America will never be free until the right wing and their propaganda outlets can let go of Bill Clinton's cock.
Come on, guys, even Monica let go of it and moved on with her life.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Sorry, but I cannot forgive Bill Clinton, not for his affairs with women but because he lied to all of us. Being the black sheep of my family for becoming a Democrat, I argued for years with them until I was red in the face that all of the stories about Bill's "Bimbo eruptions" were just attacks from the right to take him down. I defended him even more when he wagged his finger in our nation's face and said he didn't "have sex with THAT WOMAN, Miss Lewinsky". When it was discovered he lied about having sex in the Oval Office, I lost all respect for Bill the LIAR. BTW, the White House is OUR house paid for and maintained by the American people. He not only rented out the Lincoln bedroom to raise money for himself, but treated the Oval Office like it was a Motel 6.
I went to the mat for the Clintons for years over their endless scandals and ended up with mud on my face. No more! I have taken off my rose-colored "Clinton glasses" and now see them for whom they are. Remember they were called "slick" and "slippery" before they ever left Arkansas.
nicho
· 1 year ago
It was 10 years ago -- you need to let go of it. For your own mental health. It's not really relevant to the problems facing this country today/. The country is in a death spiral financially, politically, internationally. That's what we need to address.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
I completely agree with Grant and it is very much relevant! The country is in a death spiral, no doubt. Let's not hand the media more distractions. Bill's "weaknesses" are cat nip to these people. You want the media to focus on pressing issues? Don't hand them Bill's dick and expect a different outcome. Won't happen.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
I am sorry, but I can no longer TRUST anything the Clintons do and say as they have revealed their Machiavellian souls. I lost respect for Hillary when, after being a spokesman for years addressing the plight of the Palestinian people...even kissing Soha Arafat as late as 1998, she flip-flopped.
You see, she then went to New York to unpack her carpetbags to become an INSTANT New Yorker so she could run for the Senate. With New York's large Jewish voting bloc and a need for AIPAC money, Hillary then became the BEST friend of Israel they ever had. Screw the ethnic cleansing of Arabs. Nobody panders better than the Clintons.
dula
· 1 year ago
Yes Grant she never would have been able to become Senator from NY if Bill wasn't her husband
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
John McCain visited Israel yesterday to pander to the Zionists and Christian Zionists back here in the U.S. He didn't bother to visit the Occupied Territories or meet with any Palestinians. However, he did visit a Jewish home near Gaza that had a hole in the roof from a Hamas rocket. McCain said, "I'm sorry this happened to you. We'll try to see that it doesn't happen again." IOW, the U.S. will ONLY support the Zionist ethnic cleansing to eventually remove all Arabs from their homeland.
Did McCain visit Gaza, a territory more crowded than Manhattan, a strip of land which Israel has caged with two rows of razor-wire fence, gun towers, pill boxes, and electronic monitors? Even the Nazis never built such a security wall around the Warsaw ghetto.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Bill's dick has spawned so many millionaires writing books and lamenting endlessly on the tee vee that had she been the nominee it would have been Bill's dick 24/7.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
stand by your man give him blah-blah-blah-blah-blah
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
As I've said many times before, both Obama and Clinton have vulnerabilities that the GOP will use against them. Back when others were talking about Rezko, Obama supporters said "But that's all they've got, how pathetic!" But then the Rev. Wright controversy came about, and that seems to have taken hold in the minds of a lot more voters, and the rightwing is using that, too.
Is there anything else coming? With Clinton, there's very little new that will come to light, and that may actually help.
But if Obama can stave off the Wright controversy and the Rezko connection doesn't develop into anything sinister AND there are no other little surprises, then he'll be in good shape.
So far, though, the brilliant speech Obama gave hasn't stopped Fauxnews and other GOP spinners from hammering Obama on Wright, and they seem to be getting some traction on the issue. Obama may have to do more to stem the tide.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Then can you explain why it took a law suit to get the schedules released and why Team Clinton refuses to release their tax returns and list of Clinton Library donors? I want to know who has been bankrolling them for the last 7 years and might be expecting a hefty return on their investment. Don't you?
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Nope, not really, because I don't see that as any different from the kinds of things Obama has done, too. In mind, either Clinton or Obama is infinitely preferable to McCain, but the difference between them -- vote-wise and policy-wise -- are quite minor.
I'm not a huge fan of either, so I think that helps me to consider them both critically. I don't like it when one is held to a standard that the other one isn't, that's all.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Well, it should matter to you. We already know Wal*Mart has donated half a million to the Clinton foundation. That's not chump change. Now, what benefit could Wal*Mart expect from such a generous contribution? Perhaps a White House willing to continue with GOP policies of defanging regulations and turning a blind eye to hiring illegal immigrants? The money trail matters and we need to know who has been buying favor with the Clintons. One thing we can be sure of, the "favor" they expect in return will not be to the benefit of ther rest of us.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Until corporate campaign contributions are eliminated, all politicians, including Obama, will be vulnerable to this kind of influence.
Since the money trail will be problems for all of them, I don't single Clinton out exclusively on this issue. That's why it doesn't matter to me AS A MEANS OF CHOOSING between Clinton, Obama, and McCain.
As an overall issue, applying to all politicians, of course I care. Corporate influence on politicians is a Bad Thing.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
I don't single the Clinton's out exclusively either. This information should be transparent to the public because it has enormous influence over policy decisions. The fact the the Clinton's are refusing to release that information is what is troubling. What are they hiding? Not only should we be informed of these "contributors" before making our decisions, but we need to make sure we are not nominating a poison pill. Early, thorough disclosure on this stuff is vital. For them to push back is a warning sign with fatal consequences.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Well, I've heard enough on both sides about "fatal consequences" if the wrong one is elected, so I'm going to continue to remain relatively agnostic on this issue.
Both Obama and Clinton have vulnerabilities that can be played on by the GOP. Given the way Obama supporters tend to ignore his vulnerabilities though -- or suggest he doesn't have any -- I get leery of claims that it's Clinton who will have the only poison pill.
The Rev. Wright issue is turning into quite the poison pill of it's own, but is that a reason to not vote for Obama, or a reason to vote for Clinton?
Again, I think both candidates are substantially better than McCain, and I'm not going to tear one down in order to feel better about the other. The GOP is doing enough of that for everyone.
heathwood
· 1 year ago
the only thing about the Monica Affair, it had nothing to do with Hillary. Sure, she stood by her man, but is that a bad thing?
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Absolutely not, but that's not the point. The point is with Hillary and Bill back in the spot light, we can look forward to a repeat of the 90's- complete morons breathlessly discussing where Bill's dick has been, when and with whom. 24/7 while nothing gets done. You can't have Hillary without Bill.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
Not if it were only once or twice maybe...sure. But I think we are talking MUCH larger numbers here.
How many lapses in judgement will she permit say her AG? I NEVER want to find out.
ayak9
· 1 year ago
I thought Hillary was the veteran fighter of the famous smear machine who has been fully vetted and she can take anything the Pubs throw at her. I guess not.
We didn't want to hear about this garbage the first time and we really don't have time for it now when the US is facing such problems. Would the H. Clinton candidacy or an H. Clinton presidency be hamstrung by the amazing Clenis? If you google events of 1998, you'd find that all hell broke loose internationally while Bill was distracted by the Monica imbroglio. What has Bill been doing since he left office in 2001? With Spitzer and all the other recent sex scandals, the MSM won't hesitate to bring out a string of bimbos claiming they were victimized by the Clenis, since he left office.
If there were a chance of her winning the nomination, without sliming Obama and arguing he is unelectable and that McCrazy is better prepared to be president, it might be different. She should bow out of her futile campaign now. Spare us a rehash of Monica and Bill. Please.
Go Hillary. Go away!
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Well, if Bill Clinton is going to be a partner in this presidency, or anywhere near the White House, then his past and potentially future (or ongoing) affairs will be news, and when they are, they will bring the next presidency to a halt, just like they did the last. So I think this is something that is potentially quite damaging to us.
Ann_in_KC
· 1 year ago
Weren't the papers just released yesterday? AP was organized and ready for this one. The day that stoud out for me: _April 7, 1996, Easter Sunday. Mrs. Clinton had no public schedule. Lewinsky said that, at the president's suggestion, she performed oral sex while he was on the telephone in his office.
_Feb. 28, 1997
Next encounter is nearly a year later. Must of felt really guilty over the Easter Sunday thing. Almost 12 years ago now. Think we'll be talking about the "preacher man" in 12?
Oh boy...now the Clinton campaign is using Obama's own words against him ....in a CNN interview he says: "In some ways this, this controversy has actually shaken me up a little bit and gotten me back into remembering that the odds of me getting elected have always been lower than some of the other conventional candidates."
Clinton campaign is saying: Sen. Obama Says Hillary Is More Electable
Been there done that and after all of Hillarys tactics against Obama, I will no longer defend any scandals especially this one. The AP story talks about Hillary being in the White House when Bill was with Monica, so if Hillary was there, was Chelsea also there. This pretty much amounts to your significant other having sex with another person in your home while you are in the living room or the kitchen.
Joshau Norton
· 1 year ago
Sorry - but it's still the height of sleaziness by the press. After spending months haranguing Hillary Clinton to release her schedule as First Lady -- based on high-minded demands that open government is important -- the only thing they could do was race to the bottom to report on "Blue Dress Day.
Meanwhile they've decided that McCain is a Serious Expert in these matters and that national security is his strength, and evidence to the contrary won't be reported.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
"Shame on you, Hillary!"
After Hillary shamed Barack Obama as if she were the mistress of the house and the slave boy was caught stealing a pie, because Obama says she ONCE supported NAFTA, it appears from her schedule that she DID! The blue collar workers in Ohio were LIED to!
On November 10, 1993, Hillary met with 120 people in a closed meeting where she promoted NAFTA for her husband.
No wonder there were 4800 pages blacked out from the 11,000 pages of her schedules. Maybe somebody will be in trouble for overlooking this entry.
1billinnj2
· 1 year ago
has anyone seen the juan cole . com article on bush planing for war with iran. he and cheney are going to attack soon.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Yes, and while the press busies themselves with Obama's pastor, they can proceed with their plans totally under the radar.
1billinnj2
· 1 year ago
why has this comment section changed?
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Finally registration on this blog. This should cut down on the troll invasions. Is this 2.0? Thank you, John.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
It already has! I was on last night (under sickofthisshit) and couldn't believe how many HRC "supporters had come out of the woodwork. Apparently their passion for HRC has evaporated now that they have to register. LOL
ProgressiveTroll
· 1 year ago
I know why it's changed, it just took me forever to get to where I could post. IE wouldn't let me do anything, I had to go to Mozilla to get to do anything. Give them a few days, the trolls will be back.
Deacon_Blues
· 1 year ago
I don't think this has any more to do with this election than Obama's preacher. It's just another instance of the Vichy media dangling something shiny in front of us to take us off the issues. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CLINTON'S SEX LIFE!!! Sitting here arguing about it serves only the Republicans. I remember when I held the press in admiration; I actually wanted to be a journalist at one time. The AP is pathetic.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
I would argue most Americans don't care about the sex lives of politicians but the media does. That's why this matters to us. While they stay fixated on sex, our country goes to hell. Fair or not, Hillary comes with Bill. To nominate Hillary is to ensure the topic of Bill's dick 24/7.
ProgressiveTroll
· 1 year ago
I completely agree John. Joe Biden brought this up in not so many words in a debate early on. Hillary just has way too much baggage, it isn't all her fault, but she still has all that baggage none the less. Now, after going on a losing war against a fellow Democrat, she really has a lot of baggage. I've never been for Hillary and wasn't for Obama either until just recently, but now after all her nastiness and looking at her record, I don't think Hillary would be a good president at all. Being first lady does not make you good at foreign policy and her votes on Iraq and Iran prove that, and it doesn't make you a good president. After the antics of Meek and Wasserman Shultz in FL, I'm more convinced than ever that the "Repub lites" need to be weeded out of our party, before they totally destroy it. Which is exactly what is happening and it's disgusting. The real progressive leaders of the Democratic Party need to step up and put a stop to this.
Tom3
· 1 year ago
So, is this the new AmericaBlog 2.0? It is definitely different anyway.
I was at the Denver vigil against the war last night. Only 200 showed up, which is a drop from previous years. Before the war started, I was at a demonstration in Colorado Springs where 2000 showed up.
Americans are becoming apathetic about the war. They are getting a sanitized version of it on their corporate media. The war is starting to hurt the economy, maybe that is when they will finally get off their fat asses.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
No, we're still building the entire site over from scratch. This, however, is a new comments system that a Greek blogger had recommended to me, and I thought it seemed kind of cool, and who knows, we may even use it for the new blog too if it works well. There's a lot of stuff you can do, such as deciding how you want to see posts, the most recent, the oldest, the highest rated - you can rate posts, etc (click the "options" button below the post box at the top for some of the options). And it gives us a LOT greater ability to ban trolls, which should help a lot.
Tom3
· 1 year ago
Hey John A.
I'm an old grump and don't like ANYTHING new.
But I'm getting used to it.
I don't like the reply function though, I'd rather read a straight chat where all posts are in order by time.
Harrumph.
Please don't give out my secret identity. I have enough problems with reich wingnut whackos these days as it it.
Tom3
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
One of the options I have in the settings is to go back to a flat view where each new comment is posted when it comes in, rather than in "reply" to any specific comment. Meaning, you won't see any threaded discussions, any indents, etc. It makes it easier to follow the comments chronologically, but it makes it harder to post in response to a particular comment, or to follow any particular sub-conversation in the comments. Let's give it a few days, and if folks all agree that they like it better "flat," I'll switch to that and see how people like it.
nicho
· 1 year ago
Please don't go back. It's so nice to see which post comments are attached to -- and it saves having to copy and paste quotes from the post you want to reference.
It also keeps OT discussions from clogging up the works. If someone wants to start swapping recipes for possum pie, they can do that in one thread.
SteamingPile
· 1 year ago
Karma's a bitch, ain't it?
Tom3
· 1 year ago
Ugh, I don't like this. It does reply trees, which is not real chat at all. It breaks up the natural flow of comments. Please allow us to read this "flat" without replies going under previous posts.
Tom3
· 1 year ago
See, when replies are put under the original comment like this, it breaks up the natural time line of comments and turns this into a stupid bulletin board instead of a lively chat discussion.
I would like to suggest that we do NOT use the reply function and always use the post window at the top. This would preserve the flow of the chat.
nicho
· 1 year ago
Actually, I think this is a good thing. The old Hell-O-Scan method made this little more than a chat room with totally disjointed and off-topic conversations going on. Not to mention the idiotic quest to be "First," which always looked kind of silly when the post was actually third or fourth.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
OT US legal system 'worse than Russia' A survey shows that European in-house lawyers would rather face litigation in China and Russia than in America Michael Herman
Fear of the American legal system has created an atmosphere in which lawyers working for European businesses would prefer to face a major dispute in Russia or China than the US, a study has revealed.
A survey of 180 in-house counsel working in five European countries identified the US as the jurisdiction they were keenest to avoid, with 29 per cent naming it the country they were most concerned about facing a major dispute in.
The US attracted almost twice as many votes as Russia and China. Despite fears of political interference and corruption in their legal processes, both were named by just 16 per cent of in-house counsel as their most feared jurisdiction.
Actually, if you read the story, the reason they don't like the US is because prosecutors are aggressive, don't give free passes to corporations, and the courts aren't as easy to corrupt.
So, I see this as a good thing -- although the Bush Crime Family is trying hard to make us as corrupt as Russia and China.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
This is exactly what the Clintons are counting on the Democrats coming to their defense as usual , while they are out there spewing their venom against Obama.
hector
· 1 year ago
I expected Obama, who up to now had been steering a perfect course away from the racial boxes of the past, to challenge racial labels and so-called black experiences. We're all mixed up, and if we haven't yet been by the process of miscegenation, trans-racial adoptions and interracial marriage, we sure ought to get used to how things will be in short order. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/comm...
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
so the AP pretties up the stories about McBooboo mixing up the sunnis with the shiites but they give us this garbage. funny. in a sad, sick way.
butchcjg
· 1 year ago
Gee, this whole Lewinsky thing was going on for like 4+ years where Bill is lying to Hillary, lying to the public, then sleeping on the couch. Yet we're supposed to believe that somehow Hillary was "co-President" and "confidant" and that helped her cross the "presidential threshold"....??? Somehow I just dont believe that.
kladinvt
· 1 year ago
So who owns the AP? Is it another minion of Murdoch, perhaps?
nicho
· 1 year ago
The AP is a "cooperative." It is jointly owned by the news outlets who use its service. So, the board of directors is made up of executives from the corporate media. The chairman is William Dean Singleton -- arguably one of the most exploitative and unscrupulous people in business today in the US.
kladinvt
· 1 year ago
Thanks for the info, I was wondering if the AP was just another Fox clone, but corporate media is corporate media.
Django
· 1 year ago
Who gives a shit about her schedule from when she was First Lady - WHERE ARE HER AND BILL'S FINANCIAL RECORDS???
grandpamike
· 1 year ago
One can only hope that it becomes another Gov. McGreevey story, although I shudder t the thought of a menage a trois with Monica.....
ekwhite
· 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton DID NOT die for our sins.
ekwhite
· 1 year ago
Oops, I replied to the wrong thread. On this story, I don't really want to go into Bill Clinton's sex life again. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would make a better president.
All Comments
Come on, guys, even Monica let go of it and moved on with her life.
I went to the mat for the Clintons for years over their endless scandals and ended up with mud on my face. No more! I have taken off my rose-colored "Clinton glasses" and now see them for whom they are. Remember they were called "slick" and "slippery" before they ever left Arkansas.
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/hillarSy.htm
You see, she then went to New York to unpack her carpetbags to become an INSTANT New Yorker so she could run for the Senate. With New York's large Jewish voting bloc and a need for AIPAC money, Hillary then became the BEST friend of Israel they ever had. Screw the ethnic cleansing of Arabs. Nobody panders better than the Clintons.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/56...
Did McCain visit Gaza, a territory more crowded than Manhattan, a strip of land which Israel has caged with two rows of razor-wire fence, gun towers, pill boxes, and electronic monitors? Even the Nazis never built such a security wall around the Warsaw ghetto.
give him
blah-blah-blah-blah-blah
Is there anything else coming? With Clinton, there's very little new that will come to light, and that may actually help.
But if Obama can stave off the Wright controversy and the Rezko connection doesn't develop into anything sinister AND there are no other little surprises, then he'll be in good shape.
So far, though, the brilliant speech Obama gave hasn't stopped Fauxnews and other GOP spinners from hammering Obama on Wright, and they seem to be getting some traction on the issue. Obama may have to do more to stem the tide.
I'm not a huge fan of either, so I think that helps me to consider them both critically. I don't like it when one is held to a standard that the other one isn't, that's all.
Since the money trail will be problems for all of them, I don't single Clinton out exclusively on this issue. That's why it doesn't matter to me AS A MEANS OF CHOOSING between Clinton, Obama, and McCain.
As an overall issue, applying to all politicians, of course I care. Corporate influence on politicians is a Bad Thing.
Both Obama and Clinton have vulnerabilities that can be played on by the GOP. Given the way Obama supporters tend to ignore his vulnerabilities though -- or suggest he doesn't have any -- I get leery of claims that it's Clinton who will have the only poison pill.
The Rev. Wright issue is turning into quite the poison pill of it's own, but is that a reason to not vote for Obama, or a reason to vote for Clinton?
Again, I think both candidates are substantially better than McCain, and I'm not going to tear one down in order to feel better about the other. The GOP is doing enough of that for everyone.
But I think we are talking MUCH larger numbers here.
How many lapses in judgement will she permit say her AG?
I NEVER want to find out.
We didn't want to hear about this garbage the first time and we really don't have time for it now when the US is facing such problems. Would the H. Clinton candidacy or an H. Clinton presidency be hamstrung by the amazing Clenis? If you google events of 1998, you'd find that all hell broke loose internationally while Bill was distracted by the Monica imbroglio. What has Bill been doing since he left office in 2001? With Spitzer and all the other recent sex scandals, the MSM won't hesitate to bring out a string of bimbos claiming they were victimized by the Clenis, since he left office.
If there were a chance of her winning the nomination, without sliming Obama and arguing he is unelectable and that McCrazy is better prepared to be president, it might be different. She should bow out of her futile campaign now. Spare us a rehash of Monica and Bill. Please.
Go Hillary. Go away!
_April 7, 1996, Easter Sunday. Mrs. Clinton had no public schedule. Lewinsky said that, at the president's suggestion, she performed oral sex while he was on the telephone in his office.
_Feb. 28, 1997
Next encounter is nearly a year later. Must of felt really guilty over the Easter Sunday thing. Almost 12 years ago now. Think we'll be talking about the "preacher man" in 12?
http://www.rhapsody.com/arethafranklin/thisgirl...
....in a CNN interview he says: "In some ways this, this controversy has actually shaken me up a little bit and gotten me back into remembering that the odds of me getting elected have always been lower than some of the other conventional candidates."
Clinton campaign is saying: Sen. Obama Says Hillary Is More Electable
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6632
Meanwhile they've decided that McCain is a Serious Expert in these matters and that national security is his strength, and evidence to the contrary won't be reported.
After Hillary shamed Barack Obama as if she were the mistress of the house and the slave boy was caught stealing a pie, because Obama says she ONCE supported NAFTA, it appears from her schedule that she DID! The blue collar workers in Ohio were LIED to!
On November 10, 1993, Hillary met with 120 people in a closed meeting where she promoted NAFTA for her husband.
No wonder there were 4800 pages blacked out from the 11,000 pages of her schedules. Maybe somebody will be in trouble for overlooking this entry.
Is this 2.0? Thank you, John.
I was at the Denver vigil against the war last night. Only 200 showed up, which is a drop from previous years. Before the war started, I was at a demonstration in Colorado Springs where 2000 showed up.
Americans are becoming apathetic about the war. They are getting a sanitized version of it on their corporate media. The war is starting to hurt the economy, maybe that is when they will finally get off their fat asses.
I'm an old grump and don't like ANYTHING new.
But I'm getting used to it.
I don't like the reply function though, I'd rather read a straight chat where all posts are in order by time.
Harrumph.
Please don't give out my secret identity. I have enough problems with reich wingnut whackos these days as it it.
Tom3
It also keeps OT discussions from clogging up the works. If someone wants to start swapping recipes for possum pie, they can do that in one thread.
I would like to suggest that we do NOT use the reply function and always use the post window at the top. This would preserve the flow of the chat.
US legal system 'worse than Russia'
A survey shows that European in-house lawyers would rather face litigation in China and Russia than in America
Michael Herman
Fear of the American legal system has created an atmosphere in which lawyers working for European businesses would prefer to face a major dispute in Russia or China than the US, a study has revealed.
A survey of 180 in-house counsel working in five European countries identified the US as the jurisdiction they were keenest to avoid, with 29 per cent naming it the country they were most concerned about facing a major dispute in.
The US attracted almost twice as many votes as Russia and China. Despite fears of political interference and corruption in their legal processes, both were named by just 16 per cent of in-house counsel as their most feared jurisdiction.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/...
So, I see this as a good thing -- although the Bush Crime Family is trying hard to make us as corrupt as Russia and China.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/comm...