I was just wondering that! Cool! Very impressive for "an old white guy" as some called him. Anyone know McSame's score from the HRC? Or do they just not publish negative numbers? ha
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
I have a feeing his score is higher....he knows we are out here and there are people who work for him. :) ;)
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
Wikipeida's article on Joe Biden makes him out to be moterate to liberal and says of him:
Biden had a 94.2 percent liberal voting record in 2007 and lifetime score of 77.5 percent, according to a National Post analysis.
Okay, it looks like I was wrong. This is a guy that I may be happy to support. I hope he can manage to pull Obama far enough to left and put some meaning into the "Change I Can Believe In" slogan. Not alsking for a lot, but want more than just electing a Democrat instead of a Republican, a Damnocrat of the Clinton mode who is a Republican wearing Democratic clothing.
TampaZeke
· 1 year ago
Not lovin that DOMA vote and I really hate the "I don't believe the government should dictate religious marriages" that both he and Obama repeat ad nauseam. The government has NEVER forced (or even encouraged ANY religious group to marry ANY couple that they don't want to, no matter what their reason is.
I realize that this is a political position that probably doesn't reflect their actual feelings. I live in the real world and know that this is the best we can ask for right now.
I think Biden is a great choice and I look forward to doing all I can to to make sure that Obama/ Biden kicks McCain's ass from here to November 4th.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
That's it? And Obama's not even that high.
Obama's misguided notion that 'marriage is only between one man and one woman' is NOT change that I can believe in.
What do the Dems not get about how much that set's them apart (or can set them apart) from the Reps. In Obama's rush to toss gay people under the bus last week, the 'simple equality' meme is the one thing he can run on that no one could ever fault them for without looking really stupid.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
He wants to repeal DOMA. Because he "wants to leave it up to the states" . That is a code phrase that many people have used over the years. I honestly don't think he opposes gay marriage. But sadly the vast majority of people over 35 are bigots. He would not get elected if he said otherwise. That is a fact. he would be digging his political grave if he came out in support of gay marriage.
devis1
· 1 year ago
Hey, how old are you? Sounds like the ole 'don't trust anyone over 30'!! :)
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
No its true. Most older voters are bigots; they don't support gay marriage. Most younger voters do. Just a fact.
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
one thing he can run on that no one could ever fault them for without looking really stupid.
Ha! When have Republicans ever minded looking stupid. Though I have to admit, I think you mean decent reasonable human beings looking stupid, all of which excludes Republicans. I am hoping that there will be a time when we can again welcome Republicans back into the human race, but that will be when they return to earth from Mars.There was a time when Republican and decent human being were not mutually exclusive terms, but that sadly doesn't seem even remotely possible with the current crop of Republicans.
Maybe Richard Nixon's Watergate is what changed the Republican party. After Watergate, the only way that Republicans could continue to exist is to become the most homocidal, murdering, greedy, evil, hateful, bigoted party, perhaps to embrace Nazism as their true party idealism.
Can't you see tomorrow's mainstream media headlines if any on the right get ahold of what I just said. Democrats were changed by Watergate into the most evil, hateful, Nazi loving, anti-semitic, war crazed, enemy of America, terrorist loving party as a result Nixon's heroic sacrifice for the party. <g>
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Obama is opposed to prop. 8 in California. That's very good and will help defeat it.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
That's not what he said at the Saddleback Church, and I have not seen/heard anything to make clear he is against Prop. 8.
Adam Sperry -- Adam D. Sperry, C.A.S. N. Hollywood, CA, USA 818 982 8105
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Hi, Adam, I believe he said at Saddleback that he is opposed to gay marriage, not civil unions. On the day, or close to it, that Gov. Arnold announced his opposition to Prop 8, Obama said he opposed it too. His position is that he opposes gay marriage, but he also opposes taking away rights to it.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
OK, f*ck that, he can't have it both ways. If he is against equalizing marriage law he is definitely denying my husband and I our rights as US citizens. Would he be happy allowing his daughters only 'Civil Unions'? I have also not heard him say in public that he is against Prop 8. He can be against SSM all he wants in private, as a matter of policy he better as hell be for equal rights. My husband is already not voting for him and telling other to find another choice. I'm this close to following him.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
I neglected to say that he said he believes the states should decide this and supports their decisions except when it comes to taking away rights. He would also oppose a national constitutional amendment.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
So Obama believes we are allowed to vote on people's rights? As even a half-lack man he should see how ludicrous that is. If Obama said it was OK to vote on anyone else's marriage rights, would a single person even consider even voting for him?
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Adam, I would, of course, prefer that Obama be 100% for gay rights for everyone and right now. You and I don't differ on that. However, I am a pragmatist and an incrementalist---and more so as I get older. My partner and I were married last week after 36 years together. I do not believe that, legally, our marriage can be set aside, and quite a few conservative legal scholars agree with that proposition. I still plan to work my ass off on the elections---both against prop 8 and for Obama, because I believe that's the best we can do. You are, of course, free to believe as you wish, and I send you blessings and best wishes, Brother.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
I agree with you completely (and congratulations).
I'm just dismayed at Obama (or anyone) saying one thing in private to seemingly appease the Gay Groups, and another IN PUBLIC to the Christians, and leaving the impression he's for one bigoted thing or another. Does he want to come off looking bigoted? Hell, at Saddleback he could have at least said, 'I'm not for Gay Marriage personally but Prop 8 is wrong', or SOMETHING. Look, even Fox would look stupid tearing someone down who says they are for full equality under the law for all law-abiding US citizens, and Obama is in theperfect position to pull off something that touchy-feely.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
And there are other articles if you google it. I don't think Obama has said one thing to one group and something different to others. It's my impression that he has never wavered from being opposed to "gay" marriage, being in favor of civil unions and wanting states to make their own decisions. He says he is four-square opposed to DOMA and supports its repeal and I think he has always been opposed to using constitutional amendments to take away rights of any kind. I have heard him speak to Black groups and tell them they need to be more inclusive of gays and that everyone should have the same kinds of equality. I just think he's the best we're going to get, and I am comfortable with him. It seems to me the only other option is voting Green which doesn't work for me, but it might for you. I hope whatever choice you make puts you at ease.
I have been withholding a $100 donation to Obama until I was assured that he didn't pick Sam Nunn or some other homophobe for VP. I have always liked Biden because he is so transparent - one does really see what one gets. While I am not pleased with his lack of support for same-sex marriage, for the sake of the country, I'll be donating that c-note to Obama next week.
Bobby
· 1 year ago
I'd really like to know how the politics of change benefits from choosing someone who has been in the Senate for 35 years. Obama has been nothing but a disappointment for me from the minute it became clear he was the nominee. His run to the right threw our civil rights under the bus, his environmentalism is now seriously in questions, and he chooses a Washington insider as his veep candidate. I've never voted for a Republican, and never will, but I am more and more feeling like I'm going to sit this election out. (I can't even vote Green Party because of that lunatic Cynthia McKinney.) I truly feel that Obama is a liar and a fraud — and a consummate politician as usual. How sad that my party completly fumbled a golden opportunity. Again.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
Hillary lost. Deal with it. If you sit the election out, you lose all rights to complain. I have been voting for more than 30 years, and I have never voted for someone that I enthusiastically supported. No, it is usually an exercise in voting against someone. Perfection doesn't exist, PERIOD. Do you actually think that there will be no difference in the outcome for the country if McCain becomes president?
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Thank you for saying that, Gary.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
Obama supports the complete repeal of DOMA and Hillary doesn't. Now what is your reasoning for supporting Hillary and not Obama? Or are you just a babbling moron.
ThinkTankUSA
· 1 year ago
I think the choice of Joe Bidon is a continuation of four more years of Dick Cheney. As President of the Senate Cheney has thwarted Exexcutive Orders claiming he is not part of the Executive Branch. Obama is trying to bring "four more years" with his Bidon choice!
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
I didn't get the memo - is this 'Hillary trolls flood the blogs' night or something?
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
Who's Bidon?
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
McCain - Rated 33% by Human Rights Campaign; Lieberman - 89%; Obama - 89%; see www.ontheissues.com
devis1
· 1 year ago
I just watched the Biden rollout and absolutely loved it.
I spent the day canvassing for Obama/Mark Warner and Glenn Nye--he's running against rubberstamp Thelma Drake in my house district. Unfortunately today I was working a neighborhood right next to Pat Robertson's Regent University. I was cursed off a man's( I use that term loosely) porch as soon as I said I was a Dem volunteer. The woman working with me was about to call 911 after a guy came up to her wanting to know why she was on "his street". He went ballistic on her about liberal commies, etc. etc. Gawd sometimes I fear this country is F$#%ED.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Thank you for working so hard in unfriendly territory. Dems need more like you!
devis1
· 1 year ago
I'm really hoping VA does go blue this year and these bible humping neanderthals heads explode.
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
I'll settle for seeing their heads petrify. Too violent your way. Peace! <g>
ThinkTankUSA
· 1 year ago
Barrack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden as “the next Vice President” due to his “foreign policy credentials” smells like for more years of Cheney's fourth branch of government. Biden can as Cheney’s office argue that the Vice President's office, because it has both executive and legislative branch duties, is exempt from Executive Order. It is useful to tally up the similarities that are piling up on Obama’s Veep's choice. Biden as Cheney is believed to be just what is needed to balance the ticket: a chief operating officer who would give great advice, based on his years of experience. Biden as Cheney can become quite powerful. That is at least partly because, unlike other powerful figures who became liabilities in previous administrations, there will be no moving him along. You can't fire him. You can't reorganize him into another job. You can't compost him — and find someone to squeeze in on top of him.
ClintonHater
· 1 year ago
Except Obama was president of Harvard Law Review, and Bush is a drooling ignoramus.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
HA!!!!!!!!! Thanks for that, it made my night....
jr
· 1 year ago
I'm surprised McCain has a 33 percent since he's friends with Crist, Graham, Mehlman and Drier.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Too bad somebody can't out them.
CARbiker
· 1 year ago
Thank you for including "civil" in your description of civil rights for gays and lesbians. I hate the term "gay rights' there are no "gay" rights, just civil rights for all Americans including gays and lesbians!
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Biden had a 94.2 percent liberal voting record in 2007 and lifetime score of 77.5 percent, according to a National Post analysis.
Okay, it looks like I was wrong. This is a guy that I may be happy to support. I hope he can manage to pull Obama far enough to left and put some meaning into the "Change I Can Believe In" slogan. Not alsking for a lot, but want more than just electing a Democrat instead of a Republican, a Damnocrat of the Clinton mode who is a Republican wearing Democratic clothing.
I realize that this is a political position that probably doesn't reflect their actual feelings. I live in the real world and know that this is the best we can ask for right now.
I think Biden is a great choice and I look forward to doing all I can to to make sure that Obama/ Biden kicks McCain's ass from here to November 4th.
Obama's misguided notion that 'marriage is only between one man and one woman' is NOT change that I can believe in.
What do the Dems not get about how much that set's them apart (or can set them apart) from the Reps. In Obama's rush to toss gay people under the bus last week, the 'simple equality' meme is the one thing he can run on that no one could ever fault them for without looking really stupid.
Ha! When have Republicans ever minded looking stupid. Though I have to admit, I think you mean decent reasonable human beings looking stupid, all of which excludes Republicans. I am hoping that there will be a time when we can again welcome Republicans back into the human race, but that will be when they return to earth from Mars.There was a time when Republican and decent human being were not mutually exclusive terms, but that sadly doesn't seem even remotely possible with the current crop of Republicans.
Maybe Richard Nixon's Watergate is what changed the Republican party. After Watergate, the only way that Republicans could continue to exist is to become the most homocidal, murdering, greedy, evil, hateful, bigoted party, perhaps to embrace Nazism as their true party idealism.
Can't you see tomorrow's mainstream media headlines if any on the right get ahold of what I just said. Democrats were changed by Watergate into the most evil, hateful, Nazi loving, anti-semitic, war crazed, enemy of America, terrorist loving party as a result Nixon's heroic sacrifice for the party. <g>
seen/heard anything to make clear he is against Prop. 8.
Adam Sperry
--
Adam D. Sperry, C.A.S.
N. Hollywood, CA, USA
818 982 8105
I believe he said at Saddleback that he is opposed to gay marriage, not civil unions.
On the day, or close to it, that Gov. Arnold announced his opposition to Prop 8, Obama said he opposed it too.
His position is that he opposes gay marriage, but he also opposes taking away rights to it.
marriage law he is definitely denying my husband and I our rights as US
citizens. Would he be happy allowing his daughters only 'Civil Unions'?
I have also not heard him say in public that he is against Prop 8.
He can be against SSM all he wants in private, as a matter of policy he
better as hell be for equal rights. My husband is already not voting
for him and telling other to find another choice. I'm this close to
following him.
half-lack man he should see how ludicrous that is. If Obama said it was
OK to vote on anyone else's marriage rights, would a single person even
consider even voting for him?
My partner and I were married last week after 36 years together.
I do not believe that, legally, our marriage can be set aside, and quite a few conservative legal scholars agree with that proposition.
I still plan to work my ass off on the elections---both against prop 8 and for Obama, because I believe that's the best we can do.
You are, of course, free to believe as you wish, and I send you blessings and best wishes, Brother.
I'm just dismayed at Obama (or anyone) saying one thing in private to
seemingly appease the Gay Groups, and another IN PUBLIC to the
Christians, and leaving the impression he's for one bigoted thing or
another. Does he want to come off looking bigoted?
Hell, at Saddleback he could have at least said, 'I'm not for Gay
Marriage personally but Prop 8 is wrong', or SOMETHING.
Look, even Fox would look stupid tearing someone down who says they are
for full equality under the law for all law-abiding US citizens, and
Obama is in theperfect position to pull off something that touchy-feely.
I don't think Obama has said one thing to one group and something different to others. It's my impression that he has never wavered from being opposed to "gay" marriage, being in favor of civil unions and wanting states to make their own decisions. He says he is four-square opposed to DOMA and supports its repeal and I think he has always been opposed to using constitutional amendments to take away rights of any kind. I have heard him speak to Black groups and tell them they need to be more inclusive of gays and that everyone should have the same kinds of equality.
I just think he's the best we're going to get, and I am comfortable with him. It seems to me the only other option is voting Green which doesn't work for me, but it might for you.
I hope whatever choice you make puts you at ease.
Here's a link.
I spent the day canvassing for Obama/Mark Warner and Glenn Nye--he's running against rubberstamp Thelma Drake in my house district. Unfortunately today I was working a neighborhood right next to Pat Robertson's Regent University. I was cursed off a man's( I use that term loosely) porch as soon as I said I was a Dem volunteer. The woman working with me was about to call 911 after a guy came up to her wanting to know why she was on "his street". He went ballistic on her about liberal commies, etc. etc. Gawd sometimes I fear this country is F$#%ED.