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Now is the time for Obama to admit he made a mistake, make a full apology for choosing Warren, and choose another person. The outrage is building and this is not going to end well if Obama keeps the current course. This is completely unacceptable.
The PUMAs are laughing their asses off right about now.
If you don't have a seat at the table and feel like you're getting respect, you don't take your ball and go home, you just leave the game completely and go off creating your own game.
Do Obama and the Democrats really want adhoc protests by groups of progressives dogging them the next four years?
Yup....Rick Warren really did it this time. I thought Obama was gonna throw him under the bus after the invocation. But now it looks like he's gonna hafta do it before January even gets here.
Yup...if there's one group you don't wanna tick off, it's the Jews. That bus is coming real quick Rev Warren.
What's with evangelical preachers and the Jews? Haven't they learned their lesson yet? "Open mouth, insert foot" is supposed to be a warning, not instructions.
Y'know, President Obama...this religious stuff isn't your thing. Every single Rev. you meet has all kinds of issues. Just give up, man. Just be an atheist or a rejectionist and you can avoid all this church drama. There might be other drama, but at least you won't have a pastor with loose lips sinking your ships.
By comparison to other countries in the region they are quite more progressive..
that said, the Assad regime has many flaws and in my opinion should be changed.
However, I challenge anyone reading this to point to any credible source of news were Syria claimed that they want to kill all jews or destroy Israel... heck, they have reached out a few times to the zionist state only to be flat out rejected.
If we're going to go after Warren with something, let's make sure we use facts and we don't vilify others... there is nothing more pathetic than one minority group gaining ground at the expense of another (see prop 8)
But I never really saw Syria as the center of evil that the Bushies made it out to be.
Flame away.
When you hate and distort and lie, you do that across the board -- your ideological blinders are so strong that you can't separate out issues.
So are we surprised that Warren thinks Syria is a great country? Of course not. I can't wait for his views on women, global warming, immigrants, and all the other cultural issues. Obama is going to realize that he's a loose cannon.
now that's how you load the arguement!
but i don't think syria is a member of the axis of evil.
I saw it on Fox News!
(I'm straight, so maybe I'm missing something.
But I think that Warren shouldn't be allowed to speak during the inauguration strictly because of his intolerance toward gay Americans....and picking up neocon talking points to add to the case just muddies the purity of the argument.)
They just don't get that today, most people are actually pretty gay friendly or dont' particularly care one way or another. The only ones who are obsessed with hating gays are weirdos, kooks, religious right wingnuts. If you find a gay bashing homophobe, you don't have to dig much further to find wild claims about lots of other stuff, just as John as found.
that Obama thinks that a gay bashing preacher can be perfectly fine on everything else is naive at best. Perhaps he will learn that there is no such thing as reaching out to a mentally ill person. He needs professional help to deal with his anger and hate, not rewards.
If that's the case, the man is a frikkin' genius.
I think if you look at this pragmatically, we have a lot more to gain by courting the religious right than we do to lose. Obama has already explicitly stated his support of LGBT rights - what more do you want in this country we live in?
I'm just as upset about Rick Warren, but these two are not 'news' sources. They're a hotbed on raving lunacy.
In the Middle East, Israel has been an imperial power, backed by Britain and the US, for about sixty years. Remember the imperial Israeli invasion of southern Lebanon a couple of years ago? The Israelis dropped millions of cluster bombs (made in USA) on the Lebanonese countryside. Syria? They are stuck living next door to both US-occupied Iraq on one side and imperial Israel on another side. You would probably not want to live in Syria these days...
You're just hating on Syria because you are mad about gay marriage.
I am mad about Prop 8, too. But I'm not gonna start talking like Michelle Malkin, because Rick Warren said something nice about Syria.
The more stuff like this I read, the more I worry that the gay rights movement is on the verge of self-destruction. I know and you know that gay rights is serious business... so let's stop acting like children... and start working like grown-ups.
How is it any better for AmericaBlog to link to Schlussell, who hates gays (and everyone else) more than Rick Warren, than it is for Obama to "link" to Rick Warren?
At least Rick Warren is going to give some blandly positive invocation which contrasts sharply with his deeper, darker feelings.
You are linking to Debbie Schlussel's hate site BECAUSE of its anti-Muslim content to prove a point about another bigot.
Not to be a jerk... because I have been reading AmericaBlog for years. But, seriously, it's like you have gone over the edge or something. The problem with Rick Warren is not that he likes Syria. The problem with Rick Warren is that he is a cultural conservative who believes that his religious views should be law.
But having said that, he's not taking a cabinet position or anything. So what if Obama is trying to co-opt conservatives? Warren has moved the mainstream of evangelical thought further to the left than any other figure. It seems like a good idea.
People need to understand that we are living at a critical moment for gay rights. And the nature of this moment is generational. Older people tend to oppose gay rights. Young people tend to accept them. Change is inevitable, hence the intensity of the backlash. Alienating everyone by threatening and belligerent alarmist only adds to the intensity of the conflict. We need a little more MLK and a little less Malcolm X.
Her "possible future mother in law" just got busted for making and selling narcotics, by the way.
Meth, I'm guessing.
But when you have him saying things like this, this defeats the whole purpose of choosing him. What religious right nut is going to support Obama, who gives such visible support to this guy who thinks Syria is just great?
THAT's why you link to the WorldnetDaily. Because it shows that Obama's strategy is failing with the exact people he is trying to court.
This is a disaster on many fronts.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/19/obama-maddo...
And in truly bizzare announcement:
"He also proposed that the shoes themselves should be put in an Iraqi museum. But al-Kinani, the judge, said the shoes had been destroyed by investigators trying to determine if they had contained explosives."
Someone doesn't want there to be any evidence, to use to fire up the people. Wonder who that could be? I mean, Bush was all "mr. Cool" about it..."no big deal", but behind the scenes, one wonders if the telephone lines are burning up with "BURN that mother!"
I'm OUTRAGED!
Why do you have to make some stupid-ass, nonsensicle, provocational response to every other comment here?
Although you are being factious, I don't think it is a bad idea. The eight or whatever inauguration balls that Obama is obligated to attend is perhaps the worst example of excess and overspending in our society, and vast tribute to the moneybags, the corporations, elite, wealthy and powerful, the exact opposite of the people, the nation and egalitarianism, which somehow I may be the only one who thinks is core Americanism. Canceling the inauguration celebrations and having a quiet modest ceremony in the Oval Office might the very best way Obama could actually prove he is one of us and not one of THEM.
Obama i COMMAND you to name someone else as SECRETARY of STATE, i demand you to.
I guess the Dems are wanting to offend the left and get Gingrich or Palin in four years.
Thanks for the effort you guys on this site are putting in on this one. While I am not LGBT, my wife and I are expecting our first child and we have no idea what he or she will become when they mature, hopefully, with vigilance, and people keeping the conversation/fight going they can become straight, gay, lesbian, atheist, or a combination of a few of these in a country where some bigoted schmuck isn't given a national stage, by a supposed transformational leader, in order to strengthen his brand of hate.
obama doesn't agree with warren on seveal points, but they do agree on others, and instead of focusing on the differences, obama focuses on the common ground. and that's a great improvement in my opinion.
Anti gay bigotry is not more acceptable. It is NOT a valid 'viewpoint' any more than some Klansman's rantings are.
It is NOT to be invited to the table.
I don't think so--it's his hatred of gays.
But, I suppose Warren is okay with the fucking Duggars who just had an 18th kid, and want more. (Why do xtians engage in such excess anyway--you know, like gluttony of all kinds?) Women weren't meant to be just walking wombs, after all. Adopt, for chrissakes if you want to run a children's home.
" Barack Obama ~ Opposes same-sex marriage, but also opposes a constitutional ban."
"Joe Biden ~ Opposes same-sex marriage."
"John McCain ~ Believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman."
"Sarah Palin ~ Stated on Sarah Palin for Governor Web site: "I believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman."
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues....
Nifty. What's the plan if he DOESN'T support it? Then what? Oh golly gee. Kicked in the ass again!
Stop groveling.
It should be more like, "Look, we pulled out all the stops for you and you are pulling the rug out from under us. We are NOT fair game. Support our agenda or you are not our friend in the next election".
It isdifficult to complain about Obama asking Warren to participate in the Inauguration when you are running ads for Warren's book at the top of your webpage!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please, look for how to connect this with slavery or death of babies or something, that may work.
let me see if i can help you out, let's see.... YES warren is in love with syria, syria likes iran, iran has nuclear weapons, they are going to blow up israel with them, hence KILLING the jewish babies and the black families who went there for vacation.
so, in conclusion, Obama is a jewis- baby-killing, black-killing president-elect, i say IMPEACH.
it brings back the primaries to my best line " GO AWAY YOU HORRIBLE PERSON" -- how i miss thee. LOL
cannot wait for what you come up with next.
So John, is this what you are going to do for the next 8 years, be a one issue blog, and rail against Obama because of Rick Warren?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren
this guy has to be stopped.
Do you believe everything you read on Wikipedia? Do you realize that ANYONE can edit ANY entry on Wiki with just the click of a mouse.
If that's where you get your information then your either too lazy or too stupid to even be in a debate such as this.
Here's something Debbie Schlussel posted about gay people:
"As you've probably heard by now, today is the "Day Without Gay," on which gays are encouraged by gay activists to "call in gay" and not show up to work or buy lattes, so that we will see how the world would allegedly collapse without the Liberaces, George Michaels, Clay Aikens, male hairstylists and stewardesses, er . . . flight attendants of the world. Oh, and a day without attacks on Mormon churches."
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/12...
And this is the person you rely on to inform you?
* "Milk": Timing is everything, and I doubt it's a coincidence that Hollywood--without knowing the election outcome--chose a few weeks after the election on California's Proposition 8, to release this very heavy-handed gay rights propaganda flick.
To say this movie is "flamboyant" would be the understatement of the year. Watching Sean Penn kiss anyone (or the ass of Iran's Ahmadinejad and Venezuela's Chavez) is bad enough. But watching him make out with and have sex with James Franco turned my stomach. Bleccccchhhhh to the nth.
It's the story of how Harvey Milk--a gay activist from New York--became the first openly gay man elected as a San Francisco Supervisor (akin to a City Councilman). He's shot to death by fellow Supervisor Dan White (Josh Brolin), whom the movie unfairly implies was a closeted gay--despite no evidence and the fact that Wilson is not alive to disavow that description.
Unrelated to gay issues, White assassinated Milk and was the first to successfully plead the insanity defense now known as the "Twinkie Defense." Frankly, the trial and that defense would have made for a more interesting movie. White committed suicide not long after he was released from prison, and it is believed he had Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) from serving in Vietnam--an aspect completely skipped by the movie.
Conservatives and others who oppose the militant gay agenda (including Anita Bryant) were portrayed as bigots and extremists. But, in fact, most of America--while having no problem with gays doing what they want in their own homes and bedrooms--doesn't like this agenda being shoved in their faces and--pardon the phrase--shoved down their throats. We know it's not about equal rights. It's about their right to impose upon us. That's the part they don't show you in this movie.
Other than being incredibly one-sided, this was way too long and boring and far too many scenes of Di-Fi (Dianne Feinstein). The movie was two hours and had like a gazillion endings. It could have been done in 1.5 hours, or--as far as I'm concerned--zero hours.
Appeals to the Elton Johns and Clay Aikens of the world far more than it did to me. The ghost of Liberace is applauding.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11...
So it's not OK gay people to think of a people who work tirelessly to deny them their civil rights as bigoted and extremists but it's perfectly OK and reasonable for people who oppose gay rights to refer to them as "radicals pushing a militant gay agenda"? But THAT wouldn't be portraying anyone as "extremists" now would it?
Yet another case of illogical logic to add to the list.
She can kiss MY ass. (It's OK, I'm a female...)
I'm tired of it.
I'd hate to think I might need to treat this blog like No Quarter.
that's how john is, he gets like this, EVERY TIME, i like him the way he is. yes he is COCO, but me likes. LOL
if you don't know that by now, you don;t know John.
You're really beginning to disgust me.
So I am urging everyone who goes to the inauguration to quietly sing "We Shall Overcome" throughout the invocation.
Tens of thousands of voices for hope and equality should drown out one bigot, even when he has the bully pulpit and lots of amp power. If you don't know the words, the popular Pete Seeger version is available on youtube.com at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnPVP23rzo
The Constant Weader at www.RealityChex.com
You have catapulted us back into the fighting and stress we have been saddled with during the Bush administration for 8 years (while you were doing what?). WE are so sick of this.
I won't abandon my GLBT friends this time or any other time. Our humanity is measured by how we care for the weakest and downtrodden of us. That's paraphrased from the bible, which you are apparently also unfamiliar with.
In the Judeo-Christian-Muslim religion heritage, the prophets came to reform people like the Brokeback pastor, for their exclusion of others, not to endorse them.
You are not worthy to sit in Reverend Wrights church. Go worship with the nutjobs where you apparently belong, which I am sure you will. You don't belong with true Christians anymore. I can't believe you can raise your kids this way.
Why do you have to tell people you are a proud gay person? Are ther then maybe some not proud gays? Guilt....
I wonder what he would say about that?
"Is this how you explain the skid marks in the front of you underwear?? "
Sounds like you have experience with this kind of problem...John no need to feel animosity against me, I wasn't the one who pummeled your sphincter.
However, get over it? Get over what?
Per your comments, "more Christians than gays" I would ask how do you know this fact? Where is your proof? Regardless, great one ... One could argue there are more abortions performed in America alone than there are gays.
For what it is worth, gays are not facilitating abortions, pre-marital sex, genocide in Darfur, and I could go on to list a countless amount of realities or right-wing perceived wrong-doing/sin committed by the majority (e.g. far more than by us proud gays that exist) committed consistently, world wide on a daily basis by proud straight men not unlike you perhaps.
It was a difficult decision for Stonewall democrats in California to support Obama wholeheartedly; but we did! And, he has betrayed us via Rick Warren. Something not easily forgotten.
As a Christian, a democrat, and a PROUD gay AMERICAN I can/will not witness the inauguration of a President of the United States of America involved with an intolerant man who claims to practice the teachings of my Savior, who is Jesus Christ. (Regardless of Rick Warren's commercial massive monetary success.)
And no one, Steve, can take Jesus from me or the rest of us "proud" gays. To the current day scribes and pharisees I emphatically express the words of Christ, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
By the way, please brush yourself up on what you and me are commanded to do, which is to love one another.
God bless you brother!
But when he says 'moderate country' he's clearly talking only in terms of freedom of religion between Muslims and Christians. This is more or less accurate if you consider its neighborhood, and hardly controversial. If you want to dispute it and say Warren didn't say much about Syria's foreign policy of supporting radicals in Lebanon and Palestine, or that he probably doesn't know what happened at Hama in 1982, then fine, that's legitimate.
But to run with this and say he's doing "propaganda for Israel-hating terror states"? Cmon, really?
If i say "Hamas has good social programs." I said it, therefore I'm a Hamas enabler and I probably hate Israel too. Context or whether its true doesn't matter.
Plucking sentences out of context from an already short sound clip and inferring meaning that isnt there is the job of rightwing blogs.
Jesus Christ certainly did not have anything but love for people but would also likely be labeled a gay-hating douchebag by the majority today. If sex is more important that your eternal soul, whether you are homosexual or heterosexual then so be it, but don't try to blame that on any but YOURSELF.
Umm, not sure what your trying to say here? Are you suggesting that the best solution here is for no one to have any sex of any kind, because doing so will destroy or taint your "eternal soul"? Don't know what your beliefs are but thats a straight ticket to extinction of a species...if thats the case, you might as well end yourself now that way you can save the rest of humanity from listening to your drivel.
If thats not what you meant I will assume you meant that the statement only applied to gays, even though you clearly said "homosexual or heterosexual". In that case what you're saying is that it is ok to be homosexual as long as you don't have sex with another person of the same sex. You can wine, dine, date, kiss, make out, mess around...etc as long as you don't fornicate?
Or just to be safe, even if you can't help but be gay...do your best to lie about your orientation, go on living the life of a straight person and then come out of the closet after you've had kids and are married...and leave your life and the lives of your family in shambles.
Yeah saving your soul is more important than being truthful and having some integrity for yourself...In my opinion if you don't have that, you probably don't have much of a soul left anyway.
Seriously, You need to get over YOURSELF and your brainwashing.
Waaaahhhh!!!!
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John Aravosis
If Syria is a terroist nation that Israel is moreso a terroist nation. Israeli's themselves report the point blank shooting of Palestinians children by Israeli soldiers, settlers and other creeps. Brave Israeli soldiers murder unarmed Palestinians, kill UN peacekeepers and journalist and extract billions from the U.S. taxpayer.
Jews and christians, whether syrian citizens or foreign nationals, are no more repressed then the rest of the population of this state.
of course if you have links to israel and encounter civil servants or military/secret police types and happen to be near "strategic" sites, and taking pictures, you could get into trouble.
this article is ignorant and uninformed
By the way the point Warren makes is that Christians are treated better than in most islamic lands. Have you studied Islamic countries are all? My guess is you are a young retard! Open a book you drone.
Have a good day assshole by the way I am not beholden to Warren just assessing his character against yours and he wins hands down twit.
We're letting people express their strong views on sensitive subjects, which means these threads often take courage to read, but you are right that there are people who simply can't stay within even very lenient boundaries...such as the above deleted commenter.
One way to keep from getting troll slimed is to not reply to what they write.
sitemonitor
The oldest Synagogue in the world is in Syria. Irainian Jews refuse to leave Iran for Israel as they are loyal nationals and even join inprotests against Israeli policy toward the Palestinians, Lebanese, UN etc.
While creeps like this complain that somebody said Syria is moderate[it's actually great in Christian Muslim Jewish relations] Israel cut off the water, electricity, food, trade agriculture etc. for Palestinian. Israel is the one who stinks with interfaith relations and is quite unreligious and dasterdly.
This article is either written by a "Israel first" Jewish American or a pandering fool to the same.
If Syria is a terroist nation that Israel is moreso a terroist nation. Israeli's themselves report the point blank shooting of Palestinians children by Israeli soldiers, settlers and other creeps. Brave Israeli soldiers murder unarmed Palestinians, kill UN peacekeepers and journalist and extract billions from the U.S. taxpayer.
Are you a a--hole all the time or only when you open your mouth?
There is a rick warren in every country, there is problems in every country. Doesn't matter if you think you live in freedom or you live under other forms of control.
Stop creating more Rick Warren.little people, like me, are easily misled by such passionate pleas to hate Rick Warren and in return they turn into Rick themselves.
Don't have little faith. Whoever wipes off Israel, just as any civilization which starts off with a war, will end in a war. All thing under heaven is with God's sovereignty. You don't need to get over it, you should be preparing yourself instead of having others prepare for you, if you really believe in it.
thank you for reminding the remaining population why we are a world at war... lies bring on believers of those lies... history repeats itself, and technology spreads stupidity.
When you were in seminary, it seemed you enjoyed your time by doing research collecting dark side in the history of Christianity and compelling it into a prejudicial conclusion. Thus, throw the basin water away together with the baby, hei ??? You really tell us to remember that Christianity was spread by blood sheet ? There must be some thing wrong with people like you who like to put Christian faith as Scapegoat ! People like you always cling on bad side of Christianity, stick it in your mind and think that it is a kind of bad religion who always win its population by force.
Doesn't it ever occur to your mind that in other places on earth Christianity spreads in tears, sufferings and by blood of their own people...not other people. It is not easy at all to be Christian ! In your country, maybe Christian only endures the mockery from people like you who enjoy to speak about the bad side of the religion. In other places, Christian often risk their life by spreading the news especially to those who are in need of great hope for deliverance for a meaningful life....they risk their life the same as how Christianity was spread at the first time in the land of Israel then to Rome. I do not think people like you understand that any person has a right to get access to know the whole of Christianity whatever their religious back ground of their family or ethnic was.
When the Bible says there is no peace until the return of the Messiah does not mean that the Bible tells the followers to do evil things so that there is no peace. The phrase is a "foresee". The "no peace" condition does not have anything to do with the existence of the Bible or Christianity. Some people are given ability to see things happen in the future without influencing for the outcome.
O...one more thing, nobody is forced to be Christian. Even some people join Christianity for wrong reason, ie : financial support by other church members, political support, etc. ...usually these people will leave once they fill they have enough getting what they want....and some even stab back when they fill unsatisfied.
Ever went to seminary to become a priest does not mean you know more.
However, get over it? Get over what?
Per your comments, "more Christians than gays" I would ask how do you know this fact? Where is your proof? Regardless, great one ... One could argue there are more abortions performed in America alone than there are gays.
For what it is worth, gays are not facilitating abortions, pre-marital sex, genocide in Darfur, and I could go on to list a countless amount of realities or right-wing perceived wrong-doing/sin committed by the majority (e.g. far more than by us proud gays that exist) committed consistently, world wide on a daily basis by proud straight men not unlike you perhaps.
It was a difficult decision for Stonewall democrats in California to support Obama wholeheartedly; but we did! And, he has betrayed us via Rick Warren. Something not easily forgotten.
As a Christian, a democrat, and a PROUD gay AMERICAN I can/will not witness the inauguration of a President of the United States of America involved with an intolerant man who claims to practice the teachings of my Savior, who is Jesus Christ. (Regardless of Rick Warren's commercial massive monetary success.)
And no one, Steve, can take Jesus from me or the rest of us "proud" gays. To the current day scribes and pharisees I emphatically express the words of Christ, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
By the way, please brush yourself up on what you and me are commanded to do, which is to love one another.
God bless you brother!