DISQUS

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 month ago

When will Mexican-American and Cuban-American and Puerto Rican advocacy groups reassure us that they are patriotic Americans who condemn this tragic and shocking violence?

Will people with Latino names live in paralyzing fear of vigilante attacks?

When will the Catholic Church come out and dissociate itself from Rodriguez's shooting rampage?

("Going postal" is terrorism only when it's done by Muslim-Americans . . . )

Indigo · 1 month ago

1 dead, 5 wounded. CNN overstated the wounded. The gunman is in custody.

zorbear · 1 month ago

You notice that ALL these people doing the shooting have unAmerican names....

How'd all these furryners get in White Man's country?

SCLiberal · 1 month ago

Unless one's name is something like Kicking Bear, everyone's a "furryner"! ;)

the crustybastard · 1 month ago

There were people here before them too.

zorbear · 1 month ago

And the people before those people also came over from the old world. There were NO people who developed/evolved on THIS continent - that was the point of my sarcastic remark...

Ya big silly!

RitornaVincitor · 1 month ago

Yes, but according to the GOP we all need guns in order to be free and truly American. Just can't pry that gun out of Chuck Heston's cold, dead hands.

Daniel Beck · 1 month ago

That's right! Ask everyone to turn in their guns!!! I'm sure the criminals will promptly give up there guns and we can all live the rest of our lives living the Utopian dream where there are no wars or crimes, only hugs and kisses.

Joking aside, if this shooter was faced with the possibility that at least half of the office was armed, he likely wouldn't have attempted this crime. You don't hear about police stations getting shot up too often because the police shoot back.

RitornaVincitor · 1 month ago

Nope. Don't ask. Make them. Disarm the country. We need more guns like the world needs more nuclear weapons.

Daniel Beck · 1 month ago

Funny you mention nuclear weapons. When was the last time someone used nuclear weapons? I'm certain the only reason the cold war is on ice now is because both sides of the equation were equal - they had them and so did we. You just gave proof it works.

I do love your idea of making them give us their guns and not asking. Even better lets make them be "good" and "nice" and not ask.

Are you proposing we kick in doors and search every home? It worked for Hitler, the minute he forcefully took all the guns he no longer had any opposition within his borders. Are you advocating a police-state?

RitornaVincitor · 1 month ago

No. No police state. Just one like so many countries where guns are not seen as an extension of freedom or manhood. Not poking fun at you - just a general statement. I'm no wuss. I'm a Viet Nam vet who knows how to use a gun. Used to hunt with my father when I was a kid. But there are too many angry men out there with dead-end jobs, no power or sense of control in their lives, living with women who completely control them, and seeking a sense of power and manhood through a gun. Then these same angry people find themselves in everyday situations where they lose control. It's too easy. I'm sure the gun manufacturers love the gun race where everyone tries to be better armed than the criminals or the crazies, but the American public is not safer as a result.

Daniel Beck · 1 month ago

You make a good point - I agree there are many people who shouldn't own guns but who am I to play the monarch and decide who can and who can't. Because of a few bad incidents, are we ready to toss the baby out with the bath-water?

You used to hunt with your father, I also had the same bonding experiences with my father and therefore feel the only ones a gun ban would hurt are law abiding citizens where guns can play a positive role in life. I don't hunt these days but the guns I shot with my father have a great deal of heritage and significance. If the government asked for my firearms, I'd willingly turn them in as I respect the law of the land over personal desires but the criminals certainly don't.

More people die as a result of drunk-driving than of homicide with a firearm. Are you ready to outlaw alcoholic beverages and cars? Objects, whether they are cars, alcohol or firearms aren't to blame - it is society. Eliminating guns doesn't fix the problem. 40 years ago a citizen could buy the same fully automatic weapons the military used however there was less gun violence - the current state we are in is because of a failed society not the lack of a gun-ban.

RitornaVincitor · 1 month ago

There would be no gun violence if there were no guns. I understand what you are saying, and I don't advocate making hunting weapons illegal. I'd love to see a ban on handguns and most of the rest of the arsenal available out there. What we're seeing now is a growing sense that America needs guns for basic protection from guns.

the crustybastard · 1 month ago

Not really. A woman doesn't need a gun to protect herself from a gun. Most men don't require any weapon to overpower most women. A pistol, however, makes a great equalizer.

Not saying she must pull the trigger.

the crustybastard · 1 month ago

Well, there is the small issue of the Second Amendment.

It's not superfluous.

RitornaVincitor · 1 month ago

Depends on whether an individual is considered a militia or not.

the crustybastard · 1 month ago

I like you Ritorna, I really like you.

But I'm going to predict that this shooter was probably not acting within the letter of the many and varied gun-control laws that are already on the books (notwithstanding the fact that he was using a gun to shoot people, which is obviously illegal).

If a nut can break the law and attack people using a firearm, it hardly makes sense to make a law guaranteeing that his prospective victims will be unarmed.

RitornaVincitor · 1 month ago

I like you too, Crusty. I just don't think that the increasing availability of guns is making us safer. A guy cut me off on the freeway yesterday. I honked at him, and he stepped hard on the brake. I decided to let it go, but he wanted more. Then the thought occurred to me that he might just have a handgun. I slowed way down and took the next exit. We're not safer with more guns.

the crustybastard · 1 month ago

Like you, I've been seriously threatened with cars more times than I can recall. But I've never once been threatened by a gun.

And I live in Missouri, where they sell guns in dispensers at the car wash and adults put pistols in trick-or-treater's bags.

Fisk202 · 1 month ago

I don't know what everyone is getting so excited about. Americans love mass shootings. The American public decided a long time ago that these random and brutal mass shootings are merely the price we all pay for yahoos to be able to hunt and shoot automatic weapons at gun clubs. Any politician who opposes it is promptly voted out. This is just how it is.

Fisk202 · 1 month ago

Of course bullets don't kill, people do. It's just really really hard to throw people as far and as fast as a bullet.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 month ago

Except if you're an Arab-American or Muslim-American. Then "going postal" (an acceptable price to pay for our Judeo-Christian God-given Second Amendment freedoms) is evil, Satanic, godless terrorism.