complicated, but you will understand what has been going on and worse, what the plan is - unless we stop it. Knowledge is power, my friend :)
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    Sirhan Sirhan was just another patsy. Like Oswald and Ray.
  • AngelaChanning · 1 year ago
    It sends shivers down my spine when I hear the screams of people hearing this news for the first time. How profoundly sad.
  • j davis · 1 year ago
    The video leaves out the most important part of RFK's speech: "Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world."
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    JFK, MLK and RFK all got whacked by the CIA
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    1968 was a tough year for America.

    MLK and RFK were assassinated.

    The Vietnam War was raging.

    The Chicago Convention riots.

    The whole world was watching.
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    Another Clinton fundraiser with suspicious dealings.
    With all that money, does she really need these shady characters
    to help her raise funds?

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/32613.html
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    "does she really need these shady characters to help her raise funds? "

    Yes.
  • ccokz · 1 year ago
    http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008/04/goethe-unde...

    ways into past

    scientists make laser waves show accoustic waves from the past
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    whoa
  • My Favorite Iguana · 1 year ago
    There is still a small monument in Indianapolis on the site of the speech. As a former resident if the city, I came across it in a park on the west side of downtown Indy. Kennedy's speech was a small ray of hope in an otherwise senseless tragedy... We owe a great deal to MLK.
  • Jackie · 1 year ago
    I was almost 13 when MLK and RFK were assassinated. I bought the record Abraham, Martin and John by Dion. It still effects me when I hear this song. My son - 27 - came across this song via YouTube via "whatever" and I caught him re-playing it when I came in the room. I shared my memories of that time and how much that song effected me. It was the first "rock and roll" song I made my dad listen to. He was (is still at 90) a HUGE JFK fan and the song brought tears to his eyes. I don't think until he heard that song that he began to understand how 1968 effected so many people. I guess he thought that at my age, I wasn't aware. That song started many dialogs between him and me. I was the oldest child so he hadn't realized how many of my friends had older brothers in Vietnam and that 1968 was the beginning of my political awareness and how it's effected my life and my voting to this day.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    I'm glad I was too young to be aware of things back then.

    Can you imagine a losing MLK and RFK and ending up with Nixon as president?

    Biggest political bummer of my life so far has been Bush's reelection.
  • bernarda · 1 year ago
    I don't know why people still celebrate RFK. He was a two-faced opportunist. He hesitated long before entering the presidential race on an anti-war platform. He only did so after seeing real anti-war Sen Eugene McCarthy's success in months of campaigning. So he promptly used his name recognition to steal McCarthy's thunder.

    But most notoriously, RFK is the guy who launched the FBI wiretapping and surveillance on MLK.

    "October 10, 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy committed what is widely viewed as one of the most ignominious acts in modern American history: he authorized the Federal Bureau of Investigation to begin wiretapping the telephones of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. Kennedy believed that one of King's closest advisers was a top-level member of the American Communist Party, and that King had repeatedly misled Administration officials about his ongoing close ties with the man. Kennedy acted reluctantly, and his order remained secret until May of 1968, just a few weeks after King's assassination and a few days before Kennedy's own. But the FBI onslaught against King that followed Kennedy's authorization remains notorious, and the stains on the reputations of everyone involved are indelible. "

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200207/garrow

    So here he is hypocritically honoring MLK.
  • Rich · 1 year ago
    Bernarda obviously knows zip about RFK and needs to read Evan Thomas' biography which is a comprehensive, non-hagiographic review of the man's life. He was many things, but not some cheap opportunist.
  • BuddyNovinski · 1 year ago
    I researched my first masters paper under GeorgeWallace and his consituency back in 1981-2. If RFK had been an opportunist, he'd have gone into the race earlier in the year. It was his very name regonition that kept him from opposing Lyndon Johnson. When Eugene McCarthy proved that the Democratic Party was deeply divided over the war in Vietnam, it caused intense pressure on RFK to jump in. No one knew it until New Hampshire on 12 March that the Tet Offensive back on 30 January had caused public opinon to shift one fifth of the electorate against the war. The Republicans were not so divided, so Richard Nixon was able to fudge the issue. Had the Democrats stayed united, Nixon would have lost in 1968. However, many New Deal Democrats stayed home on election day, some helped George Wallace get the ten million votes he received for president, and one million wasted their votes on McCarthy, who waited until the last moment to endorse Hubert Humphrey.

    J Edgar Hoover pushed for the surveillance of Martin Luther King. Dallas provided a great distraction from ending that surveillance. If anything, it proved Hoover was wrong about King's being a Communist. In these reactionary times, the epithet "liberal" or even the undefined "ultraliberal" serves the same inane purpose. It took Hoover over two years to wear RFK down to get his surveillance. Hoover would not have lasted a day in an RFK administration.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    RFK was a true visionary. He was a statesman everyone could be proud of
  • bernarda · 1 year ago
    Yeah, in fact, RFK was worse than an opportunist. I see that the basic facts are not challenged, only some like to put a whitewash interpretation on them. Considering other of the two Kennedys' policy, that hardly seems justified. I will get to that in a moment.

    Alfred writes, "No one knew it until New Hampshire on 12 March that the Tet Offensive back on 30 January had caused public opinon to shift one fifth of the electorate against the war." So, as I indicated, RFK waited while someone else tested the waters. Of course, no opportunism there, is there? As I remember, Eugene McCarthy had made maybe his first speech against the war in the preceding October.

    Now, back to other Kennedy policies. There is their terrorist campaign against Cuba called Operation Mongoose.

    " Kennedy was aware that allies "think that we're slightly demented" on the subject of Cuba, a perception that persists to the present.

    Kennedy implemented a crushing embargo that could scarcely be endured by a small country that had become a "virtual colony" of the US in the sixty years following its "liberation" from Spain. He also ordered an intensification of the terrorist campaign: "He asked his brother, Attorney-General Robert Kennedy, to lead the top-level interagency group that oversaw Operation Mongoose, a program of paramilitary operations, economic warfare, and sabotage he launched in late 1961 to visit the 'terrors of the earth' on Fidel Castro and, more prosaically, to topple him." "

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1027/noam_choms...

    "Operation Mongoose was "the centerpiece of American policy toward Cuba from late 1961 until the onset of the 1962 missile crisis," Mark White reports, the program on which the Kennedy brothers "came to pin their hopes." Robert Kennedy informed the CIA that the Cuban problem carries "the top priority in the United States Government -- all else is secondary -- no time, no effort, or manpower is to be spared" in the effort to overthrow the Castro regime."

    - Yeah, that RFK sure was a statesman we can all be proud of. LOL.
  • whomod · 1 year ago
    Back to the campaign. Now I saw this speech

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6hF1nGHbgY

    on the news yesterday and couldn't help remembering this is the same Hillary Clinton who sought to minimize MLK
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ikowGJj8pg

    So i'm wonderign when is this going to be brought up? Obama did a good job of responding to Clinton's diss of MLK
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5r8EPbyLN0

    but to me the other day's maudlin overwrought reaction from Clinton felt rehearsed, fake, and smacked of more opportunism from her campaign. I'd love it if Jed could splice a video together.
  • angryafrican · 1 year ago
    We must keep the dreams alive. My daughter made me realize that we have hope. I never noticed it before. It has been there for a while. This picture of Martin Luther King Jr on our fridge door. I hardly look at the fridge door, but there it was. Amongst all the fridge magnets and numbers and pictures of the kids. But what made me stop was that the picture was of a white Martin Luther King Jr. My young daughter made this great man white. And I couldn’t be prouder. I think he would be proud. I know she will continue to live his dream. http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/16/martin-luthe...
  • BuddyNovinski · 1 year ago
    No one is excusing the ridiculous policy against Castro. Dwight David Eisenhower left that mess, along with Berlin, Laos, and Vietnam to the next administration. We cannot judge the past by the present. At that time, any Communist regime (including Ho Chi Minh's) was considered part of the monolith, and the domino theory which meant that the Communists will take over the world. I remember it well from the history book I had in 1968. However, both Kennedys learned from the mistake of the Bay of Pigs, something which passed Schrub. Therefore, the Cuban Missle Crisis in October 1962 did not lead to World War III.

    At the time of late 1967, the pressure was on for RFK to take on LBJ in 1968, and not wait for 1972. In October, and especially 30 November 1967, it looked as if we were going to win the war. General William Westmoreland had just spoken of the "light at the end of the tunnel" on Tuesday, 21 November. Any clash between LBJ and RFK meant that RFK would cost the Democrats the election. Therefore, he was -- as Bill Mauldin drew -- Hamlet. Recall that RFK's speech against the war in the Senate on Thursday, 2 March 1967 -- after his clash with LBJ in the Oval Office on Monday, 6 February -- called for a bombing halt if Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong would negotiate an end to the war.

    Finally, MLK was not a major part of the Kennedy interest until 1963. Only then, when the Kennedys listened to MLK and his group, did they turn their attention to civil rights. The Supreme Court under Earl Warren did the heavy lifting until the executive branch took charge. There's no whitewashing here. Human beings make mistakes. Only gods like Ronald Reagan receive worship. I'd rather a human being anytime, which is why I'd rather Matthew Wayne Shepard as my friend, then the saint buried within a few blocks from my home.