AMERICAblog: Another proud white woman for Hillary
jr
· 1 year ago
Larry Johnson in drag
moreleesafer
· 1 year ago
well, isn't she special? <said in my best Church Lady voice>
alfannaan
· 1 year ago
now I have a shrill old shrew go off many a time but damn!
jimfromthefoothills
· 1 year ago
Hillary? is that you?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I think it's Geraldine Ferraro wearing a wig.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Hmmm, they talk about Obama supporters but look at what we have seen of Clinton supporters. First the old lady and the flag pin, this woman and the another one claiming bruises (think that clip is at Huff or Firedoglake). I don't know but they seem more than angry, they seem unhinged.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Hillary has seemed unhinged to me for months. Has she always been, or is this something new?
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
Michigan and Florida got more than their parties deserved. Certainly, the voters matter and the votes count. But BOTH STATES were warned what would happen if they moved their votes up, regardless of what Sen. Levin thought the rules change meant. Florida moved their primary, and Michigan moved their primary AFTER the penalty against Florida was lodged.
Can we please just move on now, and let the real candidates battle for the Presidency?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
How interesting:
Per multiple sources inside the closed Rules and Bylaws Committee lunch, Obama actually had the votes to get a 50-50 delegate split out of Michigan -- but by just a vote or two.
However, it was decided to go with the 69-59 split to win a larger majority. That measure passed 19-8.
It wouldn't matter to people like this woman, they think Hillary should be the nominee, elections be damned.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Hi Aquarius2, Exactly!
GReggo
· 1 year ago
...and now i'm even more especially proud to be an american!
ComradeRutherford
· 1 year ago
I had to stop watching that. I lived in NYC for 20 years, and I came in contact with many, many people that behaved exactly like her.
I watched the Rules meeting today on MSNBC. It was so clear that Clinton supporters have no class and act just like Republicans do - 4$$holes. When the committee was voting, the crowd would applaud: Obamaians would applaud when one side would vote, and then the Clintonistas would applaud while the other side was counted.
But I noticed that when the Clinton-side vote was being counted, we could hear only applause, when the Obama side was being counted the Clintonites would BOO and HISS.
How uncouth!
And that is a symptom of one thing I can't stand about Senator Clinton, adopting the Republican's 4$$holism. (Not that I support GOP-sleeper Obama, either!) Another symptom was Clinton staying on the MI ballot when the Actual Democrats, the ones that follow the rules, took their names off the ballot. But Hillary is a Republican, so the Rule of Law doesn't apply.
The GOP feels it's crucial to screw with rules regarding voting to manipulate election results. The voters of MI and FL have been caught in another GOP scheme, and the Dem leadership has to deal with the mess forced upon them. It seems to me that today's ruling was as even as one cold get. I've been saying for a while now that splitting the two states 50-50 between the two main candidates is the fairest way, but whatever...
JetSetter
· 1 year ago
What I'm seeing is the "ME generation" boomers, (regardless of gender) who have spent their entire life demanding attention for themselves in one way or another, getting pissed off at the younger generation(s) finally calling them on their self-indulgence. But like any spoiled brat, finally told NO, they don't like it one little bit. These old white women find it easier to switch their allegiance from an old white woman to an old white man, than to a young black man - the double whammy of race and age will not be overcome.
maxstar212
· 1 year ago
Maybe she feels that Obama is stealing the election and dividing the party. Perhaps she passionately loves her country and that the issue of counting every vote is important to her. Maybe she doesn't care how she sounds and is not there to represent Clinton, but is an honest citizen who believes in the concept of free speech. She may be old and ugly, but there may be something to learn from her. I will vote for Obama because I have never missed a vote and I always pull the Democratic lever. But, I know that Obama, and the blind passion he inspires, is dangerous for America. Democrats love the conflict of ideas, and this unity meme is bizarre, and that people who don't agree with obama are either racist, on hillary or mccain's payroll, or just downright fat, old and ugly..
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Maxstar, I just don't understand the "stealing the election" statement. Every vote is being counted and delegates awarded on those votes. As for blind passion, isn't that what this woman just did? How about her passion, spitting in the face of fairness because that is what she did There was really no other way to solve this short of holding new elections.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Well, I liked Hillary for 2 years (though I liked Edwards and Obama too, still we were considered a pro-Hillary blog) and only recently turned on her, so I think you're seriously misjudging the mood here if you think people embrace Obama out of blind passion, and/or that the loathing of Hillary is motivated by anything other than the shocking epiphany as to how loathsome a creature she has become.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Uh, she sounded rather racist to me. As for blind passion for Obama, I for one would've voted for Hillary up until a few months ago. But I can't abide by the way she has run her campaign. Besides, she lost! She lost over two months ago!!!
The unity meme was originally intended as a counterpoint to Bush, who has divided this country by labeling critics [meaning Democrats] traitors. But, again referencing the way Clinton has run her campaign, the unity meme could be applied to the Democratic party right now too. Because it's time to unite as Democrats and support our nominee. Unless you have a problem with that and want to vote for McSame. By all means, it's your choice.
rainlillie
· 1 year ago
No, her motivation is pure hate. She's a racist...NEXT!
ChicagoKid
· 1 year ago
I don't think you are racist--but you can be if you want it's a free world--but, you ramble on and on without making a single point. The insane woman didn't say boo about free speech, but I'm glad that you can read her demented mind.
I was for Hillary until Bill made the Jessie Jackson remark, Hillary lied about being under fire, she said and implied that "hard working whites" will only vote for her(implying that blacks are lazy), and she changed every metric along the way when it wouldn't put her in office.
Paul_In_SF
· 1 year ago
Er, some of us old boomers aren't like that. Just saying..
vickif
· 1 year ago
Agree.
JacksonThersites
· 1 year ago
Garbage. This woman is no more capable of voting for McCain than she is of voting for another Bush term. Where does she say she will vote for McCain? She DOES NOT. She is broken hearted that Hillary is losing and she is terrified Obama is a lightweight who won't be up to McCain in the fall. She is terrified of another four years of Republicans in the white house pure and simple. And the racist lapse is silly on the face of it. Listen to what she says! She is afraid we are privledging Obama because he is black and setting ourselves up to seeing Obama go down in flames when the election moves out of the narrow confines of the Democratic primaries. She is wrong about that but she is no racist. Take this video down and leave this woman in peace to mend her broken heart that a woman got this close to being president only to see it snatched away.
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
WHY? WHY WOULD YOU LIKE MY NAME? MAYBE YOU'RE THE CIA, THE FBI...
I'm a reporter. It's being recorded.
Yeah? My name's Harriet Christian. H-A-R-R-I-E-T C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N.
Macbill
· 1 year ago
I hope her granddaughter will never need a legal abortion, or her great granddaughter, as the Supreme Court will surely take away that personal right of women. McCain is committed to conservative judges.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Unbelievable. I'm reading similar sentiments expressed over at Larry Johnson's blog, No Quarter, where I was once a contributor. No Quarter is a staunch Hillary supporter. They intend to fight this all the way to Denver and probably beyond. They're continuing to bash Obama.
But, as Al Gore said to Howard Dean after Dean lost in 2004: This isn't about you. This is about our country.
If Clinton's supporters can't see past that to elect our Democratic nominee, then I hope they can live with themselves if McSame wins and we have more kids coming home in boxes.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
HI They will blame it on the Obama supporters, trust me, these are not logical people, at least not the ones I have seen today.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Oh, they are! I couldn't write for No Quarter anymore because of the Obama bashing, left months ago. Before leaving, however, I said that what they were doing was very destructive to the Democratic party. Because what if Obama won the nomination [it wasn't clear at the time he would] then what? Were they going to support McCain? They were destroying one of our viable Democratic candidates to help elect Hillary, when a Democratic White House isn't in the bag. McCain could win. I couldn't...and still can't believe them. But it appears to be symptomatic of Hillary's supporters.
Happy_Housewife
· 1 year ago
Harriett needs to calm herself, or she won't be around to vote for McBush. A stroke is a terrible way to go.
I don't know.. Call me naive, but I just can't see getting that worked up about things. I would have voted for Hillary. I will vote for Obama. I think they're both fine people, and would both be fine Presidents. We've certainly done worse. But these crazy older people that Clinton attracts (and believe me - I'm no spring chicken myself) are just.....unbelievable. They remind me of ladies who scream on the bus, or who show up at community meeting and try to monopolize the public comments portion of the evening. They're part of the reason why I'm sworn off volunteer work. I did my time with those types. I'm happy to write a check now.
SoLeftImRight
· 1 year ago
No real need for loudmouth racist morons like this in the Democratic party. She says absolutely nothing of substance. What is wrong with these people?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Is the insanity really going to end this week? I hope so because McCain is going haywire. Lost opportunity for the Dems.
rainlillie
· 1 year ago
Wasn't it a little too early to be drinking?
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
I'm getting really tired of people in the Democratic party who won't compromise for the good of the party. How do they think those of us who were Edwards supporters feel about all this craziness? My biggest regret is Edwards didn't stay in the race longer, and maybe we wouldn't even be having these conversations. We would have KNOWN who the nominee was earlier with a longer three way race.
I attended a campaign event for a guy running for Oklahoma State House, and spoke with like minded Democrats who are getting REAL TIRED of the whole "playing the victim" thing coming from Florida and Michigan states. Sure, we realize they couldn't control how their legislature voted to move the primaries up and go against the Democratic Party rules, BUT they are responsible for who they elect as their representatives just as we, as Americans, are responsible for national leaders like Bush. Sure, we voted for the other guy but if there wasn't so much APATHY in this country maybe more people would knock doors and DRIVE PEOPLE to polls to ensure we overcome the "DARK SIDE" this time around? I want to hear less bitching from people who don't get plugged in and involved. Instead of SCREAMING at the Democratic Party, the anger should be directed at Republicans who moved the primaries up, causing the problem, and a Democratic voters buckle down in a huge effort to kick their sorry GOP asses out of the state senates and houses where they have caused this crap. They are sitting there LAUGHING at people who are directing their anger back at the Democratic Party and our potential nominee. Lets remember who are enemy is, pull together and DEFEAT THEM in November! We can't afford another four years of MCSAME!
vickif
· 1 year ago
I too was going to vote for Edwards. I'm in Illinois and I was disappointed he pulled out before Supertuesday. I still don't understand why any of the candidates pulled out before then. His name was on the ballot anyway. After Supertuesday would have been soon enough for any candidate to get out. Also I am a 63 year old white woman who wouldn't vote for Clinton just because she is a woman.
JacksonThersites
· 1 year ago
Compromising for the good of the party cuts both ways. We need to do it as well. This woman should not be vilified and persecuted. She is angry and she is heartbroken that a woman came this close to being president and lost. And she is venting. She never says anywhere in this video she will vote for McCain. She may not vote for Obama but she certainly won't if she and all the others that are going to come along like her are treated like specimen to be mocked and poked fun at. We should compromise as well and take down this video. Leave this woman in peace.
rainlillie
· 1 year ago
Why must there be some weird reason as to why people chose Obama over Hilary? Maybe some people think he's the better candidate. She claims to have all this experience, yet when it was time for her to use that experience with good judgment she failed and voted for the war and for the Kyl/Lieberman bill. Her talk of obliterating Iran didn't help her either.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
The only experience I see in Clinton right now is the experience of how to run a race like a Republican and that just doesn't cut it for me.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Ah, another day ends and the circus known as the Democratic race for the nomination continues. Someone make it end, please make it end OR in other words, tell Hillary she lost.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
She's become irrelevant. The Clintons no longer control the DNC. So she can scream and yell and try to appeal 4 Michigan delegates all the way to Denver if she wants to. It will only make her look pathetic. She could've ended her campaign with class and she chose not to.
It's time to move on. Seriously, she's irrelevant now.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Well, I don't agree that she is a "loathsome creature," neither literally nor figuratively. Her behavior, however, as well as the behavior of some of her campaign, is damaging.
When people are referred to with names that are extremely negative and unverifiable, I call that Hate Speech, which is also damaging.. A little respect goes a long way.
As for Ms. Christian, I think she was drunk, and I strongly suspect something was else was bothering besides the electoral process. Her position was rather unreasonable, I think, though perhaps at least a little bit understandable. But nevertheless, some of her words are also have the potential to be very damaging.
rainlillie
· 1 year ago
I don't understand why any Democrat would vote for McCain. I can see not voting at all if you don't like your choice on the Democratic side, but why vote for McCain? She has no idea how it feels to be treated like a second class citizen.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
John A. says:
No, we're just sick of tired of people who lost the election two months ago, hangin around and screwing things up for the rest of us. She lost, get over it. As some point this entire thing becomes pathetic, and that point was easily three or four weeks ago now. They're not fighting for a higher purpose. These people are fighting because they can't handle the fact that they lost, and their candidate has been lying to them for weeks, playing off their sympathies and emotions. Thoreau, please.
I think you're right about this, John. But what is the reference to Thoreau?
Andrew A. Gill
· 1 year ago
He was responding to someone who was talking about Thoreau's Civil Disobedience. Hillary might, to some, be trying to disobey an unjust law.
Or she might just be a spoiled brat who wants everything her way.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Thanks for the info. If the roles were reversed, I don't think Obama and his supporters would be calling this law unjust. I think that he would "take it like a man," if you'll forgive the phraseology.
MoteDai
· 1 year ago
I sat two rows behind this woman and her associates. They were yelling all sorts of stuff throughout the final votes. It was embarrassing. They even started chanting "McCain" at one point. As they were walking out, the woman in the video was yelling things and people were trying to "Shhh" her. The younger woman with her said, "Woman have been 'shushed' for years!" The whole "sexist" thing does get a tad old. You weren't being shushed because you were women, you were being shushed because you were making asses of yourself and your candidate.
Butch1
· 1 year ago
Talk about cutting one's nose off to spite one's face, this woman would rather vote in McCain who is for getting rid of Roe v. Wade only because her woman was not voted in by the majority of the democratic party. This is a perfect example of some of the women who blindly will vote for Clinton only because she is a woman and no one else in the party. She sounds as though she has a problem with a black man running against a white woman. What in the world is wrong with people like this that a little education in race relations wouldn't cure?!
HelenaMontana
· 1 year ago
That woman doesn't care about Roe v. Wade--she's long past her reproductive years. She's clearly the type that doesn't care about what does not immediately affect HER.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Impressive.
Catsandbeer.com
· 1 year ago
what a crazy bitch
rednose
· 1 year ago
Oh dear...
Nick_the_Dog
· 1 year ago
.............and they thought my mom was a bitch!!!!!!
falloch
· 1 year ago
agree w/ comrade rutherford and soc. tina - New York City has many people like Ms Christian. NYC is the capital of kvetch and this woman obviously has her PhD in Kvetching (a discipline practiced by all kinds of NYers, not just Jewish ones). NYers kvetch when they have to wait in a queue, when their main course comes two minutes late and 2 degrees too cold, when Lord and Taylor's doesnt have the right dress size and they have to call the Westchester branch. They Kvetch because they can't do anything else about their circumstance so they just bitch and moan so that everyone can share their frustration. The correct response to kvetching is not 'You're a crazy old bitch', but 'GET OVER IT!' P.S. I am proud to be an ex-pat New Yorker
MotorCityBadBoy
· 1 year ago
She's pathetic... Take your tired ass on and vote for McCain... There's a young college kid at NYU that will cancel your vote and all of the racist granny votes like yours. Plus she's from NY, what does this have to do with her?
TDeg
· 1 year ago
As a young college kid at NYU myself, I would be more than proud to do so.
MotorCityBadBoy
· 1 year ago
I would have happily voted for Hillary, but the Iraq war vote was what tore it for me. I saw it as pure opportunism to be tough on defense instead of using common sense. Playing politics with people's lives is too much to swallow.
Rab
· 1 year ago
Wow, a New York Wicked Witch..........but now no longer a candidate.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Do we know how many of those "protestors" are actually true blue Dems?
I'll bet not many. And boy am I tired of Clinton's switch and bait tactics and those of her supporters..
HelenaMontana
· 1 year ago
I suspect that at leat 40% of those protestors were GOP plants. The giveaway? The comments about Fox News being fair and balanced and I especially loved the one about George Soros being behind it all. So I think that's it--40% Operation Chaos, 60% genuine, bona fide Hillwhackers.
Denverbound
· 1 year ago
Lets play the tape of the priest, and call it a another proud group of blacks for Obama!
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
The difference is Hillary actively uses "female pride" as part of her campaign strategy, and Obama has made every attempt to avoid race in this campaign. So with Hillary this is the rule and with Obama it is an exception to the rule.
gonzalez
· 1 year ago
How was the kool-aid?
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
BTW, I got my first impression of those NY women when job hunting there; was on an elevator when 2 came on, evidently one continued the beef they were having, calling the other "bitch", sotto voce.
My next impression, working at NYU, was a 22 yr old who actually told me (and I can't remember exactly why 3 of us had to immediately have an impromptu "session" and I was 40 at the time) that "we're all grownups here" and lit into me for some imagined office indiscretion or slight that had no basis in fact, as I recall.
Believe me, I was happy to leave NY 3 months later.
AngelaChanning
· 1 year ago
Ouch. 219,000 views and growing. She's on her way to being a viral video. John, can you help me create a Harriet Christian re-mix? LOL.
LeeBurl
· 1 year ago
If she feels slighted as a woman and had just continued along that path, she might get a little empathy from me. But when she started making racist remarks, she lost whatever empathy I may have felt.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Impressive.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
This crazy woman was shown on the Today show this morning shouting that she was voting for McCain in '08.
This reminded me of yesterday's SNL show (a repeat), Where "Hillary" says that her supporters are racist! She has run a very divisive campaign, and managed to brainwash her naive supporters into thinking that she is entitled to the nomination, despite the fact that she is not the front runner. I can see that some of her supporters are not only racists, but they keep playing the sexism card too. This old biddie is foaming at the mouth, and cannot accept the fact that "this inadequate, black man" has beaten the heiress apparent, and given the Clintons a good run for their money (or lack of it).
Obviously, these are ignorant (the types who only vote for a white woman) supporters, who don't know the system, and are okay with the fact that Hillary voted for the war, lied about Bosnia, has high negatives etc.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
I would like her to explain to me how Obama did anything wrong. She doesn't care about the people who didn't vote because they were told the vote would not count. She doesn't care about anything but grasping power. We shall see in the coming days if Hillary and Bill (I am sure he isn't done) and the rest have within them true Democratic Liberal morals and ethics. I haven't seen many indications that Hillary has a gracious side so I am hopeful. Bill, I am sure, will be wagging his finger somewhere and Ickes showed everything you want to know about him. He is a rude, unethical bully whose sole intention is to get back into power with a plum job from Hillary.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
This is what they call..."telling".
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
McAuliffe on Stephanopolous and the shrew on TV yesterday make this life-long Democrat very angry. This is not what the Democratic Party is. Clinton has turned this into a side show. She is to blame, totally, for all of this happening. She and Bill have decided if they can't have it no other Democrat will have it. Hillary has listened to Bill and her other supporters tell her how wonderful she is and that she deserves to win. Her campaign has introduced racism and sexism into the game. The Clintons are totally against the Party. And they, if anyone, should know how the Party works. But if it doesn't work for them it doesn't work.
ChicagoKid
· 1 year ago
LOL---at first I thought that it was clip from the new Tracy Ulman show with her using a cheesy NY accent. The woman is straight out of central casting.
dcredhead
· 1 year ago
Everyone's a little bit racist Sometimes. Doesn't mean we go Around committing hate crimes. Look around and you will find No one's really color blind. Maybe it's a fact We all should face Everyone makes judgments Based on race.
For some reason that popped into my head....
gonzalez
· 1 year ago
This is what the fu------g Clintons have done. Increased the hatered in this country. Thanks Hillary! This is why I will never vote for a Clinton again.
bosdav
· 1 year ago
If they ever remade "Desperate Living", she would be PERFECT in Edith Massey's role.
djny10003
· 1 year ago
I'm from NYC also. In 2003, I e-mailed both my Senators to PLEASE vote against the war, and then they both voted for it. That was when I decided I would not vote for HIllary for President unless I absolutely had to.
I have already voted against HIllary in the Senatorial primary in 2006, and in this year's presidential primary. I look forward to voting against her again in 2012, if she decides to run again for Senate.
gustavmahler
· 1 year ago
This is a serious problem, I wish that John would see this and do a post on it. There are a number of women who have decided that they will vote for McSame if Hillary is not nominated. They have been worked into this frenzy by Hillary and her statements. They say things like 'they are taking it from the woman', 'they are throwing her away', all followed by 'I am voting for McCain'.It was Hillary's kitchen sink stragedy that included this 'the men are stealing this from the woman' meme, that has got these women so upset. And it seems to be mostly women over 50 who are white. I would with someone in her 30's though, who is like this. She has a degree in communitcations and teaches the same. She told me she has been working for and waiting for Hillary her whole life. When I mentioned the Bosnia lie, she told me 'they both lie'. Any criticism of Hillary was deflected this way. She is voting for Hillary because Hillary is a woman, and it doesnt matter what Hillary does or says. Amazing.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Is that woman for NY or West Virginia???
I hope that lady loves her children. If she does vote for McCain, she should know that she will be voting to send them to Iran!
beltman713
· 1 year ago
Believe it or not, racism has no boundaries. You can find just as many racists in New York as you can in West Virginia.
fentondem
· 1 year ago
Did anyone listen to what this woman said...all republican talking points ..If I had anymoney....no thanks to the republican economy, I would bet it all the she was a republican sent to cause trouble...people remember who were dealing with.
Milli
· 1 year ago
THATS the kind of informed electorate that we want to come out and vote this November.
Denverbound
· 1 year ago
Hate to tell you this but thats the electorate we need to win in November.
warsaw
· 1 year ago
What's different about what this woman is saying from everything we've heard from the Clintons for the last few months? Even the tone is the same as her fellow classmate in the HS class of 1957, Harold Ickes this morning on Meet the Press. Cranky, grasping for words, raspy voice, .furrowed brows and a sort of terminal end of life anger that only those over 60 can seem to get worked up (although this does not mean that everyone in that demographic is top of skull flying off angry, just a subset that seems to be made up of Clintonians). Hillary should sign this woman up to give anger expression classes for all those of her older feminist supporters who are too lulled and inexpressive by all those social work classes at Smith College. More second wave feminist anger fully expressed, that's what this campaign needs.
JacksonThersites
· 1 year ago
Take down the video. Take it down. This woman is a good Democrat guilty only of being afraid we are going to lose in November. She is an older woman who saw a dream of a lfetime slip away: a woman who could win president of the united states. She is heartbroken and angry. She never says she'll vote for McCain and she won't. This woman is incapable of voting for McCain. We have to heal as a party and that will not happen if we rub the faces of Clinton's supporters in the muck. This video does that and worse. It is fear mongering, pandering to the fear Democrats have that some of Clinton's supporters will vote for McCain, and some will but this woman will not. She may not vote for Obama but she will never vote for McCain. Take down the video and leave this woman in peace. She is no more a racist than my mom of her age. Take down the video. Show grace for a moment instead of teeth and take down this video.
I'm proud to be an older white woman who voted for Barack Obama. An unapologetic, unreconstructed, modern feminist, at 69 years old I chose to vote for Obama in the California primary because this country needs to change the way it does government. Hillary Clinton represents the 20th century and I choose to live in the 21st century.
Sen. Obama has demonstrated an affinity for consensus building while Sen. Clinton clearly prefers scorched earth, 20th century politics as this video clearly shows. I've been on the losing side and understand how difficult it is to let go of a hard fought for dream and I urge Ms. Christian and her compatriots to take some time to rethink the situation. I invite her and all of Sen. Clinton's supporters to coalesce behind Sen. Obama's campaign and work hard to win the general election. Our country cannot afford four more years of Bush politics.
feeba
· 1 year ago
Clinton has taken Kentucky and Obama is right there in Oregon. The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates – as CNN points out clearly
If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama
If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com
Obama Supporters:
Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...
Clinton Supporters too …. !
It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !
Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...
maxstar212
· 1 year ago
A citizen of Michigan or Florida is only 1/2 a person. and our brothers and sisters of those states only are counted as 1/2 a human being. She, at least, had her vote counted. But I understand her empathy that her fellow citizens are disenfranchised by 1/2.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Isn't that a bit overly dramatic? Both Florida and Michigan were warned what would happen if they proceeded to jump ahead of other states, yet their party leaders ignored the warning and went ahead anyway. They weren't supposed to be seated as delegates at all, the Rules committee didn't have to do a damn thing, but for fairness they allowed the half vote. Josh Marshall made a good point, how about the voters that just stayed at home during the primaries, especially in MI, those are the real disenfranchised voters.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
And the state parties of Florida and Michigan proposed the compromises that were adopted.
maxstar212
· 1 year ago
New York State Regent's required 10th graders to read Henry David Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience" Bad rules should be broken. I think the young people only think of ways to use legal tricks. There is no fighting for higher truths. The right to vote is not as beautiful to them as a good inspirational speech by Obama
No, we're just sick of tired of people who lost the election two months ago, hangin around and screwing things up for the rest of us. She lost, get over it. As some point this entire thing becomes pathetic, and that point was easily three or four weeks ago now. They're not fighting for a higher purpose. These people are fighting because they can't handle the fact that they lost, and their candidate has been lying to them for weeks, playing off their sympathies and emotions. Thoreau, please.
Jeremy_in_Denver
· 1 year ago
Methinks both Maxstar and this 'proud white american woman' are actually Republican plants, part of Rush Limbaugh's 'Operation Chaos', designed to tear the Democratic Party apart as that's the only way Republicans can win in 2008.
I'll grant Hillary her due props. It's a very close race, so close both candidates can taste victory. It's even more painful for Hillary, as she's virtually half a length behind the front runner, and there's not enough yards on the track to inch that mare to victory. She can only hope that the superDs give her the election after some silly 'I'm teh best' argument that convinces them that she is indeed the best even though she's down by every benchmark except a grossly unfair benchmark that doesn't give Obama any votes out of Michigan.
One thing I hope this does teach the Democrats in the future. Why, oh why, did they not follow their regulations from day one? The regs say those who violate policy lose half their delegates, then they lose half their delegates. Unless your regs say you lose all delegates, don't play stupid and give the likes of HRC this opportunity to fragment the party. Change the regs to say violators lose all delegates or penalize states with half their votes if they do pull this crap.
That said, all the people foaming at the mouth for Hillary? I hope you enjoy your crappy country when McCain wins. I'll not stick around to see the end result of that.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Yeah, ditto Aquarius2! Thousands of people stayed home in Michigan and Florida because they believed their votes wouldn't count. They knew their state legislatures had violated the election rules. So they stayed home. If their states were allowed to violate the rules, then they would've been disenfranchised by their own states. Besides, we can't have states continually jockeying for first place in the primaries, breaking the rules, and possibly extending the primaries beyond a year.
I was happy to see the Obama campaign agree to what Florida and Michigan and the RBC wanted. Considering how unfair the situation was to voters and how it could've all been avoided, it was the best outcome. As the likely nominee, who'd won by every measure, Obama didn't have to do that. But he did for party unity. And Clinton did very well by it.
But Clinton lost over two months ago. It's time to move on.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Not to mention, the election is over, so the entire thing is kind of moot, and has been for a while.
All Comments
Can we please just move on now, and let the real candidates battle for the Presidency?
Per multiple sources inside the closed Rules and Bylaws Committee lunch, Obama actually had the votes to get a 50-50 delegate split out of Michigan -- but by just a vote or two.
However, it was decided to go with the 69-59 split to win a larger majority. That measure passed 19-8.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/...
Exactly!
I watched the Rules meeting today on MSNBC. It was so clear that Clinton supporters have no class and act just like Republicans do - 4$$holes. When the committee was voting, the crowd would applaud: Obamaians would applaud when one side would vote, and then the Clintonistas would applaud while the other side was counted.
But I noticed that when the Clinton-side vote was being counted, we could hear only applause, when the Obama side was being counted the Clintonites would BOO and HISS.
How uncouth!
And that is a symptom of one thing I can't stand about Senator Clinton, adopting the Republican's 4$$holism. (Not that I support GOP-sleeper Obama, either!) Another symptom was Clinton staying on the MI ballot when the Actual Democrats, the ones that follow the rules, took their names off the ballot. But Hillary is a Republican, so the Rule of Law doesn't apply.
The GOP feels it's crucial to screw with rules regarding voting to manipulate election results. The voters of MI and FL have been caught in another GOP scheme, and the Dem leadership has to deal with the mess forced upon them. It seems to me that today's ruling was as even as one cold get. I've been saying for a while now that splitting the two states 50-50 between the two main candidates is the fairest way, but whatever...
As for blind passion for Obama, I for one would've voted for Hillary up until a few months ago. But I can't abide by the way she has run her campaign. Besides, she lost! She lost over two months ago!!!
The unity meme was originally intended as a counterpoint to Bush, who has divided this country by labeling critics [meaning Democrats] traitors. But, again referencing the way Clinton has run her campaign, the unity meme could be applied to the Democratic party right now too. Because it's time to unite as Democrats and support our nominee. Unless you have a problem with that and want to vote for McSame. By all means, it's your choice.
I was for Hillary until Bill made the Jessie Jackson remark, Hillary lied about being under fire, she said and implied that "hard working whites" will only vote for her(implying that blacks are lazy), and she changed every metric along the way when it wouldn't put her in office.
I'm a reporter. It's being recorded.
Yeah? My name's Harriet Christian. H-A-R-R-I-E-T C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N.
But, as Al Gore said to Howard Dean after Dean lost in 2004: This isn't about you. This is about our country.
If Clinton's supporters can't see past that to elect our Democratic nominee, then I hope they can live with themselves if McSame wins and we have more kids coming home in boxes.
They will blame it on the Obama supporters, trust me, these are not logical people, at least not the ones I have seen today.
I don't know.. Call me naive, but I just can't see getting that worked up about things. I would have voted for Hillary. I will vote for Obama. I think they're both fine people, and would both be fine Presidents. We've certainly done worse. But these crazy older people that Clinton attracts (and believe me - I'm no spring chicken myself) are just.....unbelievable. They remind me of ladies who scream on the bus, or who show up at community meeting and try to monopolize the public comments portion of the evening. They're part of the reason why I'm sworn off volunteer work. I did my time with those types. I'm happy to write a check now.
I attended a campaign event for a guy running for Oklahoma State House, and spoke with like minded Democrats who are getting REAL TIRED of the whole "playing the victim" thing coming from Florida and Michigan states. Sure, we realize they couldn't control how their legislature voted to move the primaries up and go against the Democratic Party rules, BUT they are responsible for who they elect as their representatives just as we, as Americans, are responsible for national leaders like Bush. Sure, we voted for the other guy but if there wasn't so much APATHY in this country maybe more people would knock doors and DRIVE PEOPLE to polls to ensure we overcome the "DARK SIDE" this time around? I want to hear less bitching from people who don't get plugged in and involved. Instead of SCREAMING at the Democratic Party, the anger should be directed at Republicans who moved the primaries up, causing the problem, and a Democratic voters buckle down in a huge effort to kick their sorry GOP asses out of the state senates and houses where they have caused this crap. They are sitting there LAUGHING at people who are directing their anger back at the Democratic Party and our potential nominee. Lets remember who are enemy is, pull together and DEFEAT THEM in November! We can't afford another four years of MCSAME!
It's time to move on. Seriously, she's irrelevant now.
When people are referred to with names that are extremely negative and unverifiable, I call that Hate Speech, which is also damaging.. A little respect goes a long way.
As for Ms. Christian, I think she was drunk, and I strongly suspect something was else was bothering besides the electoral process. Her position was rather unreasonable, I think, though perhaps at least a little bit understandable. But nevertheless, some of her words are also have the potential to be very damaging.
No, we're just sick of tired of people who lost the election two months ago, hangin around and screwing things up for the rest of us. She lost, get over it. As some point this entire thing becomes pathetic, and that point was easily three or four weeks ago now. They're not fighting for a higher purpose. These people are fighting because they can't handle the fact that they lost, and their candidate has been lying to them for weeks, playing off their sympathies and emotions. Thoreau, please.
I think you're right about this, John. But what is the reference to Thoreau?
Or she might just be a spoiled brat who wants everything her way.
I'll bet not many. And boy am I tired of Clinton's switch and bait tactics and those of her supporters..
My next impression, working at NYU, was a 22 yr old who actually told me (and I can't remember exactly why 3 of us had to immediately have an impromptu "session" and I was 40 at the time) that "we're all grownups here" and lit into me for some imagined office indiscretion or slight that had no basis in fact, as I recall.
Believe me, I was happy to leave NY 3 months later.
http://www.tagg-theangrygayguy.com
that her supporters are racist! She has run a very divisive campaign, and managed to brainwash her naive supporters into thinking that she is entitled to the nomination, despite the fact that she is not the front runner.
I can see that some of her supporters are not only racists, but they keep playing the sexism card too. This old biddie is foaming at the mouth, and cannot accept the fact that "this inadequate, black man" has beaten the heiress apparent, and given the Clintons a good run for their money (or lack of it).
Obviously, these are ignorant (the types who only vote for a white woman) supporters, who don't know the system, and are okay with the fact that Hillary voted for the war, lied about Bosnia, has high negatives etc.
Sometimes.
Doesn't mean we go
Around committing hate crimes.
Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind.
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.
For some reason that popped into my head....
I have already voted against HIllary in the Senatorial primary in 2006, and in this year's presidential primary. I look forward to voting against her again in 2012, if she decides to run again for Senate.
There are a number of women who have decided that they will vote for McSame if Hillary is not nominated. They have been worked into this frenzy by Hillary and her statements. They say things like 'they are taking it from the woman', 'they are throwing her away', all followed by 'I am voting for McCain'.It was Hillary's kitchen sink stragedy that included this 'the men are stealing this from the woman' meme, that has got these women so upset. And it seems to be mostly women over 50 who are white.
I would with someone in her 30's though, who is like this. She has a degree in communitcations and teaches the same. She told me she has been working for and waiting for Hillary her whole life. When I mentioned the Bosnia lie, she told me 'they both lie'. Any criticism of Hillary was deflected this way. She is voting for Hillary because Hillary is a woman, and it doesnt matter what Hillary does or says. Amazing.
I hope that lady loves her children. If she does vote for McCain, she should know that she will be voting to send them to Iran!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5tFJqt4w8
Sen. Obama has demonstrated an affinity for consensus building while Sen. Clinton clearly prefers scorched earth, 20th century politics as this video clearly shows. I've been on the losing side and understand how difficult it is to let go of a hard fought for dream and I urge Ms. Christian and her compatriots to take some time to rethink the situation. I invite her and all of Sen. Clinton's supporters to coalesce behind Sen. Obama's campaign and work hard to win the general election. Our country cannot afford four more years of Bush politics.
The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates – as CNN points out clearly
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/prim...
If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama
If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com
Obama Supporters:
Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...
Clinton Supporters too …. !
It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !
Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...
http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil1.html
I'll grant Hillary her due props. It's a very close race, so close both candidates can taste victory. It's even more painful for Hillary, as she's virtually half a length behind the front runner, and there's not enough yards on the track to inch that mare to victory. She can only hope that the superDs give her the election after some silly 'I'm teh best' argument that convinces them that she is indeed the best even though she's down by every benchmark except a grossly unfair benchmark that doesn't give Obama any votes out of Michigan.
One thing I hope this does teach the Democrats in the future. Why, oh why, did they not follow their regulations from day one? The regs say those who violate policy lose half their delegates, then they lose half their delegates. Unless your regs say you lose all delegates, don't play stupid and give the likes of HRC this opportunity to fragment the party. Change the regs to say violators lose all delegates or penalize states with half their votes if they do pull this crap.
That said, all the people foaming at the mouth for Hillary? I hope you enjoy your crappy country when McCain wins. I'll not stick around to see the end result of that.
I was happy to see the Obama campaign agree to what Florida and Michigan and the RBC wanted. Considering how unfair the situation was to voters and how it could've all been avoided, it was the best outcome. As the likely nominee, who'd won by every measure, Obama didn't have to do that. But he did for party unity. And Clinton did very well by it.
But Clinton lost over two months ago. It's time to move on.