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AMERICAblog: Black Republican leader says it's not offensive to disparage a black man as "a negro"

  • cowboyneok · 11 months ago
    Well, well, well - Ken Blackwell - MEET the Log Cabin Republicans! I'm sure you will be GREAT friends since you share the same values of throwing your people under the bus to score political points with your BIGOTED party!
  • cowboyneok · 11 months ago
    I'm gonna ask my African American neighbors/friends what they think of Mr. Blackwell. I'm sure they will NOT be amused.
  • John Aravosis · 11 months ago
    Ask them what they think of someone calling them, to their face, "negroes." Seriously, I'd like to know if they agree that it's basically inoffensive unless you're hypersensitive.
  • cowboyneok · 11 months ago
    I don't have to ask. My grandmother mistakenly used the word "negra" to describe black people, and I had to apologize to them and ensure they understood she came from another era. Like we all have been saying, it was okay to use the term in the 1960's... My grandmother was in her nineties and the neighbors didn't even bat an eye when SHE said it, but they all laughed and nodded when I apologized for her. I explained to her that "colored" and "negra" or "negro" was no longer acceptable and she asked, "Well, what is the word today?" I told her African American, and she said, "Hmmm.... okay, I'll try to remember that but please tell them I'm an old woman, but I'm a good Democrat, even though I might slip up now and then..." She was great. Miss her greatly. So do her African American neighbors who loved "Miss Ann" who proudly displayed her Democratic political signs in her yard, and they LOOKED out for her, and they had her back!
  • JD_Rhoades · 11 months ago
    Unfortunately, a lot of white Southerners pronounced it "nigra". Some still do.
  • Hornet · 11 months ago
    Peace be with your grandmother
  • tlsintx · 11 months ago
    this is rush limbaugh racism pure and simple. the GOPers have learned a new word..."satire"...and they think it means you can say whatever you want and get away with it.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 11 months ago
    Labels are a very simple way to divide and conquer. Labels peg people into neat and tidy boxes so that others can feel superior to them, in their own minds. This is why I disagree with most of my gay brethren on the word "faggot". I use this word VERY freely with many people, gay and straight, homophobe and gay friendly. By using this word easily and freely, I not only gain some shock value...which I love...and I also DISEMPOWER the word totally. I believe that by keeping the word lively, it eventually fizzles its power. Whenever I am called faggot by some trash homophobe I usually say something like "educated and intelligent people usually don't use that word...usually it's really only something white trash use." The term white trash here in the South is very powerful and very ugly. As a Bostonian, I don't think it all that nasty, since we preferred "swamp Yankee"...which I always found very funny. So for me bandying about "white trash" is fun and apparently really offends the average white Southerner. Honey, if you can call me faggot, then I can call you white trash. There now that feels better. And since I've deflated the word faggot anyway in this scene, then I walk away feeling SUPERIOR to YOU!!!! Quid pro quo. So labels, no matter how harmless, or harmful, can be deflated by ignoring their power. Would I ever use the N word with a black friend? Never...unless of course he found it a turn on in bed...
  • Indigo · 11 months ago
    A "faggot" is a bundle of sticks. I'm a fag! damnit!
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 11 months ago
    Yes since they burned us bundled as a bunch of sticks during the
    Inquisition. Amazing isnt it that Jesus really likes it when you burn
    people, torture people, etc. i still think faggot is a badge of honor to me.
  • Smitty · 11 months ago
    A fag is also a cigarette.
  • Indigo · 11 months ago
    Goota light?
  • Some Guy · 11 months ago
    You're confused. "Negro" is not, and has never been a pejorative term. Listen to any of Martin Luther King's speeches if you need clarification on this point.
  • tlsintx · 11 months ago
    white trash?
  • Smitty · 11 months ago
    Or... as we call them in Alabama, Jerry Springer guests.
  • Indigo · 11 months ago
    Bwaa-ha-ha-ha! We say that in Florida too!
  • John Aravosis · 11 months ago
    You're being disingenuous. You would never call a black person a "negro" to their face because you know you'd probably end up with a fist in your face. The reason that it was an acceptable word 40 years ago and a slur today is that words change meaning over time. The word "gay" used to mean happy. Now it means homosexual. The word Oriental meant Asian. Now it's considered archaic and somewhat demeaning. Negro and Colored used to be mainstream terms. Now they're terms used by racists. The meaning of words changes over time, it's a simple fact of linguistics. And again, I reiterate, you KNOW that you wouldn't dare call a black man a "negro" to his face. You already know that the word is a slur.
  • Smitty · 11 months ago
    BTW John, love your blog.
  • woodka · 11 months ago
    I wouldn't call a black person black to their face either, or a gay person gay to their face. If I'm speaking face to face with someone, I find out their name and address them properly.
  • Some Guy · 11 months ago
    It's not a slur just because you stamp your little foot and say it is. Also, your claim that I wouldn't "dare" to do something is nothing but a projection of your rather silly insecurities.
  • tlsintx · 11 months ago
    go ahead. please use the word proudly in public. report back on what happens to your face.
  • JD_Rhoades · 11 months ago
    Actually, a few years ago, I witnessed a fight between a black guy and a white guy in which the white guy snarled "Fuck off, Negro!" I wouldn't call the black guy so much offended as baffled, as were most of the spectators. It's just an archaic word. He might as well have called his opponent "varlet."

    However, as pointed out above "Magic Negro" does describe a certain stereotype that many do find offensive: that of the simple-minded yet wise African-American with vaguely alluded to supernatural powers. Think the Michael Clarke Duncan character in The Green Mile.
  • Some Guy · 11 months ago
    I actually listened to the song, because I wanted to know what I was talking about, which it seems that few here have bothered to do.

    The song is lampooning Al Sharpton, (and implicitly the rest of the race-baiting guilt-trip peddlers like Jesse Jackson), because of their obvious jealousy of Obama.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 11 months ago
    Scatman Crothers in The Shining. (Stephen King has a thing for this stereotype). Whoopi Goldberg in Clara's Heart. Ethel Waters in The Member of the Wedding. Morgan Freeman in virtually every movie. And on and on.
  • Ted · 11 months ago
    --You would never call a black person a "negro" to their face because you know you'd probably end up with a fist in your face.

    So you're saying that black people are inherently violent? Yikes!
  • Smitty (John) · 11 months ago
    Go to YouTube and search barack magic negro and find ONE, just one, youtube where the song is not used to denigrate our president. If the word wasn't a degrading term, Rush Limbaugh wouldn't have played it on his show.
  • cowboyneok · 11 months ago
    LOL - You sound like Condi Rice trying to claim her Republican party is the "Party of Lincoln." Yea, the Party of Lincoln BEFORE they got invaded by the nasty Dixiecrats and used a racist Southern Strategy to morph into the nasty bigoted party they are today. Words, and parties change and morph into new things. (You have to keep up, or you will find yourself on the dark side thinking you are a saint.) A good litmus test is to ask yourself, "What has the party done for minority rights, lately?" Answer that one... and you will see which party supports the bigots and which one defends minority rights.
  • Gary SF · 11 months ago
    Actually, even though Lincoln 'freed the slaved,' he was a racist. He wanted to send 'them' all back to Africa. So maybe the Republicans ARE like Lincoln.
  • Some Guy · 11 months ago
    If today's republicans were still like Lincoln, there's no way they would have let the Democrats win this last election. Lincoln posted troops at the polling places when he got "re-elected".

    Check out Thomas DiLorenzo's book "The Real Lincoln". You'll get quite a few surprises.
  • AdrianBrowne · 11 months ago
    Republicans: living in the past
  • tbhull · 11 months ago
    Perhaps Mr. Blackwell should now only be referred to as the Negro named Ken or Ken, he's a negro you know.
  • Candace · 11 months ago
    When I first read an article about this story I was shocked Chip Saltsman would actually find it lighthearted to call someone, moreso the president elect a"magic negro". The term "negro" evokes a painful past. During slavery and jim crow, negro was a way of saying you are not white and thus not equal and we all know the derivatives from the word negro. This is why black people are now called African American, post civil rights movement because of the racial connotations on the term negro. How many of you have had any civil rights leaders today call black people negro americans..?? Negro meant sub class. so for Blackwell to dismiss this as hypersensitivity is gravely wrong. Like John says, the only people that use the term negro these days are racists and bigots who refuse to respect African Americans!
  • gwpriester · 11 months ago
    At some point, we need to stop thinking of people in terms of labels and start thinking of them in terms of who they are and what they stand for.

    Am I hopeless naive? Of course.
  • Wendy · 11 months ago
    Look at who's saying it and you pretty much know whether it's disparaging or not.
    In my long, liberal lifetime of "accepted" terminology, it started with "Don't say colored. Say Negro."
    Then it went from Negro to Afro-American, and Afro-American to Black.
    Now, I still stumble over African-American" most of the time, and revert to saying Black.
    If I have to say anything at all, which is indicative of the problem.
    Oh well.
  • Indigo · 11 months ago
    If Uncle Tom says so, it must be true.
  • BostonJoe · 11 months ago
    Please People the Song is a parody!! Lighten Up!! David Ehrenstein wrote an editorial for the L. A. Times titled "Obama the Magic Negro" on March 19, 2007. There was no outrage then, Why now??
  • larry · 11 months ago
    It isn't the word Negro, it is its combination ..."the magic negro"....that is the offense....come on we know what Saltsman meant and what the GOP means by the happy parody. The republican party lead by Saltsman would be a good thing because it will finally define thru the chairmanship what the party is now...a southern regional heavily racist party...it is the old Strom Thurmond Dixiecrats and some stragglers from the rest of the country but make no mistake..it is a "southern"(old south) political organization. Lincolns party died in 1976.
  • pdxprobert · 11 months ago
    In a perfect world, it would be nice to know that when a person wants to chide or deride an opponent or reference another person who is technically not a member of the majority, that the first thing they choose to identify them, isn't their minority status... especially when their minority status has nothing to do with the comment being made about them....
  • aimai · 11 months ago
    Man, these guys are still bitching about the "oreos" that were supposedly thrown at blackwell,a ren't they? And still bitching about Jane Hamsher making fun of Joe Lieberman's *al jolsonesque* jewish man who represents black people shtick about how his civil rights background makes up for his current day warmongering. All she did was represent Lieberman in blackface--which was either offensive to Lieberman as a jew because it made fun of al jolson's "the jazz singer" or offensive to black people because I'd be offended if they tried to offload lieberman onto my race, too. But at any rate, lets be clear, its only an outrage if it happens to republicans. Otherwise its no harm no foul.
  • Tyke · 11 months ago
    Those were both called out as offensive at the time.

    But maybe words can only be read and comprehended if they support your twisted hypothesis.
  • 1st Republic 14th Star · 11 months ago
    1 -- The song is sung by a Paul Shanklin, a Southern white guy doing what he thinks is an Al Sharpton impersonation.

    2 -- The premise of the song is that "real" black people shouldn't support Obama because he not an "authentic" black man.

    A white guy pretending to be black telling people not to vote for Obama because he's not "really" black -- what could possibly be considered racist about that?
  • Jack J. · 11 months ago
    Is this a joke or are you truly a moron?

    It's idiots like you that make the GOP what they are today: not only a refuge for the country's intolerant, greedy, bigoted and cluless but a dump for the "All American" closet queens and their wives and self-loathing "colored" folk.

    Here's your one finger salute as you circle the bowl on your way to oblivion.
  • 1st Republic 14th Star · 11 months ago
    Was that comment meant for me?

    If so, I'm stunned -- do you not get sarcasm?

    I would have thought my disagreement with Blackwell's comments about "Barack the Magic Negro" song were self evident. I guess you didn't go to my blog and read my posts so you could get a clear picture of my political point of view. I guess you're just not bright enough to get sarcasm.
  • Tyke · 11 months ago
    The sarcasm was quite obvious to me. Not sure why anyone would miss it.

    Maybe Jack J.'s post is just really really bad snark?
  • katiec · 11 months ago
    The southern politicians are, hopefully on the road to self destruction. Between their racism, radical religious right, trying to break the unions and never taking blame for all their mistakes proves they are totally incapable of trying to unite our country, support middle class America, and get past party lines for the survial of our country. Unfortunately, too many southern voters think the same way.
  • lucky hussein · 11 months ago
    OT, but meanwhile, it''s a good day for killing in isreal as 200 gaza residents dead, hundreds wounded, not sure how any of them are 'guilty' or 'war casualties' - i wonder how many israelis have been killed or injured by the 'bottle rockets' that get fired from gaza? <snark> i'm sure this will show those hamas supporters they better back down and not support hamas. i'm sure this will make them think twice about firing any rockets </snark>
  • mirth · 11 months ago
    Bush: "Hamas must stop firing rockets into Israel."

    Obama: "Hamas must stop firing rockets into Israel."
  • Tyke · 11 months ago
    Yes of course Obama should use all of his power as president and commander in chief to do something about his ...

    ... except Obama isn't president
    ... or commander in chief.

    But those with Obama Derangement Syndrome will blame him for not being president yet anyway.
  • mirth · 11 months ago
    The world isn't listening to every word from Obama?
  • JD_Rhoades · 11 months ago
    So, again, what should he be saying? "Hamas, keep 'em coming?"

    BTW Mirth, where do you see that Obama's even said ""Hamas must stop firing rockets into Israel"? All I've seen is this: "Yesterday, Obama's transition team was more cautious, adhering to its policy of not commenting on foreign developments because there should be "one president at a time." Brooke Anderson, Obama's national security spokeswoman, said only that Obama "is closely monitoring global events, including the situation in Gaza."

    So where did you get your quote from?
  • mirth · 11 months ago
    JD,

    I did not save the news article where yesterday I read the quote from Obama, so I cannot link it here.

    However, in July Obama said this:

    "I don't think any country would find it acceptable to have missiles raining down on the heads of their citizens," he said. "The first job of any nation state is to protect its citizens. And so I can assure you that if -- I don't even care if I was a politician -- if somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."

    And in March Obama said this:

    "The violence in Gaza is the result of Hamas's decision to launch rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, and Israel has a right to defend itself."

    Quoting Alex Koppleman in this current Salon article:

    In fact, he also said [in March] something that sounds nearly identical to what Bush spokesperson Johndroe said today about civilian casualties. Said Obama, "I remain very concerned about the fate of civilians and urge Israel to do all it can to avoid civilian deaths and to keep its focus on Hamas, which bears responsibility for these events."

    So you tell me, how does Obama's statements regards Israel/Hamas differ from those of Bush and the accepted AIPAC party line?

    The rest of your comment is undeserving of a reply.
  • Tyke · 11 months ago
    Shorter Mirth

    He didn't say what I said he said, but I don't like him so there!
  • JD. Rhoades · 11 months ago
    "What should he be saying" is a perfectly legitimate question. Your avoidance of that question speaks volumes.

    No one...Bush or Obama, should be for raining down missiles on a civilian population. Nor should they be approving Israel's indiscriminate airstrikes. do you have any evidence that Oama is doing so?
  • JD_Rhoades · 11 months ago
    Are you saying that either of them should be be saying "Hamas should keep firing rockets into Israel?"
  • JustAsking101 · 11 months ago
    So from Ken Blackwell and now Michael Steele's point of view, the term " Magical Negro" is not racist. Does altering Puff's lyrics to Ken the Uncle Tom Negro or Michael the Uncle Tom Negro or Clarence the Uncle Tom Negro also constitute non-racism in their view? If they were called a "whigger" would that constitute racism? Does it take a "high tech lynching" to recognize racism yet leaving a noose hanging in a school yard isn't racism? Is
  • UncleGlenny · 11 months ago
    Calling Obama a "magic negro" not so much insults Obama as it implies that his followers are irrationally imputing to him the capacity to be the deus ex machina of this tragicomic farce we're currently living through.
  • Bill M · 11 months ago
    The same Uncle Tom who stole Ohio for Bush in 2004.

    Bet he shines shoes on the weekends.
  • tbhull · 11 months ago
    A bit rough.

    I heard Alberto now trims the Bushes.
  • Bubbles · 11 months ago
    Am I the only one seeing the silver lining in all of this?

    This can only serve to marginalize the Republican party further.

    Bigotry is a luxury for idiots. Most people look at that kind of politics and figure that's what has moved us onto the brink of disaster.

    On a personal level I don't like it, but on a personal level I love seeing the Republican party further self destruct. No reasonable person is going to take a leadership position in that party. (Actually the last election proved that - they're a party of clowns now). They are becoming a party of the trite. Long may they trite.
  • An_American_Karol · 11 months ago
    In 04 the Republicans knew they were in trouble with the voters. They knew they needed to change how they reached out to minorities and Independents. In 08 the Republicans knew they needed to combat the perceptions within their party of racism, religious bigotry, homophobia..., they just couldn't do it.
    They simply can not move past the 20% electorate who still believe Bush is a great president, god belongs in the Oval Office, blacks need to stay in ghettos, Mexicans are destroying our economy, gays want to "convert" their youth....
    I can understand it with Rush. 20% is a huge audience, but Blackwell and the Republican leadership need to understand by doing the same thing over and over, a new result will be unlikely.
  • Jack J. · 11 months ago
    You know, this is simple.

    The word "negro" does not just slip from the lips of anyone under 70 years old, especially if they are one of today's Republican "tool". They know that word will remind Blacks that of the insult discrimination and white dominance, they KNOW this.

    That is why the word is used, not as satire (Limbaugh wouldn't know satire if it came in a pill) but to play to the racist. John A. is right, call a Black person "negro" the get ready for either a verbal or physical punch in the face.

    As for Blackwell, the "Uncle Tom" had more self respect. You know damn well he's been called worse thatn "negro" by his fellow Repukeblicans.
  • Some Guy · 11 months ago
    You have these rather lurid fantasies of violence over words. Have you discussed them with a therapist?

    I think it's rather racist of you to presume that black people are so easily provoked.
  • Bush Bites · 11 months ago
    Blackwell's an "Uncle Tom's Cabin" Republican.
  • offspring · 11 months ago
    so if negro is offensive, please tell me why there is a united NEGRO college fund yet not outrage, or the national advancement of COLORED people, hmm no outrage, or better yet the black congressional caucus, which in accordance with the congressional bylaws in and of itself isn't supposed to exist as it discriminates, and oh gee of course no outage.
  • Hornet · 11 months ago
    It fell out of favor by the 1970s in the United States after the Civil Rights movement. However, older African Americans from the period when "Negro" was considered acceptable, initially found the term "Black" more offensive than "Negro". Evidence for this is in historical African-American organizations and institutions' use of the term--such as the United Negro College Fund. In current English language usage, "Negro" is generally considered acceptable in a historical context, such as baseball's Negro Leagues of the early and mid-20th century, or in the name of older organizations, as in Negro spirituals, the United Negro College Fund or the Journal of Negro Education. The U.S. Census now uses the grouping "Black or African American."
  • Sling Shot · 11 months ago
    It is said that laughter is the best medicine. It is often used out of frustration or as a display of pain but should pass the "love thy neighbor as thyself" test. I myself have used Old Testament scripture that did not pass the test and for that I am sorry.
  • IAmATVJunkie · 11 months ago
    I haven't taken anything Ken Blackwell says seriously since he stole Ohio votes for Kerry in 2004.

    Why even mention him? He's irrelevant, he threw an election.
  • refresh · 11 months ago
    Maybe Blackwell and Saltsman can be invited to speak at the inauguration alongside Warren.
  • RitornaVincitor · 11 months ago
    I remember when the word "Negro" was acceptable to blacks as well as non-blacks of good will. It was the respectful term, as opposed to the "N" word. Next came the term "Afro-American" Then "Black". Then "African American". And I think it's probably still PC to say "Black", though I could be wrong on that. However I heard Obama use both "Black" and "African American" during a recent 60 Minutes interview. But I never realized that "Negro" had become such a derogatory. It certainly wasn't intended as such during the 1950's and early 1960's. It was, at least in the North East where I grew up, considered the respectful term. "Colored" was the more familiar term, and could be used with or without good will. But it too was an alternative to the hateful "N" word, and was frequently used by people who did not intend disrespect.
  • James McConnell · 11 months ago
    Yep. First I've heard of it, too. I thought the term was the more respectful and correct anthropolicial /scientific descriptive form. And I've been doing civil rights since 1964. So, is the term 'caucasian' also now considered disrespectful? Basically i figure you get to be called what-the-hellever you want or described scientifically without the teehee. Personally, I prefer to be labelled, if I must, as homosexual. There is nothing 'gay' about it and I think the term tends to trivialize us.
  • RitornaVincitor · 11 months ago
    I still have trouble with the word "Queer", though I understand the desire to "take the word back" from the haters. It's interesting to see how the "movement" decides which names to use, and how they get us to comply. I know what you mean about the word "Gay". But it sure beats "Catomite".
  • ImpureScience · 11 months ago
    Same here. When I was a kid in grade school 'Negro' became the accepted polite term to use, and the original n-word was deprecated as extremely offensive, with 'colored' deprecated as well as being the last generation's attempt at a polite term, not particularly derogatory but out of date. When did 'negro' become offensive? I know it's passe in modern usage but was never aware until now that the connotation had changed so.
  • RitornaVincitor · 11 months ago
    It's all pretty fascinating. I sometimes think a perfectly respectable word becomes tarnished by association, and then society decides it's time for a new word.

    But getting back to the "N" word, I remember the old candy called "Ni**er Babies". In my family they were known as "Black Babies", and I didn't know any differently until I learned to read. When I finally asked my mother about it she said, "We don't use that word." It's amazing to me now that a candy with that name existed in the 1950's.
  • tlsintx · 11 months ago
    when rush limbaugh plays a song about Barack the Magic Negro you know the term is derogatory. it's a foolproof test.
  • ImpureScience · 11 months ago
    Well, yes, certainly. In that case it seems to me that context is at
    least as important as the actual wording, though.
  • RepoMan · 11 months ago
    Thank God we still have Iraqis to make fun of and kill. 1.2 million dead by my last count!
  • Silverlakejim · 11 months ago
    I'm Black and you had better not call me a "Negro!"

    I think it is fair to say you can use "Uncle Tom" and Ken Blackwell in the same sentence.

    What degradation will Ken stoop to next to fit in with his Republican brothers, offer to shine their shoes?
  • chap55 · 10 months ago
    As for as your information goes, that name Uncle Tom is incorrect. If you have never read Harriet Beecher
    Stowe's book Uncle Tom's Cabin you will find that Uncle Tom was the premier Christian of all times. It was Black short White-Buffon named Sambo Freeman who went and tell Massa everything what Uncle Tom and the other slaves were doing. That's the real true story. You have been deceived between Uncle Tom and Sambo.
    Uncle Tom was the good guy. He would not kneel down to his white master and his master whipped him to death. Another thing his master Simon Legree hated Uncle Tom Christianity. Simon Legree was a Barbarian and Demonic. Since you got a computer look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about. So please stop letting those words out of your mouth. If you believe what other people tell you, then you are a victim as well. So go to KEYWORD and type in Uncle Tom's Cabin and you will find a lot of information letting you know the truth. I once believed it myself until I started a search about 30 years ago.
  • whomod · 11 months ago
    when Osama Bin laden commented on Obama's victory and made some racially disparaging remarks about being a "house negro" (about a month ago I think), several commentators and even some black online posters I know as well as the L.A. Times editorial page made the comment that Obama is a "WHITE HOUSE Negro".

    so while i myself wouldn't use the phrase, it isn't nearly as taboo as say, using the "n" word in some circles.
  • whomod · 11 months ago
  • clincher · 11 months ago
    "the Negroes in the forest, brightly feathered;
    They are saying, 'forget the night;
    Come live with us in forests of azure;
    Out here on the perimeter there are no stars;
    Out here we is stone, immaculate'..."

    (Jim Morrison, "Texas Radio and the Big Beat")
  • monitor · 11 months ago
    Note:

    Comments containing the word n...er (and c..t) are auto-deleted.

    sitemonitor
  • chap55 · 10 months ago
    Black Conservatism is worse than enslavement.(Example) They run with the hounds and pretend brotherhood and friendship with the rabbits. They do not know what the White Conservatives think of them because its assets to the Whites and potential danger to Blacks.