very cryptic. And aimed directly in Hillary's direction. Some think Rahm will be one to have to tell Hillary it's over - along with some others that are picked. I do hope Indiana and NC do not let the party down and keep this thing going or Hillary more to feed her delusion.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
I assume he's not talking about anyone in the Entourage cast...
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
GrahamCrackerDC 4 minutes ago ----------------------------------------------------------
I guess we can count on your for a reasoned "fair and balanced" view of election outcomes, eh?
mf_roe
· 1 year ago
Clinton's new campaign slogan "Step to the back of the bus" will decide November.
"I guess we can count on your for a reasoned "fair and balanced" view of election outcomes, eh?"
Just my opinion. I'm convinced that if Obama becomes the candidate, the GOP will unleash a ferocious campaign to characterize him as radical, possibly Muslim, anti-American, and inexperienced. They'll use the the flag pin, Rev. Wright, his wife's thesis, Rezko, mysterious trip to Pakistan in college.
It'll be a swift-boating that makes Kerry's look like child's play.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
GrahamCrackerDC 40 minutes ago -----------------------------------------------------------------
"It'll be a swift-boating that makes Kerry's look like child's play." ======================================================
On this we agree!
Busboy
· 1 year ago
The superdelegates know that Obama can't win without Hillary's all -out campaign support. I don't think she has an altruistic streak in her body. If she loses she will probably pout and stay home.
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
The superdelegates know that Obama can't win without Hillary's all -out campaign support. I don't think she has an altruistic streak in her body. If she loses she will probably pout and stay home.
She may try this, but I'd give it two weeks before she's forced to campaign for him. She's still in the Senate, and Reid and Byrd will just shut her down if she tries something like that.
No legislation for Clinton means no bacon for New York, and if Clinton doesn't deliver, New Yorkers will turn on her in an instant. Party affiliation doesn't run as deep as you'd think in New York, but cut off the pork, and there will suddenly be a very popular challenger looking for her seat.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Are you saying Hillary is a slave to the pork? What does Gloria Steinem think about his?
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
Are you saying Hillary is a slave to the pork? What does Gloria Steinem think about his?
Oh, dear.
Now I can't read the bit about a challenger looking at her seat without getting giggles.
Remember a big buddy of hers (Joe LIeberman) also betrayed his party and people and yet (with the help of Rove) he was able to be re-elected.
But the Lieberman-Lamont fight was not a cakewalk, and I wouldn't be surprised if he loses in 2012.
New York may be a tougher nut, in any case. Lieberman was still being curried by the Democratic leadership, was still chairman of three committees, and was bringing home the bacon, none of which will be true for Clinton if she refuses to support the presidential candidate.
In addition, I think that many people in New York supported her for senator based on the belief that she would eventually run for president. If she takes this all the way to the convention and loses the nom, she's toast. The next time she would be able to run would be in 2016 (since she couldn't run against President Obama in 2012), at which point she would be 69, the same age as Ronald Reagan when he ran in 1980.
So you've got a senator who has defected, isn't bringing home the bacon, doesn't have any committee chairs, is on the outs with party leadership, and doesn't have any potential to be elected to any higher office (except maybe governor).
If you can't beat her for senate on those terms, I don't think you can ever beat her for senate (which is a distinct possibility).
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
mf_roe 9 minutes ago ---------------------------------------------------------------
OUCH...may I applaud your content and balls! .
mf_roe
· 1 year ago
Polly_Tics Nice to talk to you again, Notice how Clinton's trash talk is amplified by her supporters and Obama's supporters try to take his keep his positive vibe. I guess I'm just a little more caustic than most. (Caustic=Bitter)
Sage24
· 1 year ago
I have never heard anyone from the media, mention the fact that Rev. Wright was a marine, who stopped his education to join the service. Some of his remarks might be totally unacceptable, but no one is really looking at the person. He has fought for this country, he has helped the people in Chicago, and has done may remarkable deeds, that even Hillary's ex pasture has acknowledged. Hillary and McCain supporters, aided by the media, are attacking Obama, by bringing Wright into the picture, again, and again. No one seems to remember that evangelical leaders, who have made bigoted comments, have been accepted and embraced by McCain. As for Hillary, we know that her self righteous remarks, are hypocritical. Her large baggage, even though rummaged, still has tons of dirt hidden underneath. Dirt, that we shall all be made aware of, when the right wingers start attacking her, if by some hellish chance, she becomes the nominee.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy,
You actually do believe Obama can't win? Why is that....because of race perchance?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy,
Grover Clevland sought the Presidency, won then lost and then won re election.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Polly_Tics, great job! School them! ;-)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Sage 3 minutes ago ----------------------------------------------------
There is much to Reverend Wright that is wonderful and good, the problem here is that politics got in the middle of this man's career and turned it every which way and down. Certainly the man said some things that shocked most of us, but so do many politicians much less their pastors/reverends/fathers. I am waiting for a piece (and video) about Wright made from whole cloth that can be copied and passed about to give a more accurate read on this man and his time in his church.
Is it no wonder that most good men and women don't want to run for office? This stuff is madness and totally horrifying.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
a famous old bumper sticker said "if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention" regarding pastor wright, i'd wanna say "it you're the least bit shocked, you haven't been paying attention". most of what he said could have been one of my rants except he has has more clarity and credibility.
the pundits and teevee brainiacs instruct us to be shocked that some of our older black leaders are pissed the fuck off. sorry, i'd like to help, but i'm running very low on shock after the horror of the last 8 years.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Sage24
Indeed...Wright served our country for 6 years in the U.S. Marines and the Navy..
For Hillary not to denounce the ad the GOP planned on showing in N.C. is a sign of just what kind of a character she really is.....one with no integrity.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
mf_roe 4 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------- It's nice to "see" you again as well! Perhaps we are all a tad bitter these days, but heck is it any wonder with such a sour puss as an opponent? You know, I once actually did respect Hillary (wouldn't vote for her for President, but would support her for Senate) and was upset when I heard about friends (especially woman friends) who disliked her.
That was then, these days I am so horrified by her antics that I have vowed to never vote for anyone in her family again. LOL, and considering the family, I am sure another Clinton will be just around the corner....
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Nigel Elliott 2 minutes ago =====================================
Shucks, must i?
; )
grandma
· 1 year ago
Black Leader in House Denounces Bill Clinton’s Remarks
The third-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives and one of the country’s most influential African-American leaders sharply criticized former President Bill Clinton this afternoon for what he called Mr. Clinton’s “bizarre” conduct during the Democratic primary campaign.
Representative James E. Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate from South Carolina who is the Democratic whip in the House, said that “black people are incensed over all of this,” referring to statements that Mr. Clinton had made in the course of the heated race between his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Senator Barack Obama.
Snaps 3 minutes ago --------------------------------------------------
Why do you even bother coming here? It's clear that we don't have much in common.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
naps, nobody hates Hillary. That's why we need to hold an Intervention: "Hillary, you know we love you, but you've been hitting the kool-ade way too much and it's affecting the whole family."
Al Gore? He's too busy saving the world from itself.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy 1 minute ago ------------------------------------------------------------------
Heck, we know the GOP will do whatever they can with whatever they have or invent, but does that mean that the majority won't see the better candidate?
Perhaps you're right, but I really do hope this election amounts to more than the past few.
Really? James E. Clyburn? Wow, now that IS news. He has been holding back in commenting, so I need to find an article on this bit. Thanks!
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy,
Snaps has been here alot today and has only said the nastiest sorts of things. Nothing to actually comment ON, just lots of complaints and things that made me want to scratch....
Snaps
· 1 year ago
Polly, you think it's nasty when someone says that Obama supporters should stop villainizing Clinton eh? It's not good for the party. It's only good for McCain. That's basically been my point.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
villainous is not such a stretch to describe HRCs antics of late. the challenge is to make hillary democrats (about 50%) see this. if sarcasm and condescension can make this happen, i'd say go for it. but a better model is the obama campaign, which has been more good-natured about her, only occasionally stooping to ridicule and zingers. i'm relieved to see it because the tone on this blog, if that's the alternative, would lose him the general election lickety-split (he can't win without that other 50%). come here (or to DKos) to relieve your frustrations but tone it down when you're out in the real world. <forced grin>
mf_roe
· 1 year ago
Lets see, Obama is too much a sissy to get in the gutter, he knows preachers who dispise the sins this country has committed and he foolishly believes many cling to religion in times of trouble. Yeah, he's toast ==Not what we deserve at all.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Will these issues Clinton raised during the nomination be the same ones the Republicans will use. I mean will they hold up the second time around?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy,
Besides, while I love Al Gore, this is NOT how I want him to run. This race is between Obama and Clinton, anyone else would not be welcome no matter how much I may like them
Snaps
· 1 year ago
Polly doesn't like me because I made her admit that she would rather not vote than vote for Hillary (and yes, "writing in Obama" is the same thing as not voting)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Snaps, ----------------------------------------------------- Not in "my" book, but that isn't why I have found you scratch worthy. It has been your tone mainly.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
“The way the loser loses, will determine whether the winner wins in November.”
".whether..."?? how about, "...by how much..."
...whether the winner wins" ?? that's...interesting...
Paying far too much attention to this innocuous, inarticulate quote...
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Okay, I am holding back from use of 4 letter words here. Has anyone seen or heard this---Rush LImbaugh is calling for riots in Denver to ensure a Democrat is not elected president. I am not kidding when I say someone needs to arrest this bastard the minute anyone crosses the line in Denver. Isn't this considered internal terrorism
Aquarius et al -------------------------------------------------
The Denver paper did a survey asking epople if they thought Rush went to far in demanding a riot at the DNC convention. Here are the disgusting results:
Do you think Rush Limbaugh crossed the line when he hoped for riots during Denver's DNC convention? Choice Votes Percentage of 5530 Votes Yes. 2041 37% No. 3489 63%
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Andrew A. Gill 4 minutes ago ---------------------------------------------------
These days I'm not so sure there will be repercussions in her districts. Remember a big buddy of hers (Joe LIeberman) also betrayed his party and people and yet (with the help of Rove) he was able to be re-elected. Never underestimate the powers of the Clinton's...they may be evil but they don't care!
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
I doubt if Clinton will ever campaign for Obama if that is the way the ticket goes.
LOL, did anyone see the Daily Show last night? Stewert did a great bit on Hillary running while Obama was being sworn in.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Polly
Your heard about this Rush thing? I live in Denver and this is the first I have heard of it. Can't this fat assed loud mouth be charged with internal terrorism? How is this any different than the Chicago 7. Limbaugh may not be a planner but he sure as hell is an inciter.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
Dear Rush,
We're ready and willing to take on your challenge. We come with experience.
- Montreal Canadiens hockey fans.;)
grandma
· 1 year ago
acquarius2
I also think Limbaugh should be charged with attempting to subvert the will of the American people by encouraging Repubs to vote for Hillary.
Unfortunately there is no law against it....so it seems.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
aquarius2 2 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I learned about Limbaugh from YOU! I read your article and was horrified as I usually am about anything regarding him, but this time it IS simply disgraceful! This must be illegal during normal times, but considering the Bush administration is in place, Limbaugh and his minions can probably do most anything, yet if we blink, we will be locked up so bloody fast!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Oh there has to be a law on the books somewhere for inciting riots to interfere with voting processes. This is beyond a joke, beyond a "dream". The man is advocating violence to keep one party from winning an election.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Snaps 3 minutes ago 1 point ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Polly, you think it's nasty when someone says that Obama supporters should stop villainizing Clinton eh? It's not good for the party. It's only good for McCain. That's basically been my point. ===================================================
No, it's not your use of verbs that I find upsetting, it was just the general disrespect of everyone reading the blog that I found most heinous. Look, we don't agree on who to elect for President, right? That's a no brainier, but there is no need to get nasty and rude about it all.
Let's just agree that we don't agree and try to discuss why. Now that IS a discussion (or at least the beginning of a possibility).
The way she has mismanaged her campaign and finances and distorts the popular vote adds to a growing list of reasons she should not be the nominee.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Please send that link I furnished to every blog you visit. The ass has gone to far this time and maybe someone will know someone to do something about this.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
aquarius2 0 minutes ago ======================================
I'm no lawyer but I am sure that Limbaugh went above and beyond.
Please, might there be any lawyers here this evening? .
tbhull
· 1 year ago
May Rush's fat ass get pummeled in riots ion Denver or Palm Breach, but we are in America and even his Oycontin addicted fat privileged ass can legally spew as long as he does not plan and/or participate.
mf_roe
· 1 year ago
The harm that a bunch of regug skinheads with "Rush" tattoos on their asses pales in comparison with what the Clintions will inflict with their plans to hijack the nomination inside the hall. Emmanuel is correct the loser, either one, will have it in their power to sabotage the winner. I can't see Obama stooping to that but have no doubt that Clinton would.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
tbhull
What about incite, he is inciting
tbhull
· 1 year ago
He is not directing anyone to riot, he is just wishing it will happen. Now if he told his listeners how to kick off the riot that would be different.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Oh I was so damn mad about Limbaugh I forgot to ask you and everyone you know to get in there and vote YES to the questions "Has Limbaugh gone too far"
Andrew A Gill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "But the Lieberman-Lamont fight was not a cakewalk, and I wouldn't be surprised if he loses in 2012."/i ==========================================================
I certainly hope you are right about that one! I live in California, but I donated money to Lamont's campaign just to get that big load of a past the due date Senator out of office. It would figure that he would gang up with Rove to make sure he gets his election after all. He and the Clinton's have so much in common. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In addition, I think that many people in New York supported her for senator based on the belief that she would eventually run for president. If she takes this all the way to the convention and loses the nom, she's toast." =======================================================
Again, hope you're right. I am a born and bred New Yawka but I left the city just before she ran for office. IF I was still there, I would have voted FOR her as Senator (that makes me shudder now) but I just wonder about whether they would throw her over. People are awfully covetous of their own elected officials.
I NEVER ever would underestimate ANY Clinton, no matter how much they look like they may be down. These people (?) have unusual powers...
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
People are awfully covetous of their own elected officials.
New York more than most. But voters also tend to kick out people who have failed spectacularly. Dukakis, for example. It's a longshot, but if Hillary doesn't produce, you just might see it.
(also, when I said she's toast, I meant for ever being president)
These people (?) have unusual powers...
Good thing we live in a democracy, then. Democracy, when executed properly, is like kryptonite to nobility.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
It's a good thing Rush is not a Pastor in, say, Chicago, or he'd be in real trouble.
Hack
· 1 year ago
We can ALL file complaints with the FCC. Go back and listen to the last couple weeks archives. There is plenty of reason.
The FCC must investigate all complaints.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Well that is just f**king lovely, Limbaugh can tell people to riot to prevent a Democrat from being president, he can do it on the air and then say he was dreaming. Lovely, just lovely.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I was dreaming the other night that Limbaugh's cow heart exploded while he was on the air.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Aquarius,
I already voted YES and was stunned to see how many people didn't think he had gone far enough.
I wonder if someone can use a computer, can they also walk, breathe air and reason all at once...
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Hack
Thank you for the positive suggestion. I will be that doing that tomorrow. This is going way too far to suggest riots as a way of stopping a democratic process.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Hack 1 minute ago ---------------------------------------
Good idea!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
tbhull
now that was a dream, but saying there should be riots to disrupt the convention and THEN only when callers objected saying he was "dreaming" was a little hard to believe.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
My dream went on. Rush did not die, but he was left incontinent and brain dead. Unfortunately, my dream turned into a nightmare when it went on the reveal he still broadcast his message without losing a listener.
::Colorado is changing, it used to be Republican but we now have a Democratic governor. Still it doesn't surprise me there are a lot of strange people here. Not just because of this. One station had to take their chat off line because everything was a racist remark.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I will make it easy for you to file a complaint. Just click on the link and follow the instructions, I think public safety might be the category
aquarius2 5 minutes ago -------------------------------------------------------------
Really? Their radio programming had outright racist comments on air? Well, at least they are taking that stuff down now, yes? Let us all hope and pray that "things they are a changin' now".
I don't know if you saw my comment from earlier (you were leaving at the time) but IF the DNC screws up this nomination thing, I am planning on coming to town. So since you will be leaving, perhaps we could wave as we pass!
LOL, you can always recognize me because of the rose between my eyes (don't ask)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Andrew A. Gill 0 minutes ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Good thing we live in a democracy, then. Democracy, when executed properly, is like kryptonite to nobility." =========================================================== I just adore that line! I hope you don't mind if I "borrow" it on occassion?
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
I just adore that line! I hope you don't mind if I "borrow" it on occassion?
I'm sure it's been expressed more eloquently elsewhere, but you have my blessing to use it however you see fit.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
I am still a bit of a Superman fan and "kryptonite" was one of my very first loves...
(Is that the actual spelling? It looks off to me tonight, but then again I am a bit "off" tonight.)
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
Oh, a quick note.
You don't use military operation naming conventions to name your dreams (Operation Chaos).
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Polly
No not the radio program, the on line chat feedback lines for published news, it was a Channel 9, not the one with this story. Everything was attributed to illegal immigrants, everything. It was horrible.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Polly
I am not kidding, if there is any hint of trouble , I am leaving and you are welcome to my condo
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
aquarius2 14 minutes ago ---------------------------------------------------------
In that case let it be known that I am one heck of a great guest AND chef. If it comes to pass, I will leave you some simply dreamy treats to look forward to when coming home.
(and I do mean good, these promises are always met with confetti-my promise to you!)
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
The way the loser loses should determine whether or not the loser has a political future.
By the way, I thought this Washington Post article was hilarious:
Larry Craig can't use his "Craig for Senate" fund to pay his attorney bills. The reason being is the ethics committee determined his "wide stance" wasn't part of his official duties. (so funny)
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Busboy, I saw that ad on TV earlier today and was horrified. It is simply disgusting. But please, I'm a bit confused, these days you seem to speak as a progressive (sorta kinda) and yet you always ere a staunch republican.
What happened? Or is it simply too little sleep for me?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
cowboyneok [Moderator] 1 minute ago -------------------------------------------------------
That is simply too juicy to believe....thank you , I will now go to sleep with a smile tonight!
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
LOL! That is TOTALLY brilliant!
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
The reminds me of what Reverend Baxter warned us about immediately following 9/11:
"Today, we gather to be reassured that God hears the lamenting and bitter weeping of Mother America because so many of her children are no more. Let us now seek that assurance in prayer for the healing of our grief stricken hearts, for the souls and sacred memory of those who have been lost. Let us also pray for divine wisdom as our leaders consider the necessary actions for national security, wisdom of the grace of God that as we act, we not become the evil we deplore."
All the more poignant that it is Hillary & Co. behaving this way, NOT the vast right-wing conspiracy which she has spent much of her political life opposing, and of which she spoke so articulately.
DCinDC
· 1 year ago
Talk show host Rush Limbaugh is sparking controversy again after he made comments calling for riots in Denver during the Democratic National Convention this summer.
He said the riots would ensure a Democrat is not elected as president, and his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens.
Rahm Emanuel is a dyed in the wool Clintonista. Don't kid yourself.
jr
· 1 year ago
"extremists, not Al Queda"-Hillary on tour with John McCain
Busboy
· 1 year ago
maxstar212, Obama is the best candidate, but he's peaked too soon. There are very few candidates who come back after 4 years and re-seek the nomination and win the presidency. The only one I can think of in my lifetime is Richard Nixon.
Snaps
· 1 year ago
Hillary and Barack are both great candidates. Their fanatical supporters are poison. Hope that H stays in, convention's brokered and A Gore is drafted. Or do you Obama and you Hillary supporters now hate Al Gore too?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
No, Polly, It's because Hillary is going to leave him gutted if she doesn't get the nomination. Let's see how the GOP Rev Wright ads in NC affect the outcome of the primary. Those ads are basically regurgitating Hillary's talking points. If he doesn't stumble in NC he might have a chance to win the general.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Here's the ad in North Carolina that McCain pulled down: (don't know if it'll play or not)
Busboy, I saw that ad earlier and was disgusted but not surprised. Actually, I think they (the GOP) are merely warming up!
Now please, tell me, tell me do. Whatever happened to you politically? Last I knew you were a heavy duty REpublican and all of a sudden you sound kinda like a moderate - almost progressive. This simply MUST be my imagination, but I need your response to sleep well tonight.
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
I see three possible outcomes.
MOST LIKELY -- Clinton gets the nomination, loses to McCain. She carries about 10-12 states. NEXT MOST LIKELY -- Obama gets the nomination, loses to McCain. Obama carries one or two states. LEAST LIKELY -- Clinton gets the nomination, wins if McCain's health takes a turn for the worse.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Not much of an ad, eh?
maxstar212
· 1 year ago
I think that the 50 state strategy is nice. I also think that it is nice that the 8 thousand people, or thirty thousand people who showed up to some of these caucuses in deep Red states like Obama. But, lets face it--a Democratic candidate for President can not win unless he wins blue states. And also Purple states that go back and forth, namely Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Florida. Just because Hillary won in Purple states that the election will really be fought in, does not mean that Obama can not win them. But didn't Tuesday suggest that Obama will have trouble in Penn. It is hard to think that the Democrats could win the White House without Penn.
I think it is time for Obama to consider dropping out for the good of the Democratic Party. He can still grow in the Senate, and maybe take some leadership roles there eventually. Maybe he can run for Governor of Illinois. I don't think he can win in November--and I doubt the super-delegates will hand the nomination to the next McGovern. That is why they were created, to protect us from just this situation. A candidate who can not win getting the most delegates. It would be good for Obama to announce that he is ending his campaign and go do his job in the Senate. He looks tired of the campaign anyway and he probably needs a rest.
All Comments
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/column...
Some think Rahm will be one to have to tell Hillary it's over - along with some others that are picked.
I do hope Indiana and NC do not let the party down and keep this thing going or Hillary more to feed her delusion.
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I guess we can count on your for a reasoned "fair and balanced" view of election outcomes, eh?
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/prof...
Just my opinion. I'm convinced that if Obama becomes the candidate, the GOP will unleash a ferocious campaign to characterize him as radical, possibly Muslim, anti-American, and inexperienced. They'll use the the flag pin, Rev. Wright, his wife's thesis, Rezko, mysterious trip to Pakistan in college.
It'll be a swift-boating that makes Kerry's look like child's play.
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"It'll be a swift-boating that makes Kerry's look like child's play."
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On this we agree!
She may try this, but I'd give it two weeks before she's forced to campaign for him. She's still in the Senate, and Reid and Byrd will just shut her down if she tries something like that.
No legislation for Clinton means no bacon for New York, and if Clinton doesn't deliver, New Yorkers will turn on her in an instant. Party affiliation doesn't run as deep as you'd think in New York, but cut off the pork, and there will suddenly be a very popular challenger looking for her seat.
Oh, dear.
Now I can't read the bit about a challenger looking at her seat without getting giggles.
Remember a big buddy of hers (Joe LIeberman) also betrayed his party and people and yet (with the help of Rove) he was able to be re-elected.
But the Lieberman-Lamont fight was not a cakewalk, and I wouldn't be surprised if he loses in 2012.
New York may be a tougher nut, in any case. Lieberman was still being curried by the Democratic leadership, was still chairman of three committees, and was bringing home the bacon, none of which will be true for Clinton if she refuses to support the presidential candidate.
In addition, I think that many people in New York supported her for senator based on the belief that she would eventually run for president. If she takes this all the way to the convention and loses the nom, she's toast. The next time she would be able to run would be in 2016 (since she couldn't run against President Obama in 2012), at which point she would be 69, the same age as Ronald Reagan when he ran in 1980.
So you've got a senator who has defected, isn't bringing home the bacon, doesn't have any committee chairs, is on the outs with party leadership, and doesn't have any potential to be elected to any higher office (except maybe governor).
If you can't beat her for senate on those terms, I don't think you can ever beat her for senate (which is a distinct possibility).
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OUCH...may I applaud your content and balls!
.
Nice to talk to you again, Notice how Clinton's trash talk is amplified by her supporters and Obama's supporters try to take his keep his positive vibe. I guess I'm just a little more caustic than most. (Caustic=Bitter)
Some of his remarks might be totally unacceptable, but no one is really looking at the person. He has fought for this country, he has helped the people in Chicago, and has done may remarkable deeds, that even Hillary's ex pasture has acknowledged.
Hillary and McCain supporters, aided by the media, are attacking Obama,
by bringing Wright into the picture, again, and again. No one seems to remember that evangelical leaders, who have made bigoted comments, have been accepted and embraced by McCain. As for Hillary, we know
that her self righteous remarks, are hypocritical. Her large baggage, even though rummaged, still has tons of dirt hidden underneath. Dirt, that we shall all be made aware of, when the right wingers start attacking her, if by some
hellish chance, she becomes the nominee.
You actually do believe Obama can't win? Why is that....because of race perchance?
Grover Clevland sought the Presidency, won then lost and then won re election.
great job! School them! ;-)
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There is much to Reverend Wright that is wonderful and good, the problem here is that politics got in the middle of this man's career and turned it every which way and down. Certainly the man said some things that shocked most of us, but so do many politicians much less their pastors/reverends/fathers. I am waiting for a piece (and video) about Wright made from whole cloth that can be copied and passed about to give a more accurate read on this man and his time in his church.
Is it no wonder that most good men and women don't want to run for office? This stuff is madness and totally horrifying.
the pundits and teevee brainiacs instruct us to be shocked that some of our older black leaders are pissed the fuck off. sorry, i'd like to help, but i'm running very low on shock after the horror of the last 8 years.
Indeed...Wright served our country for 6 years in the U.S. Marines and the Navy..
For Hillary not to denounce the ad the GOP planned on showing in N.C. is a sign of just what kind of a character she really is.....one with no integrity.
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It's nice to "see" you again as well! Perhaps we are all a tad bitter these days, but heck is it any wonder with such a sour puss as an opponent? You know, I once actually did respect Hillary (wouldn't vote for her for President, but would support her for Senate) and was upset when I heard about friends (especially woman friends) who disliked her.
That was then, these days I am so horrified by her antics that I have vowed to never vote for anyone in her family again. LOL, and considering the family, I am sure another Clinton will be just around the corner....
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Shucks, must i?
; )
The third-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives and one of the country’s most influential African-American leaders sharply criticized former President Bill Clinton this afternoon for what he called Mr. Clinton’s “bizarre” conduct during the Democratic primary campaign.
Representative James E. Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate from South Carolina who is the Democratic whip in the House, said that “black people are incensed over all of this,” referring to statements that Mr. Clinton had made in the course of the heated race between his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Senator Barack Obama.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/b...
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Why do you even bother coming here? It's clear that we don't have much in common.
Al Gore? He's too busy saving the world from itself.
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Heck, we know the GOP will do whatever they can with whatever they have or invent, but does that mean that the majority won't see the better candidate?
Perhaps you're right, but I really do hope this election amounts to more than the past few.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog...
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Really? James E. Clyburn? Wow, now that IS news. He has been holding back in commenting, so I need to find an article on this bit. Thanks!
Snaps has been here alot today and has only said the nastiest sorts of things. Nothing to actually comment ON, just lots of complaints and things that made me want to scratch....
Besides, while I love Al Gore, this is NOT how I want him to run. This race is between Obama and Clinton, anyone else would not be welcome no matter how much I may like them
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Not in "my" book, but that isn't why I have found you scratch worthy. It has been your tone mainly.
".whether..."?? how about, "...by how much..."
...whether the winner wins" ?? that's...interesting...
Paying far too much attention to this innocuous, inarticulate quote...
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/d...
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The Denver paper did a survey asking epople if they thought Rush went to far in demanding a riot at the DNC convention. Here are the disgusting results:
Do you think Rush Limbaugh crossed the line when he hoped for riots during Denver's DNC convention?
Choice Votes Percentage of 5530 Votes
Yes. 2041 37%
No. 3489 63%
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These days I'm not so sure there will be repercussions in her districts. Remember a big buddy of hers (Joe LIeberman) also betrayed his party and people and yet (with the help of Rove) he was able to be re-elected. Never underestimate the powers of the Clinton's...they may be evil but they don't care!
LOL, did anyone see the Daily Show last night? Stewert did a great bit on Hillary running while Obama was being sworn in.
Your heard about this Rush thing? I live in Denver and this is the first I have heard of it. Can't this fat assed loud mouth be charged with internal terrorism? How is this any different than the Chicago 7. Limbaugh may not be a planner but he sure as hell is an inciter.
We're ready and willing to take on your challenge. We come with experience.
- Montreal Canadiens hockey fans.;)
I also think Limbaugh should be charged with attempting to subvert the will of the American people by encouraging Repubs to vote for Hillary.
Unfortunately there is no law against it....so it seems.
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No, I learned about Limbaugh from YOU! I read your article and was horrified as I usually am about anything regarding him, but this time it IS simply disgraceful! This must be illegal during normal times, but considering the Bush administration is in place, Limbaugh and his minions can probably do most anything, yet if we blink, we will be locked up so bloody fast!
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Polly, you think it's nasty when someone says that Obama supporters should stop villainizing Clinton eh? It's not good for the party. It's only good for McCain. That's basically been my point.
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No, it's not your use of verbs that I find upsetting, it was just the general disrespect of everyone reading the blog that I found most heinous. Look, we don't agree on who to elect for President, right? That's a no brainier, but there is no need to get nasty and rude about it all.
Let's just agree that we don't agree and try to discuss why. Now that IS a discussion (or at least the beginning of a possibility).
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/us/politics/2...
The way she has mismanaged her campaign and finances and distorts the popular vote adds to a growing list of reasons she should not be the nominee.
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I'm no lawyer but I am sure that Limbaugh went above and beyond.
Please, might there be any lawyers here this evening?
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What about incite, he is inciting
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/d...
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"But the Lieberman-Lamont fight was not a cakewalk, and I wouldn't be surprised if he loses in 2012."/i
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I certainly hope you are right about that one! I live in California, but I donated money to Lamont's campaign just to get that big load of a past the due date Senator out of office. It would figure that he would gang up with Rove to make sure he gets his election after all. He and the Clinton's have so much in common.
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"In addition, I think that many people in New York supported her for senator based on the belief that she would eventually run for president. If she takes this all the way to the convention and loses the nom, she's toast."
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Again, hope you're right. I am a born and bred New Yawka but I left the city just before she ran for office. IF I was still there, I would have voted FOR her as Senator (that makes me shudder now) but I just wonder about whether they would throw her over. People are awfully covetous of their own elected officials.
I NEVER ever would underestimate ANY Clinton, no matter how much they look like they may be down. These people (?) have unusual powers...
New York more than most. But voters also tend to kick out people who have failed spectacularly. Dukakis, for example. It's a longshot, but if Hillary doesn't produce, you just might see it.
(also, when I said she's toast, I meant for ever being president)
These people (?) have unusual powers...
Good thing we live in a democracy, then. Democracy, when executed properly, is like kryptonite to nobility.
The FCC must investigate all complaints.
I already voted YES and was stunned to see how many people didn't think he had gone far enough.
I wonder if someone can use a computer, can they also walk, breathe air and reason all at once...
Thank you for the positive suggestion. I will be that doing that tomorrow. This is going way too far to suggest riots as a way of stopping a democratic process.
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Good idea!
now that was a dream, but saying there should be riots to disrupt the convention and THEN only when callers objected saying he was "dreaming" was a little hard to believe.
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I think I may love you...
::Colorado is changing, it used to be Republican but we now have a Democratic governor. Still it doesn't surprise me there are a lot of strange people here. Not just because of this. One station had to take their chat off line because everything was a racist remark.
https://esupport.fcc.gov/sform2000/new_complain...
Here is the article with direct quotes from Limbaugh
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/d...
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Really? Their radio programming had outright racist comments on air? Well, at least they are taking that stuff down now, yes? Let us all hope and pray that "things they are a changin' now".
I don't know if you saw my comment from earlier (you were leaving at the time) but IF the DNC screws up this nomination thing, I am planning on coming to town. So since you will be leaving, perhaps we could wave as we pass!
LOL, you can always recognize me because of the rose between my eyes (don't ask)
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"Good thing we live in a democracy, then. Democracy, when executed properly, is like kryptonite to nobility."
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I just adore that line! I hope you don't mind if I "borrow" it on occassion?
I'm sure it's been expressed more eloquently elsewhere, but you have my blessing to use it however you see fit.
(Is that the actual spelling? It looks off to me tonight, but then again I am a bit "off" tonight.)
You don't use military operation naming conventions to name your dreams (Operation Chaos).
No not the radio program, the on line chat feedback lines for published news, it was a Channel 9, not the one with this story. Everything was attributed to illegal immigrants, everything. It was horrible.
I am not kidding, if there is any hint of trouble , I am leaving and you are welcome to my condo
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In that case let it be known that I am one heck of a great guest AND chef. If it comes to pass, I will leave you some simply dreamy treats to look forward to when coming home.
(and I do mean good, these promises are always met with confetti-my promise to you!)
By the way, I thought this Washington Post article was hilarious:
Defending a 'Wide Stance' Requires a Thick Wallet
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
Larry Craig can't use his "Craig for Senate" fund to pay his attorney bills. The reason being is the ethics committee determined his "wide stance" wasn't part of his official duties. (so funny)
I saw that ad on TV earlier today and was horrified. It is simply disgusting. But please, I'm a bit confused, these days you seem to speak as a progressive (sorta kinda) and yet you always ere a staunch republican.
What happened? Or is it simply too little sleep for me?
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That is simply too juicy to believe....thank you , I will now go to sleep with a smile tonight!
"Today, we gather to be reassured that God hears the lamenting and
bitter weeping of Mother America because so many of her children are
no more. Let us now seek that assurance in prayer for the healing of
our grief stricken hearts, for the souls and sacred memory of those
who have been lost. Let us also pray for divine wisdom as our leaders
consider the necessary actions for national security, wisdom of the
grace of God that as we act, we not become the evil we deplore."
All the more poignant that it is Hillary & Co. behaving this way, NOT the vast right-wing conspiracy which she has spent much of her political life opposing, and of which she spoke so articulately.
He said the riots would ensure a Democrat is not elected as president, and his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxkctYRAZQ
I saw that ad earlier and was disgusted but not surprised. Actually, I think they (the GOP) are merely warming up!
Now please, tell me, tell me do. Whatever happened to you politically? Last I knew you were a heavy duty REpublican and all of a sudden you sound kinda like a moderate - almost progressive. This simply MUST be my imagination, but I need your response to sleep well tonight.
MOST LIKELY -- Clinton gets the nomination, loses to McCain. She carries about 10-12 states.
NEXT MOST LIKELY -- Obama gets the nomination, loses to McCain. Obama carries one or two states.
LEAST LIKELY -- Clinton gets the nomination, wins if McCain's health takes a turn for the worse.
I think it is time for Obama to consider dropping out for the good of the Democratic Party. He can still grow in the Senate, and maybe take some leadership roles there eventually. Maybe he can run for Governor of Illinois. I don't think he can win in November--and I doubt the super-delegates will hand the nomination to the next McGovern. That is why they were created, to protect us from just this situation. A candidate who can not win getting the most delegates. It would be good for Obama to announce that he is ending his campaign and go do his job in the Senate. He looks tired of the campaign anyway and he probably needs a rest.