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AMERICAblog: Clinton delivers GOP attack against Obama

  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    The only Americans that are NOT bitter are the Salon Democrats and the $5 million dollar per year crowd, which would be Chris Matthews and friends. They just don't get it. WE ARE BITTER! Bitter at the inequality. Try as they might to turn this back on Obama, it just makes Obama look better to the average, middle class voter. Yea, we get it. The media, Republicans and Republican enablers like the Clinton campaign, are trying to make this silly little supposed gaffe, Obama's "Dean Scream." Unfortunately, for the 5 mill and Salon Democrat crowd, it ain't working... its actually making Hillary and Mr. McGoo look even more out of touch with average Americans. That should be the message we continue to push, as well. We should NARRATE the reality that Obama said what is on MOST OF OUR MINDS and he touched a nerve with the "elites." Tough crap - they better get used to the cold hard reality that America wants change, and change is Obama.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    MSM narration, "Please, please, PLEASE let this latest silly mispoken message change your mind about Obama. You see, if you don't change your mind, then we might not get thousands of tax cuts and corporate welfare under Mr. McGoo! PLEASE, change your mind and vote for Mr. McGoo, or go with Hillary so we can beat her in the fall!"
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    What Obama said versus lying about sniper fire in Bosnie or even worse, CRIMINALILITY regarding campaign finance law? WHY, lets clamor, scream and have 24/7 coverage over what Obama said... WHAT A JOKE!
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    I wonder if the family of the woman that Hillary keeps talking about who was refused medical treatment from a hospital for $100 dollars that lost her baby and later died, I just wonder how bitter her family is?.
    There is a serious disconnect with Hillary, she really has no understanding of real Americans.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    OT

    Just cruising the news and came across this. A bomb in Iran. Not much information yet but let us all hope it was more an internal upheaval rather than an outside force.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7344780.stm
  • sixties · 1 year ago
    I am bitter. Lost my good paying job in 04 at age 61 when company relocated to Mexico. Found another one, low paying, but they did offer insurance. Plan to work till 09 then retire (I hope). Repeat, I am bitter, about the "free" trade, the Iraqi war, the corruption of Bush et al, etc. I've been a democrat all my life. Could Hillary be doing this stuff because she knows she isn't going to get elected. SO, She will help McCain get elected, and she can run again in 2012. I know it sounds crazy. But why else would she be throwing this stuff at Obama. I am an "older" female who supports Barack Obama.
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
    please,please,please,please,can this desperate OLD HOUSEWIFE...go away????
  • winegeek · 1 year ago
    The gloves need to come off.. Clinton has opened the door for Obama to ask her about the Colombian conflict of interest. She speaks out against it but has personally profited from her husband's paid speeches in support of it.

    Come on now.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    CNN described Obama campaign as having this particular controversy "swirling around Obama."

    Yes, McCain broke the law regarding campaign finance law.
    Hillary flat out lied about being fired upon in Bosnia to improve her commander-in-chief bona fides.

    There is "controversy swirling Obama" like some kind of media tornado because he described bitter and frustrated voters who have lost their jobs. He described them in a clumsy way, and EVERYONE in the media is gnashing their friggin' teeth.

    Our media is truly a joke.

    I want to hear more about Mr. McGoo breaking campaign finance laws and why he feels Mr. Straight Talk is immune from an issue he championed.

    I also want Hillary and Bill to successfully defend the Bosnia sniper fire lie before the media wades into the non-issue of Obama clumsily describing the VERY BITTER AMERICAN VOTER!!!
  • paulko · 1 year ago
    When we heard her last night use his speech against him, my partner said "that b*tch!" She is becoming a sad tired old women.....earlier I could have easily had either of them for president but now I am very actively campaigning for Obama. I wish she and her husband would just go away!
  • Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago
    I hate to say it, but Obama will have to do more than what he's already done to make this issue go away. I grew up in PA, and I know what Obama's statements sound like.

    Imagine if Obama had said the following:

    You go into these suburbs and you can feel the fear.

    And it’s not surprising then they get fearful, they cling to metal detectors or atheism or illegal alien housekeepers or outsourcing jobs as a way to explain their frustrations.

    It sounds the same way to small-town Pennsylvanians.

    I'll clue you in, bitter Pennsylvanians don't give a shit that they are bitter or that Obama called them bitter. But

    - Obama painted small-town Pennsylvanians as pro-gun, religious, xenophobic isolationists, and that won't play well with those who aren't one of those things.

    - I'm not sure about isolationist or xenophobic, but a lot of Pennsylvania *is* religious or pro-gun.

    Obama is going to have to do more in order to weather this. Specifically, he's going to have to explain that he isn't anti-gun, and he isn't anti-religion.

    And given how it looks like District of Columbia v. Heller is going, he'd better not be anti-gun.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    If stating a fact of life for millions of rural Americans becomes a political liability, then our country is truly lost! And on top of this, my state wants to increase the beer tax, 1,500 percent. Ouch! People are beyond bitter. Anyone know a good recipe for making moonshine? ;-)
    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8888028?source=rss
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch
    Oh the bitch is back
    Stone cold sober as a matter of fact
    I can bitch, I can bitch
    `Cause I'm better than you
    It's the way that I move
    The things that I do

    I entertain by picking brains
    Sell my soul by dropping names
    I don't like those, my God, what's that
    Oh it's full of nasty habits when the bitch gets back
  • paulko · 1 year ago
    Go to YouTube and listen to his speech today. He makes perfect sense explaining what he said last week.
    It will go away........Americans have short retention spans and are generally pretty stupid.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    5 mil is not so much as it used to be in those circles, i suspect. howard stern makes 100mil/yr
  • anna5belle · 1 year ago
    ....and to say nothing of all the people who DO NOT VOTE AT ALL....Hmmmm, what happens after bitterness, which takes a lot of energy! APATHY!!!
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Hillary is so desperate. Her campaign ends in a few weeks. The only people upset about Obama's "bitter" comment are bitter people like Hillary and McCain. The truth hurts. Feel our pain, biotch! ;-)
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    "Know them by the company they keep"
    McCain. Lieberman. And every other right-wing loon she can get her grubby paws on

    News: For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

    It was an elegant example of the Clinton style, a rhetorical maneuver subtle, bold, and banal all at once. During a Democratic candidate forum in June, hosted by the liberal evangelical group Sojourners, Hillary Clinton fielded a softball query about Bill's infidelity: How had her faith gotten her through the Lewinsky scandal?

    After a glancing shot at Republican "pharisees," Clinton explained that, of course, her "very serious" grounding in faith had helped her weather the affair. But she had also relied on the "extended faith family" that came to her aid, "people whom I knew who were literally praying for me in prayer chains, who were prayer warriors for me."

    Such references to spiritual warfare—prayer as battle against Satan, evil, and sin—might seem like heavy evangelical rhetoric for the senator from New York, but they went over well with the Sojourners audience, as did her call to "inject faith into policy." It was language that recalled Clinton's Jesus moment a year earlier, when she'd summoned the Bible to decry a Republican anti-immigrant initiative that she said would "criminalize the good Samaritan...and even Jesus himself." Liberal Christians crowed ("Hillary Clinton Shows the Way Democrats Can Use the Bible," declared a blogger at TPMCafe) while conservative pundits cried foul, accusing Clinton of scoring points with a faith not really her own.

    In fact, Clinton's God talk is more complicated—and more deeply rooted—than either fans or foes would have it, a revelation not just of her determination to out-Jesus the gop, but of the powerful religious strand in her own politics. Over the past year, we've interviewed dozens of Clinton's friends, mentors, and pastors about her faith, her politics, and how each shapes the other. And while media reports tend to characterize Clinton's subtle recalibration of tone and style as part of the Democrats' broader move to recapture the terrain of "moral values," those who know her say there's far more to it than that.

    Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."
    http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09...
  • feminist50 · 1 year ago
    Hillary Clinton is a shameless, manipulative, lying and yes a bitter, elite woman who saw her hopes of a coronation destroyed. She the one withe the baggage of the failed healthcare reform, travelgate, filegate, Bosnia sniper fire LIE, the Mark Penn Colombia free trade talks and the greatest one of all her husband Bill making $800,000 to promote the Free trade deal that she apparently opposes has the audacity to twist the truth about what Obama said to something totally unrecognizable. She is a completely amoral and unscrpulous woman, Haven't people said that she is a congenital liar, she lies with such ease and she has a difficult relationship withe the truth.
  • bobski · 1 year ago
    Truth hurts, eh?

    I used to read you regularly, John, before you ODed on the Kool-Aid.

    Pity.
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Clinton surrogate Sen. Evan Bayh said Obama's comments were something superdelegates and voters should think about as they decide whom to support.

    And trying to smear Senator Obama today, Senator Clinton is caught in another lie:

    Today: Senator Clinton believes 2nd Amendment is a matter of Constitutional rights
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/...
    1999: Hillary Clinton Appeals For Gun Control
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    Pontiff not attending dinner in his honor, White House says
    --

    The White House has scheduled a dinner next week in honor of Pope Benedict XVI's first visit to the United States, but one guest will be conspicuously absent from the proceedings: the pope himself.

    There are no competing events listed on the pope's schedule, and the White House was unable to explain Benedict's absence from the dinner.
    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pope_to_skip_Whit...
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    SINGING TROLL,

    Pope Benedict XVI knows a war criminal when he sees one. LOL
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7576505/
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
    It has become evident that the Clinton camp is hell bent on getting the nomination. Folks, it's now time to start asking them the serious question, who do they answer too? The corporations of the united states, or the people? She is going to destroy the Democratic party come hell or high water. I fear she is the mole in the party ,bent on fracturing it, bent on bringing it to its knees. This Convention will be one to remember, trust and believe that!

    If the party is fractured come Convention time, who will be the dark horse, the Savior? Who will have the balls to take this on, Gore?? Bloomberg?? Take your pick....
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    All I want is something special,
    And you can't give it to me,
    And all you do is lie to me,
    'Cause you're a -liar,
    liar
    liar.

    I will run, I will fight,
    I will take you through the night
    lie, lie, liar,
    I will run, I will fight,
    I will take you through the night
    lie, lie, liar..

    I'll fight you, I'll fight you
    I'm fighing you
    Liar, liar, liar
    You know you're a liar,
    Liar...
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    Hillary's getting her lines from rush limpballs these days.
    can a guest host stint be far behind?
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    Why Gov. Bill Richardson didn't endorse Clinton
    Shari Vialpando / Associated Press
    Gov. Bill Richardson, shown here in New Mexico on Tuesday, has drawn criticism from supporters of Bill and Hillary Clinton for endorsing Sen. Barack Obama. "I was loyal," Richardson says. "But I don't think that loyalty is transferable to his wife.... You don't transfer loyalty to a dynasty."
    The New Mexico governor says he was dismayed by pressure from the Clinton camp, and impressed by Obama's optimism. Besides, 'you don't transfer loyalty to a dynasty.'
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/campaign08...
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    As you'll answer it, take heed
    This Slave commit no Violence upon
    Himself. I've been deceiv'd. The Publick Safety
    Requires he should be more confin'd; and none,
    No not the Princes self, permitted to
    Confer with him. I'll quit you to the King.
    Vile and ingrate! too late thou shalt repent
    The base Injustice thou hast done my Love:
    Yes, thou shalt know, spite of thy past Distress,
    And all those Ills which thou so long hast mourn'd;
    Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd,
    Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd
  • SarainKC · 1 year ago
    Once we rid ourselves of Ms Hillary in the Primary and after the General is over, there needs to be concerted effort to dethrone her from her NY Senate seat. That bitch has shown she will do whatever it takes to discredit Obama. I am convinced she is Lieberman in drag.
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
    SarainKC Today 05:08 PM

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    Not so sure it will be that easy, I envision a big fight, its not gonna be pretty... which begs the question: who is setting up the DEM party for this fatal mistake???
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
    Speaking of the corporations, take a look at this list of the Oligrachy's pawns....

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/masters/200...
  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    Bill Clinton totally gets Obama's "bitter" true comment.

    Video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYi_qNWdjgw
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Also stated in an earlier thread, Hillary is fucking delusional!

    Everyone these days is so happy with her Iraq war vote, so content with an ever intrusive government under her tenure that spies on Americans without warrants at will while she looks the other way, so satisfied with Americans engaging in torture abroad, so proud that American Ivy league educated government lawyers (Woo should be treated like Mussolini, assuming the buzzards would pick at this fat satisfied smug turd's rotting flesh) writing and actually agruing that the 4th Amendment does not apply on our shores as it relates to the military, happy that the FBI quizzes jurors that deadlocked in the Wecht case, happy with her Bankruptcy vote, happy with her NAFTA support, happy with her affiliation on the Board with Wal-Mart, happy that Mark Penn is still alive, proud of her lying angry unscrupulous redneck husband, happy that taxpayers dollars are flowing to rescue irresponsible and poorly run private companies like Bear Strearns, happy that their CEOs make millions, if not billions, so very satisfied are we with the current state of our country. What a privileged DC insider blind idiot Hillary is.

    It is all so nice these days and we are all so happy. Pie in the sky by and by.
  • mmedefarge · 1 year ago
    Hillary seems to belong to the only religion in the world where it is not a sin to tell a lie: Clintonism.

    What amazes me is that she takes the truths that Obama speaks and tries to turn them into liabilities. It always backfires on her, but she doesn't seem to learn.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Hillary is saying the same thing Sean Hannity said last night. She will always be a Goldwater girl
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    Hillary's "if I can't have it, neither can you" attitude is getting stale.

    She is helping the republicans have a two prong attack on Obama.
    Obama has to fight off, not only the vile republican attacks, but also the
    gutter tactics of the Clintonites. What a despicable woman.
    She knows she is spoiling Obama and the party's chances this fall,
    but damn it, she does not care.
    I hope this whole thing backfires on her, and if by some awful chance
    McCain is the next President, we know who to thank, don't we?
    She is a major league Spoiler.
  • Mollie · 1 year ago
    Here's a new site to go to seeing Hillary wants to attack Obama. Go to http://www.paulvclinton.com/Latest
    This is Hillary's trial that is coming up and is going ot go public. It started April 8th
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    I knew she'd eventually stoop to running on "God, Gays and Guns."
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    Americans will in the next two years have to reach some ugly decisions---how do you decide between food and gas to get to work----how do you decide between fixing the roof and fixing your kids teeth---how do you decide between buy fuel oil and getting a check up---how do you decide between going hungry and holding up a grocery store. Is this country really ready for depression. I think not, and the people we elected to represent us are all charlatans. All of them can look good on tv there is nothing riding on their decisions except our futures.
    No we aren't bitter, we are fucking pissed off. We are pissed off that these politicians who are multi millionaires sit back and decide we don't need healthcare, a break on taxes, a break on college tuition. They continue to tell us we need to pull ourselves up and enjoy the freedom in the U.S. Meanwhile they are sitting with their lobbyist du jour, having a t-bone steak, tucking the envelope of cash in their jacket and wondering what the poor people are doing tonite--the answer "who gives a shit". Just wait you bastards, your time is coming eventually their will be an uprising and you will need more than a diaper or a toe tap or a bribe to protect your sweet asses.
  • FreedomFriend · 1 year ago
    Now Hillary is claiming to be a hunter who loves to knock back a few shots of whiskey, some pizza, and some beer on a Saturday night. The 109 Million Dollar Woman will stoop to any level.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/12/hillar...
    The photos are too much:
    http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/18372/thum...

    In the late 1980s, while Hillary was living here....
    http://www.arkansasgovernorsmansion.com/newsroo...
    ...Obama was working here.
    http://www.marilyncarolyn.com/chitown.jpg

    Who's out of touch with working class voters?
  • moreleesafer · 1 year ago
    I am so pissed at Hillary. I'm going to go donate more money to Obama.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Hillary is a hopelessly desperate candidate that will soon fail and she knows it. Clinton will try anything, especially since the voters have rejected her.
  • Corpsman1 · 1 year ago
    Within the last week or so, I have received graphics and emails labeling Obama as an "elitist snob." Such labels are reminiscent of my growing up in the segregated South. These veiled attempts to diminish Obama's message of hope and inclusion and are just as bigoted as calling a black person an "uppity ni**er" who had better "learn his/her place." Make no mistake about it, there is no difference in these two sets of labels -- the latter only shows, if anything, poorly camouflaged deference to Obama's Harvard law degree (which seemingly/undoubtedly really gets under the skin of racist bigots). Don't fall for this attempt to muddy what I consider to be our best hope to move forward and depart from the hate and partisanship of the past.

    I went to hear Obama speak at the Salem Armory on Good Friday. I sat with a former Green Beret officer, a Vietnam era veteran same as me, and he told me his job had been to evaluate soldiers and identify the ones who exhibited leadership ability and shepherd them into positions of leadership and authority. He told me he saw a rare package in Obama, a man with an abundance of all the leadership attributes and qualities which he sought in his troops.

    We talked too, of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's inflammatory comments about race and the subsequent response by Obama.

    I myself had grown up in a bigoted household during segregation. Talk about culture shock: me, a 10-year old white kid in 1957 who had gone to school with blacks in Kansas all my life up to that point. For that reason, and because I questioned the logic behind segregation, I was called "ni**er-lover" in Texas where we'd moved. Name-calling and fist fights frequently ensued.

    After some time in Texas, even my Dad began to use the "n-word" when referring to blacks. It made me wince, and later in life, I called him on it, asking why he'd started to use such ugly language. But Dad's only response was silence.

    I fully understand Obama's reaction to the Rev. Wright's words: being disappointed, then strongly disavowing the divisiveness of the words, yet still loving the person all the same. It is the quandary I felt with Dad. To this day, almost two years after Dad's passing, I don't know if his bigotry towards people of color evolved as a result of the Alzheimer's that finally took his life, or if it is indeed indicative of the very real, virulent and infectious nature of racism in all its forms.

    Ultimately, it is up to those who feel such racism within themselves to go deep within and find the root cause of those feelings of hatred and fear and address them ruthlessly at the point of origin. The questions are difficult; the answers, if they come at all, may be hard to interpret or act upon. But that doesn't mean we should not ask the questions at all. Are racism and bigotry the result of a flawed society too tolerant of such things, or are the hateful words and feelings just passed down from peers or elders, without question -- not unlike growing up to become a member of the same faith as our parents, or subscribing to the same political party as ones parents?

    I think it took a high degree of courage on Obama's part to address the race issue and Rev. Wright's comments head on as he did. We have seen this courage and rock-steady purpose and determination in Obama before: when he eschewed high-paying attorney positions after Harvard to help the less fortunate, and there is, of course, the courage he first displayed when he spoke against the Iraq invasion when such sentiment was not popular in the wake of 9/11.

    I agree with the Green Beret officer: Obama is indeed a "rare package," and ready to lead our nation as president.