AMERICAblog: Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Tenet and Ashcroft discussed and approved torture methods
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
The disturbing part is that I'm not that disturbed at all. If it comes out that we were reviewing notes from Nazi Germany for torture ideas, I don't think I'd be that surprised.
mikeyDe
· 1 year ago
The Nazis got some of their techniques from us. They studied techniques we used at the border to delouse Mexican day workers. The gas they used in the extermination camps was the same we used on day workers, only a higher concentration.
We're all good Germans now.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
A very interesting issue showing that if the caucuses had been primaries, Obama would have been in an even better position that it is now.
It's troubling to me that this shit from this group of people doesn't even suprise me anymore. And I skated past disgust with this gang of war criminals a couple of years ago.
kohodog
· 1 year ago
As a kid Bush got off sticking firecrackers in frogs butts and setting them off. I doubt he's changed much. He truly seems to relish other peoples pain.
risa87
· 1 year ago
And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride, tlhwraith.
TomIII
· 1 year ago
Torture and treason. Murder and rape.
This is Chimpy's legacy.
TomIII
· 1 year ago
The Constitution is 'just a goddamn piece of paper" to Chimpy.
We have descended into madness.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Powell too?
That sucks.
notanumber
· 1 year ago
risa87
· 1 year ago
Re-reading the list of names, I find it disgusting any of these people can even pretend to be anywhere close to religous.
TomIII
· 1 year ago
Colon Bowel.
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
"Band of Sociopaths" ?
bumpkis
· 1 year ago
One way tickets to the Hague for all of them...throw in Addington, Feith, Wolfowitz and about 100 others....don't I wish.
TomIII
· 1 year ago
Anybody got a rope?
Ace Hardware has torches and pitchforks on sale.
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
Dont forget Presscot Bush (grandpoppy) was banker to Hitler,and endorsed Eugenics...chip off the old block
NMRon
· 1 year ago
War Crimes Tribunal anyone?
TomIII
· 1 year ago
We are SO fucked.
Chimpy and Cheney will NOT give up power if the Dems win.
They will find an excuse to declare martial law.
Chimpy gets to be the marshal. Mister Cheney promised.
notanumber
· 1 year ago
Of course Powell would agree to this. He tried to conceal My Lai.
It is a deeply ingrained Republican thing. After 4 decades there should be no surprise only a proper society's civilized reaction. This continuing defect of purpose and threat to civilization should cause the GOP to be given the same hospitality as the KKK.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Thank you very much for saying that and for saying it so well.
risa87
· 1 year ago
Ropes would be an easy way out for this group. I'm with bumpkis: war criminal trials for every last one of these bastards. I do agree with the torches and pitchforks, however.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Are NeoCon freaks born that way or are they taught to be so evil and ugly?
Meanwhile, where is every body?
risa87
· 1 year ago
Stanlely Cup playoffs started tonight, FunMe. I have a game on TV and am listening to one on the internet.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
So this star-chamber they have set up is disturbing to the extreme. How long until we have roving death-squads right here? Ity isn't like they couldn't pull it off. Complicit courts, complicit MSM, complicit political opposition, complicit lazy-ass Americans in general.
I'm sorry but I don't think the voting booth is going to be enough right now.
JayR
· 1 year ago
If the criminals are not prosecuted do we have a right to complain about China?
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
Hey mirth! Thanks for the video link downstairs. :)
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Cheney should have a pacemaker glued to his testicles.
When you couple a loss of Habeas Corpus with a seeming lax view of the use of torture, you get a citizenry that "should" be alarmed. However it seems that the media isn't elaborating the larger picture on our collective loss of civil rights.
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tbhull
· 1 year ago
The same folks that bring us this administration and these failed fascist ideas bring us our media.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: "Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly."
He's got that right.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Then-National Security Advisor Rice, sources said, was decisive. Despite growing policy concerns -- shared by Powell -- that the program was harming the image of the United States abroad, sources say she did not back down, telling the CIA: "This is your baby. Go do it."
"John Yoo's complicity in establishing the policy that led to the torture of prisoners constitutes a war crime under the US War Crimes Act," said National Lawyers Guild President Marjorie Cohn.
johnsonFamily
· 1 year ago
I heard Charles Gibson introduce this story on tonight's news and tried my best to remember the exact way he phrased it. I intended to write him a nasty note later. But I've forgotten! I'm such a senior! What he said was something classically passive voice though, meaning: it was legal because "someone" had pronounced it legal. Last I heard, of course, Congress has the power to make things legal or not, to abrogate international treaties, and so on.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Bumpkis,
Let us all hope and pray that Yoo along with his fellow criminals will finally make their way to the courtroom of the Hague.
By the way, Greetings!
bumpkis
· 1 year ago
Hi PT...I would not mind seeing all of them disbursed among the general population of one of our worst prisons...we could all participate in office pools betting on how long each would last....pick a couple of dates and use our tax rebate money for the kitty.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Bumpkis,
OUCH! Great Idea, I think we also need to edit the uniforms they wear as well. I vote for something pretty, swingy, pink and short.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
Breath deep The gathering gloom Watch lights fade From every room Bedsitter people Look back and lament Another day's useless Energy spent
Impassioned lovers Wrestle as one Lonely man cries for love And has none New mother picks up And suckles her son Senior citizens Wish they were young
Cold hearted orb That rules the night Removes the colours From our sight Red is gray and Yellow white But we decide Which is right And Which is an Illusion
John Burge
· 1 year ago
Gee, somehow this all reminds me of something—oh yeah, the banality of evil. Where's Hannah now we need her?
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
tbhull 1 minute ago,
I agree that our media has now become a corporate run arm of their political aims.
I remember when the major networks used their NEWS programs as a Public Service? They used that slot as a way to actually GIVE BACK to the public at a profit loss for them.
I guess that concept is long gone...
gman
· 1 year ago
WE DON'T TORTURE, WE DON'T TORTURE, WE DON'T TORTURE, WE DON'T TORTURE, WE DON'T TORTURE..... But us do.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
The only question I have about the whole CNN/CBS mess is:
WhERE DOES THAT LEAVE LARA LOGAN?
She makes me go vroooom!
EdNSted
· 1 year ago
Singing TRoll,
I had no idea you were a Moody Blues fan......
kl8n
· 1 year ago
If I'm not mistaken, this officially makes them war criminals, doesn't it?
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I am not sure how the case proceeded in France but at least Rumsfled was charged as a war criminal. You may not remember this story of Rumsfeld fleeing a Paris breakfast meeting because he thought he was going to be arrested.
War crimes have been committed; we hung the Japanese for doing it, we put sheriffs in jail for it. We know who did it, and when.
BP
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
I can't help but believe once Bush is out of office, all hell is going to break loose with the crimes these "evil doers" have perpetrated on this country. Bush will not be able to give pardons once he is gone. We will have years in court.
EdNSted
· 1 year ago
I'm normally a very calm fellow. I don't get too upset by the news very often. Disappointed sometimes. But this really pisses me off. Were it within my power, I would build a prison far worse than Guantanamo where the leaders of these particular Christians would have to spend the rest of their natural lives:
There would be no mercy, no lawyers, no appeals, no parole and no hope. On good days, and only with extremely good behavior, the inmates would get to be waterboarded. Most days would be far worse. This kind kind of obscene behavior does not get a free pass just because it is done it the name of a someone's god. I would loudly applaud Texas if they slapped these bastards in jail, threw away the key, and burned their damned temple to the ground and made a public park out of the property. This is not about freedom of religion. This is about the worse forms of child abuse. People can live in the 14th century if they choose to but they should not be allowed to take their children with them. 4 kids by age 16? Just why in the hell did Texas allow this to go on so long?
EarthAbides
· 1 year ago
There will be no election. Why would these inhumane warmongers give up all the power they have stolen? Martial Law will be declared and we will all be starving because the economy crashed. Its all a part of the plan....
jack
· 1 year ago
"...the most senior Bush administration officials discussed and approved specific details..." It's not bad, it's good- the closer they can be brought to bear, the better chance for war crimes or other charges to stick.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
Ed, I don't understand it either. It seems to me if a crime against the country is committed, freedom of religion should not be able to trump the law. Surely, if I had a religion calling for human sacrifice, the law would have me in jail. I don't get it.
mf_roe
· 1 year ago
I'm truly happy that they are so confident of their "Untouchability". Just because US laws seem to be moot is little reason to ignore what may someday see the light of day in the Hague.
Todd
· 1 year ago
Equally disturbing were some of the comments on the ABC website from the authoritarian zombies who think anything (literally) done to keep us safe from the evil terrorists is A-OK. They clearly have no idea about concepts of democracy.
Dummyyah
· 1 year ago
"The United States Does Not Torture!" From the mouth of a good Christian who really loves, ya know, Jesus and all that. The point here is America is safer and these evil doers are, ya know, really pissed off at having their nuts connected to car batteries. Its in the Old Tetsment somewhere that this stuff is cool, at least thats what all of these rabid Jews I ahve surrounded myself with tell me
jerry
· 1 year ago
No threat of impeachment? Then no leverage, no answers. Some understand the use of power, others seem to have forgotten.
PhilipGraham
· 1 year ago
Interesting, that in the segment Ashcroft mentions how history won't look kindly on all this sordid business. No, history will not be kind. I remember helping my daughter with her homework last year, when she attended a Portuguese school; I was helping her prepare for the coming history test on the years of the dictator Salazar. Unfortunately, I was able to give her a great deal of context by comparing Salazar's violations of democracy with Bush's. You can read it here, in "Another History Lesson": http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/philipgraham/25...
jr
· 1 year ago
"they don't have a black pastor so that's fine"-cable news
mirth
· 1 year ago
EdNSted:
Texas allowed it just as the states of Utah and Colorado allowed it and there are other pockets of them in other states and underage girls forced into marriage is the least of it. I recommend the book Under The Banner Of Heavan if you want to know more.
It is worth noting that both Bill Clinton and Albert Gore approved "extraordinary renditions."
mirth
· 1 year ago
Hi Polly :)
S_T: The vid? You are welcome. Anything for you. And the sunglasses are funnee.
JayR: Hell yes! We must raise our voice, no matter what.
mirth
· 1 year ago
I dunno, Karol. I think we citizens have grown accustomed to no accountability. I don't think we (as in we citizens, collectively) expect the rule of law and would most probably grow bored with hearings, particularly if it messed with our tv program schedules.
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We're all good Germans now.
http://www.dcourage.com/Caucus%20Study.pdf
This is Chimpy's legacy.
We have descended into madness.
That sucks.
Ace Hardware has torches and pitchforks on sale.
Chimpy and Cheney will NOT give up power if the Dems win.
They will find an excuse to declare martial law.
Chimpy gets to be the marshal. Mister Cheney promised.
It is a deeply ingrained Republican thing. After 4 decades there should be no surprise only a proper society's civilized reaction. This continuing defect of purpose and threat to civilization should cause the GOP to be given the same hospitality as the KKK.
Meanwhile, where is every body?
How long until we have roving death-squads right here?
Ity isn't like they couldn't pull it off.
Complicit courts, complicit MSM, complicit political opposition, complicit lazy-ass Americans in general.
I'm sorry but I don't think the voting booth is going to be enough right now.
Thanks for the video link downstairs.
:)
Cheney's Sunglasses...
http://www.bigbrassblog.com/index.php?itemid=1702
.
He's got that right.
I think Condi's a Fem-Dom.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/09/nationals-l...
"John Yoo's complicity in establishing the policy that led to the torture of prisoners constitutes a war crime under the US War Crimes Act," said National Lawyers Guild President Marjorie Cohn.
Let us all hope and pray that Yoo along with his fellow criminals will finally make their way to the courtroom of the Hague.
By the way, Greetings!
OUCH! Great Idea, I think we also need to edit the uniforms they wear as well. I vote for something pretty, swingy, pink and short.
The gathering gloom
Watch lights fade
From every room
Bedsitter people
Look back and lament
Another day's useless
Energy spent
Impassioned lovers
Wrestle as one
Lonely man cries for love
And has none
New mother picks up
And suckles her son
Senior citizens
Wish they were young
Cold hearted orb
That rules the night
Removes the colours
From our sight
Red is gray and
Yellow white
But we decide
Which is right
And
Which is an Illusion
I agree that our media has now become a corporate run arm of their political aims.
I remember when the major networks used their NEWS programs as a Public Service? They used that slot as a way to actually GIVE BACK to the public at a profit loss for them.
I guess that concept is long gone...
WhERE DOES THAT LEAVE LARA LOGAN?
She makes me go vroooom!
I had no idea you were a Moody Blues fan......
http://www.alternet.org/story/66425/
BP
Affidavit: Girls had sex in polygamist temple. Court documents say 16-year-old already had four children
There would be no mercy, no lawyers, no appeals, no parole and no hope. On good days, and only with extremely good behavior, the inmates would get to be waterboarded. Most days would be far worse. This kind kind of obscene behavior does not get a free pass just because it is done it the name of a someone's god. I would loudly applaud Texas if they slapped these bastards in jail, threw away the key, and burned their damned temple to the ground and made a public park out of the property. This is not about freedom of religion. This is about the worse forms of child abuse. People can live in the 14th century if they choose to but they should not be allowed to take their children with them. 4 kids by age 16? Just why in the hell did Texas allow this to go on so long?
Surely, if I had a religion calling for human sacrifice, the law would have me in jail. I don't get it.
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/philipgraham/25...
Texas allowed it just as the states of Utah and Colorado allowed it and there are other pockets of them in other states and underage girls forced into marriage is the least of it. I recommend the book Under The Banner Of Heavan if you want to know more.
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Jon-K...
S_T: The vid? You are welcome. Anything for you. And the sunglasses are funnee.
JayR: Hell yes! We must raise our voice, no matter what.
I think we citizens have grown accustomed to no accountability. I don't think we (as in we citizens, collectively) expect the rule of law and would most probably grow bored with hearings, particularly if it messed with our tv program schedules.