ClintonHater, honestly, do you know any self-respecting drag queen that would go on national television looking like that?
michaelt
· 1 year ago
you LOST. and you have nobody to blame.
GET OVER IT.
Bobby
· 1 year ago
How much more of this nonsense can we put up with? Give it up, Hillary! This isn't about you.
TampaZeke
· 1 year ago
These people are determined to set the women's movement and feminism back twenty years.
I wish they would stop connecting "women" and "feminists" with their temper tantrum.
There is NOTHING less feminist than pushing the concept that women should support a woman candidate just because she's a woman or the idea that a woman should be given a nomination that she didn't earn just because she's a woman or the meme that anyone who doesn't support a candidate who happens to be a woman is a misogynist.
I really wish these people would just go away and stop doing damage to Democrats, women and the country as a whole.
interlude
· 1 year ago
who is she? where is she from? when i google her name an obit from the 50s comes up. i can't find her on the msnbc website.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Sooner, rather than later, the leadership of the Party is going to have to declare, in no uncertain terms, Obama the nominee--otherwise, we might as well not even bother with an election in November and just hand McCain the Presidency.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
People might pay more respectful attention if basic reality testing skills were in evidence.
eliot99
· 1 year ago
It really doesn't matter after Tuesday. The obvious question is what will she do after Tuesday? There are no primary contests left. Will she continue to campaign as Obama clearly will? She seems to have 2 choices. Stop campaigning and appear to concede or continue to campaign. If she continues she will have to come up with money to do it. She will also be forced to campaign against McCain since the primary is over. The problem for her is that McCain will not be campaigning against her, which means reduced media coverage. She will have to make a choice and neither is a "win" situation.
AdrianBrowne
· 1 year ago
If they "get their way" Clinton still loses. The issue doesn't matter. They will reject ANY offer because that forces it to go all the way to the convention.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
At times like these, I long for Julie Andrews in The Sound of Music.
interlude
· 1 year ago
again i ask, who is "Aliida Brown?" who is she? where is she from?
LeeBurl
· 1 year ago
Odd that they weren't crying sexism when Sen. Clinton was supposed to be the inevitable nominee and she was outraising everyone.
And how she has the nerve to even talk about counting all the votes when her candidate was the only one on the ballot in MI.
Until Clinton supporters can address the inherent fairness of counting these two primaries as it stands and why Sen. Clinton's own team voted 12-0 in favor of rule to strip the delegates from these two states, they will not have earned one ounce of respect from me.
It's all well and good that Ms Brown wants a woman as the nominee, but I'll be damned if she's going force it down my throat, by usurping party rules to do it.
January20
· 1 year ago
OK. Let these women protest, not vote in the fall or vote for McCain. If McCain wins, I hope Ginsberg and Stewart retire, McCain appoint sScalia Jr. and Alito Jr. to the court and Roe v. Wade is overturned. Then these women will have shown 'em.
1billinnj2
· 1 year ago
i have said this many times that i do believe that hillary will not stop. she wants the democratic party to suffer. i think that there are flys walking around without wings. oy vey.
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
Ms Brown is one of those women who want a woman elected president so badly they will stop at nothing, NOTHING! to get Clinton elected. It makes no difference that Clinton ran a shabby campaign, is a liar and a cheat, doesn't care who she hurts to get her way, and is killing the chance of a woman being elected in the next 40 years. You know, I 'almost' feel sorry for Bill and can see why he looked out side of the home for his loving women. Hillary is one hateful person. Bill knows this more than anyone else. Pretty sure he did all of his womanizing in spite of Hillary because he knew she wouldn't do anything about it because she had bigger plans ahead. She thought she needed him. Boy, did he ever prove her wrong!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
People have every right to protest and generally protests are about righting a wrong. In this case, the basic premise for protesting is wrong, the protest is wrong because Hillary Clinton agreed to the rules without uttering a peep, now she wants to change the rules.
Clinton supporters are a breed all their own, they seem intent on putting a woman in the White House and collateral damage be damned.
lilybart
· 1 year ago
Its Pat!
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Who is the guy wearing lipstick in that still?
Gusboy
· 1 year ago
Just wrote the following email to WomenPac after reading the americablog post. (My cat is Gusboy, btw)
"Women Count Pac (womencountpac@gmail.com):
I just saw the clip of Allida Black on MSNBC, saying the fight over the Michigan and Florida delegates ought to go to the convention in August.
I am a white woman, over 55, with a Ph.D. from Harvard, who proudly voted for Hillary Clinton on February 5, and even had a letter published in the local paper defending Sen. Clinton from the sexist attacks on her following her tearing-up moment in New Hampshire prior to that primary.
But that has changed. The Clinton campaign has changed my mind, my stance, my support. Completely.
I cannot tell you how outraged and dismayed I am by the efforts of the Clinton campaign and groups like Women Count Pac to deny Senator Obama the nomination by any means possible, and to drag this primary to the convention -- which does nothing but weaken the Democratic Party's chances in November to defeat John McCain.
This 'count every vote' rant is disingenuous at best. Hillary Clinton fully supported the disciplining of the Florida and Michigan delegations back when they first went against party rules. Her campaign has since denied anything approaching compromise on seating those delegates -- her way or the highway -- because she doesn't like how it would effect her candidacy's now extremely marginal chances at winning the nomination. She continually moves the goalpost, as many have said.
If the Massachusetts primary were to be held today, after all that I have observed of how Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton, have conducted this campaign since Feb. 5 -- I would be proudly voting for Barack Obama instead. In fact, I had decided early on to not contribute money during the primary season, saving my contribution for the general election. Instead, I became so disillusioned by how the Clinton campaign -- and supporters such as your group -- has conducted itself that I have already now contributed several hundred dollars to Senator Obama's campaign.
You have to worry about the women -- feminists -- like myself who once supported Hillary Clinton and are now angered by her to the degree I am. If she did somehow now 'steal' the nomination from Obama, I would not give one red cent to her general campaign -- although I would give money directly to the DNC itself.
This crying of 'sexism' lately infuriates me. Sen. Clinton is running against a black man, for God's sake, in a country that is as racist as it is sexist. And she has run a disgusting campaign against him, using Republican tactics, praising McCain while attacking Obama, and so much more -- she long ago crossed the acceptable line for me. While, as a woman, I agree there HAS been sexism in news coverage, I also see that, hell, there's been racist coverage of Sen. Obama.
And let me also be clear about this: I do NOT see either Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton as racists, but I have been appalled at how the Clinton campaign has shamelessly exploited the racism that exists in this country. And to do so in the name of 'women' fighting 'sexism' -- no, no, no, and no! It is outrageous.
I agreed with Sen. Clinton back when she said the stakes were so high in this election, for this country and this world, given the unmitigated disaster that is the Bush/Cheney administration. In fact, the stakes are that high. The Clinton campaign needs to accept the decision on the Michigan/Florida delegates this coming Saturday, whatever it is. It needs to accept the delegate and superdelegate numbers as they are -- and yes, in both sets of numbers, Obama, not Clinton, is winning. After all the votes have been cast on June 3, after the bulk of the superdelegates have made their position clear, if the results remain in Sen. Obama's favor, then Sen. Clinton needs to do the right thing and concede the nomination.
To prolong this beyond next week, to whine incessantly about sexism while exploiting racism -- all of this hurts this country, AND ALSO, I strongly feel, TARNISHES THE CHANCES OF WOMEN RUNNING FOR HIGH OFFICE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. Hillary Clinton needs to play by the rules, let go of her own blind ego and ambition, and grow the hell up. She has alienated many Americans, including some who formerly supported her.
In fact, if this continues, I see myself as willing to join demonstrations against Clinton campaign headquarters in Massachusetts. If I lived near Washington D.C., you could count on me being there to demonstrate against your group this coming Saturday. I will certainly be there in spirit.
Remember, I consider myself a feminist and I voted for Sen. Clinton on Feb. 5.
Enough is enough!"
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Well said. Thank you.
TampaZeke
· 1 year ago
BRILLIANT.
Very well said.
We need more women/feminist to write letters like this so that it becomes clear to the cultist on the Clinton fringe that they do not speak for all women. Hell, they don't even speak for most Clinton supporters.
Gusboy
· 1 year ago
NOTE TO AMERICABLOG
The correct name is Allida Black, NOT Allida Brown!
RenoAnne
· 1 year ago
The man in that photo is wearing the entirely wrong shade of lipstick for his skin tone.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Is that dude with the lipstick John Candy?
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Give this well-dressed sow a pepperoni pizza and she'll be fine.
shell
· 1 year ago
Know what really makes me mad? The DEMAND by the Hillarybots that the votes be counted exactly as they were. Who cares if Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan? Who cares if many voters didn't even bother to vote for president because they knew (or at least they were assured) that it wouldn't count? I must say my regard for Wesley Clark was greatly diminished last night. He was on one of the talking head shows (Dan Abrams?) and stated, over and over, that every vote must be counted AS IS. Abrams said, "But Hillary was the only name there!" Clark just repeated his mantra, saying that if ALL votes weren't counted, it was against democracy -- what our country was founded on!
Yeah? Our country was founded on unfairness? One name on the ballot? Sounds like the old Soviet Union, to me.
Like I said, I was originally positive about his being on the Obama ticket. After what I saw last night, I say BULLSHIT. He isn't qualified to be, using that logic.
red_dwarf
· 1 year ago
Talk about bulldogs - this woman is mean lookin, just sayin.
Here's my take (aside form the fact that Clinton has proven to be able to lie with impunity) ----
Tens of thousands of voters in FL and MI were told that in the end "...their votes weren't going to count."
Ok, they said, those are the rules, so I'm gonna sit this one out and not vote.
Now tell me you're going to count every vote. Liars. Change the rules, change the rules, change the rules. And disenfranchise thousands who did not vote because they were told this time around it wouldn't matter. Good riddance Hillary, nice try - looks like Georgie took you down with him - and deservedly so!!!!
mirth
· 1 year ago
Harold Meyerson, executive editor of The American Prospect, writes this very good article about Saturday's DNC meeting:
"Clinton's supporters have every right to demonstrate on Saturday, of course. But their larger cause is neither democracy nor feminism; it's situational ethics. To insist otherwise is to degrade democracy and turn feminism into the last refuge of scoundrels."
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Yikes!
http://thumbnail.search.aolcdn.com/truveo/image...
GET OVER IT.
I wish they would stop connecting "women" and "feminists" with their temper tantrum.
There is NOTHING less feminist than pushing the concept that women should support a woman candidate just because she's a woman or the idea that a woman should be given a nomination that she didn't earn just because she's a woman or the meme that anyone who doesn't support a candidate who happens to be a woman is a misogynist.
I really wish these people would just go away and stop doing damage to Democrats, women and the country as a whole.
when i google her name an obit from the 50s comes up.
i can't find her on the msnbc website.
who is she? where is she from?
And how she has the nerve to even talk about counting all the votes when her candidate was the only one on the ballot in MI.
Until Clinton supporters can address the inherent fairness of counting these two primaries as it stands and why Sen. Clinton's own team voted 12-0 in favor of rule to strip the delegates from these two states, they will not have earned one ounce of respect from me.
It's all well and good that Ms Brown wants a woman as the nominee, but I'll be damned if she's going force it down my throat, by usurping party rules to do it.
Clinton supporters are a breed all their own, they seem intent on putting a woman in the White House and collateral damage be damned.
"Women Count Pac (womencountpac@gmail.com):
I just saw the clip of Allida Black on MSNBC, saying the fight over the Michigan and Florida delegates ought to go to the convention in August.
I am a white woman, over 55, with a Ph.D. from Harvard, who proudly voted for Hillary Clinton on February 5, and even had a letter published in the local paper defending Sen. Clinton from the sexist attacks on her following her tearing-up moment in New Hampshire prior to that primary.
But that has changed. The Clinton campaign has changed my mind, my stance, my support. Completely.
I cannot tell you how outraged and dismayed I am by the efforts of the Clinton campaign and groups like Women Count Pac to deny Senator Obama the nomination by any means possible, and to drag this primary to the convention -- which does nothing but weaken the Democratic Party's chances in November to defeat John McCain.
This 'count every vote' rant is disingenuous at best. Hillary Clinton fully supported the disciplining of the Florida and Michigan delegations back when they first went against party rules. Her campaign has since denied anything approaching compromise on seating those delegates -- her way or the highway -- because she doesn't like how it would effect her candidacy's now extremely marginal chances at winning the nomination. She continually moves the goalpost, as many have said.
If the Massachusetts primary were to be held today, after all that I have observed of how Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton, have conducted this campaign since Feb. 5 -- I would be proudly voting for Barack Obama instead. In fact, I had decided early on to not contribute money during the primary season, saving my contribution for the general election. Instead, I became so disillusioned by how the Clinton campaign -- and supporters such as your group -- has conducted itself that I have already now contributed several hundred dollars to Senator Obama's campaign.
You have to worry about the women -- feminists -- like myself who once supported Hillary Clinton and are now angered by her to the degree I am. If she did somehow now 'steal' the nomination from Obama, I would not give one red cent to her general campaign -- although I would give money directly to the DNC itself.
This crying of 'sexism' lately infuriates me. Sen. Clinton is running against a black man, for God's sake, in a country that is as racist as it is sexist. And she has run a disgusting campaign against him, using Republican tactics, praising McCain while attacking Obama, and so much more -- she long ago crossed the acceptable line for me. While, as a woman, I agree there HAS been sexism in news coverage, I also see that, hell, there's been racist coverage of Sen. Obama.
And let me also be clear about this: I do NOT see either Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton as racists, but I have been appalled at how the Clinton campaign has shamelessly exploited the racism that exists in this country. And to do so in the name of 'women' fighting 'sexism' -- no, no, no, and no! It is outrageous.
I agreed with Sen. Clinton back when she said the stakes were so high in this election, for this country and this world, given the unmitigated disaster that is the Bush/Cheney administration. In fact, the stakes are that high. The Clinton campaign needs to accept the decision on the Michigan/Florida delegates this coming Saturday, whatever it is. It needs to accept the delegate and superdelegate numbers as they are -- and yes, in both sets of numbers, Obama, not Clinton, is winning. After all the votes have been cast on June 3, after the bulk of the superdelegates have made their position clear, if the results remain in Sen. Obama's favor, then Sen. Clinton needs to do the right thing and concede the nomination.
To prolong this beyond next week, to whine incessantly about sexism while exploiting racism -- all of this hurts this country, AND ALSO, I strongly feel, TARNISHES THE CHANCES OF WOMEN RUNNING FOR HIGH OFFICE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. Hillary Clinton needs to play by the rules, let go of her own blind ego and ambition, and grow the hell up. She has alienated many Americans, including some who formerly supported her.
In fact, if this continues, I see myself as willing to join demonstrations against Clinton campaign headquarters in Massachusetts. If I lived near Washington D.C., you could count on me being there to demonstrate against your group this coming Saturday. I will certainly be there in spirit.
Remember, I consider myself a feminist and I voted for Sen. Clinton on Feb. 5.
Enough is enough!"
Very well said.
We need more women/feminist to write letters like this so that it becomes clear to the cultist on the Clinton fringe that they do not speak for all women. Hell, they don't even speak for most Clinton supporters.
The correct name is Allida Black, NOT Allida Brown!
Yeah? Our country was founded on unfairness? One name on the ballot? Sounds like the old Soviet Union, to me.
Like I said, I was originally positive about his being on the Obama ticket. After what I saw last night, I say BULLSHIT. He isn't qualified to be, using that logic.
Here's my take (aside form the fact that Clinton has proven to be able to lie with impunity) ----
Tens of thousands of voters in FL and MI were told that in the end "...their votes weren't going to count."
Ok, they said, those are the rules, so I'm gonna sit this one out and not vote.
Now tell me you're going to count every vote. Liars. Change the rules, change the rules, change the rules. And disenfranchise thousands who did not vote because they were told this time around it wouldn't matter. Good riddance Hillary, nice try - looks like Georgie took you down with him - and deservedly so!!!!
Clinton's Two-State Two-Step
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=cli...
He concludes:
"Clinton's supporters have every right to demonstrate on Saturday, of course. But their larger cause is neither democracy nor feminism; it's situational ethics. To insist otherwise is to degrade democracy and turn feminism into the last refuge of scoundrels."