DISQUS

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

This proves it.

John McCain is not fit to be President.

(Hey Joe: Link not working.

This one should work:)


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/0...

bish8 · 1 year ago

I was just watching Charlie Rose and the Republican stragists seem to l ove her with only Mark Halperin of all people doubtful. Isn't Cokie Roberts supposed to be a Democrat? Couldn't prove it to me by her performance tonight.

Lyrebird · 1 year ago

the "h" is missing from the "http" in your hyperlink... not important but easy to fix...

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Dobson saw the leather mini-skirt photo and said praise be the lawd...that's a VP if I evah saw one....

shrrrr · 1 year ago

Honestly, what happens if (when) he dumps her? It's getting more likely. I can't imagine another 72 hours of this.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

I don't know that he will.

It's admitting he screwed up his first "presidential" decision.

Besides, the Fundies are going to be awfully pissed if he throws her under the bus.

And he's their b*tch now.

bumpkis · 1 year ago

I think the NYT article beat him to it....

shrrrr · 1 year ago

He has already thrown her under the bus, and then some. Reckless, indeed.

bumpkis · 1 year ago

What happens if they dump McCain...I think that is a real possibility too.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

That would be Mitt/Huckabee.

And I think everybody in the party would be much happier with those two dog torturers.

FunMe · 1 year ago

Have you ever heard of "spin the bottle".

Well I think that McSame basically had a small coke bottle on top of a map of the US of A. The goal was to pick the governor whereever the bottom point at. Well the lucky Americal Idol winner is, I mean the lucky VP for the republiCONs ended up being the governor of Alaska.

Isn't that the same as vetting?

Liza · 1 year ago

I was just watching Nightline and they were talking about her. At the end of the piece they said not to underestimate her.

I'm sorry but we are talking about Alaskan politics. This is a whole different ball game and people are not big on the podunk schtick and can see through the phoniness.

I was starting to worry about McCain actually winning this thing but I don't see how he does it now. Yeah he may have pandered to the right wing nuts but there aren't enough of them this time around to win this thing for him. He needs the independents and they aren't as stupid as he would like them to be.

Sorry JohnnyMac you will never be President.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

I was worried too. But this has blown up in the repubs faces. I'm watching Larry King now, and a new team, I believe, has been sent to Alaska to do the job they didn't do before on vetting the VP pick. This is blowing up, and it won't go away. This is something McCain didn't want. It's amazing watching the talking heads try to spin this. It seems the MSM is on ths one though.

Two big things: Troopergate and her daughter's pregnancy.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

I'm getting awfully tired of the corporate networks providing cover and gravitas to extremely poor mismanagement by the Republican Party types. We all understand the corporate media has their own agenda, but to claim not to underestimate Palin? Then again, there are a LOT of dumbed down Americans who would still pull the lever for a "babe" because they can imagine her in a "Wonder Woman" outfit. Those same idiots pulled the lever TWICE for Dubya.

vkobaya · 1 year ago

still pull the lever for a "babe" because they can imagine her in a "Wonder Woman" outfit. Those same idiots pulled the lever TWICE for Dubya.

So that was Bush in the Wonder Woman outfit!!!!

FunMe · 1 year ago

oh, one more thing. Y'all know why LIEberman has been chummy with McSame?

Well he knows the soon he will be personal non grata, so he figured he become "friends" hoping he could still have some "power". Too bad he didn't figure 2 things: one, he would not be selected VP. two, he is going to be dumped by everyone in 2009.

csmith7502 · 1 year ago

This is all so entertaining! All the lies they tried to conjure up about Obama. Some of us were kind of getting worried because Barack seemed so cool about all the mudslinging coming his way. BUT MAN! It BOOMERANGED off of him and came back to them as shit!

Ruttle · 1 year ago

This just gets better and better...

ClintonHater · 1 year ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/opinion/01kri...

God how many times has this a-hole stuck his foot in his mouth?

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Shit.

If I knew he approved of Palin, I wouldn't have worried.

I would have relaxed and thought: "It's guaranteed to be a clusterfuck."

devlzadvocate · 1 year ago

Thanks! I just had to email him and tell him what a dumb ass he was for writing that column.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

Every time he opens his damned mouth his foot goes in it. He is a yammering fool! That has to be the most stunningly idiotic rambling diatribe I've read in a long, long time. Kristol isn't losing it. Kristol has ALREADY lost it big time!

Jersey · 1 year ago

I'm so tired of the republicans assinine smoke and mirrors subterfuge on every issue. They think we can't tell they fucked this up big time? Anyone with 1/4 of a brain can tell he made a disasterous choice (no offense to Gov Palin who is probably perfectly suited to her PTA job and perhaps even governing Alaska so long as nothing bad happens up there). I so want to see the whole thing blow up though just so they know we ain't buying thier shit anymore.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Apparently one of Obama's opposition research people told Huffpo that McCain's people didn't even check the archives of Palin's local newspaper.

He was there checking it, and asked if anybody else had been there, and they all said "nope, you're the first."

LOL.

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

Yeah I read that, incredible

hawkseye · 1 year ago

John,
Thanks for making what would have been a boring weekend hilarious. We never go anywhere on holidays, traffic is too awful, so we really enjoyed all of your posts on this incredible story.

houstonray · 1 year ago

I guess no one on that campaign knows how to use the internets...

ydthin · 1 year ago

thanks you guys.

I have been indescribably furious over this veep nom since I heard about it. This place has been a haven for me for the last few days. keep up the great work.

ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith) · 1 year ago

The NYT has a serious beef with McCain after that whole Iseman thing, and they aren't going to let McCain go on this one. I think they see Palin as their way of getting McCain back, and you can almost hear them cocking the guns for the fight. I almost can't wait for the hurricane/convention to end this week so that people have no excuse not to go full boar at McCain/GOP.

I hope the blogs keep digging up the dirt, the more McCain et al is trying to spin their way out of trouble, the easier time Obama and the Dems have selling our message. The best part, this isn't made up swiftboating crap, McCain/Palin is handing this stuff to us on silver platters.

ProgressiveTroll · 1 year ago

I hope they go full boar on the police state happening now in St. Paul. But it will never happen.

shrrrr · 1 year ago

Don't you mean McSame/WTF? No, really.

ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith) · 1 year ago

lol, I stand corrected.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

MY GOD - NOT VETTING YOUR VICE PRESIDENT IS NOT PUTTING "COUNTRY FIRST!"

Cjeffery · 1 year ago

I don't even thing he put his best interst first. I thing he took a deep breath and did what rove and his buddy's wanted him to and now they will spin all this has postivie because she has decided to keep the baby well a least she had a choice to decide on.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

I think Rove would carefully vet.

ydthin · 1 year ago

he would. this is such a disaster I am starting to think this is a reverse vetting. Like I wonder if they went looking for someone who would be so bad that they would then slide their nazi nightmare in on us at the last minute pretending that they were given no choice. Knowing that if they brought NN into the picture in the beginning it would make things too difficult for McCain. Sigh...because they are stupid but they are not this stupid. Or maybe even McCain is smart, somehow giving them an untenable evangelical that he will 'have' to remove so he can have who he really wants...dunno.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

I think the Huff Po column by David (Somebody?---was on Clinton's staff and wrote a Clinton biography.) yesterday got it right. He says his sources told him that McCain wanted Lieberman and Rove and Sr. Bush family wanted Romney. So, McCain took matters into his own hands.

Cjeffery · 1 year ago

Lets say that everything we have heard in the last 8 hours is the truth and that the other rumors are bunk. Lets still look at the details. She just had a son with down syndrome this is a special needs child. Her 17 year old daughter is pregnant and she is under investigation. Don't you think she got some personal issue on her plate that needs to be taken care of.. I would hope her family would come first. I don't think she had time to consider the full weight of her decision. Maybe she is reckless just like her buddy McCain.

houstonray · 1 year ago

I guess in her case she is buying into McSame's "Country First" tagline, and not putting "Family First"...so much for all those family values they throw in our face every other minute...

ProgressiveTroll · 1 year ago

I could care less who was pregnant when, but seriously they couldn't have made a better argument for birth control and sex ed. It's having to spend the last two decades (and more) listening to these "religious" assholes and their forcing their "family values" on us all. Now all of a sudden these people are saints because they didn't have abortions. Never mind all these years of having their bullshit doctrine shoved down our throats at every turn.

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

I am not in a hurry to see Palin gone. She is the gift that keeps on giving.
I would love to see her in a debate with Biden. Let's watch what we wish for here and think about the consequences in having a more serious VP nomination from the Republicans.

Cjeffery · 1 year ago

Never thought of this Biden would chew her up and spit her out in his sleep.

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

He could do that without having to say a thing - just a 'you are are dumbass' look, and it's all over.

1970cs · 1 year ago

Thats the danger with Biden though, he can't just say nothing. The chance of him coming off as being arrogant no matter how correct he may be.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

Exactly.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

I think he would be coached to be very careful not to anger women---not to treat Palin like a child or a dumbass.

lilyannerose · 1 year ago

I think John had his Hail Mary pass, and just found himelf on the grand tour of hell for it. It would be hard to John Boy to make this one right.

ydthin · 1 year ago

I think this is one of the wisest things I've heard all day. Because after watching the video where the CNN-bot appears to switch teams, it's starting to make me wonder. What is a good-old-boys party to do when running vs. a minority, who is young and hip and popular, when they can't compete but have no desire to change. How about finding the least qualified candidate they can, with mucho problemos, who is young and hip and attractive, not vett her, let the left do the work (a well-entrenched Rovian manuever) and then pretend to 'bow to public pressure', replacing her with another old white dude, not because They want to but because We forced them to, We weren't happy with their young, hip choice, We are impossible to please, We didn't think their young, hip choice was good enough, it's all Our fault, and because of Us, They are Forced to replace the 'new' candidate with the same old, same old. I guess it's possible none of this was a mistake in the first place. The McCain camp could either be really, really stupid, or really, really smart. Sigh.

ProgressiveTroll · 1 year ago

It all just seems so very selfish to me on the part of everyone that has a hand in this. But that's Republicanism at it's core. It certainly isn't surprising. I knew whoever the VP pick was it was going to be one heck of a ride.

lilyannerose · 1 year ago

Why in a state where Sarah is so allegedly popular are so many of those interviewed just spilling their guts? Do the Alaskans know something we should know? I would have expected a circle-the-wagons type of reaction, but so far, that doesn't appear to be happening. Admittedly, the parent part of me wants to believe that it's due to this forced marriage between her daughter and her young man. Article I just read describes the young man as having "great potential." Alaskans do strike me as real independent cusses, which has me wondering if the locals aren't resenting the meddling going on in these young people's lives for the sake of Sarah's ambitions?

houstonray · 1 year ago

Have you seen the article where her own Mother-in-law is not sure if she will vote for her and McSame?? Ha!!

lilyannerose · 1 year ago

Sure did, and after news came out about Sarah's daughter's pregnancy and the amazing grace of a marriage making it all better, and being a proud grannie myself, I knew exactly why grannie said what she said. Unfortunately, this is family business and that family business is being played out on both a national and international stage.

mamazboy · 1 year ago

McCain and Palin deserve each other, but we don't deserve either of them.

csmith7502 · 1 year ago

Is it CHRISTMAS? Am I a child again? Does anyone remember the really deep down awesome feeling you get inside.

I been walking around all day laughing to myself about this better than fiction McSame/Palin crap.

lilyannerose · 1 year ago

I keep hearing the phrase, "you couldn't make this crap up" in mind over and over and over again!

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

I don't care what anyone says. The Bristol Palin story MATTERS because of her mother's policy stands on sex education and abortion. Her mom said Bristol made the decision to keep her baby. That "decision" needs to be explained further. It sounds a lot like Mama believes in making OTHER young girls have their babies but gives Bristol a "CHOICE." Now, as far as sex education is concerned, Mama Palin believes in ABSTINENCE ONLY education. How did Abstinence Education work out for Bristol? Hmmmm?

houstonray · 1 year ago

THAT would be a great question in the debate: Gov Palin, what are your thoughts on abstinence only education programs??

hawkseye · 1 year ago

She'd probably point her moose gun at the reporter and let him have it.

houstonray · 1 year ago

HA!! True!

DavidinPS · 1 year ago

Here's how this will play out: Palin will step down, claiming pressing family issues--downs child and preggers daughter ( forget she should have thought of that before). McCain will then nominate the person he claims he always wanted: Bobby Jindal. The repubs get credit for nominating a woman AND and a man of color. Jindal makes the Reichwingers happy and America falls in love with him because of the great job he did during Gustav. Sad but true.

houstonray · 1 year ago

Cold chills...

devis1 · 1 year ago

Oh yes that sounds very plausible.

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

I can hear it now:

"I've done all the homework....we can take Iran"

osage · 1 year ago

But the Republicans tell bold-faced lies and news people like Andrea Mitchell regurgitate their lies without confirmation or confrntation. The "news" is a lie when reporters are too cowardly to insist on being told the truth. If reporters had higher standards, politicians would pay a penalty for being liars.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

I agree! Bush has trained a whole new crop of reporters to NOT ASK or they will be dealt with in an unfriendly manner. Just look at the MSNBC reporters that cover the White House, Mitchell, Gregory what's his name, and the red headed chick traveling with McCain. None of them ask tough questions.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

The rumor that is swirling around is that Mama Palin didn't tell ANYONE about Bristol and was hoping she wouldn't show enough that people would ask until AFTER the election. Thank GOD for the rumours or this wouldn't have ever spilled out. Like most Republicans, Mama Palin LIES by OMISSION!

houstonray · 1 year ago

OH to be a fly on the wall of the McCain campaign HQ....

or maybe in Karl Rove's house...

devis1 · 1 year ago

Well hey, Mama didn't show til she was 7 months along ...

shrrrr · 1 year ago

She's not going to last the weekend. It just turned Tuesday...and Monday was long.

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

Larry King is covering this!!!

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

I am watching King now. Pretty good

grandma · 1 year ago

me too....good show

Joneses · 1 year ago

Sooooooooo it's ok to have sex before marriage? Thats what the religious right just confirmed, as long as you do not have an abortion. And if you are not coveraged by medical insurance, who cares, as long as you don't have an abortion. Great family values.

What I have read, pretty good article. But the GOP attack dogs will come out and say, I mean whine, "it's a liberal newspaper" , "they are un-American", "they have no family values", and McCain is a POW!

canuck55 · 1 year ago

The daddy of Bristol's child to be is one Levi Johnson, 18. A hockey player appropriately enough. He has a delightful Myspace page, again obviously not seen by the McCain vetters (or rather, non-vetters) which is referenced in this Huff Post article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/levi-j...
In it, he uses some delightfully colourful language such as (edited for content):
"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

ydthin · 1 year ago

Oh my god, it just gets better and better. Poor kid probably doesn't know that that thing they like to do all the time is actually what makes the 'kids' happen. Good lord, what is with these people.

shrrrr · 1 year ago

Drip...Drip....Drip....

ydthin · 1 year ago

Holy, cow, the kid is on the cover of the online Post. That's two kids Sarah Palin, McCain and anyone else involved in this fiasco threw under a bus. I f I were this kids parents I would sue them. He's not a public figure, he didn't give permission to be splattered all over the post like this (I don't think). I don't know what the precedent is for photos published on myspace but good lord...enough is enough.

erykah · 1 year ago

Here's the deal. Obama says family is off limits. Yet, when he vetted his veeps he delved into thir family business and according to evan bayu requested to see his kids' my space and facebook pages. Once you post on the internet it becomes public property. Employers even tap myspace and facebook to learn things about furture employees. I had one employer tell me that he has turned down a number of of interviewees based on their facebook or myspace pages. So though it seems unfair, once you put it out there it is open season. Actually, I think Palin might get sued because she named the boy in her statement. Bottom line, this is not about Bristol or Palin, this about McCain. He a'int fit to lead.

hawkseye · 1 year ago

I think Obama meant that attacking family is off limits.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Don't you just love the digital age??? Anything posted is out there for the world. I guess the Republicans didn't have enough time to scrub all "harmful" posts.

houstonray · 1 year ago

Yet more proof there was zero vetting done. Hell, apparently she didn't even tell her own family to vet themselves! "Kids Mommy is about to be picked to be a candidate for the Vice President of the United States, so clean up your myspace pages!"

Probably too busy being Governor to know what her kids were doing, well, obviously we know ONE of them she wasn't keeping an eye on for sure!

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Seriously, Sarah didn't tell anyone in her family. On an interview the day after the announcement, she said she told the kids they were going to Ohio to celebrate she and Todd's wedding anniversary! Bristol had no idea her life was about to come crashing down on her, by her own mother.

houstonray · 1 year ago

Hope someone snagged some copies! It will be scrubbed soon!! You know how quick those Republican's are to 'change the truth'....

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

Larry King is on....

Both Republican woman flipped the fuck out when asked if this reflects on Sarah!!!

So, Mommy is busy and that's a great asset....but she's not to take any responsibility for it.

None.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

Oh my! I just saw David Corn wipe the floor with a Republican Strategist on MSNBC with David Shuster. Someone needs to get the YouTube of it stat! It was just hysterical. Money quotes from debate and I'm paraphrasing:

David Corn, "It doesn't make any sense for John McCain to have spoken with her only THREE TIMES before picking Palin to be his choice of someone to replace him to become leader of the free world..."
Idiot Republican, "It does make sense... maybe not to you, but it does make sense..."

BWAH HAHAHAAAAAA!

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

No shit?

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

Again, I'm paraphrasing but it went down just like that!

The Republican Strategist also expressed hope Palin was vetted like the McCain camp has claimed she was. She said she was giving them the benefit of the doubt, but didn't look or sound convincing at all.

LunaStick · 1 year ago

Best thing about all this is it puts the gopers on the defensive for a change. They are in full ridiculous spin mode over this. It's beautiful to see.

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

Luna, I didn't think about the defense. Their heads are spinning and soon they will spew green vomit.

LunaStick · 1 year ago

Here's the gop spinmeisters for ya! :)

http://www.weird-encyclopedia.com/images/exorci...

houstonray · 1 year ago

God, I'm amazed at how freakin' defensive all the repubs are about this. Anytime anyone brings up ANY question, they freak the hell out like she's the second coming and how dare we ask a question...

LunaStick · 1 year ago

"It's a good thing Sarah is in the NRA because it is gonna be a shotgun wedding"

Priceless line!

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

I wonder if poor Levi knew before this morning he was going to have to marry the girl.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

I read his "facebook page" says he doesn't want kids. Well, well, well.... that can't be good for the baby to have a father who doesn't want kids!

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

Why would Bristol tell her Mother that she intends to keep the baby? Were other plans discussed? Was there another option?

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

Does anyone know the state's stance on parental notification before abortion in Alaska?

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

The MSM says nobody would pay attention if Bush was being tried or impeached....

I bet they milk this story for all it's worth though.

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

If they have to get a new VP, there's going to be some awful "sloppy seconds" jokes.

An_American_Karol · 1 year ago

I am beginning to wonder, as some have suggested, this was orchestrated to placate women and the fundies - knowing she would not make it - and once it fails, and after the convention and fear of disruption, McCain can have his Lieberman.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

Nope - no way. The political damage is too great to overcome. This is a HUGE HUMONGOUS error in judgdment. Also points to McCain's judgment being compromised by age. He is just too old and tired to believe in himself. He just allowed others to force him into making an impulsive decision regarding the most important decision he would make prior to the election. It is exhibit "A" as to why Americans should not place their trust in John McCain and his "Alaska First" running mate.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

John McCain- The American Taliban's "Yes Man"!

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

I don't think McCain will switch. Somewhere today I read a posted interview where McCain stated he makes quick decisions and when they work fine but he can live with the consequences if they are wrong. This doesn't sound like a guy who admits error much less correct it.

BLOGGING BITCH! · 1 year ago

Cronyism and the abuse of power is not much change and I don't believe in it.

shrrrr · 1 year ago

Yo! Bitch! I smell an implosion. You?

erykah · 1 year ago

It's not about experience, its about judgment. This man is unfit to lead!

Bose · 1 year ago

The undercurrent of the piece: The McCain campaign is leaking like a sieve. Aides and confidantes are frustrated and either don't care anymore, or believe that spilling the beans might bring McCain to his senses.

notanumber · 1 year ago

The GOP is so good at ratfucking, they even ratfucked themselves.

canuck55 · 1 year ago

The NY Daily News saya that the pregnancy was an open secret in Wasilla:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republ...
but apparently, not an open secret amongst Team McCain.
And this guy wants to lead the country, including the intelligence services?

hawkseye · 1 year ago

Which pregnancy? Mom's or Bristol's?

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Exactly! What were the dates Sarah and Todd pulled Bristol out of school for 5 months with "Mono"?

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

I can't wait for the Vice Presidential debate. Can't WAIT!

Debate question submitted by "HoustonRay"

"Gov Palin, what are your thoughts on abstinence only education programs??"

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

From Levin Johnston's, Bristol's baby daddy's facebook page:

"On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."
======================
Oops... he flatly states he doesn't want kids.

Mama Palin should have allowed something besides "abstinence only" education in public schools!

vkobaya · 1 year ago

The article reveals that John McCain didn't get the vice president he wanted (Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge)

I think he lost his temper again and had a temper tantrum, like a little baby.

pol · 1 year ago

Sarah Palin WAS vetted -- by Dobson's boys. According to Max Blumenthal.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/1/24846...

Last week, while the media focused almost obsessively on the DNC's spectacle in Denver, the country's most influential conservatives met quietly at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis to get to know Sarah Palin. The assembled were members of the Council for National Policy, an ultra-secretive cabal that networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.

CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges; in 2004, then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told the group, "The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement." This year, thanks to Sarah Palin's selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.

Carl_Lloyd · 1 year ago

It is the OPPOSITE of being "Maverky" to poll test your very-qualified "best friends" and then toss them aside because they the religious right doesn't like them. Wouldn't a true "Maverick" put his country first and pick the best person, no matter what anyone else says?
Even if (like me) you weren't going to vote for McCain, you have to be shocked by what a monumentally bad move this was.
I think she will withdraw her name and act like she just coud not continue to go forward, sujecting her family to the cruelty of people like us.

DCinDC · 1 year ago

Palin was "thoroughly vetted. Here are the pictures if the link is still good:


http://www.stupidsheeple.com/index.php/20080901...

BryanEagle · 1 year ago

THAT'S not change we can...believe..in!