just what we need. yet another delusional narcissist.
bullitt
· 1 year ago
The Democrats better dump Hillary, nominate Al Gore and use Obama as a vice-president.........and don't give me this crap about Obama worked hard....................... Al Gore was screwed and he deserves the position. Remember.............there's bad blood between Clinton/Obama supporters.......we need a neutral candidate to unite the Democrats............I'm voting for Al Gore............
Bub
· 1 year ago
Obama's already won it. He won it fair and square. There's not point in him stepping aside for Gore. Hillary's supporters can cool their heals, or she can run a third party campaign. Obama will win the General, no matter what.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Did Obama get the required 2025 delegates?
Obama will not win the GE. Mark it down.
Bub
· 1 year ago
Reminiscent of Hitler's bunker. Giving orders to phantom divisions and calling for a scorched earth policy against his own. At this point there's no way she can win. The Michigan and Florida delegations have become for her her phantom divisions. It doesn't matter anymore. It's all over but for the screaming, wailing and the gnashing of teeth.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
It's hard to be objective when you're Divine.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Clinton can stay uin the raced if she so desires. Clinton's remaining in the race does however indicate her tenacity, selfishness and inability to comprehend and maturely deal with reality.
Clinton and her followers actually believe, just because the rules do not prohibit that the superdelegates thwarting the will of the people and stealing the election from Obama (assuming he has a pledged delegate kead and a popular vote lead, not counting Florida and Michigan unless there is a revote) is ok. Clinton is delusional and cannot face reality.
Clinton and her followers actually believe that they can get the Florida and Michigan results counted, even though Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan and did not campapign in Florida. Clinton is delusional and cannot face reality.
Clinton and her followers actually believe that by styaying in the race that is over that Clinton can somehow win. Clinton is delusional and cannot face reality.
The truth of Clinton's defeat surrounds her, but she refuses to see. So when the already present failure of her campaign slaps Clinton square in the face come Denver she cannot delude herself and the few that still blindly contribute. The awakening will not be pretty.
Speaker Pelosi made that comment yesterday. Perhaps Clinton hasn't checked her inbox today. :-)
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
If they try to stop people from voting, we Hillary supporters know what to do in November.
dula
· 1 year ago
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Symptoms The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life.
There is a sense of entitlement, of being more deserving than others based solely on their superiority. These symptoms, however, are a result of an underlying sense of inferiority and are often seen as overcompensation. Because of this, they are often envious and even angry of others who have more, receive more respect or attention, or otherwise steal away the spotlight.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
This rich coming from the campaign and his majesty mouth "I am what we have been waiting for".
I can't wait for President McCain.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
You've been waiting for President McCain all year.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
I like McCain. He was my second choice from the very beginning.
McCain may win. But one thing is for certain, it will not be President Clinton in 2008. Why? Because people do not like her. She is phony, part of the problem and does not know when to leave. She is finished.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
And it won't be President Obama either.
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton won't stop until Roe Vs. Wade is overturned by McCain's new rapture bunny court
evie
· 1 year ago
I'm quite seriously beginning to brace myself for a loss this fall. The Clintons are threatening all of us about going to the convention, but whether she does or does not, it's clear she has no serious intention of endorsing Obama -- that is, really getting behind him in a way that will be necessary to keep her diehard supporters in the fold. Obama may still be able to pull off a win against McCain, but every day this primary goes on (and esp, every day past June 3), we become more and more of a longshot for the win.
btw - just signed up for an account for the first time. Registration is typically a somewhat laborious process (and at TPM, it's an utter joke). Thank you for making it truly simple.
notanumber
· 1 year ago
She is nuts. People must stop funding HRC!
kiki
· 1 year ago
Hillary can't and hasn't even answered the question, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO PUT THE MONEY BACK THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY. If she can't answer 1 little question, how can she take care of a country. Time the crooks were gone!
1billinnj2
· 1 year ago
and remember that we still have the supreme court october suprise- the indiana voter id's. if the supreme court says that people need proper id(whatever that is) to vote in november it will knock off the voting rolls millions of voters. hopefully republicans also.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
Did the Republicans pay her to run? Honestly, they've been touting her as the Democratic candidate for four years now, she's secured the endorsements of Limbaugh and Coulter, seems determined to make the country elect her as if it is an entitlement. Does she realize that if she somehow gets the nomination and loses the general election, her career is likely over?
I don't think she gets the mood of the American people this year - especially concerning incumbents. And the longer she stays in the race and produces her own version of "more-of-the-same" the more likely voters are going to be turned off. And believe me, right now they are VERY turned off over how our government doesn't conduct the PUBLIC'S business.
Patriot
· 1 year ago
Bizarre, Delusional and quite sad. Is she really affirming that she will take the party down if she is not handed the nomination? What will be next, publicly supporting John McCain? I suppose I would not be at all suprised to see her declare an independent run if she isn't catapulted to the nomination.
She could really cause some serious damage if the power lust continues.
prairiew
· 1 year ago
Remember when we all believed Bush -- and maybe particularly Cheney -- would refuse to leave office when the time came? Well, the latest concern is that by the time the ceremony is over and Obama's motorcade inches towards the White House, Hillary will have sat down firmly at the desk in the Oval Office, Bill will be sitting in Cheney's chair at the OVP, and Chelsea will be at the front door with a shotgun!
As for Gore, he has said he doesn't want to get into politics again. If some well-meaning Dems tried to push him,, they'd wind up making him look like a damfool. Even those of us who supported him, suffered and ranted through 2001 because of him, are finding him a lot less desirable these days. Why relegate Obama to second place when he's earning first place AND has the respect of the opposing party?
Patriot
· 1 year ago
So what form of consolation prize does the DNC have to give up to persuade her to stop this lunacy?
tbhull
· 1 year ago
What does the DNC need to give Clinton to get her what she should have already done; namely, make a graceful exit? Not a damn thing. Clinton is already a NY Senator. Clinton will get nothing and she will like it!
Mike_P
· 1 year ago
It's my hope that superdelegates around the country wake up on this Sunday morning, sit down with their coffee, and on seeing the WP article spray that coffee out of heir noses.
This seems like an incredibly dumb thing for the Clinton campaign to do, on the heels of the threat to Pelosi, etc. Talk about "hardening" resolve! I predict this generates a nasty backlash. I really think she may have finally killed herself with this stunt.
But I've been wrong before!
dula
· 1 year ago
An extended Primary season wouldn't be such a big deal if our two candidates just focused on destroying McCain...two Dems with lots of TV coverage reminding the public that McCain is joined at the lip with GW. Unfortunately, when Hillary was just focused on the issues and was respectful to Obama and his supporters she was losing. She has to be nasty to win. Sad.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
After 8 years of Bill, I no longer considered myself a democrat, although my values were hardly in sync with the Repugs. I was planning to sit out 2004, but happened to hear Obama speak at the Democratic Convention. I decided that if the party had someone like him in it, I could manage to vote for Kerry (I did like Teresa, anyway!).
So Obama has brought people back to the party, people who were raised with the real values of the Democratic Party. If Obama is not the nominee, I could never vote for Shillbilly, ever.
Hillary is right. We do have to nominate someone who can go toe-to-toe with John McCain.
And that candidate is Barack Obama.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Who in their right mind would contribute to Clinton's hopeless campaign at this point?
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Politico has a run-down on her failure to pay bills. She's in deep do-do.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I like the signs I see coming out of Texas but don't know how to interpret them. If things continue as they are going, does it mean that, yes, Obama will be the winner of Texas, or does it mean that he is just going to get more delegates than she? (Not that that is a bad thing.) I sure would like to see Obama actually declared the winner of that big state Texas, especially since the media continues to call it a "big win" for her.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Obama has won Texas by 4-5 delegates. Mark it down.
Tom3
· 1 year ago
I am sick of this egotistical bitch wrecking the Democratic party.
Hillary Clinton only cares about Hillary Clintonl.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Why are you against people having their vote counter.? You sound so republican. Have you noticed that Obama's surrogates, supporters, pundits, etc.. are doing exactly what the Republicans were doing to Democrats?
If neither Mr Obama nor Mrs Clinton has the 2,025 delegates needed to win the nomination, and if both appear unable to beat Mr McCain, under one scenario a group of about 100 party elders - the "super-delegates" - could sit out the first ballot in Denver, preventing either candidate winning outright, and then offer Mr Gore the nomination for the good of the party.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I do not think giving Gore the nomination would be for the good of the party.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
He would be a good choice or Edwards. I prefer Edwards.
hector
· 1 year ago
the drugs that killed Ledger -- three types of benzodiazepines, an antihistamine, two pain relievers -- are all substances people take for sleep. Ledger, we know, was desperate for sleep. A month or so before his death, he told the New York Times that he was going night after night on no more than two hours of sleep. He was described by his ex, Michelle Williams, as having a mind "turning, turning, turning." That might explain the variety of benzodiazepines he took that night -- Valium, Zanax and Restoril. All are effective at quieting a whirring mind. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-green...
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Obama will make McSame look like a senile old fart.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
McCain is already a senile old fart.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Obama will be another McGovern. Between the Independents, Reagan Democrats, Republicans, Evangelicals Republicans, and Hillary's Democrats, I really don't see Obama anywhere but going back to the Senate or being Gov. of his homestate.
I do not think giving Gore the nomination would be for the good of the party.
I don't either. But while we discuss the Obama-Clinton matchup on pages like these, it is good to be reminded there are people in smoked filled rooms who are NOT concerned with what WE THE PEOPLE want....
peteywheats
· 1 year ago
Hillary was the candidate who could never get more than 50% of any general election vote because 50% of everyone strongly dislikes her (for various reasons). Now I'd be surprised if she could get 45% of a national vote. If she actually succeeds in destroying Obama and overriding the popular vote in order to get the superdelegates to steal the nomination from the people, which is the only way she can get it, I expect that she will max out at 40% or lower. sHillary is a disaster.
dula
· 1 year ago
Hector do you ever stay on topic?
jimfromthefoothills
· 1 year ago
I hate her and slick willie. The Clintons are Neo-Liberals. This morning Andrea Mitchell (greenspan's wife) was on Mathews pimping for Clinton.
kenosharick
· 1 year ago
Once again you have twisted her words in one of your headlines into something she never said. Why are you all so damn afraid of letting this play out? If Hillary is forced out (mostly by men) her supporters will not get behind Barack. If we let everyone vote (Mich &Fla. too, who Obama is obstructing) and he wind FAIRLY- then Hillary supporters will get behind Obama.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Obama does not want these people to vote. Why? He is always complaining that his name was not on the ballot. Do they actually believe that these people will vote for him come november. They will remember that he disfranchised them.
MommaKat
· 1 year ago
Argh, Henry it is so irritating to see people repeating this HRC talking point! If they 'will remember that he disnenfranchised them' as you say, they will only do so b/c they failed to research the truth about the primary fiasco in FL and MI and believed what HRC told them. The republican controlled legislature in FL disenfranchised its voters. The MI legislature, and by that I mean top state dems who were well aware of FL position after defying the rules set out by the DNCC in Aug 06, voted to similarly defy DNCC delegate selection rules in Nov of 07. These top state dems are largely strong HRC supporters. Want to know who disenfranchised MI voters, go talk to Deb Dingell, Jennifer Granholm et al.
The sickening thing is that the DNCC did not simply say they were stripping both states of all delegates, they gave each state another 30 days to resubmit a plan that moved their primary dates after Feb 5th. That means both states had 8/06 to 5/07 to submit a delegate selection plan as did all the other states PLUS an additional 30 days to rethink the boneheaded moves made by the state legislatures. We all know who really messed with the voters' right to vote in those states, but isn't it convenient to blame it on Barack Obama. Let's just go after the guy for following the freakin rules. Why in the world would we want to elect a candidate who abides by his morals and ethics and follows the rules, even when it's not politcally expedient for him. Please, dispute policy all you want, but let's stop posting bs and untruths that follow step with HRC and repub talking points!!
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Because it seems that Obama can't win if Michigan and Florida are counted. I assume that is what they are thinking. He as obstructed the revote.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
Hennry2008, lots of people didn't vote in those 2 states, because they understood that their vote wouldn't be counted for anything, and Barack wasn't on in the Mi. vote so the rules that Hillary agreed to and signed on for, just need to be kept, as in all the rules in this world that we sign on to agree to. Nobody twisted her arm, no did they when she agreed to the rules, no she just always intended to go there anyway and campaign, then to argue about the votes getting counted. I tell you, I have never seen anyone that is so under-handed as she is. After the big Bosnia lie told so sincerely, how do you know what else she is lying about in her campaign, what about all those campaign promises, is she just making up lots of stuff, like she is doing with all this phony experience that is not true? You better start thinking, and stop being brainwashed. The Clintons have proven they don't care about you, they are only being self-serving, and are in this game for their own selfish interests, hang everything else. You will be very sorry if she gets in, and tells more lies about why she can't do what she had promised to do. She is a good lier remember.!
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Hennry,
Looks like your clout rating went pretty far south.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
What do you expect. This is an Obama surrogate site. I am shocked that I haven't been called a racist yet.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
It is 143 in the negative zone. Why do Obama's Democrats want to silence other Democrats.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Ready for my closeup, Mr DeMille.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Yep, it's win the race or lie trying, all right.
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
I am a delegate from the Great State of Texas and went to my convention yesterday. At the March 4 caucus my precinct went 2-1 in favor of Clinton. So going into the convention there were potentially 9 Obama delegates and 18 Clinton delegates. Those who showed up and were counted were 8 for Obama 13 for Clinton. Because we had more than 24 delegates coming out of the March 4 caucus our precinct got to elect 2 delegates and 2 alternates to the State convention in June. The great majority of precincts, only got 1 delegate and 1 alternate. We were an unusually active and pretty strongly pro-Clinton precinct! The Clinton majority in our caucus wanted to vote for each delegate and alternate separately so as to have the same weight as precincts who only got to choose one delegate. The Obama people of course opposed this because by having only one vote they could vote as a block for one candidate and be assured of getting a delegate. Because of the interpretation of the rules we told we had to vote only once for all delegates and alternates. The result was despite her 2-1 edge at the March 4 caucus and a clear majority at yesterday's convention there was no way Clinton could get both delegates awarded to our precinct. So our precinct will send one Obama delegate and one Clinton delegate to Austin in June. Basically they will cancel each other out.
Joe, you should have someone look at that bulging vein in your forehead... On to Denver!
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Howl, howl, howl, [howl]! O, you are men of stones: Had I your tongues and eyes, I'ld use them so That heaven's vault should crack. She's gone for ever! I know when one is dead, and when one lives; She's dead as earth. Lend me a looking-glass; If that her breath will mist or stain the stone, Why, then she lives.
Lear, act 5, scene iii
KatherineHepburnEyes
· 1 year ago
The Super Delegates could end all of this if they would just come out and announce who they'll be voting for. I'm blaming them for now because they too have a responsibility in keeping the party together. The longer this match goes on the more the party is divided.
Hillary is splitting the party. All the bobbleheads on Timmah and Chris Walrus are saying it. Haven't seen George Snuffalufagus yet but it will be the same.
Hillary should quit and endorse Obama for the good of the party
For the good of the COUNTRY.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Of course they are. MSNBC is Obama network.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Looks like Clinton has never learned, in 60 years, that intelligence surpasses stubbornness every time.
Meanwhile, this woman found an injured lion, took it home to nurse it back to health and then called a zoo. Here's how she's greeted when she goes to visit him:
Simply amazing what love and a little tender loving care can do. People who think animals are stupid are themselves stupid.
devis1
· 1 year ago
OlderAndWiser--thanks for the link--warmed my heart on this cold and rainy day!
Meanwhile, this woman found an injured lion, took it home to nurse it back to health and then called a zoo. Here's how she's greeted when she goes to visit him:
That is the most amazing video like that I've ever seen! I love watching "Growing up..." and the affection those hand-raised/loved fur-guys show on that show pales in comparison to this lion's obvious show of delirious affection! Can you imaging how that woman must feel to know how this amazing powerful animal feels about her! Truly amazing! I think of things like this everytime some ignoramus out there claims animals don't have souls and don't think and don't have memories/emotions...It is SOOO obvious how this lion feels about this woman! What an amazing experience.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Who said Hillary is interested in the good of the country?
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
She is a good Patriot.
dula
· 1 year ago
Thurston dear, your three hour tour is about done :) Take Hillary and your old money and retire somewhere warm while another generation takes us a few steps forward.
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
LOL!
KatherineHepburnEyes
· 1 year ago
Hillary being a battlefield warrior has sunk the Democratic Party's battleship all on her own because of her moments of narcissism and grandioseness. No one is entitled to become the next president of the United States, but for some reason, Hillary believes she is. Americans are sick of this attitude. It's the same attitude George Bush had during the 1999/2000 campaign.
vwcat
· 1 year ago
The only way that Clinton will get out and stop acting scary is if the press starts to cover like they do other candidates who have lost and have not admitted it yet. By pulling back coverage. As long as they give her equal coverage to the nominees and treat her as a candidate still in the running, she will continue her delusions. Remember, both Clintons crave the spotlight and need it like they do air. When they are deprived of the very thing they live for, they will finally face reality and move on.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
When Obama reaches 2025 she will quit. Until then this race keeps going. You forget that don't you. Neither candidate has reached 2025.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Arrogant attitude of privilege. A sense of entitlement.
Haven't we had enough?
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
I am sick of Hillary and her supporters threatening anyone that does no support her, saying that they will not support Obama if he is the candidate. Hillary has given McCain all of the best campaign ads.
Hillary and Bill are like the relatives that have used their way through the entire family then when there is no one else to use they turn on everyone that has helped them.
Hillary is willing to disenfranchise all of the people that voted for Obama by having the Super-delegates hand her the nomination but we better not disenfranchise Florida and Michigan voters because then the nominee will have no legitimacy, what kind of bullshit is Hillary trying to run past voters and the sad part is her people listen to her.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Excuse me. It was your campaing that started with "we won't support Hillary". Ms. Obama even said that she would have to think about supporting her. Mr. Obama said that Hillary won't get his supporters votes but that he will get hers.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
The best intervention will be for the Superdelegates to start coming out for Obama.
And they will, because they know whether she wins or not, Clinton will destroy the Democratic Party.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
McCain in the White House? That's a nightmare that Hillary can empower. Remember how Kerry threw away the election? Remember how Gore did not challenge the vote theft? What is this conspiracy inside the DNC to prevent a Democrat from holding the office of president? I think it's NPD, narcicissitic personality disorder, and there's more to it than just Hillary.
dula
· 1 year ago
Henry sorry to inform you but Pelosi has said the winner will be the candidate who has the most delegates...even if neither can reach the 2025.
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
dula, I refer you to my account of yesterday's convention in Texas. The candidate with the most delegates does not always win. This Denver convention promises to be an educational experience for everyone, even Nancy Pelosi.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Frankly, I don't know what's worse: McCain in the White House or Hillary in the White House.
You know Hillary will get the downticket Dems killed in 08 and slaughtered in the 2010 midterms.
Bubba left with fewer Dem Senators, Reps and Governors than when he started, and the damage he did to the Democratic Party is nothing compared to what Hillary would do.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Excuse me. But what cause the Dems downfall was their( Congress) rampant corruption.
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
or she can run a third party campaign.
Nope! Nope! Nope! She will offer the 2nd spot on the Republican ticket to McCain. On January 20, 2009, she will show up demanding to be crowned Empress Hillary the First, ruler of the Alpha Quadrant, who defeated the Borg, Cardassians and Romulans single handed, without even a starship, by the vast power of her mind.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Most if not all Democrats hated one of the character flaws about Bush, that he could not admit failure and would not admit when he was wrong or when he has lost, but some are now willing to over look that same dangerous flaw in Hillary.
This is why Americans cannot afford to have family dynasty's running the presidency because they feel that they are entitled to the presidency, voters be dammed.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Besides, Hillary already plans to dump the 50 state strategy if she gets in.
That would be a terminal mistake for the party.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Why Hillary should not be the nominee:
Has the HIGHEST negative ratings among all three candidates, and her negative ratings are higher than her positive.
Has the LOWEST ratings for the candidate who can most unite the country.
Has the MOST amount of baggage, and all this baggage will be brought out, ad nauseum, if she runs against the Republicans.
Has attacked her fellow Democrat, and denigrated him, with Rovian like dirty tactics, and ENDORSED and admired the republican nominee, over a Democrat.
Has played the fear (3am call, as far as I know Obama is muslim, etc) card, the victim card , and lied and exaggerated about her so called experience, and was caught doing so, and denied it, and later blamed he memory, and sleep deprivation (so she is memory challenged too?). She lied about the SCHIP, Bosnia, bringing peace to Ireland, and that is shameless.
She VOTED for the Iraq war, showed no regret about it, until a few weeks ago. She has voted with Bush regarding Iran, she has shown bad judgment, and we cannot have a President who is judgment and memory impaired.
All the dirty Clinton WH laundry, will be aired, again and again, and the Democrats, and the country, will feel they are back to that time.
Haven't we had enough of the Bush and Clinton families? Isn't it time we had President who can unite and breathe fresh air into our political system again?
Who wants to hear names like Lewinski, Norman Hsu, Peter Paul, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Marc Rich, Lincoln bedroom, Paula Jones, William Hubble, and others, for the next few year?
nicho
· 1 year ago
Bush on his failed war: "I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong. I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started."
Hillary on her failed campaign: "I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong. I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started."
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
What about Governorships, what about the Senate.
No, Bubba had a lead role in the downfall of the Democrats in the 90s.
That's obvious.
dula
· 1 year ago
Thurston The Party leaders have said this won't go to the Convention. You don't believe them?
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
Dula
Personally, I think the Party leaders have let everyone down so far. The sanctions against Michigan and Florida have proved to be a debacle. I believe they would like to settle the nomination before the Convention. But if Obama does not reach 2024 delegates and Clinton does not withdraw the only thing the Party leaders could do to end things would be to change the rules. I could almost admire such an audacious move. But it won't happen because our party leaders are too Chickenshit.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Yes, we already know about Hillary's plans to sabotage Obama if he gets the nomination.
So what? It just shows what a bunch of sleazeballs the Clintonites and their handmaidens like Penn, Carville, McAuliffe are.
Even if he loses, Obama won't kill the downticket Dems like Hillary would.
Kansaskitty
· 1 year ago
Hillary is going to quickly run out of money. Her donors are tapped out and she is desperately trying to squeeze enough money out of them to help pay off her debt. I've also heard the campaign is a deadbeat on paying their bills. Yeah, that would really make people confident about her management skills and ability to run the country.
hector
· 1 year ago
NOBODY wins when a home enters foreclosure — neither the borrower, who is evicted, nor the lender, who takes a loss when the home is resold. That’s the conventional wisdom, anyway. The reality is very different. Behind the scenes in these dramas, a small army of law firms and default servicing companies, who represent mortgage lenders, have been raking in mounting profits. These little-known firms assess legal fees and a host of other charges, calculate what the borrowers owe and draw up the documents required to remove them from their homes.
As the subprime mortgage crisis has spread, the volume of the business has soared, and firms that handle loan defaults have been the primary beneficiaries. Law firms, paid by the number of motions filed in foreclosure cases, have sometimes issued a flurry of claims without regard for the requirements of bankruptcy law, several judges say. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/business/30mi...
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Obama better not think about being Hillary's veep, if she gets the nomination.
Ask Al Gore how that worked out for him.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
If he loses, Obama has the class to take the high road, and help the Democrats this November, unfortunately, I don't have the same confidence in Ms. Clinton. That nasty side of her makes me lose all hope.
She also seems to be cash strapped at the moment, and not paying her bills.
It looks like the Clintons, with all the big talk about experience, and having a mighty political machine, has run a lousy campaign.
I voted for Reagan, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush, and next election McCain.
HolySmokesBaby
· 1 year ago
So you're NOT voting for Hillary?
dula
· 1 year ago
Hillary didn't seem to care about voter disenfranchisement back when she assumed she'd have it all wrapped up by Super Tuesday. She wasn't saying much about PA, SD, and Puerto Rico back then huh? Didn't seem to care about their voices back then...
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
She didn't assume anything. It was the media who said that. Get a grip.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Ah, Hillary doesn't care about anyone but herself.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Hillary wants to fight this out all the way to the convention giving McCain a free ride for months. Hillary knows this is her last chance, because if McCain wins, then people will blame her for this fight it out at all costs policy of hers and if she tries to run again in 2012, voters will not want to see her again because they will remember all of the drama that she caused in 2008.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Hennry voted for John Birch.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Yeah, this is it for her.
Never again would she have so many superdelegates lined up before the thing even started.
If she tried again in 2012, she'd look like the Joe Lieberman she is.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
IS that the same Lieberman that Obama supported and campaigned for?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hey Joe:
Are the bloggers working on anything to get the remaining Superdelegates off the dime?
They should.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
"She also seems to be cash strapped at the moment, and not paying her bills."
Putting up the 'volunteers" at the Ritz--bet those bills get paid.
mush57
· 1 year ago
Personally, I want a candidate who is going to fight it out to the death, That's how the republicans win. Ask Kerry.
EdNSted
· 1 year ago
It's funny the way things turn out sometimes. Six months ago I was pretty sure that by this time I would be working hard against Hillary Clinton. As it turns out though, Obama's supporters have been far more effective at this that I could have ever been. All I needed to do was step back and let nature take its course . I still think a Clinton nomination is possible, though it's becoming less likely by the day and would require a dramatic an unexpected turn of events. On the other hand, I don't consider myself an enthusiastic Obama supporter. Lukewarm would be a better description. For me Obama is a compromise candidate.
Nevertheless, unless Obama should begin to back away from his commitment to ending US involvement in Iraq, I will most likely vote for him this fall.
HolySmokesBaby
· 1 year ago
Hennry2008, I'm curious, why are you voting Hillary?
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
My daughters were both big Hillary supporters. Now they just want her to leave the race and through her support to Obama. I am my girls are not unique. There must be tens of thousands wishing the same thing.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
throw not through
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
Deep in Hillary's heart there is a faded bumper sticker which reads ...Au H2O
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Clinton has built her own cell in the Clinton Prison of Hubris.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Closest he could get to voting for Lieberman.
dula
· 1 year ago
Thurston They are clear about not allowing a knock down, drag out Convention. They will have the Super Delegate pledge before Denver if necessary.
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
Dula,
Perhaps they will. And in that case Obama wins by the rules because he gets the required number of delegates. But if the Supers don't toe the line there's nothing our Leaders can do that I'm aware of.
pcvirginiabeach
· 1 year ago
Hey-
The speech on race was fantastic. It was good enough to overcome the Rev Wright nonsense even in a very heated political climate in which Obama is being hit from two sides. All the naysayers in here did not listen to it, or the remarks from the press following it. Not a doubt in my military mind. Even the folks at Fox News had to pause in order to understand and reject the truth that they knew that they had just witnessed. It actually took Fox some time to find the proper sound bites for their news models talking points. Expertise in monopolization of perception is the largest propaganda tool of our free press. Hey, it sells.
Very soon it will be a mathematical impossibility for Hillary to win the elected delegate race. Very soon after that it will be impossible even with the delegates (she did not earn) from FL and MI. As soon as that milestone is reached, I predict that the heavy hitters from the party will step in to call it for Obama. It is the only way they can settle this thing without giving Hillary the ability to cry foul, even though she does not have the numbers today. If they call it too early, they run the risk of dividing the party more than Hillary is and hurting the general election chances of victory. Many of the supers and party leaders are waiting for the moment when they can say-
1) This was a race for elected delegates, and the person having the most going into the convention will get the majority of our support.
2) It is a mathematical impossibility that Clinton can overtake Obama in elected delegates at this point, therefore the only fair way to settle this is to give it to the person who won the election... Obama.
Some will need to wait for-
3) Go ahead and seat all the delegates Clinton earned from Florida and Mi, we want their votes to count. Still, Senator Clinton does not have the delegates to overtake Obama, so refer to #1 and #2.
This scenario leaves little wiggle room for Clinton to make any real argument without killing her name. I am guessing from what I have read at Ephblog, that you have had the epiphany? The Clintons do not care who or what they have to destroy to achieve power, they only care about themselves. That is why the party is forced to wait while McCain gains ground right now. That is why Hillary will not quit until the loaded guns pointed at her are certain to kill the Clinton brand.
Clinton is going to have no choice but to drop out. Even today, she is falling further behind in elected delegates with that is happening in Texas. It will not be long now people, do not fret. North Carolina ends this.
Good luck with everything. Honesty, hope and change!
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
An_American_Karol
My daughters were both big Hillary supporters. Now they just want her to leave the race and through her support to Obama. I am my girls are not unique. There must be tens of thousands wishing the same thing.
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Guess it helps that Obama's handling this in a classier manner than Hillary would be, or than I would be for that matter.
lauren1959
· 1 year ago
It's not Hillary's supporters that are the issue; it's her. She keeps filming commercials for John McCain. I
dula
· 1 year ago
mush Hillary fights only for herself. If she fought for us she wouldn't have voted to authorize the Iraq war.
Mikki --SE Pennsylvania
· 1 year ago
In her manic attempts to avaoid the inevitable, Hillary is already trying to plow up support in Indiana and you wont hear much about it from the campaign but you can be sure she is hoping for support from the Indiana KKK. Not in public endorsements, but contributions in dollars to help keep her ill-starred campaign from crashing out of poverty. The racist monster bitch has no qualms about playing the race card over and over to inflame the ignorant unthinking white racists that unfortunately exist all over America. I'd say Shame on you Hil, but she has already proved she has no shame, so we can only watch the wheels continue to come off the wagon as she and her campaign and her whoremonger husband rush headlong towards the dustbin of history.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
lauren1959 It's not Hillary's supporters that are the issue; it's her. She keeps filming commercials for John McCain.
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Yeah, it's funny.
Early on, I tried not to blame Hillary for her followers.
Then by New Hampshire and, certainly, by South Carolina, I realized Hillary was exactly like her followers.
"NOBODY wins when a home enters foreclosure — neither the borrower, who is evicted, nor the lender, who takes a loss when the home is resold. "
Well, that use to be true. Back when banks who issued the mortgages held onto them for the life of the mortgage. Back then, banks did not issue mortgages that were unlikely to be paid back. But it doesn't work that way anymore. Mortgages are bundled and sold and rebundled and resold from investment corp to investment corp. And if you've issued high-risk mortgages, it's far better to unload them, take a smaller profit now. Thus, the high-risk mortgage becomes a bit of a game of "hot potato" or "musical chairs". Everyone inbetween makes money until the music stop. The mortgages continue to sell because they are supposedly "insured". When finally, the companies insuring those high-risk mortgage can not longer service its commitments, the tax payer then writes the check. No harm, no foul. In fact, EVERYBODY wins, nobody loses (well, except for the homeowner and the tax payer but that's an unimportant detail).
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
Obama has shown he is strong enough to withstand the biggest smear campaign. I am not worried about McCain running against him in the general. If this is Hillary's best, Obama should be a sure win in November. I can't wait until the debates between senile old McCain and Obama. What a hoot that's going to be.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
The Clinton campaign issued a press release on September 1, 2007: " We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar."
Many are saying Clinton is a fighter, why then did she agree in 2007 to the DNC rules and now has a memory lapse? A fighter, in my opinion, doesn't agree to fight by the rules and then in the third round with several knock outs want to change the rules. That is not a "fair" fighter if you ask me.
dula
· 1 year ago
Great News B.Bitch Thanks for posting The MSM can now officially stop saying Clinton won Texas
Rab
· 1 year ago
Henry who is on crack, Hillary and McCain represent nothing of substance. One is too old and the other one lies too much. Sorry Hillbots your candidate will never be president.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
and neither will yours.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hennry2008
Obama will be another McGovern. Between the Independents, Reagan Democrats, Republicans, Evangelicals Republicans, and Hillary's Democrats, I really don't see Obama anywhere but going back to the Senate or being Gov. of his homestate.
I voted for Reagan, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush, and next election McCain.
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You voted for Bush's reelection, after the country knew he was an idiot.
That says it all.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Why do the Hillary supporters overlook the pledge that she signed in reference to Florida and Michigan and if she was against it why didn't she complain before the primary's started?
Hillary and George are one in the same.
Hillary is willing to disenfranchise all of the states that Obama has won. Hillary is the best fighter that McCain has on his team
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
You mean the pledge that Obama broke when he campaign there.
nicho
· 1 year ago
Hennry2008 1 minute ago
I voted for Reagan, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush, and next election McCain.
Then, you are a traitor to the US. Bush is a war criminal. McCain is insane. By your votes, you are trying to destroy the country. You should be ashamed.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Bush is the President of the United States of America. A traitor can never be president.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Gary Hussein SF
Hillary Clinton's concept of party unity: Nobody gets out alive.
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She views it like she views her marriage.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Not too worried about McCain, actually.
The guy's showing himself to be a babbling idiot every day.
Either Hillary or Obama would stomp him in a debate.
tommccaslin
· 1 year ago
Billary is now trying to steal Barrack's talking points. Drudge is reporting that she met with Richard Mellon Scaife and is trying to build bridges. What a corrupt liar. The Obama campaign is about unifying both Democrats and Republicans. Barack has vowed to welcome key Republicans into his Administration. Now the divisive witch Billary is trying to pretend she can do the same.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
tommccaslin, at least Obama knows the difference between real Republicans and the far right wing nutjobs and Neocons that Clinton seems to love.
tommccaslin
· 1 year ago
Look, we all agree that Shillary is totally corrupt, deceptive, and bigotted in her racist attacks against Barack (the tv ads in which she photo-shopped Obama's skin tone and nose size in order to stimulate racist hatred). So the Hillbots are embracing these type of dispicable values. I ask, why would we want any of these goons to be supporting Obama? Obama has enough crossover from Independents and moderate Republicans that we don't need Shillary's screwball fan base to support Obama.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
I wonder if anyone will finally ask Clinton what she thinks about Bill signing the Phil Gramm bill which overturned the Glass-Steagall Act which allowed the subprime mess and the emptying of the US Treasury to bail out the investment bank credit fiasco?
Hasn't she already said it's a "good thing" for them to be bailed out, and tossed a bone to those homeowners who were hoodwinked by the mortgage bankers? Hey, Chelsea may have to get a real job; that is if hers is still there after she stops lying for her mother. No press questions, just plants, for Chelsea? How Clintonian..
bullitt
· 1 year ago
Obama will be a lifetime Senator.....maybe Governor....but not President! Thanks to Hillary, Obama will lose because of the split in the party. Rather than support another Democrat, McCain will pick up Hillary voters. It's time to give Al Gore a call......maybe with Obama VP.............or we will have four more years of Iraq and economic misery! The Democrats will lose.........with the two present dividers..........................................................
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
John McCain was anointed by the Texas Republican county/senatorial conventions. Compared to the sometimes chaotic Democratic conventions with their record-breaking HUGE, enthusiastic turnouts, the Republican conventions were more akin to holding small wakes for their half-dead McCain.
However, our Gov. Rick Perry did appear at the Senate District 14 convention in Austin to urge his fellow Republicans to pass a resolution showing support for the Boy Scouts of America against "increasing attacks" from "radical homosexuals, liberal extremists" and the American Civil Liberties Union.
As to Lieberman being Obama's "mentor in the Senate"? Yes, he was. Every freshman Senator is assigned a more experienced mentor to help him learn the ropes, and when Obama was first elected to the Senate in 2004, Lieberman had been his party's vice presidential candidate in the previous Presidential election and was still well-respected. And Obama loyally endorsed Lieberman when Lieberman was challenged by newcomer Ned Lamont in the CT primary, which I didn't like, since Lamont was the better man; but once Lamont won the Democratic nomination and Lieberman decided to run against Lamont anyway as an Independent, Obama notably didn't endorse him; he stayed out of it.
Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer | March 31, 2006 HARTFORD, Conn. --U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.
Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is considered a rising star in the party, was the keynote speaker at the annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner.
Lieberman, Connecticut's junior senator, is under fire from some liberal Democrats for his support of the Iraq War. He was key in booking Obama, who routinely receives more than 200 speaking invitations each week.
Some at Thursday's dinner said that while they were pleased with Lieberman's success in bringing Obama to Connecticut, they still consider Lieberman uncomfortably tolerant of the Bush administration. Obama wasted little time getting to that point, calling it the "elephant in the room" but praising Lieberman's intellect, character and qualifications.
"The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraise
"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.
theWalrus
· 1 year ago
EARTH TO JOE SUDBAY...EARTH TO JOE SUDBAY....
"My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants. Her name is on the ballot and she is a fierce and formidable competitor," said Obama, adding that the notion that Democrats have been split by the prolonged nominating contest "is somewhat overstated."
paulko
· 1 year ago
Even though what hillary and Barack are doing is very American. The are carrying the primary to its' finish but I for one am getting really tired of it! Getting really tired of it and sick of the Clinton campaign. Just wants me to campaign harder for Barack!
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
But it seems that you are not sick of Obama's campaign. How convenient of you.
theWalrus
· 1 year ago
The longer this "fight" between HRC and BO continues the more it confounds the rightwing attack machine and that's a good thing. In the meantime, all of our energies should be going into revealing the truths about McCain and how dangerous he is. By the time the election arrives, just saying "McCain" should be toxic.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
The Clinton and Obama attacks are hurting the Democrats. Because they're focused on attacking each other not McCain. We need a nominee. The DNC can't attack McCain without one. But the GOP can attack us because they have a nominee. Also, right now, the DNC only has about $5 million in their coffers. So the lack of a nominee is hurting DNC fundraising efforts. Ditto the DCCC, which the Clinton campaign just tried to blackmail.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
paulko. If this year doesn't make the DNC and those in power in the party to wake up and see that our system is broken, then I have great concern for the viability and future of the Democratic Party. We need a much shorter campaign season and ONE NATIONAL PRIMARY set on ONE DATE where all candidates can be voted on under the same rules. Possibly a "run off" might be offered soon afterwards if enough feel a majority is needed. That many of the states, like Texas holding their primaries later, ended up being offered only TWO out of the original nine candidates to choose from isn't good for the Democratic process. It is estimated that Hillary and Obama will spend around a HALF BILLION to carry this race through to the convention. This is obscene when party donors could be giving most of their money to defeat Republicans, NOT Democrats.
Lilly
· 1 year ago
I'm beginning to think that the Clintons are helping Obama by making it perfectly clear why voters should NOT want another 4 years of the them. Hillary's approval numbers are going down every day. By the time Obama is nominated the whole party will be united behind him and giving out a big sigh of relief that it's not Hillary.
nicho
· 1 year ago
LeslieB 19 minutes ago
The Clinton and Obama attacks are hurting the Democrats.
I'm well-aware of Clinton's personal attacks on Obama -- whether in person or through her top campaign surrogates. But, please document Obama's personal attacks against her. Seriously, I'm not aware of them. Most of the damage for Hillary that I'm aware of has come from her own mouth.
kiki
· 1 year ago
Clinton: I am never getting out of this race. EVER.
Hillary is such a poor loser!
Nicho, nothing is going to hurt the Democrats. Who in their right mind will vote for Mc Bush. 8 years of Republicans running this country is enough for anyone. Their days are over unless we have another "FIXED" election.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Nicho, I'm well-aware of Clinton's personal attacks on Obama -- whether in person or through her top campaign surrogates. But, please document Obama's personal attacks against her. Seriously, I'm not aware of them. Most of the damage for Hillary that I'm aware of has come from her own mouth.
Geez, we have to stop attacking each other. I'm an Obama supporter. Even so I'm aware that Obama has also attacked Clinton. Although you request that I document "personal attacks," when that's not what I said. I never said Obama had made personal attacks...only that they've attacked each other! Get it?
For example: Obama has attacked Clinton's Iraq vote repeatedly, he's attacked her veracity, one of us surrogates called Hillary a "monster". I could go on.
The point I was making wasn't about who's been worse: I believe Hillary has been worse. But that's beside the point. The point I was making that as long as Obama and Clinton attack each other, neither one of them is going after McCain. And McCain's popularity, by the way, is increasing as a result. While the two democratic candidates are going down.
Lili
· 1 year ago
I believe Republican money is behind Obama's huge amount of campaign funds. They know he can not win but are very afraid of Hillary. That money is also behind the obvious preferencial treatment he gets from the media. They know Hillary can beat the republican candidate and turn this country away from the route to economical ruin. The wealthy do not care about the country, their money is safely invested overseas. Don' tell me I'm paranoid. I already know that. I am a casualty of dishonest american politics.
peteywheats
· 1 year ago
Yes, you are right, I would assume that at least a few of the 1,000,000 plus small private donors to Obama's campaign are republicans. I also am certian that quite more than a few of the mega-corporate lobbying firms that have sponsored Hillary campaign are led by Republicans.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
Lili, I believe Republican money is behind Obama's huge amount of campaign funds.
In fact, it's been repeatedly reported that the majority of Obama's money is coming from tens of thousands of small supporters, such as myself, who are each donating on average $120.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
Lili. Republicans don't contribute money to anything democratic. Such things simply do not happen. A few of them might...MIGHT be following limbaugh's directions to vote democratic in the primaries...but trust me, there is no GOPer money going to Obama or Hillary for that matter.
laketahoeblue
· 1 year ago
The media is as much if not more to blame for the lack of resolution to the Democratic race. Why does the media keep giving so much attention to a candidate who has little to no chance of overcoming the primary leader in popular vote and delegates?
The media are co-opting with the Clinton campaign to create a false sense that there really is a competition here. Of course, for the media to continue promulgating such a conflict is good for business. But if it weren't the famous Clinton family, do you think the media would continue to give so much coverage and prominence to a candidate who has no chance of achieving the majority of votes or delegates? The media stopped giving much coverage to Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee and Mike Gravel long before either dropped from the Republican race. Why? Because there was no money to be made in covering them.
The media may argue that the race between Clinton and Obama is so close it merits the coverage it receives. But in the end if a candidate who is behind but "close" has no statistical chance of winning, what difference does being close make?
Imploring Hillary to drop out is not necessary to put an end to this thing. If the media stopped covering every word she said, her campaign would dry up over night.
Bobby_Sambang
· 1 year ago
It's time to give free reign to any serious doubts one has, about co-workers and family members and friends who still support this lunatic. Seriously, I think it's time for confrontation. I advise making Hillary supporters take a Reality Test.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Hennry,
Wow. Your clout rating is down to -110 at this point.
BTW: Do you think you are actually accomplishing anything?
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
"Bush is the President of the United States of America. A traitor can never be president."
We have ample evidence to the contrary.
KatherineHepburnEyes
· 1 year ago
If Hillary gets on the ballot, I will vote for Obama anyways. Never in a trillion years would I vote for a republican no matter who the republican candidate is.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Hennry needs to be sent back to The Borg.
hector
· 1 year ago
This is a story about two retirees who bought $753 round-trip tickets to Europe and wound up paying nearly $10,000. It's also a story about self-serving airline policies, regulatory indifference and the perils of booking separate tickets for connecting flights. Anthony and Carol Lopilato of Redondo Beach booked their bargain fares from New York's JFK Airport to Rome, flying out Dec. 19 and back Jan. 2, on Alitalia. Then, they booked an American Airlines flight from LAX scheduled to arrive at JFK more than three hours before their Alitalia flight. It didn't. The flight was delayed by "equipment issues," American spokesman Tim Smith said. The jet pulled into JFK too late for the Lopilatos to make their Alitalia flight. At first, the couple said, American tried to help. http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-trw-money...
Bobby_Sambang
· 1 year ago
Her campaign is broke. No one is giving anymore. Why would they? Capital given to Hillary at this point will only serve to pay off her mounting debts. It's over. The HRC campaign is not paying their bills. Hillary Clinton is a total failure as a Presidential candidate on the key levels of charisma, character, the record, and financial competancy. She's just hurting herself now, as the polls prove. Every new shovel of mud she slings boomerangs.
Imagine what this Mess would be like as President?" Well, you don't have to. We have just endured 8 years of a President who doesn't have a clue of how he comes across, and never admits a mistake.
Seriously I never, ever, ever imagined she would sink so low. She is really plumbing the depths. She is very close to foreclosing on any possibility she ever becomes President. Hillary in 2012? Dream on. We have smelled her poop now and it aint good. One wonders that it's frankly Bill, here, who is the problem. He is really hurting her by telling her not to get out while she still has a small semblance of respect. (not much, however.)
laketahoeblue
· 1 year ago
Both Hillary and Bill justify staying in the race by claiming this "spirited debate" is good for the party. But the current "spirited debate", if that's what you want to call it, does not serve the interests of the party. It only serves the interests of one person in the party: Hillary Clinton.
KatherineHepburnEyes
· 1 year ago
Hennry2008 is very much like Hillary is. He/She will not listen to anyone. He/She continues to plug forward regardless if their ship's anchor is taking everyone over the edge of the waterfall with them. As long as their voice is being heard on the path of hell & division, it's all they care about. Nothing else. Very unfortunate Hennry & Hillary can't see this.
laketahoeblue
· 1 year ago
If the MSM ignores Hillary, she will go away. Why hasn't anyone started an IGNORE HILLARY campaign?
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
I hate this broken commenting section as postings made only minutes ago are scattered from the top to the bottom of the thread. One has no idea where their posting will end up....hopefully right after the latest posting but don't count on it. No wonder it seems many are giving up and posting here less.
Henry2008. You continue to repeat the Billarybot LIE, a false "talking point", that Michelle Obama has said she won't VOTE for Hillary. She NEVER has said such a thing and you probably know it. She only did not commit at this early date that she would ACTIVELY WORK for the Hillary campaign this fall if Sen. Clinton is the nominee. HOWEVER, Michelle said that ALL Democrats would support Hillary and she included herself. You might read her ACTUAL words instead of continuing the Billarybot lie.
First of all, Michelle Obama is the mother of two elementary school age daughters and she hasn't even been on the road stumping full time for her husband due to pressures from home and her job in a law firm. The Obamas only took a few days off last week to enjoy Spring Break with their daughters in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Hillary has the advantage of a three person brigade working for her, Bill and Chelsea stumping FULL time. If I were Michelle Obama, I don't think I could take off much time to campaign for Sen. Clinton, especially after some of the dirty tricks from the Rovian Billary organization.
S_in_Tokyo
· 1 year ago
Sorry to be picky, but I'd prefer if you could avoid non-grammatical constructions like the "not intends" in the last paragraph. There is nothing wrong with the standard form (i.e. doesn't intend). Not being American, I am having trouble understanding something about the convention. I thought it was intended for selecting the party's candidate, and that therefore it's quite reasonable to have at least two potential candidates in running up until that time. Or is this another element of the US election system that has "evolved" over time?
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
It is a sad day when obama's democrats want to silence other democrats.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Hennry, Hennry, Hennry, Hennry, Hennry,
You're acting very much like a sock puppet.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Peteywheats. I have made two $30 donations to Obama (about to give a third) which, when one is on Social Security and a small teacher's pension, was a sacrifice but one I wished to make. My very Republican brother and sister pulled a Democratic ballot and voted for Obama in the Texas primary and my sister has voted straight Republican since Eisenhower. My large "Rockefeller Republican" family are most disappointed in Bush and now see McCain as a Bush clone and are supporting Obama (NEVER Hillary) this fall. Since both are millionaires, they may even donate some money to Obama which, if they did, I am sure would be the FIRST time they ever gave a dime to a Democrat.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Why are Henry2008's comments at the very bottom of this thread when our responses to him land somewhere in the middle? This screwed up software makes commenting here sometimes a waste of time if one cannot respond to a recent posting. I hate scrolling up and down to find my latest posting.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Henry2008. Somewhere here on this thread I posted that Sen. Obama was assigned to Sen. Lieberman when he first came into the Senate as freshman senators are mentored by seasoned senators.
True, Sen. Obama was loyal to his mentor when Lieberman ran as a DEMOCRAT in the Connecticut primary. However, when Lieberman deserted the party and ran as an Independent, Sen. Obama no longer supported him. Sen. Obama showed loyalty to the Democratic Party over Lieberman's thumbing his nose at the party that "brung him to the dance".
In fact, Ned Lamont now supports Sen. Obama over Sen. Clinton after Hillary continued to back Lieberman AFTER he left the Democratic Party.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Say what you will, she is correct about Michigan and Florida. Now, the resolution doesn't necessarily have to be something that will favor her chances, but something does indeed need to be done, there are enough people in those states quite unhappy with being disenfranchised, and the party leadership would do well to find some way of seating delegates from those states. The race in November is likely to be close enough as it is without alienating voters in two key states.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
Mike_H Hillary is not at all correct about Mi. and Fl. because she AGREED TO THE RULES, AND EVEN SIGNED THE AGREEMENT!! Are you saying, now after she agreed and also signed the agreement, (just because she went to those 2 states, knowing their votes would not count, and lots of people stayed home and didn't vote because they knew they wouldn't count eather) that just because she needs the votes, everybody needs to change the rules just so she can have a bette chance of winning??? Imagine this scenerio in a football super-ball game!! Of course the rules that are agreed to, need to be followed. She shouldn't have signed the agreement, how many times do we in real life sign things, change our minds, but too bad, we have to live with what we signed for. Same thing here.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
No, you're wrong, but it's because you're approaching the question in a Hillary-centric fashion. Regardless of what ANY of the candidates said, it's the VOTERS in those states who are suffering. The decision by the party was a bad one. And for those voters -- people like you and me who deserve a say in the nomination process -- some kind of accommodation needs to be made. That's also why I said it doesn't matter if the resolution is something that works in her favor, but something needs to be done so the people in those states do have some say in the nomination process. Otherwise we disenfranchise -- and piss off -- all sorts of voters who we may need in November. It's bad strategy to leave things as they are just because it will help sink Clinton faster.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
To ans. your second e-mail, remember this: if the super-delegates vote against the clear winner, and choose her the looser (if she is the looser that is), then they are disenfranchising ALL the voters of the United States! Why doesn't that bother her, but she is actually pushing for just that!! Mi. and Fl. should have protested before the primaries in their states, not after SOME of them voted knowing their votes were invalid. What are rules for, (this was a bad one, I agree), but still was agreed to and signed by all the candidates, and they must stand, unfortunate as it is, this is the game now. There is nothing short of a complete re-do for those 2 states that could be fair to both candidates, but then if Barack wins them, she will then say, "oh, well we can't really count this re-do, as it never should have taken place. These votes mean nothing." She will always come up with a new scenerio again and again in order to win at any cost, as she has already proven. Sheila
alexa
· 1 year ago
I won't be voting this time around. I hate them all.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
I can't imagine why you hate a decent honest person such as Barack. If it is that preacher thing, read Mathew 23:33-39, it is Jesus speaking, he kind of reminds me of the sermon that Rev.Wright gave. It has been Hillary who has made this such a mess, she has attacked Barack in every way she can, just to win dirty!! I would never vote for her, I will just stay home if Barack doesn't get it. I don't know what you could want more in a candidate than already has, nobody is perfect. He at least hasn't just made up a lie, as Hillary did with the Bosnia landing, that was a whopper and could not in any way just be a innocent mistake, no she on purpose just made up the whole thing.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
There are enough unknowns about Barack for there to be some legit questions as to how much different he really is from every other politician out there. And his consistent pandering to homophobes -- more than one mark in that column against him at this point -- bodes ill in terms of his real support for moving gay rights forward. Still, he has handled himself far better than many others in his position, and he clearly is a better candidate than McCain.
And staying home if your candidate (Obama) doesn't win is essentially saying you are okay with another 4 years of Bush-like rule in this country. It's a very bad decision on your part. Both Obama and Clinton have their positives and negatives, both are VERY close together in terms of policy and actual voting records, and both are VERY different from McCain. If for some reason Clinton is the nominee -- and it's a stretch at this point, but it could happen -- simply for the Supreme Court nominations and other federal judge appointments -- I would urge you to reconsider such a decision, it would be a disaster for the country to let McCain win.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
I agree that it would be bad for McCain to get in, and I understand why I should vote for Hill, but I do not know what else she is sincerely making up stories about. That Bosnia story was just made up, as she would remember being shot at, and if they find she has never run from bullets, then that is even further proof of it. Also, she has stretched the truth too far in the Ireland episode, and they say the child health care was also rather vague on her exact role, so if she is not to be believed, who knows she may also be very bad for America., maybe even as bad as McCain. She has acted like a spoiled child, and that would be also bad for America. I think she is just after the power, and does not care about the country, at this point. Anyway, bottom line is; I can not vote for a deceiver of this magnatude, and will just have to let the chips fall where they may. Howard Dean should have talked to her, about her telling lies, as it makes her unelectable to me and perhaps others too. Right now, she is working hard to get the super-delegates to vote for her, even if Barack has the most votes in all categories, and that is disenfranchising ALL the voters, and she was worried about just 2 states, now all the states would be involved, and she doesn't care about that, just her own desire to be president, no I can't vote for her. Oh, you did know about that threatening letter to Nancy Pelosi, demanding that she make a public statement that it is ok for the S.Delegates to go against the majority.? I could go on and on; but these tactics speak for themselves, and it says, DISHONESTY! Sheila
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
"It is 143 in the negative zone. Why do Obama's Democrats want to silence other Democrats?"
Is it because they're sock puppets?
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
All of the large Texas cities have now filed their votes from the Texas county/senatorial district conventions. Obama has a firm 10 percentage point lead with 57% of the districts yet to report. However, most left are small counties without many votes. What is taking them so long doesn't make sense.
So it appears that Obama will win Texas by even a greater pledged delegate count than what was predicted by the unofficial primary day precinct caucuses. I wonder WHEN the MSM will loudly announce that Obama WON Texas!
Houston's large District 7, majority Hispanic, went the for Clinton, the only one of Harris County's seven senatorial districts to not give their majority to Sen. Obama. Bexar County (San Antonio) is finally counted giving Clinton a total of 293 votes to 186 for Obama. Bexar County is 55% Hispanic and Hillary campaigned hard there. San Antonio also has several military bases and retired miltary so I am not surprised that Clinton got 61% of the vote there. However, the counties where Fort Hood is located, went for Obama. So there may be a different perception of the candidates between retired military and active and younger military, perhaps?
The state seems to reflect what happened in Houston (Harris County) where the Houston Chronicle found that 84% of Hispanics voted for Clinton, 85% of blacks voted for Obama, and whites are almost equally split between the two candidates.
Grantinhouston I wonder if the Clintons, and big Bill are doing something to keep this voting in Texas from getting finished? Why do they have so much power, do they own the Dem. party or something?? I am suprised that more people can't see through them? By the way, I e-mailed 3 news tv networks that passage in the bible, it was really good, and so true, I dared them to read it aloud on the air.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
sbhdawn,
You mean people can be expected to comply with that which they agree in writing to comply with?
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
I made an error. 57% of the Texas senatorial districts have filed their final vote tallies. ALL of the major cities have completed their counts with Obama winning strong in Houston, Dallas, Austin, and even their mostly middle-class white suburban counties surrounding them. The counties that have large colleges mostly went for Obama including conservative Texas A&M in Brazos County. Denton (North Texas State), McClennan (Baylor U in Waco NEAR Crawford) and Hays (Texas State) went for Obama. Only Lubbock County (Texas Tech) and Randall County (West Texas A&M) in the conservative Panhandle seemed to go for Clinton.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Henry2008
I really suggest you read this link. It makes it perfectly clear what Clinton and Obama agreed to in regards to Florida and Michigan. Clinton, and only Clinton, is now screaming about voters that didn't really seem to matter to her in September of 2007.
What we are seeing here is more exposure of the way in which Obama continues to win by suppression. He wins in caucuses where Hillary’s people can’t always show up for an effective counter haka. If these reports from Clinton delegates in Texas are verified, his team has engaged in intimidation and disorienting tactics to minimize the number of Clinton delegates who show up. He’s on Floridian’s and Wolverine’s permanent $#%& list for leaving them out of the most important election of their lifetimes. And his campaign is trying to discredit the legitimacy of the superdelegates even though neither Hillary or Obama can win without the uncommitted supers making a decision in favor of one over the other based on some other criteria than pledged delegates. His campaign is starting to feel the heat for screaming Why Won’t That Stupid B**** Just Quit? once too often. http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
Hector, Barack didn't make the rules for Fl. and Mi. all he did was agree to them as Hillary did, and they both sighned the agreement. Turn this around, if it was Barack that had gone behind eveybody's back and went to those 2 states anyway, got some votes, and now wants them counted, because he is behind in delegates and pop. votes, and has won fewer states, would you be sticking up for him to get those votes counted? I bet you wouldn't. And if he had told that big Bosnia lie on top of everything else, I bet you would want him tojust drop out, and you know this is true. Turn it around, then see how fair minded y ou reallyare.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
Hector, Would you want the super-delegates to vote for Barack, if Hillary was ahead in the delegates and the popular vote? Of course not, if she is ahead in all these races, they people have spoke, and they could not give it to Barack, but the same is true for him, if he is ahead in the delegates and the pop. votes, then they have to give it to him, THIS WOULD BE DEFFINATELY DISENFRANCHISING ALL THE VOTERS, and it would be they instead of the voters deciding the election., We might as well not vote anymore if after all the voting and campaigning and raising money, the people voted and then they just would disregard all the votes, and give it to the "loser????" That would be slapping our democracy in the face and make the deaths of all the soldiers in all our wars that fought for our freedom to have died for nothing!! Remember, the difference, there was an agreement for the 2 states, before any elections there, and the candidates agreed to it, that would not be the same at all if the super-delegates went agains all the voters in all the states.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Hennry has a way with words.
dula
· 1 year ago
S_Tokyo Yes, our Primary process has evolved over the years. It is a fact that whenever the Dem Party was divided going into the Convention WE LOST THE GENERAL. The more gracious candidates (like John Edwards) drop out when they know they don't have the numbers to win the nomination in order to save the Party from distraction and division.
OneManComotion
· 1 year ago
She has drawn the line...it is now time for the Superdelegates to save the party and side with Obama if we have a chance at all in November. Or, we can let her play out her game backing McCain to win this year for her bid in 2012. It just goes to show you how deep D.C. politics is when it comes to the "One Party System" that it is looking like as each day passes.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
OneManC- Why does she think she has such power?? By the way, that is what the Clintons are really after I think, POWER! I don't think they care about us or the country at all, they only care about getting what they want at any price, and they are making fools our of their supporters too.
OneManComotion
· 1 year ago
If you've made it to Washington chances are you have forged some pretty strong ties to various seats of power at many levels. I do feel for Hillary but, this sence of entitlement that she has is what is really hurting her. If people can not hear with their own ears the differences between these two then i am amazed.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
OneManC-
The Clintons are counting on the people's lack of intelligence, when they imply you should vote for McCain, hoping you won't realize that they are proving they don't care about the country, all they want is to win later on, and they are counting on their supporters being stupid, in other words, their supporters are being had, or made fools out of. They are probably laughing at them every day, knowing how well they are fooling them. It is sinisistererous!
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
I, sbhdawn, mispelled sinisterous, hope that is correct, need my dictionary!
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
I will vote against ANY Republican in November, regardless of which Democrat I must vote for, to do so.
dula
· 1 year ago
mike The only fair way is either to have another primary in Fla and MI (which the Party can't afford) or to just split the Delegates 50/50 which won't help either candidate. This might be one of those things in life that just doesn't have a solution. The voters need to be adult about it.
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
The original decision re Florida and Michigan assumed the penalty wouldn't matter because a nominee would emerge early on. That was the whole point of Florida and Michigan trying to move up the date of their primaries, to make them more relevant to the selection process. They got punished for that vain attempt. Ironically, we have no nominee in no small part because of it.
Does anyone here seriously think it wasn't a mistake to penalize Michigan and Florida? Let's hear it. I'm all ears. All I'm hearing now is "the rules are rules" and "Clinton agree to this too". So what? That doesn't make it any less of a mistake. The underlying assumptions of the original decision have turned out to be fantasy. Keynes said: “When the facts change, I change my mind – what do you do, sir?"
I think the Party needs to recognize its mistake. I think the best way to address this error and resolve it will be at the convention. The Superdelegates are also empowered to select a nominee. If they do so and let the mistake stand that's their right. But put yourself in the shoes of a Florida Democratic voter. How many times would you let your vote not be counted before you got royally pissed off?
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
sbhdawn. Most of the 43% unreported are small population counties. Maybe they rest their Pony Express steeds on Sundays since many seem to be in fundie areas.
I have been amazed that one can almost predict how a county will vote by looking at their place on the map of Texas. The only large counties yet to report are Anderson (Palestine), Collin (Plano and other Dallas white, middle-class cities which will probably go for Obama), Caldwell (Lockhart...suburban Austin), Chambers (Baytown...oil refineries, unionized), Cherokee (Jacksonville), Hunt (Greenville/Commerce), Polk (Livingston), San Jacinto (Cleveland), Titus (Mt. Pleasant), Tom Green (San Angelo), Upshur (Longview), Van Zandt (Canton), Val Verde (Del Rio), and Walker (Huntsville).
Of course Val Verde County, which is over 90% Hispanic will go for Clinton but most of the remaining should be near toss ups or even Obama counties. The Austin, Dallas, and Houston triangle (which has most of the state's population) has been very good to Obama as has northeast Texas. Southeast Texas which has many conservative timber workers, where even the KKK still operates, will hesitate to vote for a black man as Orange County showed. However Jasper County (where black James Byrd was dragged behind a pickup) went 7-5 for Obama. West of I-35 (the "Hill Country) seems to split with Hillary getting stronger the father west one goes in Texas and northwest into the Panhandle. However, conservative Taylor (Abilene...home of Abilene Christian U) barely went for Clinton. Many of the Red River counties bordering Oklahoma have gone for Clinton. The counties south of I-10 tend to have Hispanic majorities and they are going strongly for Hillary.
1) Indulge Fla and MI voters at the Convention and lose the General. 2) Piss off those voters and win in November. I know my choice. Some are never gonna get off that island.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Some are suggesting that Obama go ahead and let Hillary HAVE her delegates in Florida and Michigan as he will still be ahead in pledged delegates! Hillary only won 56% of the Michigan primary with 40% voting for undecided! The other two who left their names on the Michigan ballot were Kucinich who got 3% of the vote and Mike Gravel who got 1%.
Hillary only wanted to change the rules when she belatedly found out she was losing. You can be sure she would have kept her mouth shut about "disenfranchising Americans" IF the tables had been reversed or even if she was far ahead.
KatherineHepburnEyes
· 1 year ago
If you're told to not go into the room because you'll end up with your arms cut off and you go in the room anyways and end up with your arms cut off, who do you blame? The person who told you not to go into the room in the first place who was very explicit with the rules or do you blame the person who decided to go into the room knowing full well what would happen but is now squawking loudly because his or her arms are missing and he or she is upset about it and wants a do over with arms put back on?
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
dula,
I didn't realize you were clairvoyant. Perhaps you would do me the favor of picking stocks for my portfolio? I'm quite generous.
mush57
· 1 year ago
There is something about Barack that bothers me. I've been following politics since the Republicans ridiculed Stevenson for being too smart, an "egghead" . I'll probably vote for him if he gets the nomination, mainly because the brightest history teacher I had once said that you should find a general philosophy of life and then vote for the party that exemplifies it best. And yet, there is something about Barack that bothers me, maybe it's the practiced Kennedy mannerisms, there is something "holier than thou" about him, and I can't trust that. EVERY POLITICIAN LIES. SO WHAT!! he lied about his minister so what. she lied about Bosnia, so what. There is nothing bad about Hillary Clinton that hasn't been published in every paper in the USA many times over, And I'm still waiting for the next shoe to drop on Barack. Maybe he is GOD but I somehow doubt it,
Chimpeach
· 1 year ago
NO!!! here's the video proof of her dangerous Bosnia mission
I am reposting this again since it landed in the FIVE HOUR AGO section near the top of this thread!!!
Some are suggesting that Obama go ahead and let Hillary HAVE her delegates in Florida and Michigan as he will still be ahead in pledged delegates! Hillary only won 56% of the Michigan primary with 40% voting for undecided! The other two who left their names on the Michigan ballot were Kucinich who got 3% of the vote and Mike Gravel who got 1%.
Hillary only wanted to change the rules when she belatedly found out she was losing. You can be sure she would have kept her mouth shut about "disenfranchising Americans" IF the tables had been reversed or even if she was far ahead.
So Terry McAuliffe is crying "foul" over our Texas conventions. Sounds like Nevada when things don't go the Clinton's way. BTW, since Clark County (Las Vegas) never finished their caucus, they recessed and will resume on April 12th. Obama may win Nevada after all, just like he did Texas.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Looks like Hennry bottomed out at -155
Must be some kind of record.
angryafrican
· 1 year ago
Hillary - and her experience makes it count... Like Candy the Groupie winning the Grammy. Sorry Hillary - your experience in the White House doesn't count. Get the message - concede defeat. http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/29/and-the-gram...
dula
· 1 year ago
Thurston Your money doesn't interest me. But if you are so concerned about it perhaps you should call Chelsea. I hear she is a Hedge Fund Manager. The financial sector needs an influx of money now that the status quo is catching up with the average joe.
dula
· 1 year ago
angryafrican That was brilliant! Go to that link people and have a much needed laugh.
dula
· 1 year ago
ooops I meant go to the Chimpeach link...NOW
Sarrellec
· 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton is Bush in drag. She's a liar, delusional and completely cut off from reality. Remind you of anyone? In the first Demo Debate she announced she had every intention of maintaining a military presence in Iraq. Then again, so did Obama. Edwards and Biden made declarations they would END USA's involvement in Iraq, and they were ignored. She was bought off by the health insurance industry when she was First Lady. She lied to those people about her position on NAFTA. Isn't it clear that she is just as much, if not more so, of a self-involved sociopath as Bush ever has been. But then again, Obama's hero is Ronald Reagan. Democratic party? Where? Who? The only Democrats that were running were tossed out. Now we're stuck with a tranny Bush, a Reagan loving black guy or a genuine Republican who just happens to be a war-mongering crony-ist as well. Oh yeah...there's Nader. Like that helps. There's nobody folks. We're just sh1t out of luck.
Bluestocking
· 1 year ago
With all due respect, do we *really* need yet another person like George W. Bush in the White House? Someone who says, either in words or in effect, "I'm going to get what I want come hell or high water, I refuse to listen to anyone who says differently, and I don't care about the consequences." If Clinton doesn't get the nomination, what will she do then -- insist on running as an independent? I don't know that there would be any way to stop her from doing that if she chose to do so -- but it's a virtual certainty that this would split the Democratic vote, ensure a victory for McCain, and essentially guarantee another four years of Bush policy. Is *that* really what Clinton wants?!?!? If it is, then why doesn't she simply become a Republican and have done with it? Clinton needs to consider the possibility that what's best for Hillary Rodham Clinton and what's best for the country might not be one and the same -- and if they indeed are not, then she needs to come to grips with the fact that she is *NOT* more important than the country!!!!!
paul94611
· 1 year ago
In the words of another right wing ideologue: "So". We do not care what Hillary, Bill Chelsea or any other Clinton surrogate has to say. They are all as compromised as their candidate.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Keep attacking Clinton and you will see her supporters hardening more against Obama and going for McCain. You Obama supporters are reaping what you sowed.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Screw you Henry. Hillary supporters need to get on their knees and admit defeat.
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
No screw you. Btw, has Obama reached 2025. What defeat are you talking about?
tbhull
· 1 year ago
I will take great pleasure seeing you kneeling before the Obama campaign conceding the victory that is already here. You will support Obama? Are you a democrat or just a blind Clinton ass-barnacle that will vote for McCain when Hillary gets crushed at the convention?
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Umm. Obama might get the nomination, but he will lose the election to McCain.
What will you do if Obama does not reach 2025 and Hillary does?
I will vote for McCain not because Hillary did not get the nomination, but because he was always my second choice.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
And what are Hillary's chances of winning the fall election?
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
Yes. . .and you are a real Democrat, aren't you?
Hennry2008
· 1 year ago
Yes I am. I love my country.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
Hillary Clinton's concept of party unity: Nobody gets out alive.
Henry voted for Reagan? Wow - I am in awe of your progressive credentials. Thanks for helping to destroy the country.
Gary SF
· 1 year ago
Talk about crapping in your own bed. And Henry's claim that he will vote for McCain because McCain is his second choice proves that he's a Hillarybot. Ignore the troll.
Given that the Clinton campaign has run out of money and is stiffing businesses by not paying their bills, Henry is probably Hillary Clinton. They can't even afford bots.
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And we are in the "last throes" of the insurgency, too.
Here's proof (a video clip) that the Brits are a good 40 years ahead of us Yanks:
http://www.afterelton.com/blog/brianjuergens/to...
Al Gore was screwed and he deserves the position. Remember.............there's bad blood between Clinton/Obama supporters.......we need a neutral candidate to unite the Democrats............I'm voting for Al Gore............
Obama will not win the GE. Mark it down.
Clinton and her followers actually believe, just because the rules do not prohibit that the superdelegates thwarting the will of the people and stealing the election from Obama (assuming he has a pledged delegate kead and a popular vote lead, not counting Florida and Michigan unless there is a revote) is ok. Clinton is delusional and cannot face reality.
Clinton and her followers actually believe that they can get the Florida and Michigan results counted, even though Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan and did not campapign in Florida. Clinton is delusional and cannot face reality.
Clinton and her followers actually believe that by styaying in the race that is over that Clinton can somehow win. Clinton is delusional and cannot face reality.
The truth of Clinton's defeat surrounds her, but she refuses to see. So when the already present failure of her campaign slaps Clinton square in the face come Denver she cannot delude herself and the few that still blindly contribute. The awakening will not be pretty.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/30/91045/9...
Speaker Pelosi made that comment yesterday. Perhaps Clinton hasn't checked her inbox today. :-)
Symptoms
The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life.
There is a sense of entitlement, of being more deserving than others based solely on their superiority. These symptoms, however, are a result of an underlying sense of inferiority and are often seen as overcompensation. Because of this, they are often envious and even angry of others who have more, receive more respect or attention, or otherwise steal away the spotlight.
I can't wait for President McCain.
And this is just the short list? You really want all of that ... even HIllary said that that was insane!
btw - just signed up for an account for the first time. Registration is typically a somewhat laborious process (and at TPM, it's an utter joke). Thank you for making it truly simple.
I don't think she gets the mood of the American people this year - especially concerning incumbents. And the longer she stays in the race and produces her own version of "more-of-the-same" the more likely voters are going to be turned off. And believe me, right now they are VERY turned off over how our government doesn't conduct the PUBLIC'S business.
She could really cause some serious damage if the power lust continues.
As for Gore, he has said he doesn't want to get into politics again. If some well-meaning Dems tried to push him,, they'd wind up making him look like a damfool. Even those of us who supported him, suffered and ranted through 2001 because of him, are finding him a lot less desirable these days. Why relegate Obama to second place when he's earning first place AND has the respect of the opposing party?
This seems like an incredibly dumb thing for the Clinton campaign to do, on the heels of the threat to Pelosi, etc. Talk about "hardening" resolve! I predict this generates a nasty backlash. I really think she may have finally killed herself with this stunt.
But I've been wrong before!
So Obama has brought people back to the party, people who were raised with the real values of the Democratic Party. If Obama is not the nominee, I could never vote for Shillbilly, ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feat...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/30/85658/1...
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/074
And that candidate is Barack Obama.
Hillary Clinton only cares about Hillary Clintonl.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=...
If neither Mr Obama nor Mrs Clinton has the 2,025 delegates needed to win the nomination, and if both appear unable to beat Mr McCain, under one scenario a group of about 100 party elders - the "super-delegates" - could sit out the first ballot in Denver, preventing either candidate winning outright, and then offer Mr Gore the nomination for the good of the party.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-green...
This has got to stop.
Since John hasn't release the info he has I'm beginning to wonder if he wasn't threatened by the Clintons infamous get even blacklist
I don't either. But while we discuss the Obama-Clinton matchup on pages like these, it is good to be reminded there are people in smoked filled rooms who are NOT concerned with what WE THE PEOPLE want....
do you ever stay on topic?
The sickening thing is that the DNCC did not simply say they were stripping both states of all delegates, they gave each state another 30 days to resubmit a plan that moved their primary dates after Feb 5th. That means both states had 8/06 to 5/07 to submit a delegate selection plan as did all the other states PLUS an additional 30 days to rethink the boneheaded moves made by the state legislatures. We all know who really messed with the voters' right to vote in those states, but isn't it convenient to blame it on Barack Obama. Let's just go after the guy for following the freakin rules. Why in the world would we want to elect a candidate who abides by his morals and ethics and follows the rules, even when it's not politcally expedient for him. Please, dispute policy all you want, but let's stop posting bs and untruths that follow step with HRC and repub talking points!!
Looks like your clout rating went pretty far south.
Joe, you should have someone look at that bulging vein in your forehead... On to Denver!
Had I your tongues and eyes, I'ld use them so
That heaven's vault should crack. She's gone for ever!
I know when one is dead, and when one lives;
She's dead as earth. Lend me a looking-glass;
If that her breath will mist or stain the stone,
Why, then she lives.
Lear, act 5, scene iii
Hillary should quit and endorse Obama for the good of the party
For the good of the COUNTRY.
Meanwhile, this woman found an injured lion, took it home to nurse it back to health and then called a zoo. Here's how she's greeted when she goes to visit him:
http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html
Simply amazing what love and a little tender loving care can do. People who think animals are stupid are themselves stupid.
Meanwhile, this woman found an injured lion, took it home to nurse it back to health and then called a zoo. Here's how she's greeted when she goes to visit him:
http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html
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Take Hillary and your old money and retire somewhere warm while another generation takes us a few steps forward.
By pulling back coverage.
As long as they give her equal coverage to the nominees and treat her as a candidate still in the running, she will continue her delusions.
Remember, both Clintons crave the spotlight and need it like they do air. When they are deprived of the very thing they live for, they will finally face reality and move on.
Haven't we had enough?
Hillary and Bill are like the relatives that have used their way through the entire family then when there is no one else to use they turn on everyone that has helped them.
Hillary is willing to disenfranchise all of the people that voted for Obama by having the Super-delegates hand her the nomination but we better not disenfranchise Florida and Michigan voters because then the nominee will have no legitimacy, what kind of bullshit is Hillary trying to run past voters and the sad part is her people listen to her.
And they will, because they know whether she wins or not, Clinton will destroy the Democratic Party.
sorry to inform you but Pelosi has said the winner will be the candidate who has the most delegates...even if neither can reach the 2025.
You know Hillary will get the downticket Dems killed in 08 and slaughtered in the 2010 midterms.
Bubba left with fewer Dem Senators, Reps and Governors than when he started, and the damage he did to the Democratic Party is nothing compared to what Hillary would do.
Nope! Nope! Nope! She will offer the 2nd spot on the Republican ticket to McCain. On January 20, 2009, she will show up demanding to be crowned Empress Hillary the First, ruler of the Alpha Quadrant, who defeated the Borg, Cardassians and Romulans single handed, without even a starship, by the vast power of her mind.
This is why Americans cannot afford to have family dynasty's running the presidency because they feel that they are entitled to the presidency, voters be dammed.
That would be a terminal mistake for the party.
Has the HIGHEST negative ratings among all three candidates, and her negative ratings are higher than her positive.
Has the LOWEST ratings for the candidate who can most unite the country.
Has the MOST amount of baggage, and all this baggage will be brought out,
ad nauseum, if she runs against the Republicans.
Has attacked her fellow Democrat, and denigrated him, with Rovian like
dirty tactics, and ENDORSED and admired the republican nominee, over a Democrat.
Has played the fear (3am call, as far as I know Obama is muslim, etc) card, the victim card , and lied and exaggerated about her so called experience, and was caught doing so, and denied it, and later blamed he memory, and sleep deprivation (so she is memory challenged too?). She lied about the SCHIP, Bosnia, bringing peace to Ireland, and that is shameless.
She VOTED for the Iraq war, showed no regret about it, until a few weeks ago. She has voted with Bush regarding Iran, she has shown bad judgment, and we cannot have a President who is judgment and memory impaired.
All the dirty Clinton WH laundry, will be aired, again and again, and the Democrats, and the country, will feel they are back to that time.
Haven't we had enough of the Bush and Clinton families?
Isn't it time we had President who can unite and breathe fresh air
into our political system again?
Who wants to hear names like Lewinski, Norman Hsu, Peter Paul, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Marc Rich, Lincoln bedroom, Paula Jones, William Hubble, and others, for the next few year?
Hillary on her failed campaign: "I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong. I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started."
No, Bubba had a lead role in the downfall of the Democrats in the 90s.
That's obvious.
The Party leaders have said this won't go to the Convention. You don't believe them?
Personally, I think the Party leaders have let everyone down so far. The sanctions against Michigan and Florida have proved to be a debacle. I believe they would like to settle the nomination before the Convention. But if Obama does not reach 2024 delegates and Clinton does not withdraw the only thing the Party leaders could do to end things would be to change the rules. I could almost admire such an audacious move. But it won't happen because our party leaders are too Chickenshit.
So what? It just shows what a bunch of sleazeballs the Clintonites and their handmaidens like Penn, Carville, McAuliffe are.
Even if he loses, Obama won't kill the downticket Dems like Hillary would.
As the subprime mortgage crisis has spread, the volume of the business has soared, and firms that handle loan defaults have been the primary beneficiaries. Law firms, paid by the number of motions filed in foreclosure cases, have sometimes issued a flurry of claims without regard for the requirements of bankruptcy law, several judges say.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/business/30mi...
Ask Al Gore how that worked out for him.
That nasty side of her makes me lose all hope.
She also seems to be cash strapped at the moment, and not paying her bills.
It looks like the Clintons, with all the big talk about experience, and having a mighty political machine, has run a lousy campaign.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259....
Never again would she have so many superdelegates lined up before the thing even started.
If she tried again in 2012, she'd look like the Joe Lieberman she is.
Are the bloggers working on anything to get the remaining Superdelegates off the dime?
They should.
Putting up the 'volunteers" at the Ritz--bet those bills get paid.
Nevertheless, unless Obama should begin to back away from his commitment to ending US involvement in Iraq, I will most likely vote for him this fall.
They are clear about not allowing a knock down, drag out Convention. They will have the Super Delegate pledge before Denver if necessary.
Perhaps they will. And in that case Obama wins by the rules because he gets the required number of delegates. But if the Supers don't toe the line there's nothing our Leaders can do that I'm aware of.
The speech on race was fantastic. It was good enough to overcome the Rev Wright nonsense even in a very heated political climate in which Obama is being hit from two sides. All the naysayers in here did not listen to it, or the remarks from the press following it. Not a doubt in my military mind. Even the folks at Fox News had to pause in order to understand and reject the truth that they knew that they had just witnessed. It actually took Fox some time to find the proper sound bites for their news models talking points. Expertise in monopolization of perception is the largest propaganda tool of our free press. Hey, it sells.
Very soon it will be a mathematical impossibility for Hillary to win the elected delegate race. Very soon after that it will be impossible even with the delegates (she did not earn) from FL and MI. As soon as that milestone is reached, I predict that the heavy hitters from the party will step in to call it for Obama. It is the only way they can settle this thing without giving Hillary the ability to cry foul, even though she does not have the numbers today. If they call it too early, they run the risk of dividing the party more than Hillary is and hurting the general election chances of victory. Many of the supers and party leaders are waiting for the moment when they can say-
1) This was a race for elected delegates, and the person having the most going into the convention will get the majority of our support.
2) It is a mathematical impossibility that Clinton can overtake Obama in elected delegates at this point, therefore the only fair way to settle this is to give it to the person who won the election... Obama.
Some will need to wait for-
3) Go ahead and seat all the delegates Clinton earned from Florida and Mi, we want their votes to count. Still, Senator Clinton does not have the delegates to overtake Obama, so refer to #1 and #2.
This scenario leaves little wiggle room for Clinton to make any real argument without killing her name. I am guessing from what I have read at Ephblog, that you have had the epiphany? The Clintons do not care who or what they have to destroy to achieve power, they only care about themselves. That is why the party is forced to wait while McCain gains ground right now. That is why Hillary will not quit until the loaded guns pointed at her are certain to kill the Clinton brand.
Clinton is going to have no choice but to drop out. Even today, she is falling further behind in elected delegates with that is happening in Texas. It will not be long now people, do not fret. North Carolina ends this.
Good luck with everything. Honesty, hope and change!
My daughters were both big Hillary supporters. Now they just want her to leave the race and through her support to Obama. I am my girls are not unique. There must be tens of thousands wishing the same thing.
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Guess it helps that Obama's handling this in a classier manner than Hillary would be, or than I would be for that matter.
Hillary fights only for herself. If she fought for us she wouldn't have voted to authorize the Iraq war.
I'd say Shame on you Hil, but she has already proved she has no shame, so we can only watch the wheels continue to come off the wagon as she and her campaign and her whoremonger husband rush headlong towards the dustbin of history.
It's not Hillary's supporters that are the issue; it's her. She keeps filming commercials for John McCain.
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Yeah, it's funny.
Early on, I tried not to blame Hillary for her followers.
Then by New Hampshire and, certainly, by South Carolina, I realized Hillary was exactly like her followers.
Obama won Texas..BIG TIME!!
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/32023...
"NOBODY wins when a home enters foreclosure — neither the borrower, who is evicted, nor the lender, who takes a loss when the home is resold. "
Well, that use to be true. Back when banks who issued the mortgages held onto them for the life of the mortgage. Back then, banks did not issue mortgages that were unlikely to be paid back. But it doesn't work that way anymore. Mortgages are bundled and sold and rebundled and resold from investment corp to investment corp. And if you've issued high-risk mortgages, it's far better to unload them, take a smaller profit now. Thus, the high-risk mortgage becomes a bit of a game of "hot potato" or "musical chairs". Everyone inbetween makes money until the music stop. The mortgages continue to sell because they are supposedly "insured". When finally, the companies insuring those high-risk mortgage can not longer service its commitments, the tax payer then writes the check. No harm, no foul. In fact, EVERYBODY wins, nobody loses (well, except for the homeowner and the tax payer but that's an unimportant detail).
I can't wait until the debates between senile old McCain and Obama. What a hoot that's going to be.
Many are saying Clinton is a fighter, why then did she agree in 2007 to the DNC rules and now has a memory lapse? A fighter, in my opinion, doesn't agree to fight by the rules and then in the third round with several knock outs want to change the rules. That is not a "fair" fighter if you ask me.
Thanks for posting
The MSM can now officially stop saying Clinton won Texas
Obama will be another McGovern. Between the Independents, Reagan Democrats, Republicans, Evangelicals Republicans, and Hillary's Democrats, I really don't see Obama anywhere but going back to the Senate or being Gov. of his homestate.
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And Hillary's another Mondale.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/32023...
http://www.democraticcentral.com/showDiary.do?d...
I voted for Reagan, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush, and next election McCain.
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You voted for Bush's reelection, after the country knew he was an idiot.
That says it all.
Hillary and George are one in the same.
Hillary is willing to disenfranchise all of the states that Obama has won. Hillary is the best fighter that McCain has on his team
I voted for Reagan, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush, and next election McCain.
Then, you are a traitor to the US. Bush is a war criminal. McCain is insane. By your votes, you are trying to destroy the country. You should be ashamed.
Hillary Clinton's concept of party unity: Nobody gets out alive.
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She views it like she views her marriage.
The guy's showing himself to be a babbling idiot every day.
Either Hillary or Obama would stomp him in a debate.
Hasn't she already said it's a "good thing" for them to be bailed out, and tossed a bone to those homeowners who were hoodwinked by the mortgage bankers? Hey, Chelsea may have to get a real job; that is if hers is still there after she stops lying for her mother. No press questions, just plants, for Chelsea? How Clintonian..
The Democrats will lose.........with the two present dividers..........................................................
However, our Gov. Rick Perry did appear at the Senate District 14 convention in Austin to urge his fellow Republicans to pass a resolution showing support for the Boy Scouts of America against "increasing attacks" from "radical homosexuals, liberal extremists" and the American Civil Liberties Union.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/56592...
The Republicans aren't afraid of AL KAYDA, it's them RADICAL HOMOSEXUALS!
Thanks for clearing up the confusion. You're here shilling for Hillary but plan on voting for McCain. Got it.
As to Lieberman being Obama's "mentor in the Senate"? Yes, he was. Every freshman Senator is assigned a more experienced mentor to help him learn the ropes, and when Obama was first elected to the Senate in 2004, Lieberman had been his party's vice presidential candidate in the previous Presidential election and was still well-respected. And Obama loyally endorsed Lieberman when Lieberman was challenged by newcomer Ned Lamont in the CT primary, which I didn't like, since Lamont was the better man; but once Lamont won the Democratic nomination and Lieberman decided to run against Lamont anyway as an Independent, Obama notably didn't endorse him; he stayed out of it.
http://vichydems.blogspot.com/2006/04/joe-liebe...
However, Hillary DID support Joe Lieberman against the DEMOCRAT Ned Lamont and Lamont has now endorsed Sen. Barack Obama.
Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman
By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer | March 31, 2006
HARTFORD, Conn. --U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.
Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is considered a rising star in the party, was the keynote speaker at the annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner.
Lieberman, Connecticut's junior senator, is under fire from some liberal Democrats for his support of the Iraq War. He was key in booking Obama, who routinely receives more than 200 speaking invitations each week.
Some at Thursday's dinner said that while they were pleased with Lieberman's success in bringing Obama to Connecticut, they still consider Lieberman uncomfortably tolerant of the Bush administration.
Obama wasted little time getting to that point, calling it the "elephant in the room" but praising Lieberman's intellect, character and qualifications.
"The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraise
"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.
"My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants. Her name is on the ballot and she is a fierce and formidable competitor," said Obama, adding that the notion that Democrats have been split by the prolonged nominating contest "is somewhat overstated."
The Clinton and Obama attacks are hurting the Democrats.
I'm well-aware of Clinton's personal attacks on Obama -- whether in person or through her top campaign surrogates. But, please document Obama's personal attacks against her. Seriously, I'm not aware of them. Most of the damage for Hillary that I'm aware of has come from her own mouth.
Hillary is such a poor loser!
Nicho, nothing is going to hurt the Democrats. Who in their right mind will vote for Mc Bush. 8 years of Republicans running this country is enough for anyone. Their days are over unless we have another "FIXED" election.
I'm well-aware of Clinton's personal attacks on Obama -- whether in person or through her top campaign surrogates. But, please document Obama's personal attacks against her. Seriously, I'm not aware of them. Most of the damage for Hillary that I'm aware of has come from her own mouth.
Geez, we have to stop attacking each other. I'm an Obama supporter. Even so I'm aware that Obama has also attacked Clinton. Although you request that I document "personal attacks," when that's not what I said. I never said Obama had made personal attacks...only that they've attacked each other! Get it?
For example: Obama has attacked Clinton's Iraq vote repeatedly, he's attacked her veracity, one of us surrogates called Hillary a "monster". I could go on.
The point I was making wasn't about who's been worse: I believe Hillary has been worse. But that's beside the point. The point I was making that as long as Obama and Clinton attack each other, neither one of them is going after McCain. And McCain's popularity, by the way, is increasing as a result. While the two democratic candidates are going down.
I believe Republican money is behind Obama's huge amount of campaign funds.
In fact, it's been repeatedly reported that the majority of Obama's money is coming from tens of thousands of small supporters, such as myself, who are each donating on average $120.
The media are co-opting with the Clinton campaign to create a false sense that there really is a competition here. Of course, for the media to continue promulgating such a conflict is good for business. But if it weren't the famous Clinton family, do you think the media would continue to give so much coverage and prominence to a candidate who has no chance of achieving the majority of votes or delegates? The media stopped giving much coverage to Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee and Mike Gravel long before either dropped from the Republican race. Why? Because there was no money to be made in covering them.
The media may argue that the race between Clinton and Obama is so close it merits the coverage it receives. But in the end if a candidate who is behind but "close" has no statistical chance of winning, what difference does being close make?
Imploring Hillary to drop out is not necessary to put an end to this thing. If the media stopped covering every word she said, her campaign would dry up over night.
Wow. Your clout rating is down to -110 at this point.
BTW: Do you think you are actually accomplishing anything?
We have ample evidence to the contrary.
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Imagine what this Mess would be like as President?" Well, you don't have to. We have just endured 8 years of a President who doesn't have a clue of how he comes across, and never admits a mistake.
Seriously I never, ever, ever imagined she would sink so low. She is really plumbing the depths. She is very close to foreclosing on any possibility she ever becomes President. Hillary in 2012? Dream on. We have smelled her poop now and it aint good. One wonders that it's frankly Bill, here, who is the problem. He is really hurting her by telling her not to get out while she still has a small semblance of respect. (not much, however.)
Henry2008. You continue to repeat the Billarybot LIE, a false "talking point", that Michelle Obama has said she won't VOTE for Hillary. She NEVER has said such a thing and you probably know it. She only did not commit at this early date that she would ACTIVELY WORK for the Hillary campaign this fall if Sen. Clinton is the nominee. HOWEVER, Michelle said that ALL Democrats would support Hillary and she included herself. You might read her ACTUAL words instead of continuing the Billarybot lie.
First of all, Michelle Obama is the mother of two elementary school age daughters and she hasn't even been on the road stumping full time for her husband due to pressures from home and her job in a law firm. The Obamas only took a few days off last week to enjoy Spring Break with their daughters in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Hillary has the advantage of a three person brigade working for her, Bill and Chelsea stumping FULL time. If I were Michelle Obama, I don't think I could take off much time to campaign for Sen. Clinton, especially after some of the dirty tricks from the Rovian Billary organization.
Not being American, I am having trouble understanding something about the convention. I thought it was intended for selecting the party's candidate, and that therefore it's quite reasonable to have at least two potential candidates in running up until that time. Or is this another element of the US election system that has "evolved" over time?
You're acting very much like a sock puppet.
True, Sen. Obama was loyal to his mentor when Lieberman ran as a DEMOCRAT in the Connecticut primary. However, when Lieberman deserted the party and ran as an Independent, Sen. Obama no longer supported him. Sen. Obama showed loyalty to the Democratic Party over Lieberman's thumbing his nose at the party that "brung him to the dance".
In fact, Ned Lamont now supports Sen. Obama over Sen. Clinton after Hillary continued to back Lieberman AFTER he left the Democratic Party.
Hillary is not at all correct about Mi. and Fl. because she AGREED TO THE RULES, AND EVEN SIGNED THE AGREEMENT!! Are you saying, now after she agreed and also signed the agreement, (just because she went to those 2 states, knowing their votes would not count, and lots of people stayed home and didn't vote because they knew they wouldn't count eather) that just because she needs the votes, everybody needs to change the rules just so she can have a bette chance of winning??? Imagine this scenerio in a football super-ball game!! Of course the rules that are agreed to, need to be followed. She shouldn't have signed the agreement, how many times do we in real life sign things, change our minds, but too bad, we have to live with what we signed for. Same thing here.
against the clear winner, and choose her the looser (if she is the looser
that is), then they are disenfranchising ALL the voters of the United
States! Why doesn't that bother her, but she is actually pushing for just
that!!
Mi. and Fl. should have protested before the primaries in their states, not
after SOME of them voted knowing their votes were invalid. What are rules
for, (this was a bad one, I agree), but still was agreed to and signed by
all the candidates, and they must stand, unfortunate as it is, this is the
game now. There is nothing short of a complete re-do for those 2 states that
could be fair to both candidates, but then if Barack wins them, she will
then say, "oh, well we can't really count this re-do, as it never should
have taken place. These votes mean nothing." She will always come up with a
new scenerio again and again in order to win at any cost, as she has already
proven.
Sheila
And staying home if your candidate (Obama) doesn't win is essentially saying you are okay with another 4 years of Bush-like rule in this country. It's a very bad decision on your part. Both Obama and Clinton have their positives and negatives, both are VERY close together in terms of policy and actual voting records, and both are VERY different from McCain. If for some reason Clinton is the nominee -- and it's a stretch at this point, but it could happen -- simply for the Supreme Court nominations and other federal judge appointments -- I would urge you to reconsider such a decision, it would be a disaster for the country to let McCain win.
should vote for Hill, but I do not know what else she is sincerely making up
stories about. That Bosnia story was just made up, as she would remember
being shot at, and if they find she has never run from bullets, then that is
even further proof of it. Also, she has stretched the truth too far in the
Ireland episode, and they say the child health care was also rather vague on
her exact role, so if she is not to be believed, who knows she may also be
very bad for America., maybe even as bad as McCain. She has acted like a
spoiled child, and that would be also bad for America.
I think she is just after the power, and does not care about the country,
at this point. Anyway, bottom line is; I can not vote for a deceiver of this
magnatude, and will just have to let the chips fall where they may. Howard
Dean should have talked to her, about her telling lies, as it makes her
unelectable to me and perhaps others too. Right now, she is working hard to
get the super-delegates to vote for her, even if Barack has the most votes
in all categories, and that is disenfranchising ALL the voters, and she was
worried about just 2 states, now all the states would be involved, and she
doesn't care about that, just her own desire to be president, no I can't
vote for her.
Oh, you did know about that threatening letter to Nancy Pelosi, demanding
that she make a public statement that it is ok for the S.Delegates to go
against the majority.? I could go on and on; but these tactics speak for
themselves, and it says, DISHONESTY! Sheila
Is it because they're sock puppets?
So it appears that Obama will win Texas by even a greater pledged delegate count than what was predicted by the unofficial primary day precinct caucuses. I wonder WHEN the MSM will loudly announce that Obama WON Texas!
Houston's large District 7, majority Hispanic, went the for Clinton, the only one of Harris County's seven senatorial districts to not give their majority to Sen. Obama. Bexar County (San Antonio) is finally counted giving Clinton a total of 293 votes to 186 for Obama. Bexar County is 55% Hispanic and Hillary campaigned hard there. San Antonio also has several military bases and retired miltary so I am not surprised that Clinton got 61% of the vote there. However, the counties where Fort Hood is located, went for Obama. So there may be a different perception of the candidates between retired military and active and younger military, perhaps?
The state seems to reflect what happened in Houston (Harris County) where the Houston Chronicle found that 84% of Hispanics voted for Clinton, 85% of blacks voted for Obama, and whites are almost equally split between the two candidates.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pCVgf3tY...
I wonder if the Clintons, and big Bill are doing something to keep this voting in Texas from getting finished? Why do they have so much power, do they own the Dem. party or something?? I am suprised that more people can't see through them?
By the way, I e-mailed 3 news tv networks that passage in the bible, it was really good, and so true, I dared them to read it aloud on the air.
You mean people can be expected to comply with that which they agree in writing to comply with?
I really suggest you read this link. It makes it perfectly clear what Clinton and Obama agreed to in regards to Florida and Michigan. Clinton, and only Clinton, is now screaming about voters that didn't really seem to matter to her in September of 2007.
http://www.democraticcentral.com/showDiary.do?d...
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
Barack didn't make the rules for Fl. and Mi. all he did was agree to them as Hillary did, and they both sighned the agreement. Turn this around, if it was Barack that had gone behind eveybody's back and went to those 2 states anyway, got some votes, and now wants them counted, because he is behind in delegates and pop. votes, and has won fewer states, would you be sticking up for him to get those votes counted? I bet you wouldn't. And if he had told that big Bosnia lie on top of everything else, I bet you would want him tojust drop out, and you know this is true. Turn it around, then see how fair minded y ou reallyare.
Would you want the super-delegates to vote for Barack, if Hillary was ahead in the delegates and the popular vote? Of course not, if she is ahead in all these races, they people have spoke, and they could not give it to Barack, but the same is true for him, if he is ahead in the delegates and the pop. votes, then they have to give it to him, THIS WOULD BE DEFFINATELY DISENFRANCHISING ALL THE VOTERS, and it would be they instead of the voters deciding the election., We might as well not vote anymore if after all the voting and campaigning and raising money, the people voted and then they just would disregard all the votes, and give it to the "loser????" That would be slapping our democracy in the face and make the deaths of all the soldiers in all our wars that fought for our freedom to have died for nothing!! Remember, the difference, there was an agreement for the 2 states, before any elections there, and the candidates agreed to it, that would not be the same at all if the super-delegates went agains all the voters in all the states.
Yes, our Primary process has evolved over the years. It is a fact that whenever the Dem Party was divided going into the Convention WE LOST THE GENERAL. The more gracious candidates (like John Edwards) drop out when they know they don't have the numbers to win the nomination in order to save the Party from distraction and division.
Why does she think she has such power?? By the way, that is what the Clintons are really after I think, POWER! I don't think they care about us or the country at all, they only care about getting what they want at any price, and they are making fools our of their supporters too.
The Clintons are counting on the people's lack of intelligence, when they imply you should vote for McCain, hoping you won't realize that they are proving they don't care about the country, all they want is to win later on, and they are counting on their supporters being stupid, in other words, their supporters are being had, or made fools out of. They are probably laughing at them every day, knowing how well they are fooling them. It is sinisistererous!
The only fair way is either to have another primary in Fla and MI (which the Party can't afford) or to just split the Delegates 50/50 which won't help either candidate. This might be one of those things in life that just doesn't have a solution. The voters need to be adult about it.
Does anyone here seriously think it wasn't a mistake to penalize Michigan and Florida? Let's hear it. I'm all ears. All I'm hearing now is "the rules are rules" and "Clinton agree to this too". So what? That doesn't make it any less of a mistake. The underlying assumptions of the original decision have turned out to be fantasy. Keynes said: “When the facts change, I change my mind – what do you do, sir?"
I think the Party needs to recognize its mistake. I think the best way to address this error and resolve it will be at the convention. The Superdelegates are also empowered to select a nominee. If they do so and let the mistake stand that's their right. But put yourself in the shoes of a Florida Democratic voter. How many times would you let your vote not be counted before you got royally pissed off?
I have been amazed that one can almost predict how a county will vote by looking at their place on the map of Texas. The only large counties yet to report are Anderson (Palestine), Collin (Plano and other Dallas white, middle-class cities which will probably go for Obama), Caldwell (Lockhart...suburban Austin), Chambers (Baytown...oil refineries, unionized), Cherokee (Jacksonville), Hunt (Greenville/Commerce), Polk (Livingston), San Jacinto (Cleveland), Titus (Mt. Pleasant), Tom Green (San Angelo), Upshur (Longview), Van Zandt (Canton), Val Verde (Del Rio), and Walker (Huntsville).
Of course Val Verde County, which is over 90% Hispanic will go for Clinton but most of the remaining should be near toss ups or even Obama counties. The Austin, Dallas, and Houston triangle (which has most of the state's population) has been very good to Obama as has northeast Texas. Southeast Texas which has many conservative timber workers, where even the KKK still operates, will hesitate to vote for a black man as Orange County showed. However Jasper County (where black James Byrd was dragged behind a pickup) went 7-5 for Obama. West of I-35 (the "Hill Country) seems to split with Hillary getting stronger the father west one goes in Texas and northwest into the Panhandle. However, conservative Taylor (Abilene...home of Abilene Christian U) barely went for Clinton. Many of the Red River counties bordering Oklahoma have gone for Clinton. The counties south of I-10 tend to have Hispanic majorities and they are going strongly for Hillary.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pCVgf3tY...
2) Piss off those voters and win in November.
I know my choice. Some are never gonna get off that island.
Hillary only wanted to change the rules when she belatedly found out she was losing. You can be sure she would have kept her mouth shut about "disenfranchising Americans" IF the tables had been reversed or even if she was far ahead.
I didn't realize you were clairvoyant. Perhaps you would do me the favor of picking stocks for my portfolio? I'm quite generous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDP_u2YDrFA
Some are suggesting that Obama go ahead and let Hillary HAVE her delegates in Florida and Michigan as he will still be ahead in pledged delegates! Hillary only won 56% of the Michigan primary with 40% voting for undecided! The other two who left their names on the Michigan ballot were Kucinich who got 3% of the vote and Mike Gravel who got 1%.
Hillary only wanted to change the rules when she belatedly found out she was losing. You can be sure she would have kept her mouth shut about "disenfranchising Americans" IF the tables had been reversed or even if she was far ahead.
So Terry McAuliffe is crying "foul" over our Texas conventions. Sounds like Nevada when things don't go the Clinton's way. BTW, since Clark County (Las Vegas) never finished their caucus, they recessed and will resume on April 12th. Obama may win Nevada after all, just like he did Texas.
Must be some kind of record.
Your money doesn't interest me. But if you are so concerned about it perhaps you should call Chelsea. I hear she is a Hedge Fund Manager. The financial sector needs an influx of money now that the status quo is catching up with the average joe.
That was brilliant! Go to that link people and have a much needed laugh.
In the first Demo Debate she announced she had every intention of maintaining a military presence in Iraq. Then again, so did Obama. Edwards and Biden made declarations they would END USA's involvement in Iraq, and they were ignored.
She was bought off by the health insurance industry when she was First Lady.
She lied to those people about her position on NAFTA.
Isn't it clear that she is just as much, if not more so, of a self-involved sociopath as Bush ever has been.
But then again, Obama's hero is Ronald Reagan.
Democratic party? Where? Who? The only Democrats that were running were tossed out.
Now we're stuck with a tranny Bush, a Reagan loving black guy or a genuine Republican who just happens to be a war-mongering crony-ist as well.
Oh yeah...there's Nader. Like that helps.
There's nobody folks. We're just sh1t out of luck.
We do not care what Hillary, Bill Chelsea or any other Clinton surrogate has to say.
They are all as compromised as their candidate.
What will you do if Obama does not reach 2025 and Hillary does?
I will vote for McCain not because Hillary did not get the nomination, but because he was always my second choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R_SsR2Uvdw
Henry voted for Reagan? Wow - I am in awe of your progressive credentials. Thanks for helping to destroy the country.
Given that the Clinton campaign has run out of money and is stiffing businesses by not paying their bills, Henry is probably Hillary Clinton. They can't even afford bots.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259....
Bill and Hillary Clinton - at their core they are white trash politicians.