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AMERICAblog: By large margin, Senate passes bailout bill

  • boloboffin · 1 year ago
    A Christmas tree McCain took a fancy to.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    McConnell's on TV, looking like a guy who's only a couple points ahead of his opponent in an election that was supposed to be a walk.
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    That McConnell is one dynamic speaker
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    why is Jeremy Irons standing behind Chris Dodd?
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    what a g-damn piece of crap. thanks for nothing senate..f.u. mcconnell, you chisto-facist pig.
  • gwpriester · 1 year ago
    People do not realize what will happen if this legislation does not pass. While nobody feels any sympathy for the arrogant irresponsible assholes who got us into this mess, if this measure does not pass, there is a very excellent chance that a domino effect will lead to more and more banks failing and eventually cause another great depression.

    I hope that this convinced the republicans that deregulation does not work because trusting large corporations to do the right thing is naive. If unfettered, they will get greedy and totally out of control.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    They never learn.

    Remember the S&L crisis?
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    this legislation is a piece of crap - is this better than nothing? ultimately, but they need to go back and do something better, imo. we can wait a another damn week.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    This bill will not keep that from happening.
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    If it is such a wonderful thing, where is the commitment to follow up with a bill to prevent it from happening again? If the "party is over", you might want to pass laws preventing such parties. When rape is illegal, you outlaw rape.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    I'm glad for the extra tax breaks; but I'd have been happy for those I have if they just let Paulson and his buddies twist in the wind. Been there, done that. Nobody ever showed up to rescue my family.
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    I learned a long time ago that "nobody is coming to save you, so save yourself"
  • leftrightwhocares · 1 year ago
    Great, lets keep bailing out the elites. Im so proud of my country. The fox guarded the hen house.
  • MILOFF · 1 year ago
    I am appalled by the fact that the Senate just passed the bailout bill. Do we truly have such little faith in the economic system we preach to the world? How do we expect other countries to act when we recommend they deregulate their state run industries?
    Attending to the economy is critical, but passing this bill is not so time critical so as to eliminate proper thought and pursuit of alternate options. The appearance is that this is nothing more than political pandering to get votes in November or to get out of session in time to campaign. Seventy-four Senators just voted yes to a 450-page bill that I seriously doubt they even had time to read. There are countless other options that if we allow the economists of our nation, not just the executive lackeys, time to develop we could come up with a much more acceptable solution. Why is their no transparency in the particulars of the exact issues and specifically how this money will help “Main Street”? The American public is not ignorant we can handle the truth on our financial situation.
    Wall Street will right itself; have faith in the greatest country and economic system in the world. We already have a nine trillion dollar debt that my children will have to pay. Congressmen vote “NO” to any bill until we properly review all alternatives.
  • Bia · 1 year ago
    The last time Congress was RUSHED to pass a terrible bill, it was the USA"Patriot"ACT! And we saw where THAT got us!
    Haste makes waste, alright!
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    That's a relief.

    Now I can go out and get one of those cheap mortgages I've been hearing about!
  • shrrrr · 1 year ago
    Let's hear what comes from the House side over the next 24 hours. I think they can kill it, for fear of their own jobs. I hate them all.
  • Andrew · 1 year ago
    the bill the the Seante just passed it outrageous. when you begin to red through it they have added earmakrs for everything from money for NASCAR to why bears mate.
    Take note of those Senators that voted for this crap and place their names on tyour fridge. When they come up for re-election, you know why to do. Also take take note of those in congress that will get the chance to vote on this garbage as well. Place their names on your fridge as well and in five weeks time, send them a clear message they will never forget with the power we have in our votes.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Wow.

    McCain does look like a lizard (with a fake tan).
  • Griffon · 1 year ago
    Well, bush and his cronies are halfway to their golden parachutes. Both Feingold and Kucinich before him voted a resounding "NO!" on this legislation and they have been the bellwethers in recognizing bad legislation, as when Kucinich voted against the patriot act.

    These two are consistently out front in looking out for us. Too bad chickensh*ts like Reid and Pelosi always cave, and this is no exception.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    TOTALLY AGREE! I love those two and am really liking Bernie Sanders as well.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    And to think that the bill only contains $103 Billion in sweetened pork for corporations. As usual.

    Remarkable.
  • Webster · 1 year ago
    Only $103 million? Wow, Congress is losing its touch!
  • torris187 · 1 year ago
    To simplify the bailout bill.
    1. Wall street, Goverment, American households are all broke.
    2. The government is going to tax American households (through printing of money and inflation) to get money for this bailout.
    3. The government is then going to lend this money to Wall Street at a negative interest rate and lose money on it.
    4. Wall Street is then going to lend it back to us through bank loans at a high interest rate.
    5. American households will be discouraged to work due to high inflation and declare bankruptcy.
    6. A high number of bankruptcies will cause Wall street to go into bankruptcy.
    7. Wash rinse repeat till we have a serious depression or the value of the dollar is equal to 0.
  • triple7s · 1 year ago
    You can call a bunch of turds lilacs, It's STILL a PILE of SHIT.
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    I know it just happened, but WHERE is the bill? I just looked for it on the Senate.gov site, and it looks like there may be a couple day's delay before the Library of Congress posts is. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. It must be somewhere, it is supposed to be 405 pages long, how do we know this? Who has a copy they can send down the interweb tubes?? I kinda wanted to search around in it for crap and get all confused via primary source, not reports. If we're all in this for billions collectively and thousands personally, I WANT MY COPY NOW.

    Sorry for shouting, but does anyone have a link to it?
  • Rev_Sacrilege · 1 year ago
    This is a fucking travesty, seriously. I hope you're all invested in gold.
  • triple7s · 1 year ago
    Sorry 'bout that.
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    DailyKos has the rollcall, interesting: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/1/201...

    Though I would still like to see the text of the amendment(s) - I want to see the riders (earmarks) that have been attached. Even in a "crisis" it seems they've got to take advantage and attach riders. I just want to see how pathetic they are. I have found the draft text of the House bill easily several places, the first here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2008/0... yet by now much may have changed. After it's birth as 'three pages.' LOL.
  • Wild_Weasel · 1 year ago
    FULL TEXT OF SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS' SPEECH TONIGHT:

    http://www.sanders.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?i...


    Brilliant!
  • maudegonne · 1 year ago
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Filed at 10:52 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Not just Wall Street is running scared. The consequences of the financial meltdown now are sinking in with ordinary Americans, who worry whether their jobs, home values, children's futures and retirement plans are at risk, according to a poll out Wednesday. Eight in 10 fear the crisis will affect them directly, according to an AP-GfK poll. Yet 45 percent of all adults still opposed the proposed government bailout. Some 38 percent were in favor of the $700 billion financial-market rescue plan and 16 percent were not sure in the poll, which was conducted Sept. 27-30.
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-M...
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    It isn't the person on Main Street who should be bailing these bozos out. It is the 5% of the wealthiest in the nation who should be pitching in: the Bushes, the Cheneys, Rumsfelds, every CEO of every major corporation, and T. Boone Pickens too. They are the people with more than enough money. They have so much, in fact, they can weather any economic crisis nicely and still live in comfort and security.
  • maudegonne · 1 year ago
    “We really are in terra incognita here,” said Robert O. Lenna, executive director of the Maine Municipal Bond Bank, which helps that state’s towns and school districts raise money. He said he had worked in public finance for 34 years and had never seen credit evaporate so completely. Maine had already begun some of its road work when the bond markets stopped functioning, so now it is scrambling for bank loans to keep the dump trucks rolling. If money does not start flowing soon, Mr. Lenna said, Maine will have to cancel some of its road and bridge projects. The only alternative would be what New York City did on Monday: Go into the locked-up markets and whip up demand by offering to pay investors a very high return.

    Analysts said the dysfunction in the municipal bond markets appeared to signal the end of an era of relatively cheap money for governments and, probably, the start of an era of tough choices for communities. When the market starts moving again, they said, it will look a lot like the municipal bond market of 10 years ago, before the arrival of financial wizardry in the form of structured-finance products, which lowered borrowing costs but added big new risks. Instead, governments will probably be issuing plain-vanilla bonds with fixed rates of interest, higher than they are accustomed to. And higher rates suggest some degree of belt-tightening, especially difficult in places where tax revenues are being squeezed because of falling real estate values and the slowing economy.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/business/01mu...
  • maudegonne · 1 year ago
    Senate Dems who voted NO on the financial bailout bill (S. Amdt. 5685 to H.R. 1424):
    Cantwell (D-WA), Nay ***
    Dorgan (D-ND), Nay ***
    Feingold (D-WI), Nay ***
    Johnson (D-SD), Nay ***
    Landrieu (D-LA), Nay ***
    Nelson (D-FL), Nay ***
    Sanders (I-VT), Nay ***
    Stabenow (D-MI), Nay ***
    Tester (D-MT), Nay ***
    Wyden (D-OR), Nay ***

    Senate GOP who voted NO Wednesday on the financial bailout bill (S. Amdt. 5685 to H.R. 1424):
    Allard (R-CO), Nay
    Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
    Brownback (R-KS), Nay
    Bunning (R-KY), Nay
    Cochran (R-MS), Nay
    Crapo (R-ID), Nay
    DeMint (R-SC), Nay
    Dole (R-NC), Nay
    Enzi (R-WY), Nay
    Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
    Roberts (R-KS), Nay
    Sanders (I-VT), Nay
    Sessions (R-AL), Nay
    Shelby (R-AL), Nay
    Vitter (R-LA), Nay
    Wicker (R-MS), Nay
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    I'm in love with Feingold. He always votes for the people.
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    ...Now the Senate's site seems unable to handle the traffic. Even if it does or doesn't have the text of "S. Amdt. 5685" on it. Damn. Where's Al Gore?
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    All Things Come to He Who Googles Continually. I found the text of the amendment on this site: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/01/senate-ba... along with some pithy commentary about how technically there are no "earmarks" in it, as earmarks are properly spending not taxation. ROFL. Right. I see now. Of Course. whatever

    Direct links here: http://senateconservatives.files.wordpress.com/...
    And if it's down here: http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2008-10/ayo08...

    Highlights include:

    "New Tax earmarks in Bailout bill:

    * Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)
    * Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)
    * 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)

    Tax earmark “extenders” in the bailout gill:

    * Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)
    * American Samoa (Sec. 309)
    * Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)
    * Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)
    * Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)
    * Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)
    * Railroads (Sec. 316)
    * Auto Racing Tracks (317)
    * District of Columbia (Sec. 322)
    * Wool Research (Sec. 325)"

    Enjoy.
  • Asterix · 1 year ago
    I'm not arguing that some sort of action isn't needed, but tossing a tax break on something like this to get it passed is like putting Cool Whip on shit.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    Succinctly put. I agree with you.
  • Hawk · 1 year ago
    That's great! Excellent!

    Now, there are some 30 days left to the Bush years, maybe we can find a way to hand over another fortune to say maybe the Insurance sector before he leaves office!

    They'll be back in two months for MORE, Washington has rolled this country down the hill and I say thios country becaue the little people, thenones who can't earn more than say 30/40/50 a year ARE America and you just foeeced them again!!!

    You will regret this, mark MY words.
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    I thought lending would tighten and interest rates shoot up. Just got a notice from my credit union, who is offering 4.5% on new and used car loans. Is this because they are a CREDIT UNION and not a bank?
  • SCLiberal · 1 year ago
    "I wonder about 3 years ago, had we listened to President Bush, if we had listened to John McCain, if we had listened to the Republican leadership and we had privatized Social Security--can one begin to imagine the anxiety that would be existing all over this country in terms of senior citizens wondering what kind of retirement they would have, what kind of funding would be there for their remaining years? So thank goodness we did not follow the advice of President Bush and John McCain and the Republican leadership; thank goodness we kept Social Security strong."—Bernie Sanders

    I LOVE BERNIE SANDERS. Thank you, thank you!
  • Bia · 1 year ago
    Financing the Neocon Police State?


    Does it occur to anyone else that this obscene sum may be just the downpayment on Bush/Cheney's new Police State/Dictatorship?
    Funny how all this rush coincides with the first time our troops are being stationed HERE (YESTERDAY, Oct 1st! You missed the story Amblog) to patrol OUR streets "In case of civil unrest" since the days of the Civil War, after which they passed the Posse Comitas Act to outlaw quartering troops in the homeland (No doubt wiped away by Bush's Military Commissions Act of this summer!).
    So WHAT are they planning for US that would cause "Civil Unrest"? (besides this huge rip-off!)
    Another Tri-fecta for Bush, a canceled election, or just another STOLEN one?
    Is THIS the new "October Surprise", or just setting us up for a worse one?
    Thankyou, Bernie Sanders, for pointing out who really needs to pay for this "protection racket": The Obscenely-rich, who benefited from all the graft and corruption as Bush's "Base"!
  • truebluecoondog · 1 year ago
    The "haves" and the "have mores", as Dubya so accurately put it.
  • truebluecoondog · 1 year ago
    Did anyone notice the old guy sitting behind Barack Obama while Obama was speaking? He was whispering with another guy and snickering and laughing and holding his finger over his mouth to hold back his giggles.

    Who WAS that guy and was anyone else offended? I just didn't see anything to be laughing about in this very serious situation we are in.