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Now I'm down to #1. And I've never reached 12 like you, OR!
It would be easier to go along to get along...
I'm only trying to show the other side of the equation and help Obama peeps to see the great success we will undoubtedly have with a compromise.
And trust me - I'm just as surprised at my improved ratings as I was being a -2 a few weeks ago. And, like you I only give positive ratings. Hell, I didn't even know I could give ratings until today :-o
Everything here on this blog is so one-sided, I would think you would appreciate an opposing view from a staunch Dem once in awhile. Unlike the Pubs who only walk lockstep together over the cliff. Balance is the key!
Great double-entendre. Lying, indeed.
Cause as you all know, the media is the mouth piece of the oiligarchy.....
Let's just all admit that WE DON"T KNOW what she is going to say tonight and move on to other discussions.
I guess you could have seen this one coming.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
Well, she hasn't lately with her lies, distortions, false promises, pandering so guess maybe we shouldn't expect it now.
Hillary, it is time for the party to unite. It is time for you to bow out "gracefully" if that can be accomplished at this point. Quit this nonsense!!
"I'm going to certainly attend as the mayor of St. Paul hosting the presumptive nominee," Coleman, a member of Clinton's Minnesota steering committee, told the Pioneer Press. "I certainly expect to endorse Barack tomorrow night after all the votes are counted. The outcome will be clear. Out of respect for Senator Clinton, I'm going to give her a chance to make her statement, but ...." He didn't complete the thought.
But if she doesn't concede? "I'm not going to speculate, but the party needs to unite," Coleman said.
http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_9459343?n...
This is horrible she is only conceding he has more delegate NOW. As always her mantra "ALL delegates Supers and Non-Supers can vote the way they want at the convention" so screw the voters and all the BS I was saying about the will of the people. As the guy in "Princess Bride" would say "INCONCEIVABLE!!!!"
This according 2 CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/election...
Just the fact that people can say "she will not ruin the party means that she gets to think she has the power to ruin the party. What an ego trip -- one she can't resist.
as I was reading this..I had a Da Ja Vou...
This according 2 CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/election...
disgusting
IT'S WAR NOW!
I AM PISSED OFF!!!!!
(Sorry for using all caps. In this case, I had to!)
I feel no remorse about saying plainly: Hillary Clinton is goddamned evil.
http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com
Houston we've got a problem.
1) There are two primaries going on as we speak. Of course the Clinton campaign is going to deny that they are conceding tonight. That's politics 101. So don't believe the rumors during the day.
2) The situation is likely very fluid today - discussions back and forth between the two campaigns. It's called negotiating. It's likely no one knows what will happen yet.
3) Ted Kennedy and Jesse Jackson in 1980 and 1988 respectively did far less well than Clinton, yet went on to the convention. Did they face the same demands? Of course not. This is what drives (from what they tell me - I'm an Obama supporter) Clinton supporters up the wall and convinces them that she is being treated unfairly. You know what? There is some basis for that.
Let's see what happens before making judgments.
There are 17 million people who voted for Clinton. A sizeable minority of them are hurting badly. We need to respect that, if not out of graciousness, then just political reality. Yes, how she handles herself is how she will be judged in the future. But the historical fact is that she is being asked to do what no other candidate who came this close to be nominated has ever been done - and people know that. Demanding to hard could possibly cost Obama the election - as of course her handling things badly could as well.
We don't know what is happening. i just fear overreacting by Obama supporters could have a negative impact.
I do draw the line though, when she:
a) Bashes Obama
b) is the subject of *any* VP talks
c) spreads blatant falsehoods
d) conveniently has no comment to all the crap her supporters were doing at Saturday's meeting including handing out false literature
Unfortunately, those instances are all too frequent. I wish Clinton's supporters could also show some respect for the *process* itself, and maybe try to call their candidate back to the civilized dinner table.
It just seems like compromise is impossible with them, after watching Saturday's drama. I hope I'm wrong, because the last thing we need is more fracture ... but at this point I think the Obama campaign has been more than gracious.
But I really enjoy my garden. Man, the sun on it right now. It looks really great.
I didn't buy your stupid book either, Hillary!
Well at least I have not read it. Maybe my instincts were telling me something.
Every election is unique, right? There are a lot of factors in play, not just numbers and charts and calendars. The fact is that our country is very nearly lost -- the very foundations are being ripped up. We want ACTION, not game playing. We want Hillary and every other democrat to follow the rules, choose a winner, then get on with it!! We need to win, and the FACT is that she is impeding us winning.
man that Hillary Clinton was a bitch, but you know what, in the long run her attacks vetted a candidate who, let's be frank, even the stanchest Obama supporter has to admit, was largely getting a free ride
The Clintons have way too much garbage to ever get past the vetting.
I think Obama may let her fiddle with Health Care- with certain stipulations so she doesn't screw it up again.
When Bill can't zip the lip, the fly has been down and he's been around. Obama won't use this attack but the republicans will show no mercy.
The bitch deserves to be pushed over a thousand-foot cliff along with her serial adulterer husband and most of her advisors. If Obama were to give her anything, I would lose about 50%+ of my respect and trust for him. He be just plumb crazy to make her VP or put her on the Supreme Court which has enough problems as it is. Anyway she said shes gonna work her heart out to support the democratic nominee, a fact I for one severly doubt.
I don't want hiliary as VEEP!!!!
She's done to much damage already for that. And her ego is way to big to be the second banana! Period end.
The Clinton's are a disgrace to the Democratic party. How much more time does she need to realize that she lost, reality is not one of her strengths.
However, only the media can decide which it is to be. Focus on the loser because she is CLINTON or focus on the first African American nominee of a major party who defeated the most awesome machine in politics and inspires millions of Americans.
It's up the media which it will be.
That's really sad, but true.
*shrug*
I'm not totally sold on this Obama/Clinton idea myself I'm just expressing surprise that so many Obama supporters can't take a step back and realise that what's good for the party is good for their candidate. Seems to me this is a criticism everyone's leveling (very fairly I should add) against the Clintons.
It's either "I'm a Clinton Supporter and it's either her or McCain" or it's "I'm an Obama Supporter and I don't want that bitch anywhere near my candidate's ticket"...just seems a little shortsighted and I would like to think we Obama supporters are wise, sanguine sorts...
So the question is, do you sacrifice all those moderate Reps and Independents for a constituency that is largely fueled by racism & Muslim rumer-mongering? (read: WV & KY)
I think this country deserves better than hearing all about the Clinton baggage for the next 5 months, personally. It may not be fair to Clinton*, but it is what it is, ya know? :(
*except after seeing how she's run this campaign, which would alone, undermine the credibility of a joint ticket at this point.
Fast forward 5 months, and I've seen her behave in a way that frankly isn't befitting of anyone wanting to occupy the Presidential office - or by extension, the VP. It's horribly sad, really. Because you're right - she does have a vast amount of experience, policy understanding, etc.
It's just really too bad that experience no longer appears to be coupled with grace, humility, and a sense of fair play :(
The turnout and participation is awesome though, and we DO need to do everything possible to keep everyone in the fold. Maybe it's just the press, but I perceive the Clinton supporters as totally hating Obama and probably being of no help without her being top of the ticket. Most non-political junkie everyday progressives are just excited to get *either* of them in there (no stip's) so we can flush McCain out IMO.
Again, just my perception, and there's never anything wrong with playing devil's advocate ;)
Step back a minute and see the world from the viewpoint of the average person who is not participating on blogs. THEY think the dream ticket is a good idea. it may be we are too close to see the big picture with too many disses between the supporters.
But first things first, she needs to get out of the race and it doesn't look like that is going to happen. Like I said yesterday, she is going to run up to the podium on Jan 9, rip away the swearing in bible from Obama and state "I am the president because I am better".
Yes it is annoying as hell. Isn't there a way to drop this damn rating system? Those sneaky little bastards haven't got the guts to have a conversation, their idea is too just hit the down arrow.
The point of the points is to see how many negs you can get!
If it wasn't for that damn Busboy, I would be the winner...but time may change this and I WILL NOT concede.
OK. So losing is winning.
That's the spirit of the times. I get it.
If you subtract my # from Bb's # you quickly realize that those votes don't count because...uh...well, just because...and it becomes very obvious that they (and a few extra) should be deducted from Bb's total and added to my tally, which means that any hardworking white American can easily see I'm winning.
Duh.
As for me I feel like I have no candidate so I will be writing in Ron Paul. I can't see anybody other than who is saying things that I respond to and will take DC in the direction it needs to go.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10792...
Fully one half of the Democratic Party voted for Clinton.
And believe me....they're not going to be voting for the 'Magic-Man' and some newfangled VP they hardly know.
OBAMA~CLINTON...It's the only way to go!
Let me add: Everyone I know and love voted for Obama in the primaries. From my children to 90 year old aunts and uncles.
I am a fence-sitter...I see both sides equally and if we truly want to heal and strengthen this Dem party we must compromise.
Please...open your minds and see that.
Like many things Clinton said that were twisted.
Please...open your eyes.
Here watch it...She said "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO there is nothing to base that on as far as I know".
Clinton Stokes False Rumors about Obama's Faith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFREDHB-nQ&eurl...
Another thing that really bothers me is that Clinton really, really wants to president. If something were to "happen" to Obama in office I would always have nagging doubts about whether VP would have had a hand it in.
Besides we all know the Clintons' ego would never in a million years allow them to play second fiddle.
Obama's campaign is about change, not putting the entire electorate thru 5 months of Clinton baggage all over the airwaves. All that would do is suck valuable focus from the things we need to fix going forward.
Besides, she's *totally* undermined him. Why should he cater to the Harriet Christians of the country (who aren't real Dems anyway if they're going to vote McCain IMO), and then lose all his crossover Republican & Independent support due to her being on his ticket?
I will be hugely disappointed if he were to take her, and highly doubt it will happen.