Sheesh. It's old already. Give it a rest. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but come on...
phyl
· 1 year ago
Monica doesn't deserve continued involvement with the Clintons, she has suffered enough, yes, with the stupid mistakes she made. Enough with Hillary and her husband and their entitlement mentality. How can obsession be labled experience ? They need to sign up with,"DEAL WITH REALITY 101"
JoyP
· 1 year ago
A Monica? How about something else as an award? This girl has pretty much stayed out of the limelight since the "incident". I don't think it's fair to drag her name through the mud with those two idiots anymore.
revbones
· 1 year ago
You don't think this is "making fun of" them or their supporters like they claimed in your linked post?
This may have been the approach a few months ago, well before Hillary became irrelevant and fell flat on her fucking face in a failure of epic proportions. Now, however, when meaninngless Hillary spews and her ass-barnaclew minions show up in support they simply need to be ignoored and the subject needs to turn to the race between Obama and McCain. Hillary is over and about as important, from a prresidential point of view, as Kucinich or Dodd. A delusional has been, much many following.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
yep. i'm ready to move on.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Guys, you're deluding yourselves if you don't think they're doing serious damage to Obama, and will continue to do so for the next month. She may be irrelevant to you, but she and her husband are out there every day telling voters that Obama is a black man who doesn't deserve their votes, who hates rural Americans, who his unelectable. She's still saying it. There's a CNN story I'll be posting later today that reveals that she still has her staff out there trying to dig up some piece of dirt on Obama that will destroy his candidacy. If she succeeds, she will destroy our chances of winning against John McCain. So, you may think she's irrelevant, but we need Hillary's supporters unified on one ticket. We need independents joining us. The longer Hillary launches her negative attacks against Obama, the more damage she does. I realize some of you don't think she's causing any harm, and that's your right. We think you're seriously wrong, and we're not going to stand for it. So long as Hillary throws the kitchen sink at Obama, we're going to throw the kitchen sink at Hillary.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
You're correct John, because you're far closer to the source of things than most people on the forum relaize. I'm looking forward to that CNN story you'll post later on. I can't understand the complacency of the DNC. Their lack of involvement is beyond grasp. Keep up the good work.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
I'd rather see a Hypocrit or bigot award for the Hillbot express tactics rather than a monica.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
How about 3 Dino's ???
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
or how about Roves or Limbaughs or Ws?
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
or 3 Archie Bunkers.....
Far more fitting considering their tactics at destroying the party and our nominee
ClayPotts
· 1 year ago
Congrats, it's a Monica. Why not use the Monica cigar? There are plenty of pictures of those out there.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
I totally agree with you John. This is a blatant attempt to continue to damage Senator Obama. What bothers me more is the weak kneed response of the DNC. It is fine to sit on the sidelines and let the candidates take shots at each other it is quite another to allow the Clintons to destroy the Dem opportunity to take control of the Presidency, the house and senate, but that is exactly what they are doing. Like their constant support of the war funding by saying we can't be seen to be unpatriotic. Funding the war is not patriotic when our men and women are being killed and maimed. Funding the war is not patriotic when we have spent $1 Trillion on lies. Funding the war is not patriotic when they allow private contractors to walk away with $billions and do nothing to get accountability for the myriad of projects not completed, never started and poorly done. Funding the war is not patriotic when we have more Americans than ever without Health Insurance. Not cutting off the Clintons does nothing but continue the belief that the DNC has not balls and in fact serves no function. I stopped sending money to the DNC years ago. I fund local candidates and then pick and choose my candidates from across the country. The party as such will get nothing from me and allowing this contest to turn into a debacle has proven my point. The DNC is about retention of the status quo, no change, keep the pond level and don't allow youth to trump what we have built--a cocoon around Washington that must be retained at all costs.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Lynchie, I'd submit that the response you're seeing from the superdelegates and the DNC is the same response you're seeing from our readers in these comments. 1) We don't want to be mean. 2) We don't want to fight back because we don't believe Hillary can cause any real harm. And it's the response I usually get on my advocacy campaigns, people later on go "oh, you know, I thought you were being mean, but now I realize you were right."
tbhull
· 1 year ago
"oh, you know, I thought you were being mean, but now I realize you were right."
The reply is you know, everyone else knew this untrue spew before they did what they did at the ballot box. How do you explain why she lost in state after state. You cannot and she will not get the nomination.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
John: I agree. Liberals (that I know) aren't mean spirited. Liberals (that I know) bend over to be fair. Liberals (that I know) want to believe everyone should have a chance to move up the ladder at least one rung. However this is no longer an exhibition in liberalism. It is rather a petulant exhibition of everything the Democratic Party does not stand for. I have said on this blog many times that i am a life long member of the Liberal Party of Canada. I carry a card in my wallet that i show the world that proudly declares I am a Liberal. We are now beyond the competitive part of her candidacy. Now we are about exposing the Clinton's naked greed and contempt for Senator Obama and I might add for all Liberals in the U.S. Losing is hard, I understand it takes admitting that you didn't have what the other guy has. But losing is also about showing resolve and class. What we are seeing now is the Republican win at all costs, search and destroy, bring it on, your either with us or against us attitude that has become pervasive in this country. Where women are now supposed to be tougher than men, where everything is about being challenged to a fight and frankly i am appalled at how base this country has evolved to in 8 years.
profmarcus
· 1 year ago
did it ever occur to you folks that destroying obama is a deliberate strategy...? that throwing the election to mccain is being done by conscious intent...? that the power brokers will do anything to stop obama and that either hillary clinton or john mccain would be acceptable but definitely NOT obama...? why would you give the benefit of the doubt to hillary clinton who is demonstrating every bit as megalomanical tendencies as the bush gang of criminals by characterizing her tactics as being merely selfish and power-hungry...? don't you think it's entirely possible that hillary and mccain are simply two sides of the same coin...? it's time we woke up and shed our naivete...
The vitriol here makes it difficult to read Americablog. I voted for Obama in NC, reluctantly since I was an Edwards supporter, and I've read Americablog for years - but now I wince and skim over posts hoping to find some content not attacking Hillary. Besides, there's a good post at Media Matters: http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804300001 - which while it isn't the main thrust of the article, it does explain some historical context for Hillary staying in.
I think you're really reaching when you take the statement "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her..." and surmise that the "they" in that statement means Obama and not his supporters like you, who make fun of her supporters like he said, as well as the Clintons themselves. Give it a rest please.
maxstar212
· 1 year ago
The purpose of the convention is to pick the nominee. That is the traditional use of the Democratic convention. Republicans like the concept of unity more than Democrats. Democratic voters are individuals that form into groups that coalesce into coalitions. In New York, the New Deal coalition sticks, with the addition of Gay and Lesbian Rights as a major part of the coalition. Obama mentions Gay Rights in some speeches as if he is a God or something. Hillary talks about Gay Rights in concrete terms--anti gay teen suicide programs, using our state department to fight for gay rights internationally, and rights of our partners to get Visa's on the basis of our long term relationship. For the sake of keeping the Gay Rights agenda open in this campaign and after, I pray that Hillary stays in the campaign. And then we will come together after the convention.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
maxstar212, people are so polarized at this point, there will be NO Coming together by convention time !!!
Hillary's tactics are destroying a sure win for the WH and also congressional seats !!! We have a real chance to take back both houses with Obama but Hillary is destroying those efforts as well.
ms39047
· 1 year ago
"Guys, you're deluding yourselves if you don't think they're doing serious damage to Obama, and will continue to do so for the next month. She may be irrelevant to you, but she and her husband are out there every day telling voters that Obama is a black man who doesn't deserve their votes, who hates rural Americans, who his unelectable."
No John, YOU'RE on here every day telling people that the Clintons are out there saying these things.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Right MS39047, the voters would never hear Hillary's vile racist attacks on Obama if we didn't report them on AMERICAblog. Are you high?
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
ms39047: You're correct. Every day the Clintons are telling Americans not to vote for the Black Candidate. One of the reasons I refuse to donate until Obama clarifies his position on bailing Hillary out of debt.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
What I mean by "take back both houses" is that we might have a chance to gain a true majority so we can actually get more things through since the reThugliCons are simply filibustering everything now.
RickTaylor
· 1 year ago
I think there's enough ill filling between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters without brining up Monica, even as a joke. And I say that as someone who's been staggered at the lengths Hillary Clinton has been going to win.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
Every day Hillbot stays out there tearing down our Nominee....we lose more money for Congressional hopefuls (Act blue people).
We need to focus on McSame and SHUN Hillbot.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
John, not fair to Monica...just another victim of the Clinton legacy, IMHO.
How about a KKK award or something similar? After all, it's about Obama's being black and "unable" to understand how white working people have it--people who have a natural affinity with working class blacks as far as class is concerned--and how the Clinton legacy, in the form of NAFTA and other trade "deals" closed the door to decent wages for us.
The Clintons may not have started the class war, but they perpetrated it, and are now concentrating on creating a racial division.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Monica's probably appropriate, since Bubba seems to be the instigator for the dirtiest attacks.
Should do different photos, tho:
1. A monica.
2. A monica and a Jennifer Flowers.
3. A Monica, Jennifer Flowers and a Paula Jones.
4. A Monica, Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones and a Kathleen Willie.
5. A Monica, Jennifer Flowers, Paua Jones, Kathleen Willie and a Juanita Broderick.
pcvirginiabeach
· 1 year ago
Here is the deal. Obama pays 10 million in campaign debt, and nominates Hillary to the USSC during his term. Puts another woman on the court.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Interesting idea,PC, but there's no way the Senate is confirming Hillary to anything. Well, perhaps a job in the administration, but to the Supreme Court, no way
ms39047
· 1 year ago
No, I'm not high; actually I've been clean and sober for over 10 years. I also wasn't implying that anyone is getting "breaking news" from AMERICAblog. I was only pointing out that not everybody thinks Hillary is making "vile racist attacks" - it's something you feel. Bringing this up again and again and again isn't helping the party or Obama. Neither is making comments like, "are you high?"
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
No, sorry, but everyone does think Hillary is fanning racism. Especially after her "white Americans" comment, EVERYONE agreed that she's spewing racism. So, sorry, while it's possible you don't agree, you're simply wrong. As for bringing this up, Hillary doesn't get to play the victim card when she's the one attacking. We're democrats who fight back. She wants to get in the mud, then we'll get in the mud. But please, spare me the claims that I'm hurting Obama. Hillary is being sleazy, she's hurting our candidate, and unless someone stands up to her, she is jeopardizing our chances in the fall. I'm sorry, but we're not going to stand for that. Every time she opens her mouth and spews this kind of bile, she's getting a Monica.
gadabout
· 1 year ago
I'm with Revbones. This is silly and irrational. The tactics I see developing here reflect something I'd expect from the right. Why write to the lowest impulse when that method is already abundantly well represented.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Gadabout, of course these are the same tactics the right wing uses. They're the same tactics that Hillary is using against Obama. If she's going to spew right-wing hate, then we'll spew it back at her and make as big a mess as possible. Absolutely that's what we're doing. If this is what it takes to get our leaders in Washington to tell Hillary it's over, then so be it. But rest assured that Hillary is going to be on the receiving end of everything she throws at Obama. Fair is fair. You don't like it, then give her a call.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hillary on the Supreme Court?
Don't we have enough crooks there already?
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Frankly, as a woman, I'm appalled at using the victims of Clinton's predatory sexuality as "awards." Sure, some of them may have thought it glamorous to get close to the powerful, but most were not. Think of them what you will, but the fact is, these were nobodies like most of us, and fell into the Clinton web of deceit and sexual exploitation.
It's not about women, it's about racism and the Clintons' use of it, while not blatant, makes the point.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
I also agree with O&W. Any of the other suggestions below would be much better for "awards" than Monica.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Sounds like a plan.
Bludevlsadvocate
· 1 year ago
I agree with the others that Monica Lewinsky, poor thing, need not be dragged back into this. There must be some other way to award "demerits" to the Clintons than by USING Monica. (It seems like kind of a Rovian tactic, to me.)
And further, all these "hand-wringing" posts about Hillary "destroying" our nominee seem to assume that our nominee is completely incapable of dealing with Herself, and we and the SD's need to come to his rescue.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Again, some of you aren't getting it. Yes, these tactics ARE Rovian. That's the point. Hillary is using Rovian tactics against Obama and she, therefore, will be on the receiving end of those same tactics until she stops. We're not going to play fair while Hillary plays foul. Oh, and we're not going to sit back and "hope" that Obama is able to weather Hillary's sleazy attacks. That's what John Kerry did during the Swift Boat mess. We've learned our lessons. Sleaze gets fought back against immediately and overwhelmingly. No more Mr. Nice Democrat.
Ginger_FL
· 1 year ago
Blue, I don't think for a moment that Obama is incapable of defending himself...quite the opposite... what I object to is the Money drain away from congressional canadates who are losing out because of Hillbot's tactics.
Bludevlsadvocate
· 1 year ago
Now I agree with you there, Ginger. Hillary in her tantrum can surely suck money away from congressional democrats, but that was not what John was lamenting over.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Actually, Blue, Ginger is referring to a series of posts I did on Hillary sucking money from our congressional candidates. I even printed the email I got from a finance director of a congressional campaign explaining how Hillary was destroying them. So, excuse me, but that's exactly what I've been saying.
Reason0Politics1
· 1 year ago
My Friends,
profmarcus is the most accurate here. how can we continue to chalk up to coincidence, or personal character faults, OBVIOUS "behind the curtain" manipulation? Its insane at this point to believe the state of the Democratic Party is purely hap hazardness.
Seriously.
Just as in a real election, honest process, W couldn't win in 00', then certainly NOT in'04, ( Dean was cruising, then suddenly, we had a born to loose Kerry thrust on us..where he was NEVER meant to win ) here we Democrats find ourselves with the VERY REAL possibility of loosing the WH again, even after 2 terms of the most hated, most vial, most incompetent president ever. Statistically, ITS IMPOSSIBLE that the Dems could loose this race, and YET, we are staring at that precipice.
You can't make this shit up. Its surreal. And to cling to childish beliefs that its NOT being coordinated in back rooms deals, well, is mind numbingly naive'.
Seriously, folks, open your minds to the real. Hillary is following a script that was given to her; this is not genuine. Tammany Hall control of our election process is designed to merely give us the "feeling" of participation; in the end, our participation is meaningless.
Stop living in the Matrix and step out into the real. Did any hillbot supporter actually imagine that she could overcome the foaming mouth hatred soo many Limbaugh-O'Reilly listeners have for her? NEVER. Do we really believe that this ignorant Nation will ever elect a Black man? especially one with a Name B. Hussein Obama? Are you Nuts? Complete fantasy if you think it could.
After 8 years of outrageous, IN YOUR FACE Hypocracy, LIES, OVERT PLAIN OLD Corruption and SIGNIFICANT Scandal, I continue to see more W bumper stickers than I do Obama or Hillary. STILL, even after Torture, Fascist Government control and illegalities, use of mercenaries, the Katrina debacle, etc.
Politics are a complete smoke screen, used plainly to divert our attention from TRUTH.
dciii
· 1 year ago
I agree with everything you wrote, with the exception of the conclusion. Where I live There is much more support for Obama than for the other two candidates. This country will elect a half black man for president. Other than that , spot on.
Reason0Politics1
· 1 year ago
thanks, dciii
I HOPE you are right! Despite my obvious cynicism!
Spunky_Jitters
· 1 year ago
John is correct though when he says we have to fight fire with fire. All these years of republicans flinging their dog shit at us, and so far we have refused to throw it back because we are "better than that", which effectively makes them laugh their asses off. Like the big bully in the schoolyard playground, they are going to keep pushing us around until we fight back. Then we find out what a coward they are when they can't stand the heat. And I don't think Monica has to open her mouth quite that wide....
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Thanks Wolf. I'm kind of used to people not understanding the need for activism, the need to give as good as you get. It's the ancient Greek tale of Cassandra. The Gods give you the vision, but only under the proviso that no one will believe you :-)
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
I don't understand your rationale, John. Goddamnit, haven't the Rethugs (and the Clintons) done enough to women already? The Rethugs by totally dismissing all women and their rights; the Clintons by totalling dismissing women of all colors because they see hope in Obama and not the usual DC politics of yesteryear.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
See, Older, I'm just not going to play the "poor Hillary" game. She isn't poor Hillary. She's leading a multi-million dollar sleaze campaign against the Democratic nominee. That's as Rovian as you get, and it needs to stop. So I'm sorry but spare me the Hillary-as-victim card.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Frankly, as a woman, I'm appalled at using the victims of Clinton's predatory sexuality as "awards." Sure, some of them may have thought it glamorous to get close to the powerful, but most were not. Think of them what you will, but the fact is, these were nobodies like most of us, and fell into the Clinton web of deceit and sexual exploitation.
----
I guess you're right about Anita Broderick and Kathleen Willie and even Paula Jones.
They were unwilling victims of Clintons sexual advances.
I went a little far there.
cmpnwtr
· 1 year ago
I applaud this drumbeat. The Op/ed pages are running with the same narrative. (God, even David Broder!) And SNL was devastating last night. The Clintons need to be shown to the door and now!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
Frankly, as a woman, I'm appalled at using the victims of Clinton's predatory sexuality as "awards."
Monica was not a victim. She knew exactly what she was doing.
maye
· 1 year ago
John: I applaud you for continuing to call out the Clinton tactics. They are despicable. But I agree with others who have said don't use Monica. Leave her in peace.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Though, it must be added, two and maybe three of them believe Hillary was behind much of the character assassination they faced when they went public.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
So, Born, you think they were equals? Hardly. No contest, no matter what Monica thought.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
John, I'm not talking about Hillary as victim. She's shown herself as vicious as any male politician (even more so than some). I don't care about her, period. She's thrown her lot in, and it's foul.
vastydeep
· 1 year ago
I agree with the thrust of this - have a cigar (as the image - Monica is innocent here). With Hillary's scorched-earth campaign, I have to wonder "why"? What could *possibly* justify this overdone, mutually destructive an effort? Perhaps need to ask just what that $109M "bought"?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I think we have to start pushing this issue again.
It's obvious they're hiding something big.
Former president Bill Clinton said Thursday that he will not reveal the names of donors to the Clinton Presidential Library unless he is required to by law, rebuffing pressure from his wife's rivals for more disclosure.
"We don't believe in one set of rules for us and another set for everybody else," the former president said at a news conference in New York. "The people that have already given me money, I don't think I should disclose it unless there is some conflict of which I am aware -- and there is not -- because a lot of people gave me money with the understanding that they could give anonymously. And if they gave publicly they would be the target for every other politician in America."
At Wednesday night's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., said she was "sure [the former president would] be happy to consider" making public the names of donors to the library. But she refused to say whether she had asked him to do so.
"I don't talk about my private conversations with my husband," Clinton said.
She also touted a bill she’s sponsored that would require "sitting presidents" -- though not former presidents -- to reveal any donation to their presidential libraries. "I think that's a good policy," she said.
One thing: Senator Obama is NOT the nominee yet. He will most likely be the nominee but he's not yet.
Secondly, it's not the Superdelegates job to tell how the candidates to run their campaigns. They can, however show their approval or disapproval by confirming their selection early @ the Convention.
Bludevlsadvocate
· 1 year ago
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Mahatma Gandhi
Has it come so far that progressives need to resort to such tactics? If so, what makes us any better than those we oppose, who will do and say ANYTHING to achieve and retain power?
Let me be clear: Hillary deserves every bit of criticism and snark that we can give her. However, I don't like USING third parties as a way to strike back at her. There is plenty of other ammunition.
That's MY opinion, and if you want to respond with some vulgarity, go right ahead. It only makes my point.
plainbrown1
· 1 year ago
While Bill and Hillary might well deserve your critique - Monica most certainly doesn't! Please show some class and leave her out of it. She was just a young woman who had a young person's judgement. It would be nice if you showed some maturity and realized that she does not need to be used as a symbol of bad conduct!
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Plainbrown1, giv e me a break. Monica was in her mid twenties, not some innocent wide eyed teenager. Bill wasn't her first married man. In case you forgot, she earned her stripes with the married father of the children she babysat. She was a tramp long before Bill, as I'm sure the mother of those kids can attest. A whore is a whore.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Sorry, Blue, but shoot a metaphorical gun at me and mine, and you should expect the metaphorical same in return. I'm not going to give her a hug for trying to destroy Obama. She's going to get the same treatment in return. Yeah, Gandhi wouldn't have liked it, and she probably would have taken Gandhi down too :-)
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Thanks John. I hope this idea gets picked up all over the tubes. It's time to demonstrate to the Clintons' we aren't going to let them hijack our principals. Time to take off the gloves.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
This is an idea whose time has come.
dad
· 1 year ago
Monica was in her mid twenties
she was 21
Monica Lewinsky was 21 when, as a White House intern, she delivered pizza to the President, flirted with him, flashed her thong and began an 18-month relationship that involved oral sex, phone sex, an infamous incident with a cigar, a great deal of soul-searching about what he really felt for her and then increasing fear and panic as it became clear that the relationship could become public.
notanumber
· 1 year ago
SarainKC, FYI Monica was 22. And, your claim that Monica is a whore and tramp only reminds one of the low personal and ethical standards of the Clintons.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
Wow, Monica delivering a pizza and then flashing her thong sounds pretty trampy to me.
I have delivered take out food a few times at work and have never flashed my thong once.
notanumber
· 1 year ago
So your point is that you have higher personal standards than the Clintons?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I don't know but I kind of think maybe the Archie Bunker awards might have been better and more to the point.
vwcat
· 1 year ago
great idea, John. We need to start hitting back at the Clintons and let the supers know we are not happy with the party and their spinelessness when it comes to the Clintons. If the party wants to be free of the Clintons then, they need to grow a spine and shut her down. And if they won't then we will.
eve
· 1 year ago
Please don't use this Monica thing. Reminding voters of that scandal hurts all Democrats. Lots of independents and republicans associate that scandal with the Democratic brand -- some consciously and some subconsciously.
We want their votes for Obama and for all the other Democrats running for office. We are winning some of those votes because the republican brand is so bad right now. Partly due to so many republican sex scandals. So lets not be reminding people over and over and over of our biggest sex scandal.
It also generates sympathy for Hillary among some voters.
rosebud
· 1 year ago
This is not funny but downright offensive, don't you think you should leave Monica out of this? Find something else to use as a symbol.
DoctorJ
· 1 year ago
Bravo -- this is an excellent idea! If the Clintons won't back off race-baiting and attacking our presumptive nominee, then it's time to remind all voters what scum-bags they really are, and like it or not, Monica is one of the finer examples of Clinton depravity. And please people, stop defending the poor little girl for not knowing what she was doing! She was 21 at the time.
Francis
· 1 year ago
Please show our sleazy, first black president a little more respect. The Arabs and communist China have.
eve
· 1 year ago
Using Monica in this way is unfair to her. And being mean to her won't Obama.
I don't want to beat Rove by being Rove. If that's the best we can do then what's the point? Just keep Rove and his people.
I like Obama's message of change. He is demonstrating how to be tough and a fighter without being a Rove or a Clinton.
I think it is a good idea to bring up the facts about the Clintons. And Bill's infidelity is a fact. But must you use a person in such a mean-spirited way to make your point?
Take a clue from the brilliant strategist, Senator Obama. Get the information out there and make your point without being sleazy yourself.
dciii
· 1 year ago
John. My first reaction was to condone the use of monica lewinsky as a rating symbol. Then I thought it might be unnecessarily mean to ML. Ive come to the conclusion that if a person feels passionate enough about the attacks on Obama by HRC they should refer to every single Clinton scandal they can think of, even if third parties are involved. The point is to make the fight so bloody that the Democratic Party will have to step in and end it. John, run with this.
bigbadmike
· 1 year ago
I have been a Democrat all my life, and I am heartily sick of some of the losers my party has nominated to run against Republicans who could have been beaten. Also I am a Southerner, in fact I am a Memphian who was in High School in Memphis in April of 68, and I'll never either forgive or forget what black rioters did to destroy the most beautiful city in the South. All over a labor dispute which Jesse Jackson turned into a full blown race riot. The ultra left wing liberals from the northeast have forgotten what the Roosevelt coalition was, and that Southern Democrats were as important part of that coalition as the northern liberals were. Instead, the party nominates ultra left wing liberals whose ideas of unlimited abortion, affirmative action, homosexual marriage, and cowardice in the face of our nation's enemies, make every Southerner, every real patriot, choke in rage. And we won't vote for such candidates so the Republicans win. And it is happening again. Barack Hussein Obama is the worst possible candidate the Democratic party could possibly nominate. Obama is a Muslim. Under Muslim religious law, if the father was a Muslim, the child is a Muslim, even if the father has lasped in his faith. Therefore Obama is a Muslim. His Christian Pastor is a vicious black racist, who would just love to see people like me in prison camps, or executed because we are white, and our great-great-great-grand parents might have owned a slave, or might not have either. His friends, William Ayers and Bernadine Dorhne are two of the most vicious domestic terrorists ever known, the only difference between Ayers/Dorhne and Timothy McVeigh is that lawyers don't know how to make bombs. Oh and that Ayers is also a rapist (see Diane Ron). Obama's wife has made it clear that she hates our country. These are all facts, and they are undisputed. Smoothed over, explained away, oh this, oh that, but they are still facts. And they are still undisputed. And the McCain people already know this. They don't need Hillary's help to drag Obama through the wringer, Obama has already, by his own actions and statements, provided more than enough ammunition for the Republicans to beat us again. I am not a Hillary person either. But here is my promise. If Barack Hussein Obama is the nominee, I will vote for Ron Paul in the general election, and I will never call myself a Democrat ever again. And one more thing, thanks for telling me that Rick Noriega has signed on to the homosexual agenda, now I will not vote for him either. And if you are not a Texan, you keep your nose out of Texas politics, how we run our state is none of your damn business, Yankee.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Well there you have it, folks, straight from a 20%er spokesperson in all its ignorant advocacy for the United States to continue her slide into 3rd world status.
Of course you realize, Mike, that your time at the mic is about to end and then you'll have to slither back under your rock. So enjoy the sunshine while you can, you stupid bastard.
mirth
· 1 year ago
evers,
Conversely, Democrats acknowledging the shames of the Clinton presidency, Monica being only one, will most likely draw right-leaning Independents and also Republicans to our side in November.
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Far more fitting considering their tactics at destroying the party and our nominee
The reply is you know, everyone else knew this untrue spew before they did what they did at the ballot box. How do you explain why she lost in state after state. You cannot and she will not get the nomination.
http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/
I think you're really reaching when you take the statement "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her..." and surmise that the "they" in that statement means Obama and not his supporters like you, who make fun of her supporters like he said, as well as the Clintons themselves. Give it a rest please.
Hillary's tactics are destroying a sure win for the WH and also congressional seats !!!
We have a real chance to take back both houses with Obama but Hillary is destroying those efforts as well.
No John, YOU'RE on here every day telling people that the Clintons are out there saying these things.
We need to focus on McSame and SHUN Hillbot.
How about a KKK award or something similar? After all, it's about Obama's being black and "unable" to understand how white working people have it--people who have a natural affinity with working class blacks as far as class is concerned--and how the Clinton legacy, in the form of NAFTA and other trade "deals" closed the door to decent wages for us.
The Clintons may not have started the class war, but they perpetrated it, and are now concentrating on creating a racial division.
Should do different photos, tho:
1. A monica.
2. A monica and a Jennifer Flowers.
3. A Monica, Jennifer Flowers and a Paula Jones.
4. A Monica, Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones and a Kathleen Willie.
5. A Monica, Jennifer Flowers, Paua Jones, Kathleen Willie and a Juanita Broderick.
Don't we have enough crooks there already?
It's not about women, it's about racism and the Clintons' use of it, while not blatant, makes the point.
Any of the other suggestions below would be much better for "awards" than Monica.
And further, all these "hand-wringing" posts about Hillary "destroying" our nominee seem to assume that our nominee is completely incapable of dealing with Herself, and we and the SD's need to come to his rescue.
I don't think for a moment that Obama is incapable of defending himself...quite the opposite...
what I object to is the Money drain away from congressional canadates who are losing out because of Hillbot's tactics.
profmarcus is the most accurate here. how can we continue to chalk up to coincidence, or personal character faults, OBVIOUS "behind the curtain" manipulation? Its insane at this point to believe the state of the Democratic Party is purely hap hazardness.
Seriously.
Just as in a real election, honest process, W couldn't win in 00', then certainly NOT in'04, ( Dean was cruising, then suddenly, we had a born to loose Kerry thrust on us..where he was NEVER meant to win ) here we Democrats find ourselves with the VERY REAL possibility of loosing the WH again, even after 2 terms of the most hated, most vial, most incompetent president ever. Statistically, ITS IMPOSSIBLE that the Dems could loose this race, and YET, we are staring at that precipice.
You can't make this shit up. Its surreal. And to cling to childish beliefs that its NOT being coordinated in back rooms deals, well, is mind numbingly naive'.
Seriously, folks, open your minds to the real. Hillary is following a script that was given to her; this is not genuine. Tammany Hall control of our election process is designed to merely give us the "feeling" of participation; in the end, our participation is meaningless.
Stop living in the Matrix and step out into the real. Did any hillbot supporter actually imagine that she could overcome the foaming mouth hatred soo many Limbaugh-O'Reilly listeners have for her? NEVER.
Do we really believe that this ignorant Nation will ever elect a Black man? especially one with a Name B. Hussein Obama? Are you Nuts? Complete fantasy if you think it could.
After 8 years of outrageous, IN YOUR FACE Hypocracy, LIES, OVERT PLAIN OLD Corruption and SIGNIFICANT Scandal, I continue to see more W bumper stickers than I do Obama or Hillary. STILL, even after Torture, Fascist Government control and illegalities, use of mercenaries, the Katrina debacle, etc.
Politics are a complete smoke screen, used plainly to divert our attention from TRUTH.
I HOPE you are right! Despite my obvious cynicism!
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I guess you're right about Anita Broderick and Kathleen Willie and even Paula Jones.
They were unwilling victims of Clintons sexual advances.
I went a little far there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE
Monica was not a victim. She knew exactly what she was doing.
It's obvious they're hiding something big.
Former president Bill Clinton said Thursday that he will not reveal the names of donors to the Clinton Presidential Library unless he is required to by law, rebuffing pressure from his wife's rivals for more disclosure.
"We don't believe in one set of rules for us and another set for everybody else," the former president said at a news conference in New York. "The people that have already given me money, I don't think I should disclose it unless there is some conflict of which I am aware -- and there is not -- because a lot of people gave me money with the understanding that they could give anonymously. And if they gave publicly they would be the target for every other politician in America."
At Wednesday night's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., said she was "sure [the former president would] be happy to consider" making public the names of donors to the library. But she refused to say whether she had asked him to do so.
"I don't talk about my private conversations with my husband," Clinton said.
She also touted a bill she’s sponsored that would require "sitting presidents" -- though not former presidents -- to reveal any donation to their presidential libraries. "I think that's a good policy," she said.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09...
Secondly, it's not the Superdelegates job to tell how the candidates to run their campaigns. They can, however show their approval or disapproval by confirming their selection early @ the Convention.
Mahatma Gandhi
Has it come so far that progressives need to resort to such tactics? If so, what makes us any better than those we oppose, who will do and say ANYTHING to achieve and retain power?
Let me be clear: Hillary deserves every bit of criticism and snark that we can give her. However, I don't like USING third parties as a way to strike back at her. There is plenty of other ammunition.
That's MY opinion, and if you want to respond with some vulgarity, go right ahead. It only makes my point.
she was 21
Monica Lewinsky was 21 when, as a White House intern, she delivered pizza to the President, flirted with him, flashed her thong and began an 18-month relationship that involved oral sex, phone sex, an infamous incident with a cigar, a great deal of soul-searching about what he really felt for her and then increasing fear and panic as it became clear that the relationship could become public.
I have delivered take out food a few times at work and have never flashed my thong once.
If the party wants to be free of the Clintons then, they need to grow a spine and shut her down.
And if they won't then we will.
We want their votes for Obama and for all the other Democrats running for office. We are winning some of those votes because the republican brand is so bad right now. Partly due to so many republican sex scandals. So lets not be reminding people over and over and over of our biggest sex scandal.
It also generates sympathy for Hillary among some voters.
I don't want to beat Rove by being Rove. If that's the best we can do then what's the point? Just keep Rove and his people.
I like Obama's message of change. He is demonstrating how to be tough and a fighter without being a Rove or a Clinton.
I think it is a good idea to bring up the facts about the Clintons. And Bill's infidelity is a fact. But must you use a person in such a mean-spirited way to make your point?
Take a clue from the brilliant strategist, Senator Obama. Get the information out there and make your point without being sleazy yourself.
Of course you realize, Mike, that your time at the mic is about to end and then you'll have to slither back under your rock. So enjoy the sunshine while you can, you stupid bastard.
Conversely, Democrats acknowledging the shames of the Clinton presidency, Monica being only one, will most likely draw right-leaning Independents and also Republicans to our side in November.