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http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=9977
the roof, the roof...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080327/pl_nm/usa_p...
This is no longer desperation. It is bordering on politically suicidal.
Hi Nigel :)
You waskily wabbit! :)
Do they honestly think we have forgotten their past history or that we will ever believe them again.
BTW David Gregory and Race to the W.H. is on. Why, why, why do they keep throwing Joe Scarborough in our faces?
Democratic nomination
Obama 49%
Clinton 39%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/la...
The rules for Super Delegates are clear. Pelosi is voicing her OPINION on how they should vote. As such, she runs the risk of pissing people off and having them decide not to DONATE money to her anymore. Doesn't this happen all the time? Honestly Joe, how many times can you be shocked and outraged by everyday occuirrence. I truly expect tomorrow that there will be an alarming headline about the sun setting. :)
Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Hillary
The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life.
There is a sense of entitlement, of being more deserving than others based solely on their superiority. These symptoms, however, are a result of an underlying sense of inferiority and are often seen as overcompensation. Because of this, they are often envious and even angry of others who have more, receive more respect or attention, or otherwise steal away the spotlight.
Where is Howard Dean and why the total silence? I thought he handled the Michigan & Florida primary situation very well but, why the silence on the slash and burn policy by the Clinto campaign?
Hey, Comrade Klinton! We've had just about enough of "super" anyone picking and choosing for us the Democratic electorate. WE are going to decide the Democratic nominee, not "supers" in a smoke filled room. And those "supers" better get their collective asses in gear and follow us in casting their vote for the next POTUS Barack Obama.
If they don't, you and they, will have destroyed the Democratic Party and will have a profound negative impact on the future of the USSC and our nation as a whole.
Hillary, stop the lies and deception. Stop blackmailing the Democratic Party. Stop threatening to steal convention delegates. Just stop it all and step away before you become even more vile and despicable.
I cannot support a candidate willing to sacrifice the entire Democratic Party so that she and her husband Bill can move back into the White House. I want Obama to answer the phone at 3 AM.
you are right. That squinty eyed Anderson Cooper 360 devoted most of his show about the Rev. AGAIN!! I shut the tv off, and I won't watch his self-serving gossip show.
Also, only 22% want HRC to drop out (as opposed to 100% on this blog), the same number who think BO should. 62% "of the people" think both should stay.
Link to survey results: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/...
I think it's interesting that the BO fans here who claim to represent the "will of the people" are so hopelessly out of touch with said will.
Needed disclaimer: No I'm not a "Hillbot," but I do think the BO fanatics need to think more clearly if we are to avoid McCain in the White House (the real objective, folks).
You say the goal is to beat McCain. I agree, which is why it is important for us to move past the nomination. Hillary is talking about going to the convention and trying to turn delegates. That is NOT focusing on the real election. I don't think it would be wise to go to hillary and tell her or force her to drop out but someone does need to explain the facts to her and she needs to reach the conclusion that she can't win without losing. After that, she can drop out gracefully.
BO fans are illogical about HRC. They think she's an unreasoning monster, yet infinitely calculating. In the end she will make the right calculation. As a Democrat doing whatever, a damaged party is not in her interest.
I cannot support a candidate willing to sacrifice the entire Democratic Party so that she and her husband Bill can move back into the White House. I want Obama to answer the phone at 3 AM.
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on the other hand, it IS a nice house... and hillary didn't get to all the redecorating she wanted to do the first time... too busy being sent to those hostile war zones... errmm, with Chelsea.
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Of course, AIPAC won't publicize its donors, either...
I think it's interesting that the BO fans here who claim to represent the "will of the people" are so hopelessly out of touch with said will.
Needed disclaimer: No I'm not a "Hillbot," but I do think the BO fanatics need to think more clearly if we are to avoid McCain in the White House (the real objective, folks).
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I won't accuse you of being a hillbot... but answer this question.
would you or would you not agree that the "will of the people" is reflected by the popular vote?
If everyone had equal access to vote, in other words if we had primaries in each state--yes. But in this case--no. Caucuses are flawed (I'm in a caucus state), and this year we are screwed with no decent resolution for MI/FL (you can't disenfranchise 2 large states and claim to have the will of the people--those voters didn't screw up the process). And then there is the question of some states having open primaries and other closed. I don't think this process is democratic, it's like the will of the people in a fun house mirror. "One wo/man one vote" has no meaning in this process.
Job 2 after winning the WH in November need to be to fix this mess.
would you or would you not agree that the "will of the people" is reflected by the popular vote?
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By "people," he means Hillary's "Gang of 20"
Send Hillary to dodge bullets in Basra.
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according to mccain, its peaceful over there... chimpy should go.
Hillary only goes to dangerous places.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/27/153159/...
However, there were still some who were suspicious that she was only pandering for the Jewish vote and worked against her election. Here is their website from that era.
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/hillarSy.htm
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10692
Did I miss something somewhere? Obama made up the rule? What rule? Didn't know such a rule existed. I do believe Pelosi has stated the superdelegates should not overturn the will of the voters, now I don't see how that statement endorses either candidate.
it's not a real rule (that was a poor attempt sarcasm), but it is certainly BO dogma.
Another thing, someone tried to make the point that the SDs need to exercise independant judgement in choosing the nominee based on who would be the best for democrats. That's fine with me. Let's examine what would be best for the party. Backing and reinforcing the candidate who won most delegates as well as votes is the only way to go. To do otherwise will give the appearance of robbery and that will destroy the party not just this year but for many years to come. So yes, they need to use judgement. Good judgement.
No way the Superdelegates are going to run to Hillary.
They know the damage she'll do to candidates downticket, they know the damage the Clintons have always done to the party, and they know the damage supporting her will do to the party's long-term chances of building a coalition for the future.
(They also know she's hiding more dirt than Nixon.)
The Clintons are typhoid to the Democratic Party.
'Presidential'......well, that is if the president is Nixon."
He also wants to thank Hillary for bringing "peace" to Northern Ireland saying he "did not know that, before!"
I really don't think it is Obama dogma. For me it just makes sense otherwise why bother have anyone voting in any primary, just turn it over to the superdelegates. Pelosi has a good point, superdelegates should be very careful of overturning the will of the voters, be that Clinton or Obama.
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Dave, I will give you that... our election process is FUBAR.
it needs to be fixed, no matter who wins... it SHOULD be 'the will of the people', by popular vote.
the SD's were originally designed for that reason, to overthrow the 'will of the people' if the popular vote didn't align with the candidate that the party leaders wanted (read: if the candidate didn't go along with party leader's 'vision' of the direction of the party).
if you remember, there were riots because of that.
yes, she's justified to do what she's doing... technically. but ask yourself, it is good for the pary? or the party leaders.
its a bit shady for my tastes... and that's why I think she should drop out.
if the shoe were on the other foot, I'd want Obama to do the same.
in any case, I'll hold my nose and vote for her if she pulls off her coup... but so many people won't, and that ensures a victory for mccain.
which is, IMHO, what she really wants... she can wait four years to try again. Eight might be too long.
It's amazing how stupid they think we are..
How can you put the toothpaste back in the tube?..If it was the other way around it would be Carville that would be saying..Hey..rules are rules..
I am watching the same program. Hmmmm, so Clinton is advocating a credentials fight in August over Fl and MI. Now I don't seem to remember Clinton objecting to the DNC rules at the beginning of this nomination race, all of a sudden it matters to her that the votes don't count.
Obama did not offend Italian Americans.
YAWN ! ! ! !
For the past couple weeks, people (clinton and McCain staffers) have been searching all through Wright's past sermons. This is all they have left. It's called scraping the bottom of the barrel. The Wright thing is a dying issue. It will stick with conservatives who weren't going to vote Obama anyway so the damage is nonconsequetial.
Now what you got?
part of my comment:?
The point is, that Obama's Rev of 20 years has offended Jews, Italians, Whites, and promotes racial violence especially by honoring Farakahan and his like, and people are know by the Company they Keep. You best get back on the Hillary bandwagon, because this issue will be huge during the General Election run up.
Right, the numbers will be hurt during the General Election run up. Let's face facts Luna, the GOP has 'loaded guns' due to the Rev's cmments, and you haven't hreard thje last of them. Truth is, I don't give a damn....there's no difference between the three of them.
There is a Clinton Crime Family!
How do the Clinton Crime Family capos differ from those of the Bush Crime Family? Not so much.
Consequently, we are now faced with a situation in which the new crime family would be the same as the old crime family!
The Clintons must be stopped -- we can't afford another crime family in the White House.
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Here is the latest Pew Research Center polling on Obama and the Rev. Wright issue -- data that were gathered at the height of the firestorm – and, as you can see, the damage has been minimal and has failed to put a dent in Obama's overall approval-rating and support:
Obama Weathers the Wright Storm, Clinton Faces Credibility Problem
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?Re...
The subtitle is also interesting: “National Discontent Approaches 20-Year High, Bush Approval at 28%” – not good news for McCain.
Check out the graph on the left to see the polling results which demonstrate the percentages in the Pew sample of people who rated Obama’s handling of the Rev. Wright situation as “Excellent” or “Good” – even 33% of Republicans registered their approval:
http://people-press.org/
Among the various pollsters who abound these days, I trust the Pew Research Center most because they are completely neutral and have no political agenda other than to engage in well-conducted research which they publish in the public interest.
Finally, I think that with the war/occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan heating up and the economy melting down and gasoline spiking towards $4.00 per gallon, the public is not terribly concerned with Rev. Wright's sermons -- something about having more important things to worry about these days.
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PS....WOW, has my point value gone down.....LOL
"Meet the new boss..Same as the old boss"..
The Who
No one objected to the rules because it was assumed by all parties that MI/FL would be seated because someone would have a lopsided margin and the flawed results wouldn't matter. Bad assumption, clearly.
If you had been reading the Detroit News a week or so ago, you would know that at least in MI it was the BO campaign that didn't sign on. The DNC and HRC were on board. Without BO sign-off, the legislature adjourned.
I'd like to know it what way Obama balked at a MI revote. I for one thought it would be good for him to have one. At least that way he would get some votes and delegates. If hillary and the gang have their way, MI would count as it is and that leaves Obama with nothing.
I'm not saying FL and MI should count as is. But if they don't count or count by half or whatever, how can anyone claim that BO is the people's choice? You can't. It's a problem , and not just for HRC. I'll try to find a link - they have last week's stories behind a pay wall.
Here's the updated vote totals:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
So the argument that he isn't legitimate doesn't hold water when the facts show he is ahead no matter how it gets counted.
Why did everyone sign on to the promise to not allow the delegates in MI to be counted and Hillary was the only one to not withdraw her name?
Look I dont agree with the fact that Fla and Mi was exempt from having their delegatea seated..but they all agreed..Then when Hillary discovered that she did'nt become queen of the prom desided to change the agreement..
If it was up to me there would be a single primary day..everyone votes on the same day..Not only would it stop this kind of crap but it would stop the rebublican tricks of injecting themselves into democratic politics as well..
I fear the Clintons don't care if we have another 40 years being a minority party. If they cannot have it their way, then it's no way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FDuCfRaj5w&feat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrlYRWD_tnA&feat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EeGV-gKnIM&feat...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/o...
Obama wouldn't sign on to what? What was proposed?
My, going back 2000 years to feel offended???? I would venture you didn't like Barack Obama in the first place. And WHY all of the focus on somebody else's words who BTW is NOT running for any public office?
Why all the focus? Obama is running for POTUS. People are known by the folks they associate with.
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Hi Sarah.....actually, if the Rev keep spouting his racist remarks, and the press continues to equate Obama with the Rev, you may find yourself withHillary as your nomineee. What do you do if that happens?
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CDS... funny that the Rev. didn't seem to bother the clintons when they invited him to the White House... also funny that the MSM doesn't seem to be showing the pictures of Wright talking to bill clinton at the function he attended.
gee... you'd think they would've checked out his sermons before the invite, wouldn't you?
oh, that's right... nobody was bothering to look into his sermons then, he was just another guest of the clintons.
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We see what kind of mess it causes..
Will dissenters be safe under her rule? Will she treat them like George Bush does? Do we want 4 more years of this kind of attitude?
Why not ask Hillary why not leave Bill? After all Hillary once said, "I'm not some Tammy Wynette standing by my man."
But she did "stand by her man" when she realized he was her meal ticket for moving to New York and becoming an instant U.S. Senator, a meal ticket to try to gain the presidency by hook or crook.
CDS2 (any relation to the TROLL CDS?), I suspect you have never been a fan of Barack Obama and only trolling here for Hillary and her Republican friend, John McCain.
Even then, some Jews in New York City were suspicious of her pandering and put up this website in hopes of defeating her.
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/hillarSy.htm
http://www.amsterdamnews.org/News/article/artic...
I'm sure Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'reilly will try to keep Wright in the headlines (Farrakhan is a dead issue, he said he thought Obama would make a good president and that's it. Obama successfully distanced himself from that. Try again) If the republicans harp on it too much, it will backfire on them. Especially once video of Hagee gets more attention and how McCain SOUGHT his support. Obama didn't seek out Farrakhan's. Go ahead and keep beating the dead horse if you want, that never works so please have McCain do it.
The Rev. has actually told the truth! I can't figure out how people were offended, if they look at exactly what he said, most of it is true!! check it out, and you will see, that the truth is often ugly and harsh, but true nevertheless. Example, Jesus told the truth, people hated it, and they killed him for it. The real truth, not spin, always stirs up a lot of trouble, people have grandiose views of themselves, but in reality they filthy with sin.
sorry for the type errors.
Do you believe that the US Government is responsible for the airplanes being flown into the Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the field?
Good grief, I feel sorry for you if you believe that the above is true.
and makes mistakes, but a lot of what he said was true, which is the fact
that Jesus did not teach us to kill our enemies, and because we have killed
so many in all the wars, it would be presumptious for us to just assume that
God would bless America for these killings.. Remember, he was killed by
garlic-nosed Italians in public view, for telling the truth in his gospel.
The Japanese bombings would not have been approved of by Jesus, and he would
not have blessed America for doing so, maybe he would have dammed America!
You can't think that it pleased him to see this country's killings in any of
our wars, and that was what the pastor was preaching about.
This is why the church and state have to be kept separate, because as a
worldly nation, it would be almost impossible to completely govern by the
gospel, we could not ever go to war for example, and bombing Japan was good
for our country, but was not in line with the gospel.
This pastor represented the basic teachings of Christ, not the laws of our
land in his sermons, and actually there was a doc. on tv some years ago,
where the U.S. government did experiment on it's citizens with certain
drugs, without their permission, so who knows what all has gone on!?
Remember, he has had human worldly experiences that have influenced his
sermons, too. He is human and does make mistakes as we all do.
The way that Clinton deliberately made up a lie, and told it with such
sincerety, was shocking! I will never vote for her now. The Clintons have
acted shamefully, I started out supporting her, but when she became an
attack dog, I had to change my support. After she told this BIG lie, it was
the last straw!
This super-delegate votes are being pursued by the Clintons in order to get
their vote for her locked in, even if it means resorting to threating Nancy
Pelosi; which is BLACKMAIL!
She was worried about disenfranchising the Mi. and Fl. voters, but now it's
ok by her to disenfranchise ALL the voters! This letter to Pelosi, is the
same as blackmail to get the nomination! What on earth?? Didn't our soldiers
fight and die for our democracy and for the freedom to vote? How
UNPATRIOTIC is Hillary Clinton??. This act would nullify their deaths!!!!!!
The Clintons are self-serving and have proven they do not care about us or
our country, only about their own ambitions! She has proven herself.
Sbhdawn
I've watched the full sermons for each of the clips cable media and Faux news have played, and found that Rev. Wright's comments were not offensive when taken in context. In fact, the one receiving the most play is actually Rev. Wright summarizing what a Ambassador and Foreign Policicy expert Edward Peck had to say. The message Rev. Wright shared in that sermon was that the appropriate reaction 911 was self introspection, to look at and consider our own relationship wiht God. (please remember, he was speaking to a congregation - therefore they all believe in God.)
The faith footnote, as Rev. Wright called it, where he summarized Edward Peck's statements spoke American involvement and interference in sovereign nations, spoke to the military actions our government has taken in numerous countries, and the fall out from those actions. That message, whether heard from Mr. Peck or Rev. Wright carries a truth that many Americans prefer to pretend does not exist - but it does, it is relevant, and it NEEDS to be addressed. I find myself baffled by the number of American's who fail to realize that the American government both trained and put Saddam Hussein in power in an effort to secure American interests. At the time it was felt that someone else was dangerous to our militaristic and 'democratic' interests. What of Noriega, the Shaw, or any number of the many, many foreign dictators our government has supported, aided and / or trained. Do you not think our government, and by association we the people, have earned the enmity of countries and people the world around? Of course we have. Despise the act, but understand that Bin Laden made it very clear exactly why al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. on 9/11. As a country, and as the citizenry at risk, it is our moral obligation to step back and understand what has occurred historically to make that possible. That in no way undermines the necessity of condemning the terrorist act, but we do have to look at our part in the matter, and our government does hold one. Here's another way of looking at what one refers to offensive - being offended, or strongly irritated is generally a sign that we need to take a look at our own stuff, our own actions b/c the unsettling feelings associated typically indicate an uncomfortability with our own beliefs and actions.
If you are among the top 2% of Americans who currently receive the lion's share of the Bush tax cuts, then all I can say is, "Congratulations!" -- because you have enjoyed a halcyon-sweet and nectar-laden ride over the past seven years.
Alas, if you are in fact among that fortunate few at the top, Obama is likely to raise your taxes to Bill Clinton levels -- which, despite all the GOP belly-aching rhetoric, were actually modest increases -- but Hillary has stated that she plans to do the same.
So, that leaves you with John McCain -- and I must respectfully withhold my congratulations on that sad score.
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but so will Hillary.
The real problem comes from raising the taxes on Business. Business's are the only folks who create jobs. Take money away from them, and they will create fewer jobs.
I am happy to inform you that Obama will not raise your taxes or mine -- we are safe -- and he has gone on record on that score. When I have the time I will be happy to look for links to his statements on taxes.
Obama has also made clear that he does not intend to raise taxes on nine out of ten businesses, because he believes that small, medium-sized, and even large-local businesses are essential for a providing most of the jobs in this country and which contribute most to a robust economy.
If you are among the top 2% of Americans who have enjoyed massive Bush tax cuts over the past seven years--mostly huge tax cuts on dividends and capital gains rather than earned income--then Obama will raise your taxes back to Clintonian levels which were not all that high for people in that income bracket.
Also, if you are a giant oil company that has enjoyed the biggest profits in the history of the world over the past seven years--while doing nothing with those windfall profits and tax cuts to explore and find alternative sources of energy as they promised to do in return for such favorable treatment, including even the increasing of refining capacity which they haven't done--then prepare to give up those windfall tax cuts and pay the back the Treasury!
Obama has promised to lower taxes on the middle class and on small businesses while getting those at the top to pay their fair share as a demonstration of good citizenship. When people earn that much money--upwards of $250,000 per year-- they're not going to go broke returning to Bill Clinton tax levels -- and we had a stonger economy under Clinton than we have had under Bush and the GOPers.
Obama has also pledged to fix the Alternative Minimum Tax problem that really is hurting the middle-class more than any other taxpayers and threatens to take a larger bite unless we see action from congress and a fiscally-responsible president, and he has advocated raising the cap on Social Security contributions on single individuals earning $90,000 and beyond to fix any shortfall problems we may face in that program in the future.
I think that Obama might just be the candidate for you!
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You had better check on what real experience Hillary actually has, it seems she has lied about most of it!! She stood there and as sincere as possible told this made-up story, and had done it on 3 other occassions (showed the other 3 on tv, and it was her, telling the same story). She was not mistaken, no she literally made it all up, surely she would have not taken her daughter to a bullet flying zone, and if she had she would have remembered it, come on, you know she would have, that is something you don't forget!! You could never believe her if she was Pres. she lied with such sincerety! You had better really take another look at her REAL experience.