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AMERICAblog: Attendee list for $1,000 a head DNC gay fundraiser leaked

  • frizbeesf · 5 months ago
    I just recieved an email from the DNC via Barackobama.com. Like many such emails I get on a regular basis, it was talking about what the Adminstration is doing and asking me to "Donate Now" This particular email was on health care reform and the subject like was :

    "This is why"

    Here is my response:
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    From: *******@aol.com
    To: info@barackobama.com
    Date:Tue, Jun 16, 2009 10:25 am

    Mr President,

    I read the email you sent me entited "This is why". I am not responding to your email's subject. On the issue of health care reform you and I largely agree. You have even met with my boss, George Halvorson, to discuss that issue on a number of occasions.

    I am writng to tell you that I cannot donate any more money to you, nor can I give any money to the Democratic party.

    This is why...

    You have said loudly and clearly that, even though I was born here, I am not an equal citizen of the United States. You have said loudly and clearly that my relationship with my partner, is no different that an incestuous relationship between an Uncle and his niece.

    In the brief your administration filed last week in full throated defense of DOMA; you made it clear that you were lying when as a candidate you said you felt the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was abhorrent. You have also made it clear that all your statements about LGBT equality were nothing more than campaign rhetoric to enlist my financial support.

    Mr. President, if you truly think that in the space of less than a week, you can call me unworthy of equal protection under the law then, turn around and ask me for money? You are either compeltely out of touch with reality, or the smarmiest poltical opportunist since Karl Rove.

    Not much hope there Mr. President, but a lot of audacity, I'll give you that.

    So no, Mr. President, I will not "Donate Now!", or ever again. Nor will any of my family or friends "Donate Now", until we hear from you, an equally full throated apology for the hateful, bigoted and discriminatory things your Adminstration has said about me, about my family and about millions of Americans just like me.

    Doctor Howard Dean, last night on MSNBC was very careful to emphasize how much better the LGBT community is with the Democratic Party in power than we were or would be under the GOP. To be honest, I am not so sure anymore.

    Your actions last week, have given me cause to think It might actaully be better to fight honest enemies, who I know are going to try to stab me in the front, than have to worry about a dishonest friend who I never know when they are going to stab me the back.

    This, Mr. President is why, I no longer trust you.

    Sincerely
    David Fabie
    San Francisco, CA
  • Leo Cuevas · 5 months ago
    I received the same email and responded accordingly, like you!
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    Excellent. Shame them all.
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    Yours was much better than mine, but I also responded to the "This is Why" emails I received today. I also said I will no longer be donating until our equality rights are forcefully addressed.
  • HowardS · 5 months ago
    Patient? You have got to be kidding me! At least with Bush\cheney everyone knew exactly where they stood on every issue. With this administration they play nothing but games. Do people forget the invocation at the inaugural? Has anyone heard Obama actually mutter any words in support of gay marriage? The reality is that Obama wants to be all things to all people and is really nothing to anyone. He does not stand up for the people that brought him here. He has been intellectually dishonest. No more money from me!
  • Mark · 5 months ago
    I just had an extremely frustrating conversation with Congressman Frank's office. I think they nearly hung up on me, but the tone changed slightly when I made it clear that I live in Frank's district.

    I spoke to a young man I could best describe as disinterested, though he claimed to share my concerns and assured me that he did in fact know what I was talking about. After putting me on hold, he let me know that that the Congressman's office is "still putting together a statement," so he can't tell me anything more, but he assured me that my comments were being "passed on."

    He also told me that he didn't think I needed to "worry about whether or not Congressman Frank shares [my] opinion, but that it's just a matter of when and how he responds."

    I explained that I wasn't particularly interested in the Congressman's opinion, because that should be pretty clear, and that I'm much more interested in what the Congressman plans to do about it.
  • James76 · 5 months ago
    I think I spoke to the same guy a minute ago. Got the same sort of treatment, like he rather be golfing than talking to me. I also asked if Frank still planned to serve as a host for the DNC fundraiser and he said the congressman was "still considering his options," whatever that means.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    I'm sure it's not unlike Obama saying the same thing to his staff trying to figure out how he's going to get the sh*t off his shoe from stepping in last Friday. It seems to be sticking to it instead of coming off.
  • Mimikatz · 5 months ago
    I just unsubscribed from Obama's list as well and told them that from now on my "political" money goes to the ACLU to fight for the issues I care about since Obama clearly doesn't. I supported him in 2004 and first gave to his presidential campaign in 2006. Plus I gave quite a bit to congressionals in 2006 and 2008. I'm done with that for now. I'd rather give to groups that really do fight for what I believe in and for my money the ACLU does the best all-around job, covering both GLBT issues, torture and other civil liberties issues.
  • ARockey · 5 months ago
    MORE PEOPLE NEED TO CALL. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE PROTESTS AT THE FUNDRAISER TOO. I called all three offices and spoke to aide at each:

    Rep. Frank 12:45PM I said I am an attorney and a lesbian from NC and that I was calling about this DNC fundraiser that BF is co-chairing next week & the DOMA brief. I said BF is our greatest spokesperson in Congress, and he needs to say something about the DOMA brief. I said it was outrageous that Obama said he was against DOMA, yet his admin filed that DOMA brief last week. Aide sd he will pass that message along and he said, "I think something is in the works." I said I hope so and thanked him.

    Rep Baldwin -- I gave my same comments above, and I added that she and Barney Frank need to speak out on the DOMA brief. She took my name & I told her that's my website if she needs contact info. I thanked her.

    Rep Polis -- I gave my same comments above to the other two, and I added that Obama needs to apologize to us and to fix this by filing an amended brief. I said they could just argue standing in the amended brief. They did not need to go into all these bigoted arguments that would have kept Obama's parents' marriage illegal. I said this is much worse than what Letterman did to Palin. I said Polis needs to take a stand on this issue along with Tammy Baldwin and Barney Frank. I said they need to get together on this and speak out. I said the DNC should not get one penny until this problem is fixed. He took my name, email and address, and said he would relay the strength of my message. I thanked him.
  • fitzdat · 5 months ago
    Just got off the phone with a gentleman from Rep. Frank's Newton, Mass office. His response was that as he wasn't a spokesman for Rep. Frank he could offer no answer as to why Rep. Frank has not made any public statement about the DOJ's Thursday attack on the LGBT community. When pressed on the issue, he his response was that it was a good question why the congressman has said nothing.
  • Leo Cuevas · 5 months ago
    I called too, sounds like Rep. Baldwin will be issuing a statement this afternoon?

    For those that tell us to wait, my first presidential election was for Bill Clinton, we waited and waited and waited and nothing happened... however, he never released a despicable brief equating Gays to incest and pedophiles, this is the last straw for me and my partner. Year after year of donating to the DNC and other DEM candidates and volunteering for months for local, state and national elections, with no results to show? My wallet and support for the party is over, UNTIL I see DOMA and DADT repealed, I will not support any DEM candidate.

    We can spend BILLIONS to bail out corrupt banks, BILLIONS to bail out the auto industry, we can quickly pass laws that spy and deny American rights like the Patriot Act ... BUT, BUT we can't help give Gay Americans EQUAL RIGHTS under a Democratic President and Congress!? What is wrong here!?
  • Gene · 5 months ago
    Since 1971, we have never waivered in our principled support for the LGBT community: www.outrightusa.org
  • Travis · 5 months ago
    Obama just sent out an email asking his supporters to donate on behalf of health care. I just unsubscribed from his email list and told them why I did it; DOMA and their DOJ brief. I encourage everyone to leave his email list and withhold donating any money to him or the party until we see our fierce advocate come to our aid.
  • Jude · 5 months ago
    I unsubscribed from his mailing list and when asked why I was leaving, wrote: "I thought that Democrats believed in civil rights for ALL. Obviously I was wrong". A small gesture but satisfying nonetheless.
  • richard · 5 months ago
    I too just unsubscribed from the Obama donation email list and gave the reason that I couldn't support any Democrat financially until DADT and DOMA are overturned.
  • eclare · 5 months ago
    Ugh. I did that waaaaaay back during the Rick Warren debacle, stating that I would sign up again if the President made any progress on ENDA, DADT, and DOMA. Maybe I should have specificied that I was hoping for FORWARD progress, not backwards.
  • lavenderpop · 5 months ago
    I didn't unsubscribe, but I reminded them of the money I gave during the campaign and that I will not donate again until the President and the Democratic party stop treating the gay community as an afterthought.
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    No Gay Rights, No Gay $$

    That should be the bottom line for all gays.
  • DavidinPS · 5 months ago
    Exactly. NOT ONE PENNY!!! To any candidates up or down ticket. Get all the pols screaming to the national orgs that they can't raise funds from the gays anymore.
    We also need to pressure EVERYONE to pull out of this event. Not only not attend, but they must demand their money back.
  • sonofloud · 5 months ago
    It's time to stop giving money to the Democratic Party until they choose a president who supports our equality.
    Our $$$ will speak much louder than our votes.
    I switched to the Green Party after being a Democrat all my life.
  • Kenneth White Jnr · 5 months ago
    You could also consider donations to either the Green Party or Libertarian Party (as both are for marriage equality, the repeal of DADT, and individual civil liberties) in protest of the Democrat Party unwillingness to uphold its end of the bargin.
  • Dreamdogs · 5 months ago
    Hello!

    I have called all three Congress members. I informed them of my concern with Obama's silence on Gay Marriage after Iowa, New Hampshire and California. I further stated that after 3 months of silence Obama made a pathetic joke about Gay Marriage at the correspondence dinner in DC. I further stated how disturbed we were at the Obama Justice Department's filling two briefs defending Don't ask and Doma. In addition I explained that Justice did not have to file the briefs and how insulating the actual text of the Briefs were. I then asked them to cancel the Gay DNC fund raiser. I further asked why aren't the Democrats speaking out about Gay issues and criticizing Obama for his silence inaction and now his actions on DOMA and Don't ASK?

    I received no answer to my last question!
    The following are the responses I have gotten. All three Congressman had no comments on the Gay DNC fundraiser. In fact they seemed surprised by the suggestion to cancel the event.

    Frank's office was aware of Obama's silence, the content of Justices legal briefs and knew and understood we were ANGRY and the GAY community is considering a boycott of the DNC. Frank's office said they will be issuing a statement latter this week.

    Baldwin's office was aware of Obama's silence. The office was aware of Justices briefs however, they had not read the briefs but knew of some of the content. I was told they would read the briefs and they would have a statement today. I made it clear that we are angry we believe Obama knew of the briefs and the content. I also advised the office that we are not going to be satisfied with Obama having to defend the law or claim ignorance at the content of the briefs. The office was also surprised when I said the Gay community is going to boycott the DNC until we see positive action taken by Obama!

    Congressman Polis office stated he was unhappy about Obama's silence. He had heard about the Justice Briefs but did not now their content! I explained the two Justice Department Briefs and their content! The office seemed surprised! Polis's office was also surprised at my request to stop the Gay fundraiser for the DNC. I also expressed our anger at Obama! We do not believe Obama has any intent to help on Gay issues. In fact his actions have actually hurt our cause. Polis is going to read the briefs and make a statement today.

    I believe these Congressman have not received enough calls from the Gay community. They are all sympathetic. However, I think they want to believe Obama will come through at the end. I see no evidence of this. In fact I believe Obama is a Homophobic! I believe it is important to first have a massive calling to these three Congress members and then to key leaders of the Democratic Party in the Senate and the Congress. Speaker Pelosi's constituents are 70% gay! I also think we should reach out to Rachel Maddox on MSNBC and Bill Maher.
  • Randy · 5 months ago
    Several people are commenting that we should 'wait' for our rights. Okay, fine. We'll wait for SSM, I guess because we have to.

    But we dont' have to wait for the repeal of DADT. More to the point, though, repealing DADT is NOT a gay rights issue. Rather, it is an issue for all Americans. They have dismissed dozens of Arab linguists because they are gay. That's not a gay rights issue -- it's an issue of national security!

    I just don't understand anyone arguing, well, it sure would be nice if our military had a grip on communications from the enemy, but gosh, winning two wars is just not as important as saving the economy. It just doesn't make any sense why anyone would argue that this issue must wait. Wait until when? Terrorists blow up our military bases? Wait until we really get serious about winning the wars?

    I'll say it now: anyone who isn't in favor of the immediate repeal of DADT hates our troops and wants the enemy to win. Because that is exactly what you are doing.
  • Ben · 5 months ago
    A straight Ally here. I love my sister and her wife and will do anything for them.

    The fact that DOJ is claiming that DOMA is constitutional because GLBT folks have the right to heterosexual marriage enfuriates me.

    If DOJ wants to claim this is a state issue then DOJ should not be giving any federal benefits to any married couple at all and leave it at the states. Their argument is bunk.

    I support this site and I and many of my allied friends are behind you.
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    Thank you for not telling us to sit down and be quiet
  • DavidinPS · 5 months ago
    I'm against the October March on Washington--too unfocused--but how about one next week focused precisely on the Mandarin Oriental Hotel and this fundraiser.
    Twenty thousand or so angry gay/democratic protesters outside a gay/democratic event.
    Bet the MSM might hit on that.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Exactly - get 1,000 gay people outside that hotel and it will have far more impact than 1 million on the mall
  • caphillprof · 5 months ago
    5pm, Thursday, June 25, 2009
    Mandarin Continental Hotel
    1330 Maryland Ave SW, in Washington DC

    closest METRO stop is Smithsonian Metro Station on blue/orange lines, Exit to USDA/Independence Ave (not to Mall), cross Independence and proceed south 2.5 blocks on 12th St SW to Maryland
  • HereinDC · 5 months ago
    in 9 days.

    Time to think of what our signs should say.
  • Kevin · 5 months ago
    Frank's office was rude-took my comment and hung up. I think he is going to stick with doing this and take any heat. Pois office was very nice but said that Pois is still undecided, so keep the calls coming! Baldwin's office was very sympathetic and said that the Congresswoman will be issuing a statement later today. I told the truth-I have donated to Baldwin's campaign as an out of state resident and won't in the future donate to her or the DNC if she still attends/hosts this fundraiser.

    Keep the calls coming! It might work!!
    No equality=No gay money!
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    Hi John,

    I called all three offices...Representatives Frank and Baldwin offices were busy. I did talk to someone in Representative Polis' office and POLITELY asked why Representative Polis was still being a part of this dinner. She seemed aware of this...I suspect that the calls are happening this morning.

    I'll try Frank and Baldwin's office later...I'm at work right now.

    FYI
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Great, and do let us know what you hear.
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    Just finished calling all three. Baldwin's office says they are preparing a statement expressing their "disappointment" and says it's a "high priority". The woman I spoke with was definitely on our side. Nothing from the other two other than saying they'd take my message.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    good, thanks
  • James M. Stutts · 5 months ago
    Hello AMERICAblog,
    I read your blog this morning and have just got off the phone talking to all three of the people listed in your story. I discussed the talking points as suggested. All three offices were very nice and said that they would pass the info along to the representatives. Baldwin and Polis took down my email address and said that someone would email me back.
    I also pointed out that the guest list to the fundraiser had been leaked, which caught all three offices off guard.
    Thanks for making this story available.
    Jimmy in Redwood City, CA
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Excellent, thank you :-)
  • scottinsf · 5 months ago
    Just finished calling all three. Very polite people answering the phones, unlike when I call my rep.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    I'm wondering why Speaker Pelosi has remained so silent on this? Does she think by not responding, we will give her a pass? If it is up to Congress, as Obama lyingly suggests, why hasn't she started pushing our equal rights issues through the House and then put the senator's feet to the fire?
  • jeff · 5 months ago
    I dont understand why we as a group get all upset each time a president changes what he says he is going to do for us. Clinton did it and now Obama. It is horrible yes, but at some point we just have to realize, we as a group are courted during the election and tossed aside afterward. Sad but true, it is up to us to stop this. We dont like this turn of events (the DOJ brief) remember that in the next election. Dont be so swayed by the shining new object in the sky, make sure that object is real.
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    Jeff, nicely worded and right on.
  • Edith · 5 months ago
    I just called all three. Jared Polis' staffer said Jared is planning on attending. Tammy Baldwin's staffer said she didn't know whether Tammy is attending or not. Barney Frank's staffer was not sure Barney is going to attend. This last staffer sounded conflicted as it seemed he was getting a lot of calls. I told all three that these Representatives should not attend.
  • larrydavid · 5 months ago
    Obama continues another Bush policy:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/



    So much for transparency. He cant stop breaking campaign pledges.
  • HereinDC · 5 months ago
    The Manderian Oriental Hotel is only 3 blocks South from the Smithsonian Metro Stop.
  • HereinDC · 5 months ago
    Did you see the first sentence of the letter?

    "Hey, so this is shaping up to be quite a dinner to CELEBRATE our progress...."

    Ummmm, a few states....blah blah blah....

    The Big Picture is GOOSE EGG !!! ZERO !
    It's no time to "celebrate"
  • MPetrelis · 5 months ago
    that is quite a list of A-gays mr. tobias names in his letter. can't recall the last time those folks left the suites and hit the streets for our equality.

    i'd totally support all those A-gays showing up at the justice department this week, next week, or this month, and staging an old-fashioned picket line:

    http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2009/06/if-irania...

    not sure what it will take for all those fine A-gays to show a little anger in the streets.
  • Õ¿Õ · 5 months ago
    Y'all can forget healthcare reform. Too much insurance lobby money in it. The hetero "progressives", who we were led to believe were our allies, threw us under the bus. We won't forget it was for nothing. Like we couldn't have real healthcare reform and human rights for gay people at the same time. It was a false choice to begin with and more like a reflex gays under bus throwing. I remember one getting mad at me for complaining and saying there wasn't anything I could do about it and who else would I vote for. ha ha What a joke. Jokes on them now.

    And I just laughs to myself. We'll see.
  • James76 · 5 months ago
    Interesting that all the progress in Tobias' email occurred at the state level without any support from the DNC, Congress or the White House. All the Obama admin gave us was flip joke at the correspondents dinner. One more reason not to give these jerks any more cash.
  • Mike in Iowa · 5 months ago
    Ya know, I just can't get myself to see citation to cases that hold that a state doesn't need to recognize a marriage from a jurisdiction with different age of consent laws or from a country that allow cousins to marry as comparing gay marriage to incest and pedophilia. Because its not the same and you know it. So why be disingenuous. Meanwhile, your rants and threats about any gays giving money to Obama is leading this one to send another $100 donation today. Who the fuck are you to assume you can tell other gays how to think and act, especially when you have to resort to shrieking "he called us pedophiles", he's comparing us to incest, to do so. Have you lost the ability to engage in grown up dialogue? Or is this just an effort at self aggrandizement.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Mike, I was just thinking about your parents, and their relationship, the way they talk together, the way they act together, the way they show affection for each other, and your parents' relationships got me thinking of when two close family members have sex or when a man marries a child....

    No offense intended.
  • kevinbgoode · 5 months ago
    Let's see. . .you don't understand what age of consent laws are, or the reasons for restricting family members from marriage. And you don't understand why it is insulting to use those comparisons to justify the defense of DOMA.

    And just where are you sending that $100 anyway?
  • nicho · 5 months ago
    You don't like aggrandizement -- and then tell us how much money you're donating. Irony is not dead. And, while you're at it, Obama just flip-flopped on White House transparency and said he's willingl to write a law banning single-payer health care in the US. So, you might want to dig a little deeper -- maybe $500 would help.
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    it was an Uncle marrying a neice. THis is the definition of "incest". Further to the point a brief would only cite a case they think is relevant to the issue at hand. So, if you cite a case asserting that a state can deny a marriage because it is incestuous and it is therefore BAD. You are saying that a same-sex marriage can also be denied in the same manner because it is ALSO BAD. They cited all of this without ever explaining what they thought was BAD enough about same-sex marriage for it to be treated in the same manner by a state as an incestuous marriage.

    Do you think it would be OKk for a brief to assert that because a state can ban incestuous marriages, they should also be able to ban a marriage if one of the partners has red hair? No, you say, because there's nothing wrong with having red hair. Fine, then what is the DOJ contending is WRONG with a same-sex marriage that makes it on a par with incest so that it is rational to deny its legality?
  • Adam · 5 months ago
    You and the gay community are becoming increasingly shrill. I sympathize with your perspective and believe ALL Americans are granted the SAME rights under the Constitution. However, I know for a fact that 18,000 Americans will die this year, because they lack affordable access to health care. I doubt a single American, gay or straight, will die because you cannot get married. My point is that the president is trying to do something with health care, that no one has been able to do since Teddy Roosevelt first tried to change it...reform health care and make sure EVERY American has health insurance. WE ALL know Clinton's attempt at taking on the military's gay policies cost us ALL health care last time around. Be patient...health care for all supersedes marriage for some. Sorry, sad, but true. There is only so much that can be done at one time. If at the end of the health care debate, if your communities issues have not been addressed...then go shriller still and you will probably fight a little more tolerance and support. I am just saying, you are beginning to turn off a lot of onetime supporters with your communities incessant whining!
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Yes, 18,000 Americans will die this year because of lack of health care. Too bad your president decided to take his eye off the ball and start defending DOMA in the courts. Had he kept his eye on the health care ball, and not wasted political capital trying to bash gays, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    I also noticed he didn't have any problem "wasting" his time nomination 3 latinos for the cabinet, opening up to cuba, and appointment a Latina sup ct nominee. Or is it not a problem when he diverts his attention to help other minorities?
  • kevinbgoode · 5 months ago
    I see. . .the guarantees of constitutional rights for all Americans is secondary to anything else. This sounds like the same old song-and-dance routine from the Democratic Party...the old "your community must continue to make sacrifices for everyone else, and we'll get to you someday...maybe...well, if we don't come up with something else to do."

    It seems like a very simple task, no? I mean, how hard is it to honor the constitution's promise to all Americans. . .is there anything even debateable there? How hard is it to get Democratic senators to sponsor legislation ending DADT, particularly when public opinion supports overturning the heinous law?

    If this Administration and the Democratic Party can't handle something that simple, it is breathtaking that anyone is supposed to believe this government will succeed on health care.
  • nicho · 5 months ago
    I don't know about anyone else, but I stop reading shit like this when I get to "shrill" or "you people" or "hysterical" or "whining"
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    And sister, trust me, you haven't seen shrill.
  • Steve O · 5 months ago
    As much as I despise you calling me "shrill" (tactless word choice, that) I get the point you are making even though I personally disagree.
    If you believe that pragmatism trumps all (when the pragmatist is one of your own) that's all well and good. But how do you rationalize the extreme prejudice that characterized the DOJ's DOMA brief? How was that necessary? In the absence of any sort of White House apology/explanation how in the world do you expect me to feel?
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    Shrill,incessant whining. Yeah, I'm sure you were a big supporter of ours - I'm all for gay rights as long as they keep quiet (and nothing ever happens as a consequence). In a few days we will be celebrating the fortieth anniversary of Stonewall and to date have made virtually zero progress on the federal level. If you can't understand that our patience has run out then you probably never were a friend of our community. I wasn't expecting action on Obama's numerous promises to his gay supporters this soon, and wouldn't have considered it prudent either, given the legacy left behind by slick Willie Clinton, but that hardly excuses his complete silence, let alone his justice department filing a brief in defense of legislation he once called abhorrent that has delighted every anti-gay bigot in the country.
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    I hear the stonewall riots were pretty shrill too LOL
  • Scott · 5 months ago
    "I liked equal rights, until you started bitching."

    It's not like anybody is proposing Obama do anything controversial. The objection is that he is attacking gay marriage rights to gain support for marriage equality.

    As to "nobody's died from lack of marriaged rights..."

    Tell that to Americans whose partners get deported, or who can't put their partners on their health plans.

    The President is certainly under no obligation to attack gay rights as he did to boost health care.

    But I'm glad you implicitly acknowledged that GLBT rights are like a new tv for yoru house; nice, but not important.
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    your post is lacking in some logic.

    If the Obama needs to spend all their time and effort on healthcare, then why did the DOJ use so much of their time putting together this homophobic brief that was unnecessary in its detailed rants?

    If healthcare is more important than EQUALITY, then do you think the rest ofthe citizens should give up their rights while we work on healthcare?

    The DOJ brief also cited the cost of benefits for legally married same-sex couples as being a drag on the budget. So, in order to help the budget even more in these hard economic times, shouldn't we also suspend federal benefits for hetero married couples?

    DOMA is not about gaining legal marriage. It is about providing federal benefits to same-sex couples who are LEGALLY married.
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    blah, blah, blah. Christ, I see the same damn thing at Democratic Underground.
  • HereinDC · 5 months ago
    Um, Are you for real?
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    THere's only so much that can be done at one time.. that's what barry's spokesbitch said, he said that poor ol Barry had too much on his plate to tackle gay issues..

    The very next day, Barry added middle east peace to his already overcrowded plate.

    So.. middle east peace is easier to tackle than gay rights? A decades long bitter conflict between intractable enemies over land and religion is easier than granting his own citizens equality?

    Your argument is stupid, baseless, and ignorant, and frankly,. i don't give a fuck how shrill i sound to someone as myopic as you.

    Either help us or get the fuck out of the way before you're steamrolled like the rest of the "sit down, shut up, wait" peanut gallery.
  • Adam · 5 months ago
    Just one more thing: The internet has proven to be an effective tool for raising political dollars. If Bill Maher and Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann and so-called progressives are so upset, why not start your own party? Why always make yourselves the victim of everyone else? Start your own progressive party, avoid the foolish temptation to run a national presidential campaign and instead, target selected house and senate seats where progressives would have a good chance of winning. I mean, that makes more sense than always playing the self-pittying "poor me" card. Take action! Take charge! Because I am tellin' ya...this nonstop whine-o-thon is wearing really thin!
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    Go home to Eve.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Unfortunate you see it that way. We ARE victims when a president goes out of his way to attack us in a brief and compare us to pedophiles, and incestuous relationships. The only thing he left out was bestiality and I'm fairly sure it would have been in it if they had thought of it.

    I imagine, you already are enjoying your birth-rights. You will only understand our plight when you start losing yours. Come back then and we'll see if you are ready to join us in "this nonstop whine-o-thon."
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    Whine-o-thon, coming from someone who has all their rights bequeathed upon them at birth.
  • Leecalif · 5 months ago
    Interesting, after phoning the 3 Reps offices in a calm, polite demeanor, I encountered rudeness and a hang up at
    Rep. Frank's office.
    There absolutely will be repercussions for those in attendance who belong to any organizations that can be
    hurt by lack of donations !
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Barney Frank is a rude person when he wants to be and it doesn't surprise me that his staff "acorns haven't fallen far from the tree."
  • Mike_H · 5 months ago
    To be fair, I live in Barney Frank's district, and when my partner called last December to get an issue with the Selective Service resolved, the staffers were polite, prompt, and really went above and beyond to help us out.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    That's good to hear. I imagine some on his staff are not equiped to handle calls that test them. Perhaps, they get some nasty calls and are sensitive to criticism.
  • HowardS · 5 months ago
    No rudeness foe me at Barney's office. I live in his district and had a decent discussion.
  • eclare · 5 months ago
    I'm very curious as to what they said! Please share!
  • Dogtags · 5 months ago
    No Comment from Tammy Baldwin's camp. Took my contact info to "get back with me later". Barney's office was blunt and to the point.
  • Mike in Iowa · 5 months ago
    And its not even that I disagree with the pain and anger. But Jesus, adopting the freakoid right's pattern of using boogeyman words is just so discrediting and lame. And its also something that is self defeating. Talk to any state or federal legislator and ask whether they are more likely to listen to someone who engages in rational discourse, even if its to express anger or deep pain, or someone who is over the edge and instead engages is threats that they can't fulfill. Even if the latter gets more attention, it doesn't get respect, and it doesn't get legislators being willing to work for you in the trenches. I visit your web page every day. And of course I rarely bother to comment when I agree with you. Instead I make the requested call or take the requested action. Which is perhaps why it bothers me to the extent it does when you become disingenuous.
  • zmansurf509 · 5 months ago
    Look, you are so selfish and right-now focused! Are you kidding? It's been six months since Obama took office. Rome wasn't built in a day. Give him time, instead of being so unbearably hard to work with give our leadership a little credit and come to these situations humbly and assertively asking what we'd like to see from the administration. It's easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar. As a gay man I'm embarrassed that the community is handling this so immaturely. Give him time. It will all work out. Just chill.
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    How about you read today's NYT's editorial castigating Obama's justice department on its brief in defense of DOMA. Was that written by a bunch of immature gays? Or listen to Maddow's interview with Howard Dean who condemns what they've done. Is Dean an immature gay too?
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    Same talking points I've seen over and over lately...

    "For gosh's sakes, he's only been in office 6 months!"

    "He's got so much on his plate! Give him some time! He issued a Pride Proclamation! He said he was in favor of DADT and DOMA repeal! Just back off!"

    I'm seeing that our leadership sucks the big one when it comes to leading the fight for our rightful equality. We've been nice. We've been respectful. And we end up getting meaningless promises and homophobic legal briefs shoved in our faces. And given that we worked just as hard, gave just as much money to elect these people for the nothing crap that we're getting so far, it's a little too goddamned late to sit back and expect our "leaders" to hand us our equality on a silver platter.
  • eclare · 5 months ago
    I don't know if it has occurred to you that we have been trying the "humble" approach for far too long.

    More to the point, there's a difference between being patient and working toward common goals and what is happening right now - namely that those of us that give a damn about equal rights have been repeatedly slapped in the face by this administration over the past 6 months. There's not getting everything you want, and then there's getting beat up and having your lunch money stolen.
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    Thanks Neville, I don't mind handing over Czechoslovakia either!
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    "Rome wasn't built in a day..."

    Given a chance, it seems he's trying to tear it down. If we chill out and wait for this all to solidify, we would hear from them that we should have spoken up when he had a chance to "change" things. It's a no-win situation with this administration so, now is the time to confront his lies and deceptions, and if need be, embarrass him on the national level. This is our only chance for him to actually listen to us.
    ( or stubbornly, not; his choice. )
  • ndtovent · 5 months ago
    Somewhat O/T but related. KUDOS to you and Joe for posting about this when it first came out.... And good scoop. I saw this story on 3 other major blogs, all of which linked to A-blog's original post for this story. keep up the good work!
  • scottinsf · 5 months ago
    People can say what they will about Americablog, but John and Joe are awesome when it comes to covering issues like this. A big round of applause from me!

    OK. Enough butt kissing.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    LOL oh, what do they say? :-) No, don't tell me :-)
  • mwdavis · 5 months ago
    As long as they aren't comparing Americablog to incest . . .
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    LOL and eeew.
  • Well · 5 months ago
    Wait. Wait.... Be patient.
    I don't know much about the whole situation and your community...

    You are demanding too much too early.
    You want everything you want to happen within 6 months of his presidency....

    Keep contacting and pressing the White House and the Congress, but don't get ungly!
  • Savage8862 · 5 months ago
    Rosa Parks got tired of waiting.
  • Yos · 5 months ago
    Savage8862, I didn't know Rosa Parks. But, Savage8862, you are no Rosa Parks! Give it a rest.
  • Savage8862 · 5 months ago
    You are going to have to stop mumbling. I can't understand anything you are saying.
  • Yos · 5 months ago
    You are going to have to stop using examples that don't make sense. I am just saying be careful when you try to adopt other people's struggles. As an African American it is offensive.
  • kevinbgoode · 5 months ago
    I see....so YOU sat on that bus with Rosa...

    Why do I get the feeling that you really haven't done anything except reap the benefits of those who fought for those rights - and now you say YOU are offended?
  • sjk · 5 months ago
    It is not an issue of "adopting” other people's struggles. People of similar convictions transcend culture, colour and socio-economic categories. The civil rights movement did not happen in a vacuum. Clearly you cannot suggest that only African Americans were involved in achieving equality before the law; that would be inaccurate. Similarly, I would hope that you do not suggest that people across the world who have taken risks or, who stood up for those oppressed in their midst cannot share, identify, and support and work (read: bleed, die, get maimed) towards “equality” for the oppressed group. I believe people get involved in equality movements and struggles because of their belief in basic human equality. Remember “liberté, égalité, fraternité”?

    The struggle for raceless, classless, beliefs does not belong to one group. A struggle for human equality is just that-- a struggle involving ALL individuals who want to reach a more egalitarian society.

    The people who marched alongside African Americans were not only from across the racial spectrum, but also included the LGBT population. It stands to reason that there were LGBT people there not of African American heritage. People that were not in the “direct line of fire” of these inequitable practices. People that were, at least on the surface not faced with the same level of oppression—they could, in fact, have lived unaffected without sticking their necks out. They fought because they understood the bigger picture.

    It would seem that these LGBT folks were present in the civil rights equality movement, not only because African Americans were the oppressed group, but specifically because the social and economic inequities were wrong, and should not have existed FOR ANYONE. Yet, here we are in 2009.

    People of good conscience have stood up and were counted and helped make a change towards equality for a variety of oppressed minorities. If one of us is oppressed, we are all oppressed. Those are not just words; they strike the common chord of humanity in all of us.

    Ms. Parks did not set out to be the symbol of a movement. She was someone denied basic civil rights, was literally tired and picked her moment to say: “no more waiting”. She was an everyday person. Of course we are all Ms Parks, as we are all the “Tank Man” from Tiananmen Square. Do you really think that John Lennon’s “Imagine” was meant for one specific group? Come on… :)
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    All of us are Rosa Parks, and YOU are the rest of the country telling us to sit in the back of the bus because you don't want to be late.
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    Yos, your posts are insulting. Take your commentary and go home.
  • Mike_in_the_Tundra · 5 months ago
    This time our anger is about an action, not an inaction. The DOJ's brief was the straw that broke the camel's back.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Yes, just like the Latinos have waited.... let's see now... three Cabinet appointees (until Richardson pulled out), an opening to Cuba, a Supreme Court nominee... yes, Obama is far too busy with the economy and health care to worry about the promises he made to minorities.
  • Webster · 5 months ago
    "For years now I have heard the word 'Wait!' This 'wait' has almost always meant 'never.' We must come to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that 'justice too long delayed is justice denied'."
    -- Martin Luther King Jr.
  • erip · 5 months ago
    Wait??? Are you joking? An 18 yr veteran and decorated war hero is being discharged, an arab linguist is being discharged. Our country is being put at risk by a president who campaigned to end DADT and keep our country safe. Our president campaigned as a "fierce advocate" for the gay community and has his DOJ file a brief comparing same gender relationships to incest. Same gender couples pay higher rates of taxes, get no SSI partner benefits, and yet the DOJ calls these relationships expensive.. AND YOU WANT ME TO WAIT for my civil rights? Get a grip.. Clearly you have yours and have no idea what its like to pay taxes and be treated like a second class citizen.
  • eclare · 5 months ago
    I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    It's pretty condescending whatever it is. We really need Well here to tell us that it's more effective when contacting politicians to be firm, but polite, than "getting ungly".
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    don't get "UGLY"????

    The DOJ went out oftheir way to get UGLY with that brief. Have you even read it? Or, are you just talking to hear yourself talk?
  • BillG · 5 months ago
    It is not a question of waiting, or being patient, but it is a question of needing to be rational and as calm-headed as possible.

    Though this may be a rumor, I understand that the author of the brief is a Mormon Bush administration holdover. It's a MINOR point, but raises questions of responsibility with the DOJ and the Administration.

    The administration could have still supported the law in its brief but not to have done so in such an offensive manner. That's what is upsetting. It would have completely flown below the radar if they had defended the law with legal language about defending the law because its a law already on the books, it didn't have to denigrate lesbian and gay relationships.

    I know here in California, the LGBT and our allies form much of the backbone of the Democratic Party. We have worked hard to turn this state reliably blue since the Pete Wilson riots, and we have done our work well. For us to be treated in this way by our newly elected president is a disgrace.

    I would LOVE to know what stands at the fulcrum on the scales of justice on which "equal civil rights for lesbian and gay couples" balances with comparisons to incest.

    Color me outraged!
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    Baloney! Nice people seldom make history!
  • Yos · 5 months ago
    The gay community loves to compare their struggle with the civil rights movement of the 70's. Although, by any imagination that is a stretch, let us entertain the premise. Would it have been beneficial for MLK to have threatened lawmakers? Would it have helped his cause if he supported the opposition party? Some of you are saying what is the difference between Obama and the Republicans? Can you say attempts to amendment the constitution?

    Keep in mind, Don't Ask Don't Tell, and DOMA are laws of the land. Obama has to support these laws until he works to overturn them. It's not personal, as a president he has to back laws even if he disagrees with them. That's how our democracy works.
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    Yeah of course, our struggles are worse than yours! I saw a young man in Pennsylvania who was beaten, thrown in a toilet, kicked down stairs and had things thrown at him by the seniors at his high school. When he complained to the principal, he had him arrested by the bigot police and taken away. It wasn't until the parent sued that anything was done. Don't talk about what you don't know. Try to be at least as supportive as most people on the left are to you.
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    I meant to say a young gay man in my last post. It broke my heart to see how he was treated. I am so tired of hearing about Black struggles being the only one's that are important and that any other struggle could never be as relevant. That is hypocrisy and blatantly wrong.
  • James76 · 5 months ago
    I'm not sure if you were replying to my post or not. If you were, I'm puzzled and believe there may have been a misunderstanding because the point of what I wrote is that there is no real difference between the two struggles. Gay rights are civil rights. Period. I was simply using the words (Dr. King) and experiences of those who lived through the 50's and 60's to illustrate that fact. Far too often these days, many straight blacks in their 40's and younger are the ones most loudly claiming the two movements are not comparable. I was saying I don't think like them. Because I'm gay and black, I see the similarities clearly. So do many older civil rights leaders and those who marched with them.
  • John Aravosis · 5 months ago
    Actually, it's Coretta Scott King who loved to compare the gay community's civil rights struggle to the black community's civil rights' struggle. Good try though.
    http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/coretta-scot...
  • Yos · 5 months ago
    That's great Aravosis! She's still not MLK. And there is very little to compare between the two causes. I don't see straight's only hotels. Or better yet, lynching of homosexuals. John, the cause is not furthered by being nasty. It never really will be. So if you want to use the civil rights movement as an example, than use it as an example.
  • ajax · 5 months ago
    No lynching of homosexuals?
    Tell that to Billy Jack Gathier or Matthew Shepard or the hundreds of transexual people who are murdered on our streets every single year. There have been thousands upon thousands of cases of gays and lesbians target by hatefilled hooligans and bashed and, yes, killed. You just aren't paying attention.
  • scottinsf · 5 months ago
    Just thought I would mention that in a majority of states it is perfectly legal for a hotel to tell gays and lesbians that they cannot stay there for the sole fact that they are gay.

    I could tell you about my personal experience with this but it would probably bore you. It was Washington State BTW, not in the south. They have changed their laws since then.

    I also have to ask, have you ever heard of a guy named Matthew Shepard?
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    YOS: Perhaps, you should vacation in Jamaica. You can see all of those things happening. It could happen here as well if we let them continue on this insulting path. Try attending a Christian Bible Thumping College and see how long you would last as a gay or lesbian person. Please, your argument is disingenuous, at best.
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    No, there's just straight only marriage and bashings like Matthew Shepard.

    There's only being denied housing, employment, or having that employment or housing taken away because of your orientation.

    Not comparable at all, right?

    Secondly, stop repeating thar debunked crap about "oh he had to defend" DOMA and DADT. He did not have to, and even if he did, he did not need to use the language of right-wing talking points that were disgusting to begin with and falsehoods as a second.
  • Scott · 5 months ago
    Hey, it turns out that in thirty something states, it is still legal to fire people for being gay. They are also not allowed to serve openly in the military.

    No, these have no similarities at all to the Black Civil Rights movement.
  • maddie · 5 months ago
    The civil rights movement of the 70's ? No lawmakers have been threatened-only their wallets. Support is not shifting to the republican but, away from the democrats. Right now, well there is less and less difference between W and Obama.
    The President is sworn to uphold the Constitution and laws of the land--ummm, equal protection? Constitution trumps bad law--or it should!
  • Yos · 5 months ago
    Maddie, yes. Equal Protection, and the Reciprocity Clause. All constitutional issues. But our constitution does not give the president powers to abdicate laws , that's for our judiciary.

    If president's could pick and choice, presidents can choice to ignore the rule of the land as it applies to pro-choice. Or, when and if the Supreme Court rules DOMA unconstitutional, a president may choice to ignore these findings on some other constitutional grounds. Congress has to change these laws, and therefore we have to work on convincing them.
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    While I understand what you are positing in your post, the president could and should give the same message of support that he gave before we all supported him with our vote and money. I for one, feel like I was lied to and scammed.
  • Mike_H · 5 months ago
    You miss the point -- his DOJ *did* have a choice in HOW it chose to respond. His DOJ used the worst lies and bigotry about gay people and equal marriage in this brief.

    It's not just Obama's DOJ defending a law on the books, it's the overboard language of the defense that is so offensive.
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    why don't you do some actual research before spouting off. Since last Friday when this came to light, there has been much discussion about this. And, MANY legal expoerts have provided their avalysis that the DOJ was NOT REQUIRED to defend DOMA. PERIOD. You are wrong.

    And, another historical point for you. MLK threatened the dem pols of his day just as much as the repugs. He held ALL politicians to the same standard no matter what their party.

    It would probably be a good idea if you actaully knew what you were talking about before you post comments.

    about the comparisons:

    Gays can legally be fired for being gay.
    Gays can legally be denied housing for being gay.

    which do you think is more important, sharing a water fountain or having a job and a place to live?

    Lynchings? Try bashings, beatings and MURDER. It happens to gays every day, just for being gay.
  • Yos · 5 months ago
    This is the venom, that makes this movement so distasteful and unattractive. Maybe you need to do your own research.

    You seriously want to go into moral equivalency? What's next comparing your struggles to the Holocaust?

    How many gays have been murdered? How many African Americans have been lynched? Give it a rest.
  • ajax · 5 months ago
    Gays haven't been murdered?
    Exactly WHAT planet are you living on?
    It's clearly not Earth.
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    No, you give it a rest! I think it's about time the LGBT community stopped hiding and starting acting up. Tough if you don't like it.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    venom = truth

    And typically, when you have been trumped in a debate, you change the subject to another analogy, this time with the Holocaust. What you don't understand is that gays were sent to the concentration camps along with Gypsies, political adversaries, and others, besides the Jews.

    You seem to be the one bringing up other horrible acts against humanity, not us. Your argument is baseless and you really need to to do your own research, you continue to come up with poor analogies.
  • Juan · 5 months ago
    I think MLK might say something like this:
    Some have asked: "Why didn't you give the new city administration time to act?" The only answer that I can give to this query is that the new Birmingham administration must be prodded about as much as the outgoing one, before it will act. We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of Albert Boutwell as mayor will bring the millennium to Birmingham. While Mr. Boutwell is a much more gentle person than Mr. Connor, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that Mr. Boutwell will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

    We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."
  • stephanie · 5 months ago
    And, MLK wrote this from the Birmingham JAIL. He was willing through non violence to accept the consequences of what the segregationists considered radical action.
  • Brenda B · 5 months ago
    No reason to defend the laws by rehashing the same bull that led to their creation. For someone whose parents were only wed because the state they lived in allowed interracial marriages, this is especially surprising. I wonder how he would feel about DOMA having existed in 1958.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Yos, you do not sound like you were even around in 1969 and the early 70s. Stonewall was an huge part of the civil rights movement and those who protested against the war. Civil rights, whether it is a struggle for equal rights by blacks or a struggle (still going on) by gays and lesbians is incidental. You can not differentiate between which equal rights movement is a legitimate one and which one is not. Minorities in this country have to fight for their equal rights and that is our democracy and how it works. Nothing is given to you especially, when bigots are controlling the purse strings and political power. It is never in their interest to allow equal rights for all.
  • James76 · 5 months ago
    This is Dr. King's "Letter from the Birmingham Jail". Pam Spaulding posted this earlier today. Just exchange the words Negro for gay and White for straight. Then remove the KKK and White Citizen's Counciler and add the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family. It's a perfect fit.

    “I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

    As a thirty-something black gay man, I can't and won't claim to know what it was like to live and fight through the civil rights movement, but neither can many of the emerging progressive and black leaders out there today. They, like I, lived through the period of emerging opportunity that lead to the election of a black president. But, as John so rightly notes with the example of Mrs. King, for those who did live through it and who take the time to really examine what gays are fighting for, the conclusion is clear. Mildred Loving, whose victory before the Supreme Court was sullied by the DOMA brief, took the time to issue a rare public statement advocating for marriage equality for the LBGT community shortly before her death. Even my deceased grandmother, who lived through the worst of segregation, understood the similarities. She also understood that while segregation was horrible, there were those in power who pointed to thriving middle class black communities like hers in the 20's, 30', 40's and 50's as reasons why progress for all could wait until a better time. They said life was good enough and to be satisfied because there were more pressing concerns. She carried great guilt for any advantages she enjoyed while others went without for her entire life despite the fact that she worked hard to help those less fortunate than her attain what she already had. That’s the position that DOMA places us in. It’s an imposed division not only between us and straight people, but also among us and the Prop 8 ruling illustrates. It’s a federally imposed caste system. And it’s wrong.
  • pjkool · 5 months ago
    I think it would be better if everyone showed up and raised hell. It's a great chance to turn up the heat on these weak kneed Democrats while the media is watching. Let's have the gay community take the lead on pushing the Democrats to put aside their fear of the conservative movement and stand for something. Maybe some new national leaders will emerge from our community. NO FEAR!
  • ryeneck · 5 months ago
    Mr Obama knows better; but as Malcolm X once said, and I'm paraphrasing, a snake can be black or white.

    Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace
    Washington CT USA

    It's time for marriage equality and fairness in America.
  • sunshine · 5 months ago
    THIS IS REALLY A BRILLIANT MOVE. We finally have a President and Congress that might make meaningful changes for us, and because it isn't done in 4 months lets take our toys and go home.You know the Repubs are right we will tear ourselves apart. We always do.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Well aren't you a wee bit of sunshine?! If you want to continually be spat upon, stabbed in the back or lied to, and you want to do nothing, kindly, step aside and let others do the protesting for you. I'm sure you'll jump on board once it's safe.
  • Savage8862 · 5 months ago
    And you propose what? To wait? How long? Democrats have been promising us equality for decades with no action and definitely no results. Are you happy with that record? You must be because you are complaining that others are rocking the boat. I am tired of waiting. This is about our lives and how we live.
  • shriekingviolet · 5 months ago
    I don't, and never will, understand why when people protest the administration doing something genuinely shitty, people try to paint it as if such outrage is just impatience. People are THIS pissed off not because DOMA hasn't been challenged yet (though that's disappointing) but because his DoJ wrote a deeply offensive and completely disingenuous brief supporting DOMA that completely undermines every argument Obama and his surrogates would have had to make to get DOMA repealed. How do those of you who do trust that the effort (and I mean a real effort, not token support) will eventually be made think his push for the repeal will go if for every argument made, the other side can counter using briefs written by Obama's own Justice Department?

    It's one thing to keep people waiting, it's quite another to piss on them and expect them to keep quiet about it. Can Obama really do no wrong in your eyes?
  • timncguy · 5 months ago
    have you actually READ THE BRIEF. Putting out that brief is not the admin not making meaningful changes for it. That brief was a full on intentional ATTACK on gays. That's aBIG difference from doing nothing. That was actively working AGAINST us.
  • mml34 · 5 months ago
    The "WAIT" theory makes no sense to me.

    "Don't challenge DOMA in federal court now, it's too soon, WAIT."

    "Pipe down, we don't want to set our cause back a decade! WAIT."

    "Be patient, it's unwise to criticise a democrat! They're on 'our' side, remember? WAIT."

    How long are we supposed to wait? It will never be the "right" time if by "right" you mean "easy." We're supposed to "be patient" for another year, 2 years, 10 years, lest we set our cause back a decade?

    There are lots of gay soldiers whose careers will be over (voluntarily or otherwise) before we're done "waiting."

    There are committed gay couples whose partners will die before we're done "waiting" for equal rights (in life and death).

    How long should the gay couples, raising children, "wait" for the government to provide equal protections to their families? Are they supposed to wait until their children are grown?

    There are members of the LGBT community, lots of them, who will lose their jobs, (translation: healthcare, homes, etc.) before we're done "waiting" for ENDA.

    I, for one, am not getting any younger (maybe the "be patient" crowd is getting younger). But, I'm not gonna "wait" my whole life, my whole relationship, career, children, etc. for the time to be right (= easy).
  • EuroRant · 5 months ago
    "We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
  • lin · 5 months ago
    Wait that is what you should do African Americans are at the head of the line as a group we are first to finally get our rights and since we outnumber you guys I think that is only fair right. So be nice get in line. We have been waiting since 1865
  • Joel · 5 months ago
    It isn't a matter of not having done something for us in 4 months. By filing the DOJ brief, Obama's actively working against us. And in a particularly hateful manner.

    I, for one, am tired of being treated as a second class citizen in this country. I won't be kicked again and just roll over and take it.
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    He might? MIGHT?

    YEah sure.. he might after filing a legal brief to defend a discriminatory law.. one he didn't have to defend.. and used hideous right wing talking points to do it.

    He did this while, naturally, not suspending DADT pending congressional review so gay servicemen and women are still being witch hunted and fired..

    but hey.. he MIGHT do something despite moving in the exact opposite direction of doing something.

    Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.
  • Mimikatz · 5 months ago
    But then again, they might not. What about Harry Reid leads you to believe he will do anything significant on gay rights? How does withholding money from Dems and giving it to a group like ACLU to fight for what I believe constitute "taking my toys and going home" as opposed to what Obama said he wanted, which is pressuring him to do what he ought to be doing?

    And no amount of time is too short to be respectful instead of demeaning and dismissive toward the gay community. That's what brought this on.
  • mollymac · 5 months ago
    Sunshine, I really don't see an US here by the looks of your post. While I can understand the old canard, "give it time", I cannot and will not accept the wording of the brief out of the Dept. of Justice. It is playing right into repub. politics and I for one am done with the pandering. I would like to see a retraction of this heinous piece of work.
  • Randy · 5 months ago
    Obama said that repealing DADT is the job of Congress, and Harry Reid said it is the president's job. In other words, neither has any plan or desire to repeal DADT, even though 70% of Americans support its repeal.

    Sunshine, please tell me what 'meaningful' changes the Dems have in mind for repealing DADT, DOMA and enacting ENDA? Oops! There are none! But go ahead and be happy, because lip service is apparently all you really require.
  • Ian · 5 months ago
    I just called Congressman Frank's office, and the person on the phone sounded downright contemptuous about having to take down my complaint. I made a point to be calm and polite and not to put any of the blame on Frank himself, but they still sounded frustrated to even be hearing about this. It could be that they're just being bombarded by calls, or maybe the could tell from caller ID that I was a non constituent. Who knows, but I hope others will keep the calls coming.
  • KURT QUINTON · 5 months ago
    I HAVE JUST CALLED FRANK'S,BALDWIN'S AND POLIS'S OFFICES. FRANKS GUY WAS SNIPPY AND NOT VERY NICE. THE OTHER OFFICES WERE UNDERSTANDING AND APPRECIATIVE. APPARENTLY MR FRANK'S STAFF IS TOO IMPORTANT TO ACCEPT COMMENTS WITHOUT GETTING UPSET THAT ANYONE WOULD DARE TO CRITICIZE HIM.
  • mysista · 5 months ago
    I hope all gays and lesbians just leave the democratic party. They are the worst part of the party anyway. They are to the democratic party what the far right religious zealots are to the republican party--a millstone around it's neck. Both parties would do well to shed themselves of these extreme groups.

    Good bye, and good riddance!!
  • Leo Cuevas · 5 months ago
    you are not a true "Democrat" only right-wingers tell others they do not agree with to leave ... glad you are in the minority.

    In the meantime, we will hold our party responsible for CHANGE that was promised prior the election, when our party attacks us, we WILL NOT remain silent anymore, even if we drag the party down with us for lying to our community and the American voters.
  • frizbeesf · 5 months ago
    Wow...

    Where to even begin on this one... Find me any LGBT activist or organization that wants to take way rights from people, or blames heterosexuals for 9-11 or claims that God hates America.

    It seems you find that whole pesky "liberty and justice for all" thing to be so "extremist".
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    Yeah.. cuz you know, a minority wanting equal rights is exactly the same as a group of fundamentalist nutjobs trying to take rights away from people.

    Did you have to take a learning annex course on how to be a retard, or does it come naturally?
  • Ben · 5 months ago
    Mysista the democratic party is doing of fine job of making that come true.

    It is the democratic party that is using the GLBT members of our country by dangling a carrot and stick full of promises just to get votes.

    It is not being a millstone to ask for equal rights. once those are granted all of this goes away.
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    I just contacted Tammy Baldwin's office. Talked to a nice woman there who knew EXACTLY why I was calling. Like the others have mentioned, she said that Representative Baldwin will be making a public statement about this later today. She said the office has been getting a lot of calls about this.
  • Eric · 5 months ago
    I emailed Tammy about this last night; no response, so I'm looking forward to hearing this public statement she's supposed to be making today.
  • Shel · 5 months ago
    We talked about this the other day,a bunch of us get together every week and we are all mostly ethinic minorites (African american,asian,native american ect and tlak about various issues and it seemed kinda we as ethinic GLBT are not exactly gung ho on dumping on Obama I dunno why might be a skin thing.
  • Jr from bay area, ca · 5 months ago
    Wow! Bush was in the White House for 8 years and his administration did nothing for Gay Rights. Obama has been in office less than 6 months and LBGT thinks its time to boycott and protest Obama. This is ridiculous, I'm all for gay rights, but give the man some time!!!! Hey, lets puts a conservative republican back in the White House for another 8yrs??? Obama can not just wave a pen and make everything go away, Congress needs to do their job and get onboard with change in America.
  • Joel · 5 months ago
    So because he's doing the same as Bush, that makes it better. The outrage is in a brief released from the Department of Justice, he compared LGBT families to incestuous relationships and pedophilia. It speaks for itself that this crosses the line.

    It's not that he's done nothing. Nothing would be better than what he's actually done. He has defended the policies of the bush administration, while lying to us all along that he was going to bat for us.

    He has done nothing about repealing DADT, there's no movement on ENDA, and he's actually defending DOMA (despite campaign pledges to the contrary).
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    It';s amazing the amount of people saying the same stupid thing, isn't it.

    "wait"

    No, thanks. Been waiting for 2000 years. Why don't YOU wait, and hold my place for me?
  • Jeff · 5 months ago
    Bush did call himself an advocate, tell the nation that he would get a grand agenda of gay rights implemented, and then renege. Geez, at least Cheney is pro-gay marriage!!
  • Wayne · 5 months ago
    I just called all 3 offices. Frank's was answered by a woman who was very polite and concerned. The other two were even more concerned and spent a bit of time on the phone discussing the issue and its importance. We have to inundate their offices with calls to let them know just how angry we are and how IMPORTANT we can be to fund raising. If we all withhold our money until we get some answers, we will get them very much sooner.
  • David Smith · 5 months ago
    I appreciate the frustration many might feel with the speed of change. But just look at the amazing things that have occurred in the last few weeks - federal benefits for domestic partners in the State and Interior Departments; review of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Give the man a break - the economy is going down the toilet, he has to deal with a score of major international crisis, and he has had to fight for every single piece of legislation or policy against a reticent Congress - I think as a gay man I can give the President at least a year before I give up on him.
  • Randy · 5 months ago
    Wow! you are so right David! A couple dozen federal employees now get benefits! Someone is actually thinking about DADT! What more could we possibly expect from this administration?

    Meanwhile, several states grant SSM. Response from Obama? Silence. DC recognizes SSM from other states. Silence. LT Choi is kicked out of the military for being gay and Obama could issues a stop loss order RIGHT NOW, but does nothing. Obama issues a brief that kicks us in the teeth.

    But we should be happy because he sorta likes us. Big F Deal.
  • Rev. scott Imler · 5 months ago
    Holding Barack accountable for his promises is NO giving upon him. As Barack said with his insistence on Israel halting settlements in the occupied territories, being a friend sometimes means talking plain.

    And BTW it was HILLARY who move on the State Department.

    I'll never give up on Barack. He was the best person for the job when aI voted for him and he still is. I jujst want him now to DO the best job.
  • sonofloud · 5 months ago
    "a review of Don't Ask, Don't Tell" LOL
    Meanwhile Obama found time to increase the faith based initiative which gives our tax revenue to churches, in fact it was one of his very first actions upon becoming president.
    How nice he found the time to give even more money to hate and intolerance.
    Now he is about to appoint a 6th catholic to the 9 member Supreme Court, making our fight for equality that much harder.
  • Ken · 5 months ago
    I called ... Barney Frank's spokeshole said he hasn't decided if he's going to the fundraiser and also hasn't decided if the congress should try to pass legislation to overturn DOMA. He said, "there's a lot of other stuff we have to do".

    A more professional woman and Rep. Baldwin's office said this is a "salient issue" and the Representative is taking all of this very personally and is going to release a statement by the end of the day.

    Rep. Polis' office said they are being bombarded with calls (yay!) and that he has put a statement on his website requesting an explanation from Obama regarding their actions last week on DOMA. She said Rep. Polis is undecided about attending the fundraiser.

    I also left voicemail for the fundraiser's oganizer and I think everyone should call him: Tom Petrillo at petrillot@dnc.org or (202) 488-5015 (LGBT Leadership Council, DNC)

    I think it extremely important that we all make these calls and that we also call the DNC LGBT leadership and skewer them for this. I will never donate to the DNC again if this fundraiser happens.
  • Sam · 5 months ago
    Jared Polis' has posted a very nice response on his web page. The other two Congressional leaders need to follow suit. Why aren't we also bombarding Speaker Palosi's office? We are taking our anger out on Obama, which is correct and Justified, but we need to be taking it out on all of congress.
  • tomtallis · 5 months ago