DISQUS

sittenpretty · 1 year ago

its time for some fresh thinking inDC....throw the old bums out,they are bankrupting us

nicho · 1 year ago

I don't think the Democratic infighting helps at all.

In fact, I think both candidates -- if they want to show us how "qualified" they are -- should do it by going after Bush and McCain. Rather than having Hillary's troops going through Obama's trash and digging out stuff he did 20 years ago, it would be better if Hillary would launch a blistering fusillade against Bush and McCain and tell us how she'd do better. Then, I'd think a little better of her.

I'd much rather support a Democratic candidate because I thought he/she was a good fighter against Republicans, rather than hold my nose and support someone because he/she had less garbage dug up by other Dems or because he/she bulldozed his/her way to the nomiation.

Each time they or their supporters talk about the other Dem, instead of about McCain, they're giving McCain a free ride.

Actually, the prolonged Dem primary could be turned to a positive advantage, if there were two Dems bashing Bush and McCain on a daily basis. But, they're blowing that opportunity.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

McCain got caught lying about how we "know" that al Qaeda training is proceeding in Iran. He didn't even know why that would be obviously implausible.

Senile old farts make lousy bullshitters.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Dave, Crooksandliars has the clip from Fixed news with Lindsey Graham going on and on about Iran killing Americans. The neo cons have a hard on for attacking Iran and it appears all the brownshirts have their talking points and marching orders. Ashard as they are trying to sell an Iranian threat, I fear they will attack before the election, allowing Bush to declare martial law and ending the elections. Obama must stop responding to the Clinton nonsense and use the media attention he is getting to go after this trumped up attack to take us into another killing field.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Unless the ditto-heads flush Clinton's coffers, she won't last past North Carolina, letting her leave on her time table and avoiding her claims of Obama being the illegitimate Dem nominee, which is sure to come if she if "forced" by the facts. Obama needs to pivot completely away from Clinton and start his campaign against McBombIran now.

jr · 1 year ago

McCain's constant lying that think progress has noted is being ignored by the media and the media are constantly puffing McCain as shown on Media Matters. Hillary needs to pull out now. Everything she says about Obama is helping McCain

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

These wet kiss McStain stories are utter nonsense to all but the corporate-minded news crowd who fall fresh and innocent from the back end of the turnip truck each and every bright sunny day...
Rethug fantasy strategeries remind me of junkies forced into rehab...lots of scream and curse filled denial moderating to sweetly wheedling denial before ratcheting up again to the scream and curse variety.

SteamingPile · 1 year ago

So watching the news is kinda like watching the movie, "50 First Dates" where Drew Barrymore has been assigned to the McCain campaign. Yep, that's about right

SteamingPile · 1 year ago

That's a good point. Note that HRC is getting all cozy with the likes of R. M. Scaife. Would he support Hillary because he suddenly changed his mind about her, or because he wants to throw a monkey wrench into the works that is the Democratic candidate selection process?

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Jacki

I said last week that come November I wouldn't vote for Hillary, I despise her almost as much as I despise George Bush. A week has gone by (talk about short attention span) and I now realize that I will vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it may be. I don't think I am alone in this. But this brings up another thought, just as I would pull the lever for Hillary (hope I don't have to) so will Republicans pull the lever for McCain, they may not like him but when push comes to shove they will vote for him only because he is Republican.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

Hmm, stop by in Israel and make a false statement about how al Qaeda troubles originate in Iran, in spite of the fact that Iran is Shia and would have nothing to do with al Qaeda. I guess we know what McCain is planning to do for Israel.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

SarainKC,

Yep!

kenosharick · 1 year ago

I absolutly agree that this relativly mild primary fight will not hurt the Fall campaign. What will hurt is $200 million of commercials of Obama/wright and their various comments morphed and edited into a single entity in the public's mind- esp. the "reagan dems" that are needed to win this election. The Obama campaign today said Mo.,Va., and NC are part of their general election campaign (since they threw away Mich &Fla.- and cannot win Oh. or Penn). There is NO WAY he can win those states in a general with "god damn America" wright on the air every 15 min.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Kenosharick, You seem to be under the impression that the GOP will not use Clinton's numerous "misstatements" (they will not worry about being PC, they will call it out as LIES) if she gets the nomination. That somehow, after creating a cottage industry enriching themselves with endless Clinton smears and distortions that they will lay off her in the general? Are you kidding? They are simply holding fire on her now because they are strategic masters at this. She is the only prayer they have to get a weak candidate elected after 8 years of Republican ruin who is for continuing a war that over 70% of American's want out of. One thing we know is what's left of the GOP sheep would prefer to bankrupt their own children than allow another Clinton in the White House. Add that to the population that is sick and tired of constantly being lied to being reminded Hillary also has her problems telling the truth and McBombIran suddenly has a shot. They have her lying on tape. That's the kiss of death, dear.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

nicho

You are right, both Dems are blowing a tremendous opportunity to define McCain. McCain has made some major blunders, starting with his admission of lack of economic factors.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

This is exactly what Hillary is counting on that no matter what she does or how she goes after Obama or if she steals the nomination that Democrats will still vote for her. No wonder she won't drop out and feels like she can say whatever or do whatever against Obama because there are no consequences for her.

If Hillary was a true Democrat and wanted to do what was best for the country she would not be endorsing McCain over Obama

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

November is still over HALF A YEAR away.

Tons of shit can happen in Iraq and in the economy by then.

Prepare for the Landslide Punitive Election of 2008.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

Is anyone listening to Paulson? What he is laying out is just plain scary.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Older and Wiser- NEW WORLD ORDER.

McE · 1 year ago

McCain's a moderate, middle of the road, straight talking, non-politician who's going stop the partisan bickering and get Washington back to looking out for those hard working Americans who just want to live their lives.

What? Don't you watch the news?

The problem isn't Hillary or Obama running against John McCain, its Hillary or Obama running against the media version of St McCain.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

One of Paulson's reasons for trying to implement the most radical overhaul of the Fed since the Great Depression is that he (and they) trust the financial markets to continue their "responsible" behavior and discipline...

Yes, when pigs fly. Just as they have done with housing, and before that, tech stocks and the savings and loans...go ahead, let the foxes take over the henhouse. Reduce 5 regulatory agencies to 3...all under the canopy of the Fed. Grover Norquist must be proud.

TomJoad · 1 year ago

I sure don't know, but I don't think the pundits do either. I could also think that Mc Cain's people might be overplanning. Which, given his rigidity, might make them even less able to respond to feedback (forever now known as the Bush Syndrome...not able to process the effect of your policies, just blindly trusting that because you believe it works, it must). I mention it because I saw pundits claiming Obamas' camp might is being forced to respond to Clinton, instead of planning out the big strategy in the fall.

on CNN I saw someone trying to push the Clinton Mi and FLa flap, by parroting non-stop "well, why should these other states be marginilized...how come THEIR vote doesn't count? Shouldn't they also get to decide? This is one of the most important elections..."

And no one called him on the fact that it happens ALSO in presidential elections. Some states (like California) that are out on the west coast and another time zone, NEVER feel that their votes count for anything. It's over effectively before the polls there close.

theWalrus · 1 year ago

This whole "fight" thing is blown out of proportion - even Obama agreed. It's mostly fueled by the Media and HRC-haters. The current situation stymies the rightwing from beginning their all-out assult on the Dem nominee. That's a good thing. I'm sure they are frustrated. Assuming the Dem political machine begins to launch a full-scale, coordinated, easy to understand attack on McCain (why not start right NOW?), we'll have a Dem president in Nov.

I still believe holding the convention in late August was a big mistake by the DNC. It should be moved back to July (or even June...).

Indigo · 1 year ago

I think you've got it about right, Jacki. The aging Log Cabin Republicans around here in Orlando are telling me they're unlikely to bother to vote. Maybe they'll just go on an early-season cruise to the Costa Maya instead. It seems they "dont like either candidate." {Translation: McCain's all wrong and Obama's black . . . oh-my-goodness!} At a guess, the cruise ship will stop in the Grand Caymans where they'll make a $9,999.98 deposit in that quietly maintained off-shore account.

shell · 1 year ago

I agree with you except the key point: Hillary. I don't known how deranged she is. She says she will go all the way. Until August? November? And, whatever she chooses, the MSM will lap it up. I have heard that she is willing to ruin everyone, if she is "ruined."

Who knows if that is true? But if it is, it is really bad. All I can say is if she thinks that if she can't get the nomination, she will make it so that Obama can't win, and then she will be back in 2012. I can tell her for absolutely sureness, that will not work for her.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Which way will the media blow in November? Right now they are giving, for the most part, McCain a lot of love, will that continue?

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Slightly OT

Well, one thing that won't help McCain is pictures like the one at Huffington Post this morning. I laughed so hard, but then I do have a somewhat twisted view when it comes to humor. I swear the man looks like he is petrified and begging to be saved. Really it is worth taking a second or two just to see this picture.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Mike_H · 1 year ago

I completely agree... there may be a lot of "I won't vote if Hillary/Barack is the nominee, I'm going to take my vote and go home!" right now, when we're in the think of the contest, but ultimately both Clinton and Obama are much closer to each other in terms of policy than they are to McCain, and I think most reasonable adults who care about their country's future will vote for the Democrat, regardless of which one it is.

To do otherwise would simply be insanity.

Goodman · 1 year ago

>I think most reasonable adults who care about their country's future will vote for the Democrat, regardless of which one it is.

Not me. I won't vote for Hillary because I don't want the Republicans to take over Congress again, the way they did under Bill. If it was Clinton vs. McCain I'd rather have McCain oversee the continued self-distruction of the Republican party.

Mike_H · 1 year ago

That's the kind of thing that doesn't make any sense to me. While you would wait for the GOP to self-destruct, President McCain might increase the extreme right wing presence on the Supreme Court and in the Justice Department.

You'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face, essentially.

Goodman · 1 year ago

I don't think McCain is going to go for right wing extremists on the Supreme Court, and a Democratic Congress could block them if he tried. I also think the next President is due for a world of hurt, no matter who it is. They'll inherit a losing war, a recession, and a debt that's poised to explode. The next president isn't going to be very popular by year two. I think Obama may have the political skill to survive this. I don't think McCain or Clinton do though. I'd rather have a weak failing Republican president with a Democratic Congress, than a failing Democratic president and a Republican congress.

Mike_H · 1 year ago

Because the Democratic Congress has been so good about blocking right wing appointments to the Supreme Court so far??? Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, honestly.

Jamming the Supreme Court and federal courts with extremist right-wingers has been a stated goal of their movement for DECADES, and the Dems have basically rolled over and played dead EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Look how unpopular Bush has been for years and he still manages to get what he wants in terms of appointments and funding for the war. Popularity means nothing to the new imperial presidency, and whoever the next president is, they will inherit those imperial powers.

I don't trust McCain with those powers, no matter how unpopular you think he'll become. I think Bush has demonstrated that popularity means squat once you're already in that Oval Office.

The Republicans are not going to recapture Congress in November, their strategy is all about minimizing new losses -- and it's a stretch as to them turning it around enough to win it back in 2010.

So you're going to have a Dem congress no matter what. A Dem congress that will almost certainly continue to rollover and play dead if there's a Republican in the White House.

President McCain will be much more of a disaster than you are giving credence to.

slappymagoo · 1 year ago

I'm not telling you hotshots anything you don't already know but...

When it comes to the GOP...NOTHING HURTS. EVERYTHING HELPS.

If Obama & Clinton were joining hands in a giant peace circle in a meadow singing Kumbaya, that helps the Republicans, because it paints them as weak.

If O & C made a public agreement to stop any public attacks and focus their ire on McCain, that helps the Republicans because that means they recognize McCain as a threat.

If O & C just keep dign what they're doing, the partisan bickering helps McCain, because it divides our party.

Whoever wins the nomination, and whenever it's determined that that person won the nomination, that helps McCain because now they''re "playing catch up" to the oh-so-powerful McCain media machine (of which the person making the comparison will NEVER admit to being a part of, oh, no, they're just calling it as it is).

If McCain got caught eating a baby's head in an opium den, it helps McCain, because it proves he's "got the hunger" and "isn't afraid to get his hands dirty."

Pick any scenario that affects any presidential candidate, it benefits McCain. It's like inventing a game where only you know the rules, your team pretty much is bound to win.

kl8n · 1 year ago

It's not a battle. It's not party infighting. It's the PRIMARIES. This is what it's supposed to look like. Just because things usually don't matter past the first couple of primaries doesn't mean this is dragging on forever. Three months is not a drawn out battle.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

aquarius2,

Robert Duvall in Apocolypse Now

Goodman · 1 year ago

If the candiate is selected in June, the Dems will be fine. If the Dems don't have a candidate until the convention, it's a gift from God to McCain. It would be very difficult to put the party back together after all this and take on McCain in just two months.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

John McCain's cock eyed view of the world is dangerous in a Commander in Chief.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Agree, Jacki.

The vast majority of the country doesn't even focus on the race until after Labor Day.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Howard Dean gets a good lick in:

“While we honor McCain’s military service, the fact is Americans want a real leader who offers real solutions, not a blatant opportunist who doesn’t understand the economy and is promising to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years.”

tlsintx · 1 year ago

It's true that the winger AM talk show hosts do nothing but bash Obama one day, then Hillary the next. They never say a word about McCain. That's because McCain is as utterly incompetent as the current bunch of clowns in residence at the White House and the GOPers know it.

scottinsf · 1 year ago

I agree with Obama. Hillary should not drop out until the primaries are over. Just the sheer number of people registering as democrats and participating in each state is a great sign.

scottinsf · 1 year ago

Mike_H Today 09:58 AM
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I agree that voting for mccain because of dislike of Hillary is stupid. I would write in a candidate before voting for that senile coot.