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AMERICAblog: Are Hillary's latest attacks subtly racist, and intentionally so?

  • Filo · 1 year ago
    It is always Hillary's time of the month.
  • Dianne_in_DC · 1 year ago
    Thanks for promoting this comment. I completely agree. The senator from New York wants us to forget she was first lady of Arkansas.
  • catspur · 1 year ago
    Do you sometimes see faeries as well? Good grief.
  • Filo · 1 year ago
    Who would you rather do shots with?
  • Matthew Saroff · 1 year ago
    Well, I'd rather do shots with John McCain. I figure that it would be a good way to pick up some chicks, but that doesn't mean that I want him to be president.

    I'd sooner vote for a syphilitic goat than McCain.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    It's the Republican Noise Machine at work. Apparently Americans never learn and will fall for their tricks forever, or until WWIII or global warming destroy us all.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    As I wrote on the meritocracy thread below: Totally! Elitist is code (not too subtle, either) for "uppity" and "dicty." The useful tag "arrogant" gets trotted out, too, to describe both Obamas. HRC and McCain, their campaigns and stooges (I'm thinking of you, Ferraro), pundits like Brooks, Kristol and Tweety, and most of the brainless MSM all, all of them, deep-down want to put Obama and his wife in their place, which is subordinate. They wouldn't be happy unless they could recast them as Stepin' Fetchit and Butterfly McQueen: shufflin' and mumblin' on the one hand, and hysterical and servile on the other.
  • Mark in Florida · 1 year ago
    "McQueen: shufflin' and mumblin' on the one hand, and hysterical and servile on the other."

    Right on target.
  • HereinDC · 1 year ago
    DUH!
    Yes!
    It's more subtle than saying "boy"

    but the "Jesse Jackson" hit was a true example
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The real story this year, aside from Obama as the next FDR, is the failure of standard techniques employed to confuse the public mind.
    The relentless video overlearning that has, even before Hillary, grown so familiar since the 2000 election and 911 is losing the enchanting and confusing grip it has maintained since Kennedy was shot...
    And, as much as I like Obama's ability to calmly frame the issues, there's something equally attention-grabbing about the $4 gasoline and sky-rocketing grocery prices brought about by 7 years of Rethuglican misrule.
  • islalvr · 1 year ago
    Being from Louisiana, I too immediately recognized the "elitist" moniker as being used to induce "uppity n....." thoughts in the minds of Southerners. I was afraid to post the thought on any board/forum, because people of the South immediately jump all over the poster.....so, it should be added that the "uppity" label is only in the minds of SOME Southerners, not all. Hillary is doing it now, but in the general, watch for the McCain campaign to do the same thing.....anything at all to cause the Old-Guard Southerners to think "uppity."
  • malcontends · 1 year ago
    Hillary Clinton's evolving attacks to define and brand Barack Obama involve what advertising and marketing professionals call impressions—the projection of one image (in this case Barack Obama) onto one human brain (a voter).

    We have seen the impressions of Barack Obama as Muslim, Black, stranger, unsteady, Ken Starr, creepy, inexperienced, and so on
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    John, great catch! MSNBC aired footage moments ago from an Obama rally in PA, where an older white guy said those exact words to Obama directly. The PA voter said Hillary should be called out for this bigoted code word smear, Obama, as usual, dismissed it as desperate politics from the Clinton campaign.
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    John asks " Are Hillary's latest attacks subtly racist, and intentionally so?" and I answer a resounding YES!

    I am so disgusted by the Clinton's continual attacks focusing on CODE language that gets the message across yet shrouds it with "some" sort of cover. After years and years of financial and written support, I was shocked when Billie boy first began on his racist diatribe back in South Carolina, which is when I began to review my feelings for the man. Both he and his wife use whatever they can to attain power, both party and nation be damned!

    Now isn't that Presidential!
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    You'll have to be careful with the "nation be damned" remark. It's that kind of remark that started the "Obama" bashing campaign to begin with.

    Just joking, and totally in agreement with you on the matter:) Hillary and Bill are very aware of the social and political ramifications of "code" language. I'm just praying there are enough good people in Pennsylvania and across America that won't buy into it.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
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  • HereinDC · 1 year ago
    You don't have to be a "Southerner"
    There are plenty with this mentality here in Maryland.
  • ClintonHater · 1 year ago
    pew poll shows that poor countries cling to religion:
    http://rbsp.info/rbs/RbS/PROCRUSTES/pew2.jpg
  • cmpnwtr · 1 year ago
    James Clyburn said way back in SC that the Clintons knew exactly what they were doing. They are using racial encoding for sure, this couple is sociopathic when it comes to power.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
  • freewayblogger · 1 year ago
    Fox News on Gettysburg Address:

    http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2008/04/will...

    enjoy!
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Hillary lied again. Her campaign claims support from 100 PA mayors...but only 18 showed up. That's hillaryous!!!! :-)
    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view...
  • SandieInPA · 1 year ago
    I was wondering why they pulled the story from the local online newspaper.
  • Daniel73 · 1 year ago
    You guys are bitter, Okay. Are you also racist because of your situation. That is what Oama said. So according to the Obama people who claim after all they most educated and wealthy in our party you people are dumb racist hicks who sleep with their guns because they are afraid of an invasion form "furners" and pray to God that the black guy doesn't win.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Hillary wants to fit in with the Fuhrmanites on Fox News who think Barack is "uppity"
  • grasshopper · 1 year ago
    Let me think about it...well yeah it's racist. No one batted an eye when Bill Clinton and Jim Webb said essentially the same thing that rural, working class whites are cynically used to vote against their self interest every election cycle by whipping them into a frenzy over hot button issues (God, Guns and Gays). But when a black man says it, holy shit he's an elitist which is code for uppity negro. It plays into the whole scary black man meme. Obama is a manchurian candidate, a secret muslim and an afro-centric nationalist. If elected he will put all the whites in jail and Louis Farrakhan will stand over them with a whip while making them them recite the Qu'ran. Pathetic.
  • ClintonHater · 1 year ago
    Daniel73 0 minutes ago

    Are you for real? You write like a 7 year old (or a hick) then expect us to take you seriously. When did hillbillies learn how to use a computer?
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    It's not just a Southern phenomenon, it's an American, even human, resentment of the successful Other (all of which merely confirms what Obama was suggesting, however imperfectly, about the divisions and conflicts the powerful can manipulate among the mass of the electorate in order to maintain power). Racism and class conflict operate according to complex conscious and unconscious dynamics of fear and loathing. One news feature quoted an Pennsyltuckian saying he would never vote for Obama because he is "arrogant." Nothing more was or needed to be said about that voter's hatreds and anxieties. Multiply that by hundreds and hundreds of thousands and you've got an indication of the epic challenge Obama faces...
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    What I beleived happened was that the Clintons and DC insiders and the Media, thought Americans would never nominate
    or even vote for a black man, but Americans surprised the Clinton's and the Pundits and Obama is winning the nomination so it is not really the voters being racist it is Hillary and Bill and her supporters plus the Media overpaid hacks that are trying to make this about race and trying to spin it like it is actually the voters. I said this when the primary was first starting, that the Clinton's were going to say that even though Hillary is a woman she is a white woman.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    Right on target! As an African American, these are issues I've tried to steer clear of. However, it's refreshing to hear it from the mouth of someone who can be "purely" objective.

    John Aravosis is on the "inside", and knows the time of day.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Breaking.....

    Obama’s Explanation of “Controversial” Remarks Moves Democrats and Independents
    -- Among All Parties: More than Half Agree with His Comments --
    http://www.mediacurves.com/press_releases/Press...
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Oh, one other thing: while nobody uses the phrase "White Elite" to describe power in America (because that power operates invisibly and unquestioningly), the phrase "The Black Elite" is a well-defined and long-standing term to describe power within this particular race and subculture. HRC and McCain and their stooges are playing a VERY dangerous and ultimately racist game here tagging the Obamas with elitist credentials...
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    Well Ms Richards! Your "take" on the matter is surgical. It makes me 'tingle' when I get this kind of affirmation from perfect strangers. She is indeed playing a dangerous game. On the other hand, she knows something about human nature that many whites are still not yet aware of.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Oh, one other thing: while nobody uses the phrase "White Elite" to describe power in America (because that power operates invisibly and unquestioningly), the phrase "The Black Elite" is a well-defined and long-standing term to describe power within this particular race and subculture. HRC and McCain and their stooges are playing a VERY dangerous and ultimately racist game here tagging the Obamas with elitist credentials...
  • SPatrick · 1 year ago
    This post is a racist attack on Hillary Clinton. Honestly, have you nothing of substance to stand on so you go back to calling everyone a racist? Ridiculous and embarassing.
  • SPatrick · 1 year ago
    Maybe Senator Obama should post a manual and include all of the "subtle" words that cannot be used to describe him. Elitist=Uppity=Black? Over the top!
  • Mark in Florida · 1 year ago
    Every thing Obama said was spot on correct. People cannot handle the truth.
  • SPatrick · 1 year ago
    Let me add, does this mean that no person of color can ever *be* elitist? What if someone is truly elitist? Is there a non-code word that can be used to describe them or is the topic of elitism comploetely verboten altogether?
  • SandieInPA · 1 year ago
    I meant the 100 mayors story. It just disappeared.
  • ericgoldman · 1 year ago
    So when Hilary suggested that Al Gore and John Kerry lost their Presidential bids because they were perceived as elitist, she was suggesting that they were uppity black men?

    Nice try. Next!

    E-
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    I don't think it's racist. It's a right-wing slur, however, because they've convinced people that elitist = liberal = bad = traitor = unAmerican.

    What enrages me is that Hillary seems to be taking her plays from Karl Rove and Roger Ailes' playbook. That kind of makes me foam at the mouth, because that's the shit we should be getting away from.

    Every negative attack by HillBilly pushes me closer and closer to Obama.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Every negative attack by HillBilly pushes me closer and closer to Obama.

    Yeah, but that is foolishly again the better of two evil choices. What isn't foolish and makes me seriously consider Obama is how well he handles these attacks. He demonstrates a lot of character, class and also intelligence in handling Hillary's "kitchen sink." Hillary demonstrates the opposite. She is demonstrating exactly what we've already had too much of in 8 years, lack of character, class and intelligence. And, the most impressive thing about Obama is that he seems to be growing, gaining in stature and statesmanship. Perhaps, I'm reading too much into it, but Obama seems to be a real leader. I'm still not very comfortable that he was a corporate candidate, but I am hoping he no longer has any need of alliegance to the corporations, elitists, and power brokers since most of his financing is grassroots. If he turns his back on the fat cats, this man may rise to be one of our greatest presidents ... if they don't assassinate him out of terror for what he could do.
  • Mike_H · 1 year ago
    This strikes as more than jsut a bit of a stretch, it's inventing something that isn't there. I realize some of her campaign's tactics have been crude, but really, let's not blame her for things that are in our minds, not in her words.

    This kind of reading too much into every turn of phrase is exactly the same line of attack that Obama supporters complain about when it is directed at Obama, so let's not have double-standards here.

    There are enough legitimate problems with some of her campaign tactics without veering off into stuff like this.
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    Mike_H 0 minutes ago
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    I am sorry, but that is just plain nonsense! Code language has been used for years and years to convey a specific message while shrouding the speaker with some form of protection. What you speak of is that exact shroud and NOT the actual intent.

    Hillary's campaign is made up of some of the supposed Best of the Brightest in the Business (although they have fumbled this campaign nonstop) and they know all too well what they are doing.
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    When you call a black man an elitist it is racist, just like when you call a black man "boy", it is racist.
    If you call a white man an elitist is has a totally different meaning , just like when you can a white man "boy", it is almost like an affection for him like a good old boy.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Eric, Nicho--of course, "elitist" is a slur operating along the axis of class: it means "limousine liberal" and worked to demonize Gore and Kerry. But along the axis of race, the slur ALSO and additionally conveys connotations of a threat to white power. For McCain and his lil' new frenemy Hillary "elitist" directed against the Obamas is a "two-fer."
  • Matthew Saroff · 1 year ago
    Sorry, but you, and reader 37, are well into an Ann Althouse level of silliness.

    It's not sexist when Obama calls Hillary "Annie Oakley", and its not racist when Hillary calls Obama "Elitist". It's called campaigning, and I think that supporters on both sides need to stop whining and go out and knock on some doors in Pennsylvania or Indiana or North Carolina.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    I'm not done with this one yet! Here is a quote from Slick Willie! I'm at a loss why the main steam media doesn't jump on this kind of news?!



    As the rumination continues over Barack Obama''''s comments about Economically-Depressed Small Town Voters, Statements made by Bill Clinton on the SAME TOPIC --

    Uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.

    "The reason (George H. W. Bush''''s tactic) works so well now is that you have all these (Economically Insecure White People) who are Scared To Death,"

    Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.
  • ericgoldman · 1 year ago
    Also, I'm wondering if Barack's derisive description of Hilary as "Annie Oakley" out in the duck blind is an attempt to raise the specter of gender in the election. Because the thought of women hunting is just so gosh-darned funny. . .
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    ericgoldman 12 minutes ago
    ===================================

    There are lots of great women hunters, but perhaps you should reconsider with whom you hunt...

    Just a thought.
  • bretai · 1 year ago
    This is starting to get serious ...

    A lot of us sit here and wonder why she is still in the race when she can't win. At some point someone is going to start using other reasons to explain this besides vanity and the desire for power. Maybe the alleged "he can't win" comment served as the real insightful moment. Assuming that was actually said, what do you think she or they meant by that?

    The point is that at some point the list of reasons why she is willing to damage the democratic party will need to be explained. Undoubtedly, some will put forward that she is TOTALLY racist and can't stand the thought of a black man being president. Another explanation might be that she is ok with a black president but is willing to play on and take advantage of those that aren't ok with it. If the latter is the case, is that actually better?

    Republicans for years have been telling the black community that democrats really don't care about you and that they're just using and taking advantage of your support. Might this actually be true?

    However this election turns out, there is more than we can imagine at stake. If Obama doesn't win the election or the nomination (especially the nomination), how will it be explained? Who will do the explaining?
    Some will say that he lost it because he was elitist, some will say that he lost it because of rev. wright, some will say he lost it because of some future blunder. But some will say he lost it because he was black. If these people can actually make that case by the time its all over, what will happen then? Can you imagine what will happen then???

    One of the reasons I support Obama is his message of change. And just his existence in the race is an example of the change he can bring. I have a feeling that America and more specifically White America is going to have some heavy soul searching to do when this is all over. That is assuming that they care to do it. And most people say they do.
  • Whyputaname · 1 year ago
    {Are Hillary's latest attacks subtly racist, and intentionally so?}

    I don't know the comment that Obama made could also be subtly racist as well! But it would be different if it was Clinton that said that comment now wouldn't it. obama supporters would be all over it.

    There you people go again have to play that race card. Can't live with out it...hell no!

    Obama and his wife are as racist as can be, they and their supporters will play it till the end.
  • MorgaineSwann · 1 year ago
    It's not even subtly racist, it's blatantly racist. Why not just call him an uppity n***** and get it over with? And the idea of a rich white bitch and the oldest, whitest man in the Senate saying it is galling. I was on the fence about the Hillary/Obama thing before, but when she started making an issue out of nothing, that was it for me - I'm done with the Clintons forever.

    Go BARACK! I hope to walk away with Pennsylvania!
  • davidx · 1 year ago
    I don't see a lot of substantive difference between these two candidates. I've been leaning towards Obama, but I'm nearly ready to throw my support to Hillary. Why? If Obama wins, it will be all too easy to treat any criticism of the man as attributable to hidden racist motives, as the stupid post above illustrates. We cannot afford having a president making bad decisions and then letting his supporters tactically silence criticism with baseless accusations of racism at every turn. In addition to being terrible for race relations, the result would likely be a subtle but disastrous pattern of self-censorship by journalists and policy-makers who would fear being smeared for legitimately criticizing a black president. I'm beginning to think the country isn't ready for it.
  • pcvirginiabeach · 1 year ago
    This one is not about all about race... it is about geographical seperation/ rural v urban ideology and class.... so of course it smacks of racism too. The bottom line, these kinds of debates are stupid, but they can work. The republicans always try to cast Democrats as elite out of touch liberals... and it works IF the postions the candidates have on the issues back up such claims, especially on gun control. For example... Hillary Clinton and Obama both have really poor ratings on gun control. Hence this attack by Hillary will not work. Hillary has an F rating from the NRA.

    The Democrats do this too... with the Republicans... saying they are "only for the Rich", and this works... IF the Candidates hold postions that support such claims... in this example... Hillary has a record for NAFTA, Obama against... so....

    Anyhow.... it is amazing to me how many Democrats are using race in this election... I have seen examples of outright racism in a liberal chatroom that I frequent... from Hillary supporters whom I once liked... no longer. They take the Ferraro position with Barrack, and chat about Michelle Obama in the same vain... making ridiculous statements about her being advantaged because she is black. I have seen some pretty nasty racial stuff coming from "liberals"... it is truly disgusting.
  • Judd · 1 year ago
    Vile.
    sickening.
    filthy.

    These are the words that come to mind when I think of what Americablog has become.

    You should release the stats on the number of hits you get by posting these overdramtic headlines, and the $$$$$ you make as a result.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    Americablog is cutting edge, and I hope it continues to post the truth about real-world politics. You'd be better off over at the Fox-news dump!

    Which reminds me! I'd better make a contribution to the blog.