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AMERICAblog: America's first transgender mayor

  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Well alright!
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    Is there anyone out there in the Gay community that think our "advocacy" groups should consist of: Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Lesbians? And if so. Could someone please make an argument how a "consistent" message can come from that organization? What? Be nice to everyone!!! How does a pre-op transgender persons health insurance issues impact me? And what exactly do bisexuals need from society? as the vast majority are on the down low.... If this Prop 8 disaster teaches us anything.. it is we need an advocacy group just for gay men... with a consistent message....
  • Jim Olson · 1 year ago
    Bunker, thank you.

    I've long said, (and long been excoriated) for suggesting that lumping G, L, B and T together on all advocacy issues does not always make sense. Certainly we should work for justice for all. But my issues are not always the same or compatible with issues that say a lesbian woman or transgendered man might find most important.
  • An_American_Karol · 1 year ago
    And what issue is it you have Lesbians do not?
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    About 75% more discrimination. Deep down you know that the "focus of hate" when people refer to the "Gays" most haters think of man/man sex. Two women kissing in public for most, no big deal, two men.... you get the picture.. All groups have their own unique needs and "P.R." problems. I just think it is time that Gay men had an exclusive national advocacy group. And at the minimum a national group w/o transgenders and bisexuals. Instead of fighting within our "groups" simply understand the world is not perfect, and filled with ignorant people who vote. But try to explain to that "majority" the legal/social, etc needs of a "Transgender, bisexual, pre-op, male" Eventually our "national" message gets beyond splintered...
  • Naked Bunny with a Whip · 1 year ago
    You really think the best way to get anything done is to splinter apart, waste resources, and make your organization so small and poor that it can be easily ignored?

    Think of it this way: the Democratic Party is often unfocused, too, which is why it has trouble winning elections. Do you think it would work better if the party split into smaller sub-parties, though? Or would that give the Republicans the permanent majority they want?
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    Political organizations are a different. I would LOVE to see the monetary contributions given by Trangender and Bisexuals to national GLBT groups. I would guarantee their message cost them a lot less then for gays and lesbians based on our contributions. Why is it that the NAACP does not also represent Hispanics? I mean they are both minorities and the combined cost/benefit under your theory seems like it would work.. ? So why don't they? "Splintered message"
  • Naked Bunny with a Whip · 1 year ago
    You admit you don't have any idea what the numbers are, then claim you can guarantee what the variance is based on...nothing. Fascinating. This is exactly how Republicans debate issues: they make emotional appeals based on nothing but their own biases. Therefore, there is no reason to continue this discussion because you have declared here your intention to stick to your conclusion without doing any damned research. Goodbye.
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    But for your argument to even come close to being true. You would have to believe that Bisexuals and Transgender people contribute more to national GLTB groups. I would feel quite comfortable that my argument over who gives more is sound. Oh and as usual when this topic is raised and is not put thru the "Political Correct filter" the easiest way to end the dialog is by name calling, ie invoke Republicans, "priceless"
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    Some bisexual must have burned you bad in the past. Either that, or you must be old, because bi-phobia in the gay community is SO 1970s and 1980s.

    There are bisexuals who only ever have same-sex partners. There are gay people who try to have a go at the straight world and get married. Better get specific about who gets excluded from your little advocacy club.

    As for Transgender, I'm not transgendered, I'm "gay" in the sense that I have a same-sex partner (technically I'm "bi").

    I'm one of those people who has never been discriminated against for having or wanting same-sex partners, but I HAVE been discriminated against (at work, yet) because of gender-nonconformity.

    So even if, for example, ENDA has passed, it would not have protected me unless it included "gender identity/expression."

    I'm not saying there's no argument for passing a limited ENDA ASAP and a trans-inclusive one as soon as possible after that, I'm just sayin' that they're a lot of fey gays and butch lesbians who would be left out in the cold unless they did.

    So, "radically different issues"? Not so much.
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    No.. 31yr old here. Never "burned" by a BiSexual. Yet your arguments ie "gender-nonconformity",. etc proves my point. You have your own unique issues, needs, that need 100% advocacy from a group that is 100% understanding of them. As the statement " I'm "gay" in the sense that I have a same-sex partner (technically I'm "bi")" would confuse most people. Meaning bisexuals are the very thing that the people who try to advocate for a "cure" gays say... It is a choice. As in you could have just as easily currently have a female partner.... Some advocacy overlap with gay men, most not....
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    I agree that bisexuals are used by jerks to argue that gay people can be "fixed."

    But that is not our fault. And arguing that I can't marry the person I love because I could "just as easily" fall for someone of the opposite sex (and it's really not that simple, actually) would be an excellent argument for arranged marriages.

    Why should someone marry the person they love, when they could just as easily fall for someone else?
    Why should we allow freedom of religion when all people person could "choose" to be Christians?

    "I can't help it" is a poor basis on which to build a civil rights argument. Because the haters just come back and compare you to an alcoholic say "you may not be able to control what you'd rather have, but you can control what you do."

    And then you're back to square one.
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    I 100% agree with your right to marry/love/enjoy life, etc etc etc... I am talking about "National Advocacy Groups" who have to form a message to those "jerks" as you call them. It is virtually impossible to do it with GLBT. Like it or not, we have to "explain" to the "jerks" who we are, what we want....etc etc. A "Clear Message"... Folks if the GLBT Groups were "working" and we were not losing everywhere I would not call for a change. But Prop 8 should be a wake up call... Just my view. Peace
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    So you who is the target of "70% more discrimination" would have been BETTER off without the lesbians on your side re: Prop 8?
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    Harper. Here is my point again. 4 groups attacking the issue from their own viewpoint with a "clear" message is better then 1 that is trying to advocate for 4 and ending up with a flawed message. I have 2 very close transgender friends, I 100% believe in their rights. But "advocacy" in this country is about a message for the masses.. Like it or not. So, please tell me. How do you form one "message" about this: Steve and Aaron want to marry, and Bill wants to surgically become a women and then marry John. Isn't the topic for Bill "Gender Identy then?" And once Bill is a Women, isn't it legal for her to marry John? And with legal "Gender Identity" are they now a Straight couple? And if so, how does Prop 8 effect her?
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    Some states recognize sex changes, some don't. For ones that do, yes, Bill(yjean) could marry John.
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    You'll have to ask the NAACP why they don't represent Latinos. I bet one of the answers is that Latinos aren't agitating to be represented by the NAACP. But I bet the NAACP wouldn't reject a Black person just because she was half Latino. But you want bisexuals kicked out of the queer advocacy club?

    And how are you defining "bisexual" anyway? Someone who's ever been with the opposite sex for whatever reason? Someone who yet might someday? Someone who could fall in love with either? (Would you exclude the Brokeback Mountain guys, because they had wives?)

    Gettin' pretty lonely in your Gay Purity country club, there.

    Transgender folks have paid dearly for their support of gay issues, because they are often more visible, and more viciously targeted. Don't ever play down their contribution to gay advocacy.

    I understand the legalistic argument that says gender identity/expression is unique from sexual orientation, but many fey gays and butch lesbians (and those perceived as such) get the same kind of shitty treatment that transfolk do, and that would not end with laws protecting only "gay mens' sexual orientation."
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    I am not advocating taking any right away from anyone. I am "advocating" a gay advocacy group. I think each group should have their own. As a "group" we are losing. And recently lost big. It is time to understand that the 4 groups in GLBT groups have just enough differences when it comes to an "advocacy message" that we all end up losing. We need clear messages. Period
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    Um, you really think Prop 8 would have gone down if bisexuals or transgenders were kicked out of "GLBT"?

    All Prop 8 targeted was "same sex marriages." You think it would have gone differently if there were a "gay men (who've never, ever had an opposite sex partner for any reason) only" advocacy group?

    Talk about deflecting the blame.
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    Not at all. But I have for years believed gay men should have their own Advocacy Group. Thats all.
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    Oh and PS. Because I have talked about this before. Perhaps you can answer a simple question for me: "As a gay man, how do I relate to a man who wants to become a women medically/surgically , to then have a relationship with a straight man"? And then when you are done with that, tell me what "rights" bisexuals are fighting for? dual marriage? Help me out here... What "Exactly" is it that bisexuals need an national advocacy group for? We end up with a national group representing; Women who love/have sex with women, Men who love/have sex with men, Men who love sex with men or women, Women who love sex with men or women, Men who want to be women to then love/have sex with a man or women, Women who want to be a man, to then love/have sex with a man or women, which I guess then some could be called transgender gays and lesbians. What happens if the man becomes a women, and then loves a straight man, are they a "straight" couple now? You end up with a national advocacy group that can never get a clear message out that represents all groups. If a California man becomes a women can she now marry a man legally in California? If you said yes, then how do I relate to that transgender person when it comes to the "national" fight about Prop 8?
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    Oh, for God's sake. I am a bisexual with a same-sex partner. The law should not apply to me the same as it does to you? I should be denied the right to marry just because I'm capable of having opposite-sex relationships?

    The CA supreme court ruling that allowed same-sex marriage was never about "gay" rights. It's about "equal" rights, and the right to not be discriminated against based on gender. In other words, the gender of one's partner should not factor in to the laws about marriage.
  • Harper · 1 year ago
    75% more discrimination? Really? Might want to re-check, for example, expulsions from the military. Lesbians are kicked out far more frequently, according to the June 23, 2008 NYT. Google it.

    People only think women kissing is hot if they're both fem. Butch lesbians? Think again.
  • RichieNJ · 1 year ago
    We are all different parts of the same minority group- and we must all stick together as we are all discriminated against together. There are many ways to look at this. For your health insurance issue, we are all in the same boat. The particulars of a transgendered may be different from a gay man or lesbian woman, but at the same time, health insurance issues also differ between the straight mentally handicapped male to the straight cancer stricken female -- should they not have the same health concerns? Back to the LGBT community, we are all fighting for the same, whether it be the gay HIV+ male, the lesbian couple who need help getting pregnant, or the bisexual who needs to find a doctor who will understand his or her most personal issues? I don't understand how you came to your conclusion that there needs to be a gay-only advocacy group for men. In my opinion your post is exclusive more than inclusive. When you get your gay men only consistent message, will you then break it down by race too? I also have never heard of our group putting women/lesbians last.. LGBT or GLBT, but I never hear GBTL. If straight society decided to chop us into separate groups before giving us full equality, I think only lesbians would get full equality as society is more more scared of gay men and transgendered.
  • green_libertarian · 1 year ago
    Oh god, not THIS again.
  • nineBLUEdaisies · 1 year ago
    Wow! That's awesome!

    The boyfriend and I were just having conversation along those lines with regards to a gay or lesbian president being elected in our lifetime. Glad to see that day has possibly gotten just a bit closer.
  • keineFurcht · 1 year ago
    Someone needs to tell GMA that Mayor Rasmussen should be referred to as "she" if they are going to interview her, and also that they need an ability for people to report and have removed the comments which refer to her as "it."
  • Bunker75 · 1 year ago
    Absolutely.
  • cmpnwtr · 1 year ago
    I live next door to Silverton. It's a fairly conservative small town that votes Repug. So it's peculiar that this should happen.
  • kempsternyc · 1 year ago
    Way to go Mayor Rasmussen.
  • MaudGonne · 1 year ago
    In the coming days, a string of protests are planned across California, as campaigners mount a robust PR war against the Utah-based church. Many will picket services tomorrow.

    "We should have got nasty a long time ago," said Mr Lindsey, who is originally from a Mormon family. "I'm not going to be polite any more, I'm not going to step around my belief that this is a nasty church with disgusting views which managed to buy an election. I don't care if it's people's religion. I'm going to stand up and fight it."

    Thursday's protest, which gridlocked traffic in Hollywood for the second consecutive day, was mostly disciplined, with police reporting two arrests. Seven people were detained at a demonstration on Wednesday.

    For the Mormon Church, it threatens a PR nightmare. The gay rights lobby boasts scores of prominent celebrity supporters who have already pledged vociferous support to the campaign to overturn Proposition 8.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...
  • MaudGonne · 1 year ago
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ballots...

    Uncounted ballots unlikely to reverse Proposition 8
    Even with 2.7 million outstanding ballots statewide -- some mail-in and some provisional -- the odds aren't in favor of beating out the gay-marriage ban's lead of more than half a million votes.

    6:11 PM PST, November 8, 2008

    ...Roughly 2.7 million ballots from Tuesday's election remained to be counted statewide as of late Friday, according to the California secretary of state's office.
  • MaudGonne · 1 year ago
    Much anger will also be directed at the "Mormon economy", which helped to finance the Proposition 8 campaign. That could have serious implications for acts such as Osmond, Knight and the Killers, who boast a strong gay following. Many have recently tried to play down their church's anti-gay stance.

    Flowers has said his religion is "very important" in his life, but told a recent interviewer that he took a liberal position on gay rights. Osmond opposes gay marriage, but claims on his website that this doesn't make him homophobic. "I do support our church leaders who say that we can accept those with gay tendencies in our church, as long as they do not act upon their temptations."

    Jim Key, a spokesman for the LA Gay and Lesbian Centre which organised last week's protest, said he hoped followers would distinguish between Mormon businesses that did not donate to Proposition 8 and those that did. "Our complaint is not against all Mormons," he said. "Many moderate members of the church did not support Proposition 8. Our issue is with the church's leadership, which ran a despicable campaign to deny us fundamental rights."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...
  • JohnSmith3 · 1 year ago
    It really shows how dissimilar areas in America can be in relation to the same debate, and not just between the bible belt areas and more 'liberal' states. I would have considered California to be one of the more progressive states and even Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger expressed hope that the California Supreme Court would overturn Proposition 8. Even Barrack who stated he considered marriage to be between a man and a woman, opposed the proposition. Backing from the LA and NY TImes as well as numerous Gay & Lesbian Charities clearly wasn't enough is this instance, but Rasmussen who got backing (financial and general) from the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund shows that steps are being made to adapt the usual government stance.
  • Xena858 · 1 year ago
    totally different issue. gay issues and the first transgender major. i consider myself a transgender male and find proposition 8 being mention irrelevant. rasmussen was not gay, it seems people keep forgetting this?
  • JohnSmith3 · 1 year ago
    I know that Rasmussen said “I identify mostly as a heterosexual male" But he was helped into office by the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a group that works to help openly lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people win elected office. They have brought transgender issues under their wing, for which i am sure Rasmussen is thankful.
  • Xena858 · 1 year ago
    You have no idea of the issues facing a transgender male, he probably only got voted in because people want to seem liberal these days. Its only skin deep though; a token gesture of how "accepting" America is.
  • JohnSmith3 · 1 year ago
    actually Rasmussen was elected twice in the 1990's, before his operation, and has almost 20 years as an elected official. So his popularity was clearly more to do with his liberal policies than his personal choices.
  • smallhandff · 1 year ago
    Last year, the City Manager of Largo, Fla, Steve Stanton, was fired from his job when he announced plans to undergo surgery. Silverton, Ore is one hell of a cool town.
  • JohnSmith3 · 1 year ago
    In an interview Russmusen stated that she has a t-shirt for those who were wondering (as she put it) “Why does Stu do that?” It reads simply: “Because girls have more fun. ”

    Although I would say that no media attention surrounding Stu Russmusen decision would be a definate sign of the change within American society, I still applaud the relatively positive media attention she has received.

    It seems progress is being made, particularly after the bill passed in Oregon in 2007 to give gay and lesbian people most of the benefits of marriage under state law and to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Not the first. I think Rudy Guiliani fits the definition though he doesn't live full time as a woman. But as a cross dresser, it is my understanding that he fits the definition of transgendered. Also, that would make New York City, one of the biggest cities in the world, and one of the "great" cities a pretty cool place. <g>
  • Older_Wiser · 1 year ago
    OK, I want people to think about this. Why is it so newsworthy that a man who cross-dresses ranks up there with say, world peace? After all, women have been cross-dressing for many, many years--Marlene Dietrich made a career out of it.

    Let's just say being considered a "sissy" or "girly" is a fate worse than death for men. Women who act or dress like men are seen as heroes, for chrissakes! Women are encouraged to be more like men--men are never encouraged to be more like women. One of the draws for the right about Palin was her ability to get out there and shoot animals--just like the boys--in a skirt and high heels, too.

    I'm always amused at gay men who try to be more "macho" than others...certainly lesbians aren't out here trying to be the most "feminine." Would there be a point?
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Actually he is transvestite/crossdresser, not transgender. He's a straight man who enjoys dressing in women's clothes... The last frontier?
  • Naked Bunny with a Whip · 1 year ago
    I can't tell from the article if she's a transvestite or transgender. One of my pets is transgender but would appear to be transvestite right now because she's pre-op and can't afford hormone therapy just yet. It takes awhile.
  • sherifffruitfly · 1 year ago
    Congratulations, Mayor-Elect Rasmussen.
  • JohnSmith3 · 1 year ago
    Congratulations.