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AMERICAblog: Calif. teen's family sues Cigna over transplant

  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 12 months ago
    Okay John A. and beloved A-bloggers...apologia right off the bat for posting this story again...it may be three times already...it's worth repeating ad nauseum.

    A buddy of mine from Yale undergrad days went on to Yale Law and graduated top of his class. Right out of law school he got a job at Blue Cross, where he worked his way up the legal ladder to the top over a 35 year career. His sole purpose, his raison d'etre, was for his large legal department to find legal ways to DENY claims. He was very good at it apparently. When he retired, early, they gave him a golden handshake of $22 million.

    I ran into him and he told me this and I asked..."How the fuck can ONE lawyer at ONE HMO receive that kind of obscene retirement bonus? His answer was, "You are so goddamned naive about how K-Street works."

    Q.E.D.
  • sittenpretty · 12 months ago
    what a vile POS
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 12 months ago
    And the funny thing is, he is not a POS. He saw this all as business as usual in his industry. They brainwashed him from day one.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    Any Yale Law grad who can't think for himself didn't earn his degree. He wasn't brainwashed. He believes in business for business's sake.
  • doggril · 12 months ago
    I'd be inclined to agree. No matter how nice a personality someone has, to do the deeds your buddy did pretty much, by definition, makes him a POS.
  • Rufus · 12 months ago
    It's too bad that our government doesn't allow us to kill, free and clear, one person during our lifetime. Your buddy from Yale would have then finally gotten his comeuppance -- all hail Karma.
  • Mike · 12 months ago
    My wife had a liver transplant two years ago. We had a private BCBS plan, but fortunately I also had coverage through my union at work.
    Both insurances contributed to the surgery and hospitalization, but only the union policy covered prescription drugs.
    The drugs over the first year of recovery would have cost about $40,000 without my union coverage.

    The prescription drug policies in this country urgently need to be addressed. How can an immune suppression drug cost
    $2250 per month retail and $15 a month through a union health plan? It's insane.
  • justadood · 12 months ago
    I hope they win too, but to pile pain atop misfortune....

    The family's likely to run into another painful fact of our Capitalist society, and that's court costs being borne privately. I won't go into the issues of the tort system (you've already heard the conservi-tard spiel that unlimited awards damage business, bleh), but what can kill this in court will be Cigna's legal team delaying and delaying, until the family's funds to support their legal team dry up. Since Lawyers don't work for free (or, rather a *VERY* rare few will work pro bono for the right case), it's entirely likely once they money's gone they will be too.

    What I feel is needed isn't as much a revisiting of the penalty phase of tort claims, but the speeding up of the 'discovery' and Trial phases. It's intentional inflicting of emotional distress to so prolong the effort that you break the finances of already poor people, or stress them into early graves.
  • woodnthrifty · 12 months ago
    In Georgia, a very red ignorant state they passed tort reform, limiting malpractice to $250,000. The hospital killed my father who was 76 and I talked to two lawyers who said that since my father was old and therefore worthless (as opposed to a wage earner) it costs more than $250,000 to put on a case. Hence, in Georgia, hospitals can treat old people anyway they want without fear of a law suit.

    In addition, hospitals and critical care centers, have nurses working there as independent contractors. So any mistakes by them don't implicate the hospital.
  • sittenpretty · 12 months ago
    i hate to be the bearer of bad news John,but the same plaque that forms on your teeth,can form in your arteries,there is a direct association with your gums and heart
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 12 months ago
    Yup...I have had all my teeth pulled but five on the bottom for a bridge. Have not had one bit of angina since. Gum disease and heart disease run in our family and this has seemed to slow it all down. Plus my smile is gorgeous now.
  • Griffon · 12 months ago
    For-profit healthcare is an abomination and a regressive business holdover from the dark ages. The notion that a clerical flunky halfway across the country can arbitrarily make life-or-death decisions, (and cut a bonus check for saving the corporation money) is simply horrific. That the public accepts it as a normal matter of course is surreal.

    No advanced civilization, no self-described 'christian nation' would embrace profiting on sickness and death. The US is #37 in healthcare and #41 in press freedom. We are not the 'good guys.'
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    I urge you to lobby Obama for single payer health care for all. HR 676 is what we need. It will even pay for dental and vision. Go to http://change.gov and click on Tom Daschle. Tell them you want HR676 passed and signed into law.
  • Griffon · 12 months ago
    Obama's plan keeps both the Pharmas and the insurance corporations front and center. Still for-profit vampires angling to withhold medical care. Further, Obama's plan is just boilerplate for the hospital-medical industry; otherwise why would Obama be ranked among the top receivers of health care dollars, however much their campaign prefers to spin the sources.

    Obama excused the telecoms for bald violations of the Constitution and in the process forever shut the door for prosecution of the bush administration for those violations; after pointedly promising just the opposite. There has not been established any reliable means to judge whether Obama will decide to 'modify' his promises or not. I am not sanguine that Obama will make a dent in such an unconscionably monstrous juggernaut as the Pharma/insurance monopoly. He will simply allow them to remain ensconced in a different, but no less string-pulling guise.

    Supporter enthusiasm for charismatic promises does not translate to firm commitment on Obama's part, as the telecom and offshore drilling about-faces so clearly illustrate.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    Above all Obama is a pragmatist. It is for this reason that I urge you and everyone to lobby him for single payer health care. Unless we insist that nothing else will suffice we won't get it. We may still not get it but we surely won't get it without a demand. Remember, "Power concedes nothing without a demand." My favorite Frederick Douglass quote.
  • Griffon · 12 months ago
    As I understand the term, Obama's plan is not single payer, but:
    "It instead follows the lead of European countries ranging from the Netherlands to Switzerland to Germany that provide universal coverage (and more doctors, hospitals and access to primary care) through multiple private insurers while spending less money than we do. The proposals all define basic benefits that insurers must offer without penalty for pre-existing conditions. They cover not just expensive sickness care, but also preventive care and cost-saving programs to give patients better control of chronic illnesses like diabetes and asthma."
    (via NYT)

    The program is still in the hands of private insurers, still adherent to profit-motive, still controlled solely by the pharma/insurance industry. Still going to cut corners on patients to save money for the private corporation shareholders.

    It is dangling the "universal healthcare/single payer" mirage and giving us the same shameless corporations repackaged as 'new and improved.' They are not; they have invested heavily in Obama and expect a concomitant return.

    For Obama to lead the vote for telecom immunity, to vote for an unconscionable FISA bill, and to veer 180º on offshore drilling, he's had to cast aside a host of alleged personal principles. I know not what he might do once the oath has been administered, but so far, he's come up short in standing his ground on real time issues; deferring to an abusive corporate line. It does not bode well.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 12 months ago
    Cigna turned me down for life-saving surgery... 3 times. I despise them. My employer switched me to Aetna, and they are even WORSE. Michael Moore is the only man in America who tells the truth when he says insurance companies are only in business to DENY US HEALTH CARE. They care not if we live or die.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    I urge you to lobby Obama for single payer health care for all. HR 676 is what we need. It will even pay for dental and vision. Go to http://change.gov and click on Tom Daschle. Tell them you want HR676 passed and signed into law.
  • woodnthrifty · 12 months ago
    Now, now! They only want you to die if you get sick. As long as you are well and paying the premiums they love you.
  • example · 12 months ago
    John, there's no reason why a government health care plan would have approved that. It's true that private insurance companies have to look out for shareholders, but public insurance companies have to look out for the bottom line. It looks like the cost of a bone marrow transplant is around $200k, while an HPV vaccination costs about $125. So you're looking at vaccinating around 1,600 people for the cost of one transplant.

    There are always going to be cost/benefit issues with any health care system.
  • vkobaya · 12 months ago
    It depends on which party is running the government. If we had universal one-payer health care the last eight years, can you imagine how many would have been turned down for life saving surgery, transplants, prescriptions, dental care, eyeglasses, etc. Bush would fund health care at double- triple -quadruple the rate of any other president and then the money would mysteriously be spent. He might even bother to lie claiming the cost of administration ate up all the money. But it would have ended up overseas accounts, his, Cheney's and whoever the Secretary of Health, and Human Services (at least a few dollars) as well as a few favored, good buddy doctors like Frist.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 12 months ago
    Cigna's chief executives and big shareholders: THEY'RE the ones who matter. Sick people: why don't THEY just DIE!! (as long as they keep paying premiums, that is).
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    I urge you to lobby Obama for single payer health care for all. HR 676 is what we need. It will even pay for dental and vision. Go to http://change.gov and click on Tom Daschle. Tell them you want HR676 passed and signed into law.
  • woodnthrifty · 12 months ago
    It is strange.......and the Repugs are against suicide. I guess instead of suicide, you commit a crime and then they will use capital punishment on you.

    I think prisons have health care. So if you get cancer.........rob a bank.....if you don't get caught you can buy health care.....if you get caught, they lock you up then you get health care, food, and a cot.
  • aibi · 12 months ago
    I haven't had health insurance since 1980, and that insurance was provided by my employer. That's the year my son was born, but as a single mother, the insurance wouldn't cover his birth (in Louisiana), and then I was dropped. In 1982, I tried to get insurance in Kansas, but the cheapest policy I could find at the time was $450/month - when my mortgage payment was $270! That's insane paying almost twice your mortgage payment for health insurance. At least when the mortgage is payed off, you've got a house. But under the current health care system, paying those premiums doesn't guarantee anything. It's long past time for universal health coverage.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    I urge you to lobby Obama for single payer health care for all. HR 676 is what we need. It will even pay for dental and vision. Go to http://change.gov and click on Tom Daschle. Tell them you want HR676 passed and signed into law.
  • Kate · 12 months ago
    Medicare doesn't cover teeth, either. Sorry. Just gum it.
  • lynchie · 12 months ago
    I pay my daughter's healthcare here in Western Pa. She was paying $165 a month for no coverage. she caught a skin infection went to the emergency room and they referred her to an intermal medicine doc. the hospital provided no service of any kind except the referral. They billed $150 and the healthcare provider paid $0. The internist charged $250 to take a blood sample, the tests were $350. The insurance paid $45. The doc wrote a script for an antibiotic $85 and the prescription was $145 none of which was covered. So the total cost to her was $1025. the healtchare actually covered nothing. Two months later her healtchare went from $165 to $215 a month with no change in coverage and the insurance company can not explain why the monthly went up since they have never paid anything out. There is no one to complain to, the insurance company just give you the old 45 minutes on hold and life rolls along.

    It is a joke and the whole system is about not delivering healthcare or coverage for its customers. Yet the people I talk to in this little town all shake at the thought of a Universal program cause it is socialist don't you know.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    I urge you to lobby Obama for single payer health care for all. HR 676 is what we need. It will even pay for dental and vision. Go to http://change.gov and click on Tom Daschle. Tell them you want HR676 passed and signed into law.
  • lynchie · 12 months ago
    I have single payer healthcare i am the only one who pays. I am from Canada and have lived her for 23 years. The canadian system works and works well. We need Universal Healthcare. That excludes no one and doesn't shove the bills onto the people who are sick.
  • lsamsa · 12 months ago
    I'm Canadian, living in Canada.
    When I get sick, when I need surgery, when I need emergency care...I am always looked after, with the best of care, hospitilization, & prompt treatment according to my ailment.
    With illness or disease, one obviously worries about being ill, how it will affect one's life and work and family...the one thing I have never, in my 50 odd years, had to worry about is putting out money for receiving health care. Oh, well, except in the last few years, for the odd doctor's note, but that would be it...and trust me, I've had my fair share of illness, surgeries, emergency visits, tests, etc.
    What on this good earth the people in the U.S. are afraid of in terms of having guaranteed health care for everyone...is totally beyond my understanding.
    The nightmare stories I've read over the years, from U.S. citizens talking about their lack of health care, are unbelievable.
  • lynchie · 12 months ago
    Well Isamsa the problem is Americans are stupid. The Republicans and the Insurance companies continue to spout the long waiting time (years), the doctors in Canada aren't qualified and that it is a communist system (socialist). Yet on the other hand they go along with welfare for the richest Americans and the richest companies. I honestly don't think that anyone is going to change this until it is totally broken. Keep in mind the politicians have the best health care and you can bet that the insurance companies make sure they never charge these heathens. Do you think a single politician has a clue about extra costs, I don't. The doctors here know exactly what they will be getting reimbursed. They continue to charge thousands more because the unpaid portion simply goes to the patient and americans are deathly afraid and simply pay the bill without asking a single question. If the doctors weren't so greedy it would help. Doctors see 30, 40, 50 patients a day. They spend 5 minutes or less with them and the nurse or PA little more. they don't know their patients, don't interact with them and because there is no real connection never recognize other things wrong. They treat symptoms with drugs, don't know for sure how they interact but believe a drug sales rep when he says this or that is the correct dosage and don't worry about interaction. The FDA has approved the drug. But the FDA acts like a rubber stamp for the Pharmaceutical companies and the spiral continues.
  • Indigo · 12 months ago
    The bedrock fact is that the business of the insurance business is business. The role of people who buy insurance is to keep the business of insurance in business. Take it from there . . .

    Moral issues and issues of social concern or fairness are relevant only from the point of view of the people who buy insurance. Their point of view has nothing to do with the business of the business of insurance.

    All other bets are off. Arguing with them is tantamount to arguing with a stop sign. It doesn't hear you. It has no emotion concerning you. It's just business.

    If that leaves someone cold, the recourse is to get active. I notice that in Athens, dissatisfied youth took to the streets. We don't do that here, we're sophistimicated and sit at ergonomically correct computer desks. We can do better. The street is right out the door!
  • tas · 12 months ago
    Blue Cross/Blue Shield Florida. 31% premium increase to $679.00 per month.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    I urge you to lobby Obama for single payer health care for everybody. http://change.gov and click on Tom Daschle. HR676 is the bill we want passed and signed into law.
  • paulbe · 12 months ago
    Guarantee coverage with what? As a nation you've spent all your money on wars that got you absolutely nowhere. Nothing left but worthless dollar notes.
  • vkobaya · 12 months ago
    Wrong! We got 1.3 million heathen, infidel, evil, hateful Arabs dead and 4 million more homeless, starving and cursing this nation for a needless war against them when they did nothing against America except shake their impotent fists at us. As for the plans to steal their oil, Iraqi oil production is a small fraction of what it was under Saddham. Yeah, we killed Saddham, but killing Saddham is like executing the begger for begging or the even maybe the Salvation Army bell ringer. Yeah, he was a bad guy, annoying, etc. but so are beggers and Salvation Army bell ringers. Real bad guys like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, etc. go scott free as we don't want to dwell on the sordid, pathetic, criminal past.
  • vkobaya · 12 months ago
    Sheeze John! Haven't you heard of white canes, or blenders to make baby food? You are so greedy just like all the pigs who are the American people. You want you government to take care of you cradle to grave. Go out and work for a living, earn you own keep and pay for your own healthcare like a real man, like the CEOs of our major corporations who have earned their keep and healthcare with their hard work, blood, sweat and brains. It's dumb lazy,thieving, lying, dirty, diseased N-----s like you who gum up the works and are dragging America down the gutter. If you took a bath once in a while and brushed your teeth occasionally, you wouldn't get sick so often.
  • chowderSF · 12 months ago
    Charming your way straight to hell. Pretty.
  • monitor · 12 months ago
    vkobaya,

    Take a deep breath.

    Fair warning...

    sitemonitor
  • SCLiberal · 12 months ago
    Please, please ban this person.
  • patchwork · 12 months ago
    Heh--some of us low income retirees know exactly what you are talking about.

    Recently had an "event" in one of my eyes. I am a diabetic, controlled by diet (that is a whole nuther story after a visit to the ER
    and the shabby way I was treated in a follow up visit to the "doctor" ) But, I was prescribed eye drops to take and I did what the dear doctor told me to do. I have AARP and useless Medicare, but no prescription coverage. Cost of all the tests I had after insurance was around 250 dollars. Cost of eyeglasses was, the cheapest I could get btw, was 200 dollars. Cost of the eyedrops that last about a month and a third, is gaddam 72 dollars. New prescription because the eye pressure is still up, will cost me near 100 dollars. Wow, that is 172 dollars every month and a half. Looked it up on the WalMary pharmacy and the same ingredient is available for four dollars. Walmart some forty miles away, so called my supermarket to find out if I could get the generic. precription written for the brand name, which has an "extra" ingredient added to it, which has nothing to do with the basic medicine in the eye drops. See? Add some crap to the prescription and deny people the advantage of getting the generic. Ran out of the drops which the doctor gave me a sample on Christmas day, simply because I could not see, due to the way it is packaged, how much was left in the bottle. Called the MD to see if he could rewrite the prescription for the generic, but of course, no office on Christmas day, or the following day and so will have to wait until Monday to find out whether of not I can get the generic eye drops, so I will go four days without the drops, because there is a huge difference between one hundred dollars and four dollars and in my financial position, that is really really huge.

    I am not a slough off. Me and my husband have worked all of out lives and worked hard. At this age I fear where I will end up, as I think there is more to come as I age further.

    Thanks for reading
  • Rufus · 12 months ago
    The answer is HR 676 which has been pending in the House since January 2007. It is universal health care -- medical, dental, vision, prescriptions, old age health care, etc., etc. However, it will never pass until we all get mad as hell and won't take it anymore. Of course we will have to deal with the insurance companies, the lobbyists, and those in Congress (House and Senate) who are getting a little something under the table. Here's an idea: Draft them all into the Army and put them to work building roads in rural Texas down by the border (nice and hot down there).
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    I'm lobbying Obama for HR 676. It's not likely he'll go for it so I'm also urging him to set the ground rules for every health care insurer/provider: a) all consumers in one pool, b) no pre-existing conditions, c) mental & physical health care parity, d) big pharma must negotiate pricing with the fed. govt., and e) administrative costs cannot exceed that of Medicare (3%). Any company that wants to compete in such a market is welcome.

    I urge you to send Obama your recommendations: http://change.gov. Click on Tom Daschle and give him an ear full.
  • vkobaya · 12 months ago
    However, it will never pass until we all get mad as hell and won't take it anymore.

    How's about rioting, guillotines and blood running down the streets? Think that is mad enough? Of course, if we riot, they own the government and have jet fighters and bombers which they will use to fight back against our bricks, rocks and clubs. Besides, they will portray us as evil, Commie hooligans, vandals, and troublemakers, punks, gangsters, etc. who wanted to kill the good, honest, leading citizens of this nation, the real Americans who work and make America the great nation it is, whose intelligence and integrity are what keeps our industries working and keeps America number one.

    One of my gut fears is that when push comes to shove, Obama is going to side with the corporatists, CEOs, politicians and good honest leading Americans of this nation.
  • RB · 12 months ago
    Health insurance companies exist to make money. That is the only reason for their existence. The maintenance of health is the path through which they make their money..

    Why don't we have universal health care via the government? The primary goal then would be the health of the American public.

    I am also fed up with insurance companies and I am fully covered, dental, visual etc. As my dad always used to say "[Health] insurance companies are just rackets."
  • dances with beagles · 12 months ago
    Isn't Obama's plan just to make health insurance coverage more affordable? What a joke. Any plan that doesn't include the phase out of private for-profit health insurance will be a failure. I bet the insurance companies can't wait until Obama is sworn in.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    John, it's exactly why I am lobbying for single payer coverage for all. Every legal resident of the U.S. should have healthcare coverage at a reasonable price. Medicare could cover everybody in the U.S. at a reasonable cost and Medicare Part D (prescription drugs) would be affordable if the federal government would demand that big pharma negotiate a reasonable price. There should be no such thing as pre-existing conditions and mental health should have parity with physical health conditions.

    For profit health care is horrible. There should not be a profit involved in health care. Medicare's administrative costs are 3% while for profit insurers are racking up upwards of 30%. They collect your money and invest it in the market (playing the float). When you need health care they dip into their investments to pay for it. The market is in the toilet so they're restricting your coverage. Simple. Oh and they also take their profit out of it.

    I urge you to lobby Congress and Obama for single payer health care for all legal residents of the U.S.
  • RB · 12 months ago
    I'm hoping Obama will rethink his strategy. Universal health care should be the right of every American without any insurance company involvement.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    He won't unless we lobby him and he may not even then. But for sure we don't have a chance if we don't lobby. Go to http://change.gov, click on Tom Daschle, and send him a message that you want single payer. HR676 is what we need. It was introduced into Congress last year and we need it passed and signed into law.
  • woodnthrifty · 12 months ago
    Obama is being pragmatic. One step at a time. If it can be done, I believe Obama will do it. Also, with the jobless rate going up, more people will be without healthcare that is employer sponsored.
  • SCLiberal · 12 months ago
    I guess next up is for-profit fire departments and police departments. We already have for-profit prisons and schools.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 12 months ago
    Yeh, too bad people don't think of it that way. People are so afraid of "socialism" when they don't realize we have many socialized programs already.
  • Zorba · 12 months ago
    I agree that people have been conditioned to freak out over the idea of "socialized medicine." Oh, no! You might not get the care you need! You might have to wait for care! And this is different from what we get with "for profit" health care.....how? I think we need to re-frame the dialogue and start talking about "Medicare for all." Most people are familiar with Medicare- their parents or grandparents are using it. It might help dispell the fear, at least somewhat.
  • vkobaya · 12 months ago
    Don't forget the goddamn evil prescription drug industry. I need potassium chloride as I take diuretics to control my high blood pressure. They now charge $55 for a hundred capsules. All the capsule contains is USP (pharmacy grade) potassium chloride, which if you look it up in the chemical supply houses costs about $200 per a railroad tank car (many, many tons of KCl). Or if you buy it from a chemical supply house by the laboratory bottle, a kilogram bottles costs on the order of $15. 40 years ago when I was a chemistry student, table salt, USP cost $20 a tank car and potassium chloride, USP, was $30. Yeah, the cost has gone up to about $200, but my calculations show that the pharmacy company is profitting about a billion-trillion times on the potassium chloride.

    Another example is cost of AZT for HIV. Back when the drug was first developed, they tried to charge $10,000 per a dose/pill/injection for the drug claiming they needed to recover the cost of research and development of the drug which probably actually came out of university research program. Should be very grateful to those good people that they didn't ask $100,000 or a million dollars each. Of course, humanitarian motives priced it at a measly, and very affordable $10,000.

    Government needs to regulate the profit of the greedy pharmaceutical companies as part of the universal healthcare program.
  • Chimpeach · 12 months ago
    I was in Italy a few years ago and thought I felt a cold sore coming on. I have a prescription for Acyclovir but didn't have it with me. Thinking it might be sold over the counter in Europe I went into a pharmacy and bought some for about 7 Euros. When I got back to the states I took it to my local pharmacist and asked how much it would cost me if I didn't have insurance. He told me it would be over $200. So prescription only Acyclovir here $200.. In Italy, OTC same strength, same quantity about 9$. WTF?????
  • KerrynowCampau · 12 months ago
    The trick must be to buy heath insurance stock. With your dividends you can pay for what insurance doesn't.

    If we never get universal heath care the insurance companies are going to f*ck themselves out of business. They are going to be so expensive that few can afford it. They will cover so little that no one will buy. It will be quite a tight rope walk and I hope I live long enough to see them crash.
  • wearing out my F key · 12 months ago
    i'm sure the government can bring some reason and accountability to this situation. (pause for laughter). only the government can bring about a health care program that is efficient, effective, and doesn't break the bank. (the crowd is really rolling now) the american government is going to lead us out of this situation, and into a brighter day. (blackout!) goodnight everyone, thanks, you've been a great audience, and please, tip your waitresses!
  • doggril · 12 months ago
    Take the sophomoric trash talk out of your argument and you've got...um....nothing left.
  • Griffon · 12 months ago
    "only the government can bring about a health care program that is efficient, effective, and doesn't break the bank. (the crowd is really rolling now)"

    I would wager that the soldiers who were assigned the roach and mold-infested squalor at Walter Reed may have a different opinion of the veracity and viability of privatized health care providers; and while dumping homeless patients in the gutters and ignoring patients for over 24 hours in a waiting room may save bed space and insurance forms, it also reduces your attempt at sarcasm to ignorant obscenity.

    The trouble is not so much a government-run program, but the incompetence in control of the government running the program. To state it another way, republicans need not apply.
  • jurassicpork · 12 months ago
    Employer-provided health coverage is no great shakes, either, especially if you have Fallon. True story:

    At my next-to-last job, where Fallon was one of two HMO's offered, a guy I knew suffered total renal failure. The doctor told him he'd need dialysis 3 times a week. Guess what Fallon said?

    "Can't you go just twice a week?"

    You go twice with no kidneys, you die. All dialysis patients need to go 3 times a week.

    At my current job, Fallon is our only choice and single person coverage has now skyrocketed to $67 a week (5 years ago it was $31 per week and then Mitt Romney had to get involved, mandating coverage in MA at the prices they were essentially free to jack up to the skies).

    That's without dental, incidentally.

    Needless to say, when premiums went up, actual coverage went down so that now anything above a splinter is considered frivolous.

    Like Michael Moore keeps pointing out, HMO's make their money by denying you coverage and looking for every angle in the book to keep from doing their basic function.

    Which is keeping their policyholders alive so they can continue paying those jack-up premiums.
  • judybrowni · 12 months ago
    67$ A WEEK! I faint. That's 1/4 of my monthly payment for health insurance that also didn't cover much of what I needed.

    I guess that's what passes for a bargain in health insurance, lower payments for not getting the health care you need.
  • LauraK · 12 months ago
    Medicare doesn't cover teeth, eyes or ears, those 3 nonessential parts of our bodies. The kindness of strangers got me my first new glasses in 5 years last Christmas(and I'm another one legally blind without them). My hearing loss isn't too bad yet, and I'm learning to eat with only 9 teeth. Since I've been toothless over a year, I'm better at it now. But I do stay home mostly, because being toothless is embarrassing along with making a good diet extremely difficult.

    Social Security disability pays a pittance (Sterling Newberry wrote a couple of years ago that our Social Security benefits would be 70% higher if inflation were still calculated the way it was in the Carter administration). Medicaid has a very high share of cost here in California--you are allowed $600/month "maintenance", and any income over that is share of cost each month. That means you pay nearly everything out of pocket or go without. Medicare has all sorts of costs, deductibles, copayments, etc, too, so I always owe my doctors money.
  • kartoon · 12 months ago
    It's probably worth saying again. Single payer government-run insurance is the ONLY way to go. Nothing else comes remotely close to providing the required assistance for most of us mortals. It really shouldn't be necessary to go through all those tedious arguments again, and yes, the doctors will object and threaten to strike. But in the end, it is the only way to go. You will, for instance, not have an auto industry very soon unless those private insurance premiums get reduced. And to all those who sputter about socialism, the response is 'what exactly is your alternative?' More of the same? Care for the people who cared for you in your young years. You hold wealth in common with them. Spread it around and you will all benefit from the security of knowing you will receive care when you need it. No ifs, ands or buts from the insurance industry thank you very much. It should go out of business and get out of way. A depression in the medical insurance industry would be a godsend.
  • vkobaya · 12 months ago
    Single payer government-run insurance is the ONLY way to go.

    Just as long as we don't get another @#$%^&!!! like George Bush or any Republican of similar ilk taking over our government. If we do, all the money, probably 4 times normal would not do us any good as none of it would reach the level of the common people. Bush would embezzle most and what was left would be stolen by his crooked doctor friends like Frist.

    Should add that there are also a lot of corrupt Damnocrats who would be no better running single payer, universal health care. The ways of corruption are many. Given what I've seen of the current genration of politicians, they all seem to be cut from the same stripe, both Republicans and Damnocrats, self-serving bastards who care nothing of their obligations to those who voted them into office.
  • Griffon · 12 months ago
    "The French system strongly discourages the kind of experience rating that occurs in the United States, making it more difficult for insurers to deny coverage for preexisting conditions or to those who are not in good health. In fact, in France, the sicker you are, the more coverage, care, and treatment you get. Would American insurance companies cut a comparable deal?"

    "France's model healthcare system

    Although the French system faces many challenges, the World Health Organization rated it the best in the world in 2001 because of its universal coverage, responsive healthcare providers, patient and provider freedoms, and the health and longevity of the country's population. The United States ranked 37.

    The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.

    An understanding of how France came to its healthcare system would be instructive in any renewed debate in the United States.

    That's because the French share Americans' distaste for restrictions on patient choice and they insist on autonomous private practitioners rather than a British-style national health service, which the French dismiss as "socialized medicine." Virtually all physicians in France participate in the nation's public health insurance, Sécurité Sociale.

    Their freedoms of diagnosis and therapy are protected in ways that would make their managed-care-controlled US counterparts envious. However, the average American physician earns more than five times the average US wage while the average French physician makes only about two times the average earnings of his or her compatriots. But the lower income of French physicians is allayed by two factors. Practice liability is greatly diminished by a tort-averse legal system, and medical schools, although extremely competitive to enter, are tuition-free. Thus, French physicians enter their careers with little if any debt and pay much lower malpractice insurance premiums.

    (continued)
    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opin...

    They were also correct about the war.
  • ndtovent · 12 months ago
    I remember that story, and I hope they win. There should be many more cases like these, but because the ins. lobby is so strong, it's almost impossible to sue ins. companies over gross negligence like this, and other horrendous practices as well.
  • judybrowni · 12 months ago
    Cigna is the worst (and that's saying something, when you'r comparing health insurance companies.)

    After 10 years battle just finding insurance, in which one insurance company dropped everyone enrolled in my state, and another insurance company turned out to be fraudulent (took our payments, never made any to doctors or hospitals, so treatments were stopped), the last group plan I was able to enter was a small group in Cigna's which despite being a national company used the excuse of our small group to doubl monthly payments within a matter of years, and then finally forced me out by insisting on a $1,000 a month plan -- which didn't cover another $400 a month in treatments.

    So I have no insurance, and I just refuse to open the bills from the last trip to the emergency room when I was uncovered.
  • Bloix · 12 months ago
    I'm suspicious of this story.

    First, Nataline Sarkisyan had leukemia and had had two bone marrow transplants (both paid for by CIGNA) - she was not cured of her cancer. Her liver failed due to complications from the second bone marrow transplant. A liver transplant was a long-shot for her.

    Second, there are far more potential recipients of livers than there are livers available for transplant. At the end of 2007, UCLA had over 500 people on its wait list for livers - I have seen nothing to show that Sarkisyan was number one on the list. At UCLA, one-fifth of all those on the waiting list die without getting a transplant. http://www.ustransplant.org/csr/current/publicD....

    Third, CIGNA did not stop UCLA from performing the transplant, assuming a liver was actually available. The hospital could have performed the surgery and sought the money later. Did they actually refuse to do a transplant until they got a guarantee of payment? I've seen nothing to imply that. It seems more likely that no liver was available.

    Fourth, government health care would not necessarily have guaranteed a transplant for Sarkisyan. Under England's National Health Service, for example, she would not have qualified for a transplant because her chances of survival were too low. http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatisti...
  • Asterix · 12 months ago
    Dear Federal Elected Official,

    Let's be clear about this. The American people have voted for candidates on the basis of health care for all since at least JFK. And you, regardless of party, have done nothing (except for LBJ who got very minimal healthcare for the aged and very poor--and you've worked at eroding that). Nixon promised it, Clinton promised it. Joe Biden had single-payer healthcare as his official position before he accepted the nomination for VP. Now it's gone from his website. Oh well, a good idea.

    Don't blame the other party--that's a Washington sucker's game. Mugabe plays the same game in Zimbabwe, blaming Western interests for the death and destruction he's wrought on his people. We won't buy your excuses.

    We have a higher infant mortality rate than Cuba--we're 41st in the quality of infant survival. Think of all the babies you've condemned to die because of your petty politics. It's a wonder that you sleep at night.

    Our old people don't do much better. We're 45th in terms of life expectancy. The needless deaths of this country's citizens are on your head.

    And yet your inaction has led to unbelievable waste. The US spends far more per capita on health care costs than citizens of any other country--far more.

    If there were a national referendum process in this country, we'd have single-payer healthcare for all. But you refuse to do the will of the people--and yet you make us, the taxpayers, pay for your own top-notch healthcare.

    Crooks. Murderers. You make me sick with your petty stupid little games to enrich yourselves and your friends. May you rot in Hell, every single one of you.
  • shell · 12 months ago
    The sad thing is: no American seems to care about this issue until it affects them. I have said it before, but this has been growing for decades. As for you, you feel the pinch with pharmaceuticals. But what else? You are relatively healthy. What if YOU needed an operation to save your life? Do you think Cigna would cover it? Who knows? You just have to wait until the time comes. And, of course, the yardstick will change all the time. What is covered now, won't be next month. For example, I am sure they say they will cover certain heart surgeries. Yeah, when you don't need them. But when you do, nope.

    When will America wake up? I have been waiting for 25 years .....
  • edfu · 12 months ago
    Empire Blue Cross/Blue Shield (New York State) individual HMO policy, premium increase from $568.75 to $621.50.
  • fencepost · 12 months ago
    FIRST, GLASSES: Take a look at the GlassyEyes blog (http://glassyeyes.blogspot.com) for links (with discounts) to online eyeglasses vendors where you can get glasses pretty much dirt cheap. You're on your own for getting your prescription, but that shouldn't be too hard. If you already have a prescription you can probably get 2 pair of glasses for under $30 shipped until the end of the year based on holiday promotions from one of the vendors.

    Second, I suspect that drug costs are part of the reason many folks with MS end up on disability - the drugs seem to run $21,000 to $29,000 per year, plus doc visits (specialists!), possibly infusion costs, and of course the occasional MRI. I think all of the manufacturers have fairly active programs to try to keep people receiving medications, but they're still very expensive. Also, the drugs won't have "generic" versions because it's not really patents protecting them - they're under some sort of orphan drug protection instead.
  • Tony · 12 months ago
    I have Cigna through work, and I can't be more pleased with the company. My wife, who is a disabled vet, got in a motorcycle accident that was service-connected (she was returning to base due to a call in). The Navy "doctors" wanted to amputate her leg. She refused and the "doctors" refused to treat her any further. Later, she became friends with an Army doctor who transferred her to an Army base so he could do the surgery to repair her knee (seeing her able to pick up her lower leg and fold it so it rested on top of her thigh disturbed the man); that surgery, which was only supposed to last 10 years, did fine for almost 20. Six years ago she went to an orthopedic surgeon, he was able to go in and remove the original hardware and do some more work. My out-of-pocket cost for her surgery, which was well over $15,000, was about $1,000. I had severe varicose veins in my right leg due to an accident early in my life, and went to a vascular surgeon to have it taken care of. My out-of-pocket expense for this surgery, which was close to $10,000, was again about $1,000. (Cigna now considers this treatment to be cosmetic in nature and will no longer cover the work.)

    I'm sure that you can find good and bad stories about medical insurance companies. I've never had any problems with Cigna. But, as the old canard goes, your mileage may vary...