DISQUS

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Can't someone shove a big fat cigar in his piehole for the next 80 days? (Of course, the media could ignore him, but why not stir up some shit to make the Dems look weak and divided)?

Butch1 · 1 year ago

This is typical of a sore loser. If he can screw up Obama's chances, he will. I plan on ignoring the first days of the convention, the days where both Clinton's try and abduct the convention and try one more time to steal it from Obama. I have truly, had enough from the both of them. I will never vote for a Clinton again if they ever present themselves, politically.

lynchie · 1 year ago

You mean Chelsea can't count on you for a vote and donation.

Butch1 · 1 year ago

Ha! She'd better not try. ;-)

devis1 · 1 year ago

Maybe some technical difficulties will arise when he gets to the podium.

Butch1 · 1 year ago

One can only hope.

mirth · 1 year ago

"Wonder if Bill will be booed or heckled at the convention."

Oh, I pray to gawd he is!

HelenaMontana · 1 year ago

Bill Clinton has become a horse's ass of truly epic proportions. I can't tell you how much I have been kicking myself for the better part of the last year for ever sticking up for him in arguments, not to mention tearing down all the "who shot Vince Foster" signs that some clown on a bicycle posted on all the lightpoles on Key Bridge 10 years ago.

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

Bill... as someone who voted for you once...

go away. go away mad if you'd like, just go the fuck away.

lynchie · 1 year ago

ditto for me

SouthernYankee · 1 year ago

I voted for him twice and now I wish he would shut his shelfish mouth.

martha · 1 year ago

And to think I use to defend this guy. I use to love hearing him speak, now I cringe and throw up a little. If we don't elect a democrat as president now, this country will be totally destroyed by 2012. But Bill and Hill don't care. It's all about them.

Butch1 · 1 year ago

President Clinton is no dummy and he knows exactly what he is saying and what he means. This is definitely a knife twist in Obama's back.

barkleyg · 1 year ago

If Obama loses this year, Clinton has NO chance to win the nomination in 2012. There will be a fresh new face on the block, and many Democrats like me will blame the Clintons for Obama losing in 2008.

Team players would not be hurt by an Obama loss. The Clintons have been FAR from being team players!

tlsintx · 1 year ago

would someone please parade past Bill with their thong showing...he's got too much time on his hands.

ginsmill · 1 year ago

I'm not so offended by Clinton's comments if in fact McCain has a good record (I'm not certain of his record as comapred to the whole) as the important issue is that the conversation be on the table. Many of us seem to want the conversation to be elevated but when the Repugs attack, it seems the Dems have to also. We lose. Obama has tried to keep it on topic and I still feel most Americans want that. Maybe we all watch the polls too much.

lynchie · 1 year ago

McCain has passed no legislation that anything of value for the average American. He has repeatedly voted against increased medical care, pay levels and armored protection for the troops. He has not voted in the last 400 votes in Congress. He has not been present in the House for almost 2 years. He was up to his armpits in the S&L fiasco and only the help of his buddy Ronny Raygun saved him there. The Keating 5 should have all gone to jail including McCain. He married his current wife before he divorced his first wife. He has turned his back on his wife and kids. Is that enough of a good record for you Bill Clinton. You ass blanket. You are like all the other criminals who claim they represent we the people. Please go away. Take your family and go on a speaking trip around the world. You offer nothing to America except more of the same.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

McCain's plan for CO2 reduction is the same as the one Bush was touting in 2000.

Which was a voluntary cap and trade system.

Voluntary means it will have no teeth and no effect.

You might as well not even bother.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

Perhaps it's time to bring back Monica.

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

bill wouldn't recognise her without liposuction.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

Tee hee...

tlsintx · 1 year ago

liposuction is a little radical...
all he needs is a good eye lid tuck and he'd recognize her just fine.

oh wait. nevermind. ;)

naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago

I wonder what the oil industry paid you, Bill. We all know you have insatiable appetites, including for money.

ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago

I would SO love it if Clinton got boo-ed at the Dem. convention.

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

He'd walk off... I just have this feeling that he'd do that.

ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago

All the more reason to boo him! Finally we have a way to get him off the stage!

mirth · 1 year ago

Clinton walk away from a camera?! No way. But his face would get all red and puffy and his gnarly finger would be stabbing the air.

Gah! The more I think about this the angrier I get. How fucking dare him! Never would I again vote for a Clinton.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

He'd yell: "Shame on you, Democrats!"

mirth · 1 year ago

Bill would say it twice and with emphasis:

Shame on you, Democrats. Shame. On. You.

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

yeah... but he wouldn't go away.

if you spurned bill... I have a feeling he'd go kkkarl rove on you.

ron071 · 1 year ago

Soundboy_jeff: Just a silent reaction to his speech if it veers from totally supportive. SILENCE, NOT APPLAUSE would be preferable to Democrats booing. He and Hillary will get the point for their future. Maybe they will then pull a Lieberman or a Zell Miller. That's what these self-serving addicts do.

Bobby · 1 year ago

What an asshole! I used to respect the man, and Hillary too, but they have managed to undo all the goodwill in the last 7 months by their conniving, manipulative, egotistical and selfish behavior.

Go to Hell, Bill Clinton!

lynchie · 1 year ago

This is the man Obama has given a prime time speaking spot to. This is the man the DNC says has accepted reality . In a pig's ass. They will attempt to destroy the party with a roll call vote and if that happens McCain might just win. Hillary should rename her book--"It takes a village of idiots to believe the Clintons are about anything but themselves".

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

It's not idiotic.

It's underhanded.

I never could stand Bubba.

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Hillary and her supporters are going to pull some crap at the convention...I said months ago that ROVE was covertly advising her.....

donotmakemecomedownthere · 1 year ago

Simple "NO MEANS NO" banners at the convention would kill two birds with one stone.

Mike_H · 1 year ago

I don't know, the quote in context isn't actually all that bad. It's almost no more than a backhanded compliment to McCain... "best of the Republicans" still isn't all that great!

And... Obama's energy plan isn't terrific, to be honest. His affection for nuclear and coal is hardly progressive. And he recently wobbled on oil drilling. If Obama's energy plan were better, I'd see Clinton's comments as more offensive, but there's less difference between McCain and Obama than there should be.

I think this is a bit of making a mountain out of a molehill, looking for new ways to be pissed at the Clintons rather than staying focused on unifying all democrats. If we picked at every comment by every politician, spun them, then I'm sure we could find ways in which all democratic leaders have dissed each other -- but that's hardly productive.

Ultimately, I'd like to see Clinton's words goad Obama into crafting a better energy policy, I think that would be far better for the future of the country.

mirth · 1 year ago

*rolls eyes* at Mike_H's comment.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

I agree. Was this in response to a question? Was this a part of a speech? All that you can find is a short "report".

I post this because most of you never read past the words John wrote.

Former President Bill Clinton on Monday praised Senator Barack Obama’s energy policy at the opening of the National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas.

But Mr. Clinton also lauded Mr. Obama’s rival, Senator John McCain, and said that either candidate would be progressive on the issue of climate change.

“Obviously, I favor Senator Obama’s energy positions, and Democrats have been by and large the more forward-leaning actors,” Mr. Clinton said. “But John McCain has the best record of any Republican running for president on the energy issue and on climate change.” He added, “I’m very encouraged about where the presidential rhetoric is in this campaign.”

Mr. Clinton’s remarks opened the two-day summit, held at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and organized by Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, and John Podesta, Mr. Clinton’s former chief of staff.

Mr. Clinton challenged Nevada to tap its abundant wind and sunlight to become the first carbon-neutral state. He also questioned the recent rush to support offshore drilling.

mirth · 1 year ago

So, how is it you know our reading habits? Hmmm?

The whole article (which I read) changes nothing. Bill Clinton is, once again, attempting sabotage of Obama's campaign.

Gah! You Clintoners never give up.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

But there is really no "meat and potatoes" to this article. I know you hate Clinton and dislike me but this article as reported is crap. My high school journalism teacher would have rejected it.

mirth · 1 year ago

No, fireblazes. I don't hate Bill Clinton. I merely do not want him anywhere near our government ever again. Ditto Hillary; her time for re-election cannot come soon enough.

And I don't dislike you. Why would you think that? I don't like some of the stuff you write and I say so, but that has nothing to do with you personally.

Whether or not you like the way the article is written, one fact remains: This is a time for Democrats to be united before the country.

Certainly this is not the time for Bill or any other Democrat to praise DrillDrillDrill McCain, about their energy "policy" or anything else.

So either Bill is still snaggled up in his miffdom or he's losing his political smarts.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

To quote a famed NM politician. "You can't force sand down a dead horse's throat!" BC is the most successful democrat since Roosevelt, ya'll need to just calm down till after the convention. If it don't change then, well I am with you. Have some faith in the process and let us see what happens.

EDIT Actually to paraphrase the quote is something like "you can't pound sand down the throat of a dead horse". I believe it was uttered in relation to the on-going ABQ west mesa petroglyph controversy several years ago.

mirth · 1 year ago

fireblazes, you derisively refer to us, your fellow commenters, as NEOS, yet it was the Clinton's who lurched the party to the middle.Or don't you recall their "Centrist" crap?

Contrary to most of our earlier opinions, this election cycle has revealed the Clintons to be what they are and have been all along: frauds. Liars and frauds.

I could singlehandedly do an Onate on a Bill Clinton statue for what he did to the Democratic Party and to further the NEOCon objectives.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Awesome! We will just have to disagree. The Clintons were doing what
they had to. They did not win. Yet, they still control 50% of the
party, and we are not going away.

mirth · 1 year ago

The facts are on my side :) but, yes, we'll agree to disagree.

Don't confuse that with like or dislike. Truth is I dig you.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Thanks, sometimes it just seems so personal. Truth be told I like
being the rebel.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Precisely the poing mirth: The statement has no merit, and can only serve to work for McCain: The Republicans will use this to their advantage.

Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago

“I’m very encouraged about where the presidential rhetoric is in this campaign.”

um, would it kill him to mention WHY we are discussing energy at all? or that McCain had to be dragged kicking and screaming to talk about energy alternatives? would it kill him to respond to mccain's pandering to big oil (more tax breaks, "drill here now") ? John is entirely right about bill clinton. he is a self-important asshole trying to look like an eminence grise. his MO is to damn Obama by faint praise. WTF does this man want?

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Once again, there is no context at all to this quote. It would seem to be written by a fox news intern.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

What you fail to key in on is; that Clinton should never have said (period) that both candidates will be progressive on the issue of climate change. He said that for a reason, and if not for a convert reason, it was ill-advised and short sighted.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

I'm sorry, I do not buy into your belief that we should blindly follow
anyone. If my or anyone's opinion differs then we should be able to
express it. I really thought we were electing a president not another
dictator.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

You could very well be an idiot in disguse on this site! There is absolutely nothing in my statement that suggests that we follow anyone blindly. The politics of this election may very well be outside your range of comprehension.

Republicans love puppets like you, who think "they're" being wise and witty.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

I stand by my statement. You take things way too personal. It was
meant as a general statement about this election. Please keep your
personal attacks to your self. Resorting to name calling is unwise
and unwitty. Although it does seem to be working for Mcsame.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

I really don't give a flying *uck what you stand by. Email again and I'll embarrass you on a continual basis. You're out of your league here.

Or, would you like to go one one....idiot?

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Fine you win. I don't have the will or the energy.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Fine you win. I don't have the will or the energy.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Thanks, I like those who submit willingly. In the future, avoid any remarks on a comment I might make. I have no tolerance for anyone lacking basic common sense.

Your comments stand out like a sore thumb among the rest!

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

If you agree to the same terms. Then its a deal.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

No, I'll continue to correct your thinking. Make sure you don't respond to mine. Otherwise, all hell will break loose.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Like what kind of hell?

blackwolf · 1 year ago

You get to be my bitch now:)

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

cool

blackwolf · 1 year ago

I think it's cool too. Every ace should have one.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Now, proclaim it to the forum! Otherwise I'll remind you each post.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

not gonna happen. you fool yourself. but not me.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Give me what I ask. You said cool. So tell the forum in your own words now.

I'll ask the same thing on every post of yours I can find. And, I'll remind you who you belong to now on this blog.

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

"Obviously, I favor Senator Obama's energy positions, and Democrats have been by and large the more forward-leaning actors," Mr. Clinton said

Mike_H · 1 year ago

Indeed... the takeaway here is that, when the topic was energy, Clinton was generally pleased that the overall tone has improved, but specifically supports Obama over McCain. Nothing insidious there unless you really reach and spin and twist.

And that's not something we should be doing at all, never mind to each other. There are better ways to get Obama elected. Assuming that's the goal.

Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago

by and large? GMAFB

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Yeah, some democrats positions really suck. Some have good positions. Some have none.

Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago

which category does bill fall in?

Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 1 year ago

Oh please, if we had a decent report on what he said at the energy forum we would know. But all we have is this little well placed hit piece! Designed to piss you off and divide the dems. Neo-dems (copyright) fall for this crap every time!

Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago

doesn't read like a hit piece at all. reads like something bill would say. reads like something he would never say if hillary were the nominee. if bill himself is not tring to "divide the dems" he should know what to say at this stage. betcha he says nothing.

Indigo · 1 year ago

HIllary has no chance in 2012. Didn't the Mayan prophecy say that she would be transformed into a celestial sea shell and drift into the Black Hole in the center of the Milky Way galaxy to disappear forever? or something like that?

Ann_in_KC · 1 year ago

07/05/08 Bill Clinton

“Every living soul on this planet has some highly-justified anger. Everyone. If you know anybody who was a P.O.W. for any time, they can be going on for years and all of a sudden something will happen that will trigger all those bad memories.”

KISSman · 1 year ago

...and this is exactly why Hillary can't be VP.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Bill is an idiot, and proves it every time he opens his mouth.

evan_la · 1 year ago

He's far from an idiot. Everything he says is carefully crafted. What we need to know is, what's the motivation here? Someone please talk to these Clintons. Convince them this is wrong.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

Evan_la: You're correct. It is carefully crafted. He said it for a reason.

ron071 · 1 year ago

RULE OR RUIN IS THE CLINTON MO. Talking to them is useless. They have their toxic and self-centered agenda. This seems to become more clear by the day.

Milli · 1 year ago

Who woulda thunk that Bill is passive-aggressive?

lynchie · 1 year ago

Here is a nice site to get the latest on McCain's voting record on oil support, climate change, renewable energy. Clinton's contention that McCain is a supporter is pure unadulterated horseshit.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/20...

McCain Boasts of Global Warming Record, But Solutions Are Absent From His Website. The "environment" page of the "issues" category of his website acknowledges the importance of limiting carbon emissions, but gives no specific policy that he would advocate to do so.

McCain Has No Plan To Increase Energy Efficiency. Though a recent study by McKinsey &Co. found that the best way to make deep cuts in carbon emissions is to improve energy efficiency of buildings, appliances, and other energy consumers, McCain's understanding of the problem is woefully lacking. He has proposed a program of "energy audits," a system Dr. Joseph Romm calls "a weak, uncoordinated, narrowly-targeted action. They will barely have any impact when it comes to large commercial users who can already afford them
McCain Opposes Renewable Electricity. A renewable electricity standard would require utilities to generate a certain portion of their electricity from wind, solar, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources. Twenty six states, including Arizona, have such requirements. In 2002 and 2005, there were votes in the Senate to require utilities nationwide to generate 10 percent or 20 percent of their electricity from renewable energy resources. Sen. McCain voted against renewable electricity every time.

2005: Voted against a renewable portfolio standard

2002: Voted against 20 percent requirement:

2002 (Vote 55): Voted to gut 10 percent requirement:

2002 (Vote 59): voted to gut 10 percent requirement:

So again we have another Washington has been spout bullshit and support for McCain where there is no substance. McCain's voting record on every issue is to support big business and vote against American electorate. Clinton needs to fuck off to Africa or wherever and keep his mouth shut.

jr · 1 year ago

"PUMA for life"-Bill Clinton

ron071 · 1 year ago

The Clintons have become the TROJAN HORSE. They are toxic and, unless stopped, can do harm. His legacy and her political future are caput!

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