AMERICAblog: Americans blame the GOP for the economic problems
justadood
· 1 year ago
The GOP didn't forget--they just assumed you and I were too stupid to connect them to it once things went to hell. And, for us *not* to, we'd have to be not one, but BOTH neurons short of a synapse.
I'm less concerned about Liberals/Progressives doing the wrong thing in the face of the Collapse and the bankers trying to stuff their pockets before being forced into early retirement....I'm concerned that Conservatives (you know, the God, Guns, and Gays nutjobs) might start shooting the bankers, just as a 'share the misery' program---they took our money, now it's our turn....
Shannon
· 1 year ago
Not a bad idea......
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm already seeing what you are describing with the "God, Guns and Gays" nut jobs. I have some in my family. They have been war profiteers in Iraq and are already blaming this on "government handouts" to the poor. I was like, "Wha----????" then realized, "Oh yeah, they know deep down its their fault but, as usual, logic does not enter into their thinking. Its always the homeless (usually a veteran), poor, gays and minorities that caused this otherwise their narcissistic personalities would take a big hit, and you know that won't happen! Can you imagine Barbara Bu$h looking into a mirror and asking, "My God, what have I wrought?" LOL - - not in several lifetimes, huh?
This clause is IN THE BAILOUT BILL!!! BushCo is trying to use this crisis as a means of GAINING MORE POWER over our money with LESS oversight and regulation by Congress and the courts! And NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS!!! Chris, John, SOMEONE - PLEASE PLEASE make this story your first priority!!!
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
"Here's the thing about Americans. You can send their kids off by the thousands to get their balls blown off in foreign lands for no reason at all, saddle them with billions in debt year after congressional year while they spend their winters cheerfully watching game shows and football, pull the rug out from under their mortgages, and leave them living off their credit cards and their Wal-Mart salaries while you move their jobs to China and Bangalore.
"And none of it matters, so long as you remember a few months before Election Day to offer them a two-bit caricature culled from some cutting-room-floor episode of Roseanne as part of your presidential ticket. And if she's a good enough likeness of a loudmouthed Middle American archetype, as Sarah Palin is, John Q. Public will drop his giant sized bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the sizzlin' picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else's, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because that image on TV reminds him of the mean brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning.
"Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States. As a representative of our political system, she's a new low in reptilian villainy, the ultimate cynical masterwork of puppeteers like Karl Rove. But more than that, she is a horrifying symbol of how little we ask for in return for the total surrender of our political power. Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV – and this country is going to eat her up, cheering every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation."
DavidinChelseaMA
· 1 year ago
And here's the thing about such perfectly cutting critiques: Even though true in this case, the right wing will rally their base with it because they'll use this as an example of how we progressives "hate America," because of the way Middle America is described here.
I understand the anger at the ignorance of so many people who choose to vote against their own self-interest, but there is a right way and a wrong way to go about getting some of these people to vote smartly.
Denigrating them is never going to help, or we've learned NOTHING from the Rove years. Fox will use this as a way to tell their audience that they are VICTIMS. That's all Fox does, really. They frame conservatives as victims to get them to vote the way they want them to, and articles like the one you quoted just give them more ammunition.
Rab
· 1 year ago
No, this critique is the TRUTH, if sheep can't understand that or don't want to understand it then our country will fail. These things need to be said, I don't hesitate to tell any of the dumbasses out there how ruined their country is thanks to them. At this point they can eat shit, we are in a freefall and they need to be told the way it is.
DavidinChelseaMA
· 1 year ago
Telling them that they are crazy to vote against their own self-interest makes a world of sense. Telling them they SUCK does not. It is self-defeating, ultimately.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Okay, they don't suck. (Uh, yes they do...) LOL - I'm sorry.
Seriously, you have a great point. We have to someone learn to bring them over. Maybe we should have political literacy classes? LOL... kidding - again.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I think you have a good point, "DavidinChelseaMA"
Although, I love the article.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
"The poll also indicates more Americans think Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, would do a better job handling an economic crisis than McCain, the Republican presidential nominee."
Republican translation: "If we want to win the election, we need to start a war with Russia. Maybe we can incite the Russians to attack Georgia by inciting Georgia to attack the Russians or incite the Russians to have 'wargames' in Venezuela by fomenting anti-government activities in Bolivia, which is aligned with Venezuela, who has treaties with Russia."
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering just how ignorant we in the US can be, a movie about volcanoes is not being shown in some IMAX theaters in the South as the IMAX people are afraid that the few words that mention evolution may offend the Fundementalists. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4... )
If these people prevail, get ready for McCain to win the election and the fall of the US as a democratic republic.
luvboxer
· 1 year ago
OBAMA NEEDS TO DO AN AD ON THIS!!! THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES ON THIS MESS!! HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YET!!!
WHYN0T
· 1 year ago
Why do blogs such as this wait until after the fact to react to situations that were obviously in the making years ago? If the newsmedia had been doing thier jobs years ago, perhaps enough Americans would have rallied around the fact that their economy was heading straight off a cliff and forced Congress to put the brakes on the situation that was causing it.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
Yeah, it's the blogs fault (snark).
Seriously, anyone with a brain knew that this was coming. Sadly, most in the US are ignorant slobs. They want a president who they feel confortable with while downing brews. Oh, Americans rallying around an issue? Not without leadership. Remember after 9/11, the we were told to help the country by going shopping, and there were even shopping bag printed that had patriotic themes. That was the extent of our 'rallying' to the biggest attack (costwise) on US soil ever. We suck.
WHYN0T
· 1 year ago
I became interested in finance and the stock market about 5 years ago and subscribed to a daily financial email. It was warning of the dangers lurking ahead and I'd relate this to friends who thought I was nuts. For the majority of Americans, if they don't hear about it on CNN/Fox or in their daily newspaper, it just ain't true. But, that's the way our government likes it. Propaganda!!! Americans are too lazy to seek out alternate news sources and if you dare post something from an alternate news source here, John will ban you.
Rab
· 1 year ago
John will ban it? You can't be serious .... it was on the web before anyone in the papers wrote about it. The sheep didn't want to hear about it. There was talk as far back as 10 years about easy money, loose credit, where have you been? A majority of the sheep didn't want to hear it, they put the shrub in office.
WHYN0T
· 1 year ago
"Americans are too lazy to seek out alternate news sources and if you dare post something from an alternate news source here, John will ban you."
I was referring to alternate news in general. Not the financial crisis. I speak from experience about being banned. I won't elaborate.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Well, you are back aren't you? The alternate news source links are welcome as long as they don't become abusive. If you continuously post the same links over and over that are not relevent to the discussion at hand then that is abuse. I'm not saying that is what you did, but I know that has been a problem in the past. Even if one is upset about the potential of 9-11 conspiracies, you have to realize you won't change a damned thing by continuously posting links to an alternate news site. One thing to remember is that if this government was involved in 9-11 then they were involved in other criminal activity. Have FAITH that eventually there will be a tipping point. Don't just concentrate on one angle of attack! Get them where you see their most obvious and glaring weakness. Right now, its the economy. Get their asses out of office so people can start digging into what they have done in secret. I'm sure Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and friends are wetting their beds right now. Things aren't looking too good for them. I'm with those who want to see them frog marched uut of the White House and to Leavenworth.
WHYN0T
· 1 year ago
If you say I'm back, I guess I am.
It had nothing to do with 9/11 and it wasn't anything I posted repetitiously..
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm a moderator on this blog, and John does not have an agenda to ban people. You are being way paranoid on this subject. Granted, solely concentrating on 9-11 conspiracy theories is not really welcome because this blog wants to discuss other issues. There are plenty of blogs that deal with 9-11 but if we got too deep on the conspiracies then we'd never be able to discuss the here and now. I am one who thinks we don't have all the answers to 9-11 and I welcome news about how our government might have been involved, BUT (AND THIS IS A BIG BUT) I move along because I know the only way we can make a different is appeal to those in the real world to VOTE THE DAMNED CROOKS OUT so we can get to the bottom of a plethora of possible criminal activity. Until we get the other party out of office then we will never know what they did in the dark of night regarding our economy, FISA and other ways they tried to subvert our constitution.
We do not CENSOR on this site, though! The only time posts get removed is when they become abusive or way beyond the bounds of decency. If you have a problem with that, then I'm sorry. Anyone who wants to concentrate on 9-11 conspiracy theories can start their own blog, and I'll be happy to read your work but don't complain about a political blog not concentrating on 9-11 or economic conpiracy theories. Yes, it can become abusive for one to continuously place a link to an alternative news source, as well. If people like it, they will go there, favorite it and return. Continuously placing a link on someone else's blog when it doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion is abusive as well.
I guess what I'm trying to say is calm down. This blog does not censor. Your views are welcome.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Uh, Progressives blogs, like Americablog, were WAYYYYYY ahead of the curve. You're attacking the wrong media. You need to redirect your anger at the go along, happy talking Bu$hco supporting cable tee vee media! Save it for Mrs. Alan Greenspan.
If you are talking about Michelle Malkin's blog, Little Green Footballs or the other conservative blogs then you might have a point.
LeeFromHamburgNY
· 1 year ago
It seems that average Americans are starting to wake up and realize what the Repubs have done for us over the last two terms...
I am amazed at the stupidity of the american people. I was watching our local news last night and the had Palin on was in Media PA. All this idiot did was go after Barack...no ideas on how to fix our problems just bashing before the moron McCain came on stage..what amazed me was the crowd yelling Palin. This woman is a complete idiot and people are just wowed by her. Doesn't matter her views on anything. Wake are these idiots going to wake up.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm tired of polls asking which candidate would do a better job handling a crisis of this magnitude. How about asking WHAT TEAM would do a better job handling a crisis of that magnitude???!!! Does the President get locked in an isolation tank and have to singlehandedly come up with solutions to the crisis? I'm tired of the whole celebrity fest personality driven idea that ONE PERSON will save us. There are TWO CAMPS and people are clueing in by blaming the one DEREGULATION FREE FOR ALL camp - Republicans for this mess. The very idea that one of the candidates would have to solve the problem with ZERO help from his team of advisors is just ignorant. When you vote for President you are voting for a whole group of people that are going to make hugely important decisions regarding everything from the economy to who you have the freedom to marry, whether or not you have the freedom to serve in the armed services, or what freedoms you have with your body in consultation with your doctor. Only the ignorant and uneducated think the President solely makes all the decisions that affect them. The polls need to start asking, "What TEAM do you think will help fix this crisis? The Obama Administration or the Palin - McSame Administration?" Okay, they should say "McCain Administration" instead of "Palin-McSame" I just can't help myself... I've become so used to referring to the ticket as "Palin-McSame" I just automatically type it that way...
That being said, at least the American people are rightly seeing Republicans as the root of the problem 2 - 1.
Milli
· 1 year ago
Then why are the polls so close!? Obama packs them in, McCain can barely fill a school gym. It doesn't make sense.
luvboxer
· 1 year ago
GREAT NEWS!! CNN POLL 51% OF REGISTER VOTERS SAY THEY WILL BACK OBAMA...OBAMA NEEDS TO KEEP POUNDING A WAY AT MCCAIN..... YEAH OBAMA/BIDEN 2008
cmccbald
· 1 year ago
You say that "Americans blame the GOP for the economic problems," that "it's not even close" because "the GOP must have forgotten that they ran on the "deregulation" theme for decades, so of course that is what everyone remembers about them."
But you are wrong: Americans don't blame the GOP, and its "deregulation theme" is not what "everyone remembers."
First, ONLY "47 percent of registered voters questioned said Republicans are more responsible for the problems currently facing financial institutions and the stock market..."
Second, "24 percent said Democrats are more responsible (WTF?)..., "Twenty (20) percent blame both parties equally (WTF?) and 8 percent say neither party is to blame (WTF?)." That's 52 percent who do NOT blame the Republicans!
Therefore, by a 52-47 margin, the American people do not blame the GOP, its deregulation theme, or its Bush/Cheney/McCain Administration for the crisis.
And that is why John McCain and Sarah Palin may very well win the election.
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I'm less concerned about Liberals/Progressives doing the wrong thing in the face of the Collapse and the bankers trying to stuff their pockets before being forced into early retirement....I'm concerned that Conservatives (you know, the God, Guns, and Gays nutjobs) might start shooting the bankers, just as a 'share the misery' program---they took our money, now it's our turn....
http://jazz-from-hell.blogspot.com/2008/09/taib...
"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
This clause is IN THE BAILOUT BILL!!! BushCo is trying to use this crisis as a means of GAINING MORE POWER over our money with LESS oversight and regulation by Congress and the courts! And NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS!!! Chris, John, SOMEONE - PLEASE PLEASE make this story your first priority!!!
"And none of it matters, so long as you remember a few months before Election Day to offer them a two-bit caricature culled from some cutting-room-floor episode of Roseanne as part of your presidential ticket. And if she's a good enough likeness of a loudmouthed Middle American archetype, as Sarah Palin is, John Q. Public will drop his giant sized bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the sizzlin' picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else's, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because that image on TV reminds him of the mean brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning.
"Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States. As a representative of our political system, she's a new low in reptilian villainy, the ultimate cynical masterwork of puppeteers like Karl Rove. But more than that, she is a horrifying symbol of how little we ask for in return for the total surrender of our political power. Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV – and this country is going to eat her up, cheering every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation."
I understand the anger at the ignorance of so many people who choose to vote against their own self-interest, but there is a right way and a wrong way to go about getting some of these people to vote smartly.
Denigrating them is never going to help, or we've learned NOTHING from the Rove years. Fox will use this as a way to tell their audience that they are VICTIMS. That's all Fox does, really. They frame conservatives as victims to get them to vote the way they want them to, and articles like the one you quoted just give them more ammunition.
Seriously, you have a great point. We have to someone learn to bring them over. Maybe we should have political literacy classes? LOL... kidding - again.
Although, I love the article.
Republican translation: "If we want to win the election, we need to start a war with Russia. Maybe we can incite the Russians to attack Georgia by inciting Georgia to attack the Russians or incite the Russians to have 'wargames' in Venezuela by fomenting anti-government activities in Bolivia, which is aligned with Venezuela, who has treaties with Russia."
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering just how ignorant we in the US can be, a movie about volcanoes is not being shown in some IMAX theaters in the South as the IMAX people are afraid that the few words that mention evolution may offend the Fundementalists. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4... )
If these people prevail, get ready for McCain to win the election and the fall of the US as a democratic republic.
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YET!!!
Seriously, anyone with a brain knew that this was coming. Sadly, most in the US are ignorant slobs. They want a president who they feel confortable with while downing brews. Oh, Americans rallying around an issue? Not without leadership. Remember after 9/11, the we were told to help the country by going shopping, and there were even shopping bag printed that had patriotic themes. That was the extent of our 'rallying' to the biggest attack (costwise) on US soil ever. We suck.
I was referring to alternate news in general. Not the financial crisis. I speak from experience about being banned. I won't elaborate.
It had nothing to do with 9/11 and it wasn't anything I posted repetitiously..
We do not CENSOR on this site, though! The only time posts get removed is when they become abusive or way beyond the bounds of decency. If you have a problem with that, then I'm sorry. Anyone who wants to concentrate on 9-11 conspiracy theories can start their own blog, and I'll be happy to read your work but don't complain about a political blog not concentrating on 9-11 or economic conpiracy theories. Yes, it can become abusive for one to continuously place a link to an alternative news source, as well. If people like it, they will go there, favorite it and return. Continuously placing a link on someone else's blog when it doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion is abusive as well.
I guess what I'm trying to say is calm down. This blog does not censor. Your views are welcome.
If you are talking about Michelle Malkin's blog, Little Green Footballs or the other conservative blogs then you might have a point.
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/morrismap/?s=al&promo_c...
That being said, at least the American people are rightly seeing Republicans as the root of the problem 2 - 1.
YEAH OBAMA/BIDEN 2008
But you are wrong: Americans don't blame the GOP, and its "deregulation theme" is not what "everyone remembers."
First, ONLY "47 percent of registered voters questioned said Republicans are more responsible for the problems currently facing financial institutions and the stock market..."
Second, "24 percent said Democrats are more responsible (WTF?)..., "Twenty (20) percent blame both parties equally (WTF?) and 8 percent say neither party is to blame (WTF?)." That's 52 percent who do NOT blame the Republicans!
Therefore, by a 52-47 margin, the American people do not blame the GOP, its deregulation theme, or its Bush/Cheney/McCain Administration for the crisis.
And that is why John McCain and Sarah Palin may very well win the election.
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