AMERICAblog: Chuck Todd thinks this anti-McCain ad is "shameless." What do you think?
padruig
· 1 year ago
I think it rocks and I think that Mr. Todd needs to get over himself :)
fair winds, following seas ...
Dianne_in_DC
· 1 year ago
I really like Chuck Todd, but I don't see why he would label this "shameless". What's there to be ashamed of? Everyone with a child should be asking themselves if they should go to war for us.
hs8v
· 1 year ago
And if not her child serving in the military then whos? If you object to Iraq, say you object to Iraq and fight to end the war. To suggest that your own child is somehow too good or too important to serve implies that someone else's child was not. That is why this add is "shameless."
Iraq will end at some point and will no doubt be replaced by other conflicts in other places - some popular and some not, some long and some short. Nevertheless, when our elected leaders choose to use troops, someone has to put on the uniform and deploy.
redterror
· 1 year ago
Which is why a random Draft with no deferments, exceptions, or excuses is the way to go. You can bet your last dollar that if Jenna and not-Jenna had faced service in Iraq, instead of Julieta, Jose, Jefferson, Jim Bob, and Janie, there would have been no war in Iraq. That was Charlie Rangel's point a few years ago, and it is still valid.
vickif
· 1 year ago
I lost 3 uncles in World War 2, a brother in Korea, a first husband in VietNam, I will not loose my sons to this man made war created by Bush and McShame.
hs8v
· 1 year ago
It is certainly your sons' decision whether or not to serve, but I stand by my statement that this ad is hardly the right way to approach this topic. Until this war ends, sons and daughters will continue to be wounded or killed. I promise you that the parents of the soldiers deployed don't want to see anything happen to their children either. Any statement, expressed or implied, that someone's children are too important or too good to serve sends the wrong message to those already serving and detracts from the goal of ending the war.
mirth
· 1 year ago
"...detracts from the goal of ending the war."
What a load of horseshit.
If we want to stop illegal, immoral wars that only benefit corporations and which cause huge destruction there and here, then we'll stop giving them our children for fodder.
Delia
· 1 year ago
No. This is a war that should never have been fought. Our "selected" leaders chose to fight an aggressive war of choice and lied repeatedly about the reasons. No one should ever have fought in this war. That's the whole point. And I say this as someone who has a nephew is now in Iraq, lured into signing up by the recruiters that infest the high schools these days. Neither his parents nor any of the rest of our family believe in this war, and we only pray for his safe return.
gaiilonfong
· 1 year ago
Chuckie T. has become another ReTHUGlican shill. He is a good numbers cruncher nothing more, he should stick to that, he is getting way out of his league as far as his intelligence and capabilities
Psyche
· 1 year ago
Fully agree. I've been watching his evolution (devolution?). He's no longer neutral.
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
Chunk you are the one who is SHAMELESS. you send your kids to the war. GET THAT. infact why are you not fighting the war, shut up and take arms and fight the 100000000000 years war.
michaelt
· 1 year ago
i don't like it but i'm not sure why.
AnalyticalLiberal
· 1 year ago
I appreciate your unease, but I have a question: is this at least as honest and straightforward, on the one hand, as the disgusting and obscene ads by Saxby Chambliss that morphed Max Cleland's face into Osama bin Laden and the ad with the sexy blond in Tennessee whispering, "Harold, call me" ad on the other hand? Obviously, this Moveon.org ad is unsettling, but it is blunt in defining the actual and deadly effects of McCain's ludicrous position on war: stay in Iraq for 100 or even 1,000 years, AND that "there will be more wars." Whose position, McCain or Moveon, reflects the position of the vast majority of Americans? Politics can get ugly; the grotesque invasion and occupation of Iraq is an abomination. I see nothing wrong with using ugly politics -- without conceding that the Moveon ad IS ugly -- to address the real world effects of the Iraq abomination. What do you think?
dad
· 1 year ago
he can't have mine either
Shut the chuck up, Todd. (any [children] of your own?)
Eleanore
· 1 year ago
Great ad. And he can't have my grandson.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
i think the ad is magnificently devastating for John McWarMonger.
i'd like a planet-wide boycott by all human beings against war.
gumboman
· 1 year ago
This ad should be shown on every TV station in the country.
scytherius
· 1 year ago
Awesome!
Savage8862
· 1 year ago
Love It!!!
eliot99
· 1 year ago
Shameless? Hardly. People need to understand the real world implications of John McBush's endless war agenda.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I guess MoveOn.org is the new ACLU in this election. I'm proud to belong to both. I don't how many members the ACLU has, but MoveOn 3.2 MILLION. You're on the wrong side, Chuck Todd.
Your_Uncle_Bastard
· 1 year ago
Chuck Todd's manufactured outrage is shameless! Where's a pie thrower when you need one? /snark
BRAVO to MoveOn for an extremely concise and jarring statement on McSame's 100-year folly. I don't have kids, but if I did, there's no way in hell that doddering, ignorant fool would get his warmongering hands on them!!!
dichiara
· 1 year ago
Who bases her or his political opinions on what Chuck Todd thinks?
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
OK, just got back from the bait and tackle place. Purchased a telescopic fishing pole while I was there to get some red wigglers for my containers. Six containers of 25 each. I asked the guy, where are your 'red wigglers' and he said, "You mean red worms?" Am I the only one who still calls them that? Anyway, put them in the containers and let them go, breaking down the organics. Making the soil sweet. I've got the natural microbes, native black soldier bugs and now the worms. That soil is going to be so dark and rich. So I'm just going to rare back and see what happens...
buckguy
· 1 year ago
A bit sappy, but it hits the issue from a different perspective than other ads.
MichaelS
· 1 year ago
my only complaint is the ending is too quickly clipped -- the edit should have allowed the viewer to digest the point for a second, before going to the voiceover. It's a powerful point
c1
· 1 year ago
That was my one complaint about it as well. The second time didn't seem as clipped, luckily.
devis1
· 1 year ago
MSNBC needs to give some of their people a little time off.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
No, all the idiot yuppie pundits on cable and print just need to shut the fuck up and all of them stay out of this election. I'm so fucking sick of the yuppie fighting. I want peace and working together. So does everybody else, especially the generation now and mine.
c1
· 1 year ago
That puzzles me too, why Chuck Todd would say it's shameless. I think it's shameless that anyone's trying to chastise the anti-war message after all we've been thru already ... again.
I'm sending this to my friends with kids & encouraging them to share with others as well.
As for me, I don't have kids - But, that doesn't mean he can have my boyfriend or my brothers.
John McCain can choke on his Geritol if he thinks otherwise.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
Chuck Todd sound just like Jack Nicholson character in the movie, A Few Good Men..... "You can't handle the truth!"
Well, Guess what Chuck, You Can't handle the truth. Get over it.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
What's the difference between a "fighter" and a selfish pig? Guess it depends on what and who you're fighting for.
The MSM seems to use the term "fighter" far too loosely when it comes to McBush.
DAB
· 1 year ago
I don't like it, only for the simple reason that it could be construed as denigrating the service of our current military (or, more importantly, their parents' support for their service). I suppose they can see it as appealing to women voters, and making this a mother issue (along the lines of Eleanor Roosevelt's "if all the mothers of the world united, there'd be no more wars") but I'd have been more impressed if they'd used an Iraq war vet saying the same thing with his or her son or daughter. That, at least, would have been more palatable for a lot of voters. I don't see this ad doing anything to change anyone's mind and instead it just seems to appeal to people who already don't support McCain, but could further drive military support to him. I realize he's already well favored by military families, but any in-roads there could be very important, especially in the South.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
BRING BACK THE DRAFT! it will shut down the GOP for another fifty years. As a proud member of SDS in the sixties who demonstrated against the war in Vietnam, I pray that these assholes will bring back a draft. It would shut down the government in about ten minutes. It worked before. PLEASE you fucking assholes bring back the draft. Maybe that will wake up this moron nation from watching crap like "Dancing with the Stars" and other shit they soothe their brains on every night.
This ad is spot on and brilliant and brings home the point beautifully.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
A kid that was 13 years old when Bush's War started, would be serving in Iraq now.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
It's an odd election. You have someone who predates the yuppies and another who's sorta the gen-x now generation. No yuppie.
Õ¿Õ
· 1 year ago
Yuppies wil be known as the greatest squabbling generation.
gustavmahler
· 1 year ago
When will people realize that all these talking heads are corporate lackeys? They want their big salaries and Obama is threatening to raise their taxes. Just because there is Keith Olbermannn doesn't mean everything is OK. Todd, Russert, etc. they are tools to catapult the propaganda. Shameful, yeah right Chuckie, will your kid go to McSame's war?
roller
· 1 year ago
shameless? only in that the truth of the ad is a shameless (if not proud) contradiction of the m$m prejudicial narrative of THEIR cold and calculating meaning of what war is all about
jimpharo
· 1 year ago
It'd be nice to know what Chuck Todd's problem with this ad is...I don't know, but I suspect that he is reacting to the ad's author -- Moveon.org, which many MSM types think of as a kind of John Birch Society of the Left.
If this ad had come from "Concerned Parents of America," which was a legit group (I'm not advocating fake groups like the other side), I wonder if he'd have had the same reaction.
I agree it rocks -- though in the hands of professionals, it could be done even more powerfully...
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I'd advocate fake groups.
Just tell me where to send the money
Whatever it takes.
vegasbaby
· 1 year ago
shameless is 7 years of a lying, incompetent, and corrupt administration hell bent on lining their buddies pockets with as much war profit as possible
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
The MSM is still overing for all of the war criminals and profiteers and Chuck Todd is upset with an ad that highlights the realities of a prolonged war. What is shameless is that a mother with a small child would even have to consider her child being in the war in Iraq one day.
FatRat
· 1 year ago
The video doesn't go far enough. If McCain's 100 year attrition plan is to succeed; then we are talking about future unborn grandchildren. That is an utterly terrifying and vile proposition.
nashcountync
· 1 year ago
I think it's a great ad. And no, McSame, you can't have my grandson either.
osage
· 1 year ago
I am a Vietnam veteran. What is shameless to me is that the vast majority of human beings on this planet don't understand that war is "personal" to the people who live and die in them. Killing someone is "personal". Being in an environment day after day where people are trying to kill you is "personal". The death of your son or daughter, husband or wife, mother or father, grandson or grandaughter is "personal". And having them kill someone and then living with that for the rest of their lives is "personal". Killing and being killed in a war is just as "personal" as someone breaking into your home and you have to kill or be killed to protect yourself and your family. It's just as "personal" as being the victim of a drive-by shooting, a serial killer or a rock that falls from the heavens. In fact, they shouldn't call it "war" at all. They should call it "suicide". Wars wouldn't be fought if the people who send others to die took killing and being killed "personally". Personally, I won't allow my son or daughter to waste their lives in a war, because all the people who would send them to war are shamelessly impersonal.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
it's not just oil we're addicted to, it's war. and McBush is just another junkie. it's ok to have a military. just re-think war. who pays...who profits...who dies?
Unfortunately they don't adress the key issue. This ad actually sucks and I think it pisses off middle roaders (re: idiots). McCains point is if there are no deaths -ala korea, japan, germany, then we can stay idefinitely. That's the real issue - I have commented before about this - and the real issue is the rethugs want occupation and control. Although I agree with the idea of making wars personal, because that's what it is, and chicken-hawks and other idiots always seek to do the opposite.
Hannah
· 1 year ago
I agree, it rocks. And McCain: you can't have my 23 or 20 year old sons, either.
How ironic that a militaristic ad for McCain is playing above the box where I'm typing. Ugh.
vickif
· 1 year ago
No way on hell my sons are going into the service either. They are already working at their choice of employment and I don't want McCain or anyother war monger to mess up their lives. This video was so cool.
mirror
· 1 year ago
this add is right on.
It is what millions of parents like me are thinking. It's not tasteless - it is what we feel in our hearts.
I love this ad.
Is there a place to send money for them to run this specific ad?
I saw about :06 of Mikkka & Joe feign shrill shock at this ad before I unplugged the mourning shows...Don't these heads have a corpse to lick???
moreleesafer
· 1 year ago
I was talking to a family friend who has two sons aged 15 and 12. She says no way in hell is she sending her boys off to Iraq to fight George's war. she said "I'll put them in dresses and high heels for their military physical, if I have to."
I'm pretty sure she was serous.
jr
· 1 year ago
I hate Chuck Todd. Type his name into the search box at Media Matters. He was the biggest Rudy fanboy on the planet. He loves him some faux mavericks
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Good ad.
Tell Fat Goatee Boy to go fuck himself.
warsaw
· 1 year ago
Ah, of course Chuck Todd doesn't like it. He just got a big promotion from Russert, has gotten tons of peer approval and some are even pushing for him to be the new moderator of MTP. Chuck has grown noticeably more timid in the last two months. He can't force himself to make any statements that show a strong opinion, just like Tim. He's terrified of losing his new access, his new visibility, his new heft as the smart guy at NBC. His fear has made him cowardly. No wonder he thinks this ad is too rough. He's just like Tim, only with clearer arteries.
evie
· 1 year ago
Chuck Todd is having a tough week, so I'll give him a pass on this. But those kind of comments are exactly the kind he's shown restraint with in the past. It's the kind of comment that will make people turn on you.
And there is nothing remotely inappropriate about showing children to drive home the point of what war means. It's not abstract -- it means people's children are going into a country to kill others and potentially be killed themselves.
KansasModerate
· 1 year ago
I'm a Republican who cannot and will not vote for McCain. I supported Hillary Clinton and am now leaning toward Senator Obama but haven't made a commitment yet. It won't change my mind but I know a lot of undecided Republicans who lean toward Obama who could very well vote for McCain to protest the left's campaign to trash McCain.
The left is crossing the line and ought to pull back to legitimate issues before there's a sympathy vote backlash for McCain. I'm convinced some of Senator Clinton's support in the late primaries was part of a backlash against the left for its persistent trashing of Hillary.
KISSman
· 1 year ago
Sorry Chuck Todd -- you're wrong (and I like Chuck Todd).
Iraq is not a country where you see a civil future between America and the people in Iraq. There will always be folks there to cause our troop grief -- even if they are not native to Iraq. So if John McCain wants American troops to stay in Iraq for 100 no matter what the circumstances, this ad is completely justifiable.
stefanzo
· 1 year ago
It's a great ad, and points out what McCain and his cronies hope we forget: that war impacts real, living people. Not just some abstract entity called "The Military" but sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, brothers - and when these people are killed or maimed - in spite of McCain's "that's not important" - their entire families are devastated as well.
lauren1959
· 1 year ago
I like Chuck Todd but he is way off base, and if he doesn't think I feel exactly the same way about my 16 and 18 year old sons he just doesn't get it...
Delia
· 1 year ago
Wow, that's a powerful ad. My firstborn is now in his late twenties, but I can sure relate to that as a mom. My brother and his wife had their oldest son misled by the recruiters in his high school and he signed up as soon as he turned eighteen against their wishes. He's in Iraq right now, and it tears us all up. I don't know if Chuck Todd has kids or not. Or maybe he just belongs to the class where they don't even consider the possibility.
OneManComotion
· 1 year ago
It is brilliant. I can not believe Chuck Todd would find it shameless. This add hit me the way it was designed, personally, which is what we are missing in this country when it comes to our relationships with our politicians as well as the rest of the world. Chuck will have to explain here as I am a fan of his.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
Chuck Todd could probably learn something from Jeffrey Klein about journalism. This ad is a gentle rebuke of McCain and his actions, words, and morality. Jeffrey Klein is suggesting that there is a new comparison to Bush as an inept servicemember whose service was bought by rich parents: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-klein
Rab
· 1 year ago
Chuck Todd has his head up his ass like usual, its a good ad. The talking heads better get used to things not going the repug way any longer.
MG1
· 1 year ago
I think it's brilliant, forceful, personal and direct. Shameless? What is Todd talking about? What is shameless about this mother saying no, my son is not going to lose his life because you intend to continue stupid, bogus, endless wars for the benefit of your corporate cronies?
All Comments
fair winds, following seas ...
Iraq will end at some point and will no doubt be replaced by other conflicts in other places - some popular and some not, some long and some short. Nevertheless, when our elected leaders choose to use troops, someone has to put on the uniform and deploy.
What a load of horseshit.
If we want to stop illegal, immoral wars that only benefit corporations and which cause huge destruction there and here, then we'll stop giving them our children for fodder.
Shut the chuck up, Todd.
(any [children] of your own?)
i'd like a planet-wide boycott by all human beings against war.
BRAVO to MoveOn for an extremely concise and jarring statement on McSame's 100-year folly. I don't have kids, but if I did, there's no way in hell that doddering, ignorant fool would get his warmongering hands on them!!!
I'm sending this to my friends with kids & encouraging them to share with others as well.
As for me, I don't have kids - But, that doesn't mean he can have my boyfriend or my brothers.
John McCain can choke on his Geritol if he thinks otherwise.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Well,
Guess what Chuck, You Can't handle the truth.
Get over it.
The MSM seems to use the term "fighter" far too loosely when it comes to McBush.
This ad is spot on and brilliant and brings home the point beautifully.
If this ad had come from "Concerned Parents of America," which was a legit group (I'm not advocating fake groups like the other side), I wonder if he'd have had the same reaction.
I agree it rocks -- though in the hands of professionals, it could be done even more powerfully...
Just tell me where to send the money
Whatever it takes.
What is shameless is that a mother with a small child would even have to consider her child being in the war in Iraq one day.
and McBush is just another junkie.
it's ok to have a military. just re-think war.
who pays...who profits...who dies?
addictedtowar.com
How ironic that a militaristic ad for McCain is playing above the box where I'm typing. Ugh.
It is what millions of parents like me are thinking. It's not tasteless - it is what we feel in our hearts.
I love this ad.
Is there a place to send money for them to run this specific ad?
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/alexad.html?id=12...
I'm pretty sure she was serous.
Tell Fat Goatee Boy to go fuck himself.
And there is nothing remotely inappropriate about showing children to drive home the point of what war means. It's not abstract -- it means people's children are going into a country to kill others and potentially be killed themselves.
The left is crossing the line and ought to pull back to legitimate issues before there's a sympathy vote backlash for McCain. I'm convinced some of Senator Clinton's support in the late primaries was part of a backlash against the left for its persistent trashing of Hillary.
Iraq is not a country where you see a civil future between America and the people in Iraq. There will always be folks there to cause our troop grief -- even if they are not native to Iraq. So if John McCain wants American troops to stay in Iraq for 100 no matter what the circumstances, this ad is completely justifiable.
And I even teared up a little.
Fuck McCain.