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Obama to ignore Hillary:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080508/pl_po...
"Obama to declare Victory on May 20"
:-)
http://agonist.org/schecter/?p=9748
i cannot WAIT until this Hillary shit is over.
why did hilary not WIN ALL the states as 65% of the population of america are WHITE?
I will now say this: If Hillary is anointed as the Democratic nominee I will NOT vote in the presidential portion of the general election. Period.
I would rather saw off my own arm than to pull the lever for Hillary.
I once held the Clinton's in the highest esteem, voted for Bill twice. But that esteem has now turned into nothing but absolute contempt for the both of them.
You hear that Hillary? You have forever lost two votes from this address.
STEP ASIDE AND TAKE YOUR AND BILL'S OVERBLOWN EGOS WITH YOU!
Obama '08!
For a second there I thought she would be classy and ease her supporters into supporting Obama, but this is just getting sick.
(No, I am not comparing Clinton to Manson, I am making the point that if a freak like Manson still has devotees, Clinton will have no problem getting SOMEONE to give her money).
I doubt that any, like the aritcle above, will be sympathetic to Hillary.
Anyway, I'd imagine HRC will delve into her vast repository of "experience" and "testing" to finally come to grips with her misdirected campaign...She could be a real power in the Senate and a social maven with the regular ear of whatever survives as punditry if only she'd use that lovely sunroom for a crafty salon instead of video studio.
I think pathetic was reached a while ago.
The Clintons are disgusting people. Go away and next time run for the GOP ticket, since under their rules, she would be their nominee by now.
Producer and HRC mainstay Harvey Weinstein is pushing a plan in which he would put together the dollars required to do primary re-votes in Florida and Michigan. He wants the blessing of key Democrats -- with their kneecaps intact or otherwise.
CNN describes two threats Weinstein reportedly levied in a call with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi yesterday:
"[A] person familiar with the phone call said what might have upset Pelosi is that Weinstein also suggested that if Democratic leaders 'did not fix' the Florida and Michigan problem, powerful Democrats may abandon the eventual party nominee in favor of Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, in November.
"But the three officials briefed on the call insisted Weinstein went further by suggesting that if Pelosi did not consider his proposal on the revote, he would help slow the flow of donations to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which works to elect House Democrats."
http://minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryI...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmUVr_Qt2Wg
And stop blaming it on Obama. HE didn't break the rules.
EDIT: not that Clinton herself set up the rules. I meant they were previously set up by the party. But they were agreed to by Clinton.
Right on.....thanks for that link
She is going to run about as hard as she has been running and will likely prod Obama about his electability because this is her only argument. Unfortunately, it's one of the most destructive she can make. If she wants to highlight how her stances on issues are better -- fine. But to talk about how he basically can't win in the fall -- that's wrong.
Hillary and Bill are going to kick & scream the whole way. They believe that if they do the right thing now, it would show a sign of weakness. They are going to fight on and the only thing that may change is that the attacks will be a little more subliminal. She won't say "my opponent", but you'll hear a lot more of, "I'm the only candidate who can...."
I'd like to see a balloon drop in Oregon for Obama when he officially wins the majority of elected delegates. She can complain all she wants, but the visual will say it all and the perception will solidify him as the nominee.
And very angry and nasty screeching that the incompetent, stupid, N---- loving Secret Service turned away her moving van from the White House.
As for Bill, I think he was tipped off by Hillary's lawyer that she intends to file divorce papers on January 20, 2009, at one minute after noon, after she is inaugurated. He intends to prevent that humiliation by having her locked away in Bellvue.
"Make this stop." What a joke. Hillary is the Queen of the DLC. If she wants to wreck the Democratic Party, she has the DLC's blessing. Go ahead Hillary. Spread your shit all over the faces of the true Democratic base. Show them who's boss.
I even said that it would be reasonable for Clinton to stay in until May 20th to end on wins and prehaps recoup some of the cash she's spent -but not if she's going to continue attacking Obama and certainly not beyond that date.
Maybe more people should do this to the supers in their states?
Also, I think we need to take a breath and look objectively at what's happening now:
Clinton's still courting her supporters for funds because she has to to retire her campaign debts. She's still talking about "winning" but this isn't hurting Obama, and I'll bet that (just as in her "victory speech" on Tue) there will continue to be a marked softening in tone -with little if any mention of Obama in her discourse.
Even her referring to WV as the next test is just typical political boilerplate and doesn't really damage Obama. She sees the writing on the wall, but a campaign that has gone on this long isn't going to be tied up quickly. After May 20th it's a different story.
I'd wait until then to start mercilessly bashing her -unless she starts attacking Obama again then all bets are off.
"My analysis of individual state polls shows that today Mr. McCain would win 241 Electoral College votes to Mr. Obama's 217, with 80 votes in toss-up states where neither candidate has more than a 3% lead. Ironically, Mrs. Clinton now leads Mr. McCain with 251 electoral votes to his 203 with 84 in toss-up states. This is the first time she's led Mr. McCain since I began tracking state-by-state results in early March."
A friend of mine who's been die-hard for Hillary from the beginning sees it this way, given the Democrats' history: Bill and Hillary Clinton are excoriated for doing anything to win... by people that will do anything to lose.
I don't necessarily agree with him, but I have to think there's a better way than these two candidates slugging it out or, as here, us slugging it out on their behalf.
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DAB... remember, you're quoting kkkarl rove.
first, examine the facts... hillary can't win the primary.
second, consider that even with rush limbaugh telling repugs to vote for her in both races yesterday... she still lost NC and ONLY won Indiana BY 2%!
the repugs want her to win... why?
because the TRUTH is opposite from kkkarl's statement. mccain stands a good chance of beating hillary... I don't think mccain stands a chance against Obama.
why? because he represents change. hillary is starting to align more and more with the far right side of moderate... leaning into regular repugnican territory.
if people want REAL change in Washington, they won't vote for mccain OR hillary.
last point, kkkarl lies about EVERYTHING... why would you consider his analysis unbiased or truthful??
His column goes on to say that once we've finally settled, officially, on Obama, he'll get a big bump and lead McCain. (And then he adds his and McCain's expectation that McCain would come back from that, same as GHWB did against Dukakis around the same time. I wouldn't be so blithe about that if I were him, however.)
All I'm saying is that BOTH Obama and Clinton -- AND THEIR SUPPORTERS -- need to be focused on beating John McCain this November IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. Not on winning the nomination, purifying the Democratic Party, or any of the other things we seem to think we'd rather do. I agree that one of the best ways this could be accomplished would be for Hillary to drop out now. But just because she won't drop out isn't a reason to turn getting her to do so into our primary concern or objective. There needs to be some jujitsu maneuvers here by Obama (which I think he's doing pretty well) and by his supporters (which I think we're not) if we're going to neutralize her, win back her supporters, and win the Electoral College votes this November.
It is sickening. I don't understand why she is still on the ticket.Why shouldn't she be relegated to a write-in candidate? Kucinich (who I would LOVE to vote for, even more than Obama) had to drop out when it was just starting practically. Other candidates. it would be a HUGE mistake for Obama to offer to pay Clintons debts, or offer vice to her, it would look weak, and would look like a payoff. Mc Cain would (quite rightly) have a field day with that.
I would love to see a woman president. Hillary is not it though.