DISQUS

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

Yes, she's beginning to exhibit all the qualities that make George W Bush so eminently despicable.

Rab · 1 year ago

I made it in, I thought I'd never get into this.

hector · 1 year ago

Al Franken: “There’s a new progressive majority that’s emerging in this country…. We know what we want. We want universal healthcare, we want an economy that works for everybody, we want a green economy that creates jobs, we want a world-class education for all our kids, and we want to restore our standing in the world, and that means getting out of Iraq.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

Clinton is getting very desperate, and it's showing in these shameless attacks. You'd think Obama was a Rethug...oh wait, that's Clinton, isn't it? She sure seems to love their tactics against another Dem.

theWalrus · 1 year ago

The real question is: what effect *will* PastorGate have on Obama's electability? Some polls suggest it has unfortunately had a negative impact. HRC is capitalizing on that.

I asked in a previous thread - just how did the whole Pastor thing come to light? Can someone tell me? Thanks.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Not sure, but the timing could be a clue. For it to advantage the Republicans, they would have waited until he was securely declared the nominee and released it in Oct when damage control would have been most difficult. The Clinton camp is desperate to sway super delegates and is running out of time. If it walks like a duck.....

Human · 1 year ago

I don't remember. I think it started with Rush and then was picked up by the MSM and played over and over.
Peace.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Team Clinton has been known to leak to Drudge. Then there's that budding friendship with Murdoch....

Sanders · 1 year ago

You are kidding yourself if you think this is even 1/10000 of what they have. The GOP aren't stupid. They have tons more stuff on Obama. It would be absurd for them to release the crucial stuff yet. They are waiting until the Democrats themselves perpetuate the new meme about the evil Clintons and how they destroyed the Party with their corrupt legacy of crimes, scandals, and attacking the sanctity of marriage. Once Hillary is defeated, then they will slowly release an avalanche of dirty tricks against Obama. By the end of it, he will be lucky to have as much support as Ralph Nader. Mark my words.

High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago

Sanders,

I think you may be on to something. As ive noted before i think Obama is being set up as a patsy.

The question you should thinking about this as well: Would anyone really want the job of President in 2008. The eoncomy, illegal occupation, white house crimes, and complicity of the DEMS in this is outrages. Who would want to clean up that mess???

+ High Crimes & Misdemeanors

Rab · 1 year ago

Hillary never had any high road in her. Its how she would be as president.

dad · 1 year ago

Have you no shame, madame.

Ben Dover · 1 year ago

Give it up Hillary, your lies and deceit catching up with you. NOW is the time for you to step aside, for the good of the party.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Ben, Hillary and her supporters could care less about the good of the party.

Rab · 1 year ago

This flap will blow over and make Obama insulated when McCain throws dirt, by then the media will turn on grandpa and the dems are in.

theWalrus · 1 year ago

Ahh, the good old days (and I mean old) when thinks were so much simpler....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/ts_nm/sex_dc_1

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Just what the world needs. Another secretive President who doesn't feel a need to answer questions from the nosy Americans. Lovely.

Human · 1 year ago

They will try to seat the Michigan and Florida Delegates. When it come to Ugly and Hillary, just wait til the Convention. Agent Provocateurs Galore will be there. Peace.

Lilly · 1 year ago

Obama is fighting a three front war --Hill, Bill and McCain. And for that I blame the Democratic Party elders who refuse to tell the Clintons that it is OVER. Right now the Clinton campaign strategy is to destroy Obama. If they can't win, then they don't care if the party goes down to defeat in November. It is time they were SHUT DOWN.

Tom3 · 1 year ago

Hillary is just as dirty as Chimpy and his thugs She is stealing plays from the Rove playbook. How can she be better than the Repukes when she is just as bad? The more I hear of Hillary the less I like her.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

John, all of the blogs need to get together to coordinate an email and calling campaign to Pelosi. This is ridiculous it has gone this far.

mdg650hawk · 1 year ago

Anyone notice how every single answer to every single question she is asked always starts with "Well...?"

Sanders · 1 year ago

This reviving of the "popular vote" meme is the same joke that Clinton associate Al Gore tried to pull in 2000. We have got to defeat Billary and let Obama take the leadership that he deserves. If Obama is not given the nomination, most of the people I know will leave the Democratic Party for good. Throughout their careers, both Clintons have lied and deceived the American public with their failed plans for the economy, for health care, and for the military. Bill Clinton is despised by the vast majority of soldiers because of his attempts to weaken our military readiness and cut veterans benefits. Now Billary proposes to do the same thing. Both of them were at the forefront of engineering anti-gay legislation like DOMA, DADT, and the Marriage Amendment.

Barack Obama is the ONLY candidate with the right to proceed in the primary procedure since he has surpassed the needed threshold of votes necessary to garner the nomination. Shillary needs to get out of the way and stop shaming the Democratic Party with her socialist garbage. She'll never outlive the blue dress scandal and the newly released logs prove that she was in the White House and consented to Bill's adultery. Do we really want someone that immoral in the White House?

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

I have to say, Sanders, that Clinton is no socialist at all. She's just all about as much power as she can grab. Like Bush. And he's certainly no socialist, but a fascist.

Sanders · 1 year ago

LOL, good point. I've always respected gay journalist Matt Drudge for going against those who were politically correct and having the guts to expose Bill Clinton with the blue dress. Shillary is even worse for standing by an adulterous husband. Now this masculine woman wants to push her way into office and it's sickening. Obama's people were right to call her a "monster".

Human · 1 year ago

Hi O&W. Fascists are Socialists. That is for the Corporations. The latest bail outs (by way of auctioning dollars way below current rates) is one example. To put it another way, Privatize Profits and Socialize Costs. The American-Iraq War is another good example of that. Peace.

naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago

I am one of those Democrats who will leave, and I have just changed my voter status from non-affiliated to Democratic in order to vote for Obama in the Oregon primary. Instead of making a separate comment here, I would just like to say that if Clinton is behind the Wright story, it really needs to be outed and proved.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Sanders, I am totally with you on Hillary's need to put ambition aside and end this before she destroys our party, but come on, being home when you husband cheats doesn't mean she was complicit. That's the kind of garbage that will get her supporters to dig in further. When you attack a woman for something her husband has done that only serves to create a pack mentality of women who will rally around the one being blamed. There isn't a woman alive who doesn't know personally what it's like to be cheated on. Some forgive and stay, some don't. It's no ones damn business! All you accomplish is prolonging their loyalty, not because they see their support as detrimental to our party, but because these ridiculous comments make it personal TO THEM. Stick to the arguments that favor us as a unified party and leave the attacks out.

Thurston Howell the Third · 1 year ago

Don't the rules say that in order to secure the nomination a candidate has to win a certain number (ie 2025) of delegates? I get confused because I keep reading here that Obama has already won, it's over, the fat lady has sung and left the room. How many delegates does he have today? Oh...

Sanders · 1 year ago

Obama already surpassed the number of votes needed for victory two weeks ago. Never in the history of Party Primaries has an opposing candidate kept fighting after another candidate achieved the necessary votes. Billary, just like her corrupt husband is still in it because of her ego. She and Bill trashed the White House with their endless scandals and now they want to do it again. She is breaking every precedent by continueing and she has no right to persist. The GOP was right back in the 90's when they revealed her and Slick Willy as the slime they are. If she weasels her way into the nomination, I would rather let McCain win.

MimsyBorogove · 1 year ago

Obama is nice, but has he paid the price,
2,025 delegates in the Long Race?

Do tell.

None at the Tea Party do,
far as I knew,
hence the Red Queen still madly apace.

EdSikov · 1 year ago

Just trying out the new system. Wanna see if my picture is a good likeness.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

Ed, you devil.

Human · 1 year ago

Gorgeous. Just Gorgeous.

EdSikov · 1 year ago

Thanks!

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

happy to see you made it. i was beginning to miss you.

EdSikov · 1 year ago

How does this work? Are you replying just to me or can everybody see these replies?

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

everyone can see

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

All replies are being shown on my screen, at least, so take it easy, doll.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

Ed, great, but pluck the eyebrows...

EdSikov · 1 year ago

They ARE plucked. I used to look like Walter Matthau.

nicho · 1 year ago

Not a good picture. You look like Trudy Julie-Annie.

lynchie · 1 year ago

There is nothing left to admire about the Clintons. Bill at best was an opportunist. He benefited from the dot.com explosion when everyone was making tons of money, lots of taxes being paid and we were flush with dough. Bill faced few real challenges other than being impeached for getting a hummer. He did go after the welfare recipients, he signed NAFTA to make his corporate buddies happy, involved us in Kosovo, but was focused with his personal interest in all things "DICK". Because of the dot.com surge we had a surplus but it was not necessarily due to any of his fiscal responsibility. The Clintons as I said were opportunists whose purpose in life was themselves and all things Clinton. They have not changed and to allow them to continue to attack and dismantle the Democratic Party shows how little regard they and the Partly Leadership have for the rest of us. I did not start out a supporter of Senator Obama. I contributed time and money towards Edwards, I liked Kucinich's message but he was quickly marginalized and dismissed. Given where we are right now I like Senator Obama but am starting to believe that this is just a big illusion. Pastor Wright lives in a country with freedom of speech. A right which allows Rush and Bill'o and Gringrich and Hannity the right to lie, twist and spin at will and it also gives Pastor Wright the right to his beliefs whether we think they are wrong or not. What another man says is not within Senator Obama's control. My own dear Mother was a racist and a bigot. I did not respect her for her beliefs but i also still loved her for being my Mother. We all know someone who is wrong headed about things but that doesn't mean we ignore other traits that we love and respect.
The Clinton's need to shut up, be happy they are multi millionaires, be happy they got Chelsea a job not requiring an ounce of training apparently and go away into the night and enjoy their lives.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

Can we leave Chelsea out of this? Why make it so easy for people to come to their defense. The Clinton's record and actions make our case for us. No need to piss off a bunch of protective parents.

lynchie · 1 year ago

The Clintons brought here into the campaign . Then prevented anyone from questioning her. She was put up the Mom and Pop to represent the first time voters. I am not attacking her just pointing out that the rules have always been different for the Clintons and they represent the rich in this country. For them it is about nepotism and position not intelligence or qualifications.

bill__free · 1 year ago

does anyone need the code for youtube to display in High Defination?
or is this old news??

FNReedie · 1 year ago

I'd need it!

Chris From Maine · 1 year ago

I think this post I made over at my blog is very relevant right now :

Why John McCain Should Not Be Elected President

http://achorn.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-john-mcc...

Jcooz · 1 year ago

You want to blame someone? Blame the RIGHT person. Hillary didn't let this story leak, Bill didn't, not even McCain. It was Sean Hannity. He' s been on this Rev. Wright campaign for over a month now.

John, just what do you expect Hillary to do? Do you honestly believe that if the shoe was on Obama's foot, he wouldn't do the same? She's still in this race and you expect her to just lay down and die. That's not how it works. She didn't cause this problem. Wright did and Hannity made it a story. Your blatant bias towards Hillary doesn't suite you.

lynchie · 1 year ago

Hannity may have started it but Hillary is shoving it up everyone's behind.

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

i believe his bias is against hillary. and she has earned it.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

We expect Right wing sleaze. For it come from the Clinton's against a fellow Dem is unforgivable. She is attempting to destroy a guy she teases her audience she'd have as a VEEP. What part of that confuses you? She's part of the "establishment" that has destroyed this country. In order for her to win, she has to steal it with a back room deal. Tell me you don't support circumventing the will of the people who voted. If she pulls this off, she will be telling everyone who voted for Obama (including the tens of millions of first time voters under 30) that there is no point in voting. The "establishment" will decide for us. And we thought our democracy was under assault by the Republicans!

MarxMarvelous · 1 year ago

A pretty funny Hillary video - reminds me of jibjab - http://jokelibrary.net/yyPictures/m/2008b.html

Dumbo · 1 year ago

"Given this ugliness, Clinton also loses the ability to feign any kind of moral outrage over Florida and Michigan."

Joe you are wrong! They will NEVER lose their ability to feign! NEVER!

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

ed: disqus seems to default to emailing you any replies to your posts - that can be reconfigured if you choose.

EdSikov · 1 year ago

I've gotten several replies but no emails.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

Obama is running against two Republicans McCain and Clinton and in a head to head match between the two Republicans in November John McCain would win. The Democratic party leaders need to step up to the plate and put and end to this now before Hillary drowns this party and we also end up losing house and senate seats.

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

donna brazile suggested this afternoon that the rules committee needs to meet and impose a resolution of the florida and michigan delegations.

EdSikov · 1 year ago

I agree that it's vile, but I'm not convinced that any politician would act differently. And I think that Joe and John should state what they plan to do if HRC is our nominee. Will you support her or just hand the election to McCain?

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

i'd vote for her, but i wont support her.

EdSikov · 1 year ago

The differences between the Democratic candidates and McCain are stark. Why wouldn't you support the Democrat?

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

For the supreme court alone I'd vote for her over mccain. I voted for her on February 5. I am very disappointed with her campaign strategy.

tofubo · 1 year ago

don't agree with the framing of the question

i'll vote 3rd party, i cannot vote republican, and i will not vote for hillary

MimsyBorogove · 1 year ago

If the Momraths Outgrabe the Dems, it will be more Jabberwocky for years! Out the rabbit hole I say! Nay to 3rd parties - at least this tea time.

SarainKC · 1 year ago

There's always Nader.

Human · 1 year ago

I only registered Democrat so I could vote against Hillary come April 22nd and campaign for Sen. Obama. My 1st pick dropped out. Since then I've really come to like Sen. Obama. One thing for sure, he ain't "One of Them". I will not vote for Hillary for the same reason I did not vote for Bush. I don't like NeoCons. How anybody with a progressive bone in their body support or vote for Hillary is beyond me. Her campaign has revealed what she truly is.
Peace.

nicho · 1 year ago

Is there a real difference? Seriously. She's secretive. She's heavily into the big corporations for lots of money. She's tied closely to a world-domination right-wing religious cult. And she thinks that one of the duties of the president is to "carry out the wishes of the people of Israel," or so her spokesperson said yesterday.

OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago

I must confess it's easy to post here, but the navigation back and forth to the main page really is awful...and replies are located down where the original post resides. Not sure I like that, either.

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

Don't forget you can simply click the "Check to have links open new windows" box at the top of the blog to make the comments open in a new window, so you don't have to go back to the home page, it will already be open.

sherifffruitfly · 1 year ago

Thank god for threaded comments.

sherifffruitfly · 1 year ago

I do wish they weren't displayed backwards tho.

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

You can change settings in your account.

Tom3 · 1 year ago

"replies are located down where the original post resides. Not sure I like that, either."

Don't use reply then Use the Add New Comment box instead. It makes your post a brand new one at the top of the heap. I prefer this way, it keeps the posts in order by time posted.

nicho · 1 year ago

Yeah -- but totally disconnects them from what you're talking about, which simply replicates the mess we had with Hell-o-Scan, which was like trying to make a coherent story from scraps of paper you found lying scattered around the room.

EdSikov · 1 year ago

So this is a new comment. TESTING, TESTING... This is only a TEST!

primero · 1 year ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4

Rab · 1 year ago

this will take awhile to get used to

EdSikov · 1 year ago

How do you refresh the comments? Do you have to hit the reload page thingy or does it do it automatically?

bumpkis · 1 year ago

F5 works....

MimsyBorogove · 1 year ago

Like the doormouse, you have to nudge it darling. For shame. Slow as treacle.

The little yellow "new comment" bar was quite the tart in comparison. And we loves tarts.

MimsyBorogove · 1 year ago

Oui - apprently this new discus thingy is like the doormouse. Asleep!

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

still missing: nigel and jeff

firebrand · 1 year ago

Wow this is different

WeDODeserveTheTruth · 1 year ago

I guess I shouldn't be shocked to see this story go unmentioned on Americablog...

Clionton takes lead over Obama in national poll:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23725259

I think the Rev. Wright controversy is taking its toll.

nicho · 1 year ago

I guess I shouldn't be shocked that a Hillarybot misses a whole thread that discusses that flawed story in great depth.

WeDODeserveTheTruth · 1 year ago

And I guess I shouldn't be shocked that an Obamanation believes everything he reads on this sad, sad excuse for a blog...

Human · 1 year ago

You deserve the truth. The story is posted 3 threads down. Put your hand on your knee. It jerking all wild like.

grandma · 1 year ago

I miss the yellow bar letting us know when there was a new comment(s)

I guess we have to keep refreshing the page?

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

yes

grandma · 1 year ago

Okay......thanks !!

jm2 · 1 year ago

It was either Winston Churchill or Harry Truman who said, "If I had a choice between a nice guy and a son-of-a-bitch, I'd choose the son-of-a-bitch. It's the son-of-a-bitches that get things done in this world." Both of them certainly got things done. Both of them used anything in their means. Pity if either of them didn't get ugly in 1945...

jm2 · 1 year ago

It was either Winston Churchill or Harry Truman who said, "If I had a choice between a nice guy and a son-of-a-bitch, I'd choose the son-of-a-bitch. It's the son-of-a-bitches that get things done in this world." Both of them certainly got things done. Both of them used anything in their means. Pity if either of them didn't get ugly in 1945...

Dumbo · 1 year ago

Oh my God...

Lanny Davis says in the Washington Post today that we could have a McCain-Clinton unity ticket.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_ar...

Ricky · 1 year ago

John, will there be a solution for links like this that cause the screen to widen and become a nuisance to try to read?

Human · 1 year ago

test

kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

Give me. . .the PRECIOUS!

JayR · 1 year ago

Again. She can take the nomination but can't with the general. She's lost the black vote, maybe forever. Attacking a black preacher who is fired up about imperialism and oppression and who is using biblical (literally meanign GOD DAMN) rhetorical devices is going to lose the black church vote. That's a big voting group. The only people who defended Obama and Wright on national TV, who were identifiably political, where McCain and Huckabee. That was very smart of them.

scooter in brooklyn · 1 year ago

i don't really think she can even taken the nomination anymore. this is just the chicken running around after its head has been severed.

flypsyde · 1 year ago

Are you implying that all black people vote as a unanimous, unthinking group? Such behavior would be, well, sort of RACIST, don't you think?

JayR · 1 year ago

There would be nothing unthinking about us black folks doing such a thing. It would be quite thoughtful.

PeteWa · 1 year ago

None of this surprises me.
Clinton is a soft right repuke, always has been, always will be.

bumpkis · 1 year ago

Lanny Davis says in the Washington Post today that we could have a McCain-Clinton unity ticket

I want some of what he is smoking....

naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago

I think that is an excellent idea. It's where she really belongs, and she will not take many Democrats or independents with her. The Republicans are already voting for her in our primaries ("Operation Chaos"). It will be good for Obama to be fighting one corporatist/war mongering ticket instead of the two fronts he is having to fight on right now.

gustavmahler · 1 year ago

Chelsea is fair game in my book. They have pimped her out to talk about her mother but she refuses to answer any questions from the press. Does Obama have someone out there that no reporter can question? If you want privacy for Chelsea then you cannot pimp her out to have her talking for you.
So Hillary now ignores questions she doesn't like, is this what you want in a president? I can't image Obama ignoring a question. Hillary is using gutter tactics to try to steal the nomination from Obama. Obama will have more delegates, states and possible popular votes at the end, how can you deny him.
Now Hillary is pushing the 'popular vote' meme. It is possible she will have more popular votes because Penn. is a huge state. But how do we elect our president? Not by popular vote. The rules and the system are set up for a delegate win, this is what Hillary agreed to when she thought she would win by Feb.5th. She now wants all the rules to change to favor her because she is behind. Is this what we want in a president? I prefer someone open and honest even if he has a few faults. Even Huckabee stuck up for Obama, wow a Obama/Huckabee ticket?????? lol By the way, I am really, really, really disappointed that Edwards has not spoken up by now.

primero · 1 year ago

A new Franklin & Marshall poll in Pennsylvania shows Sen. Hillary Clinton way ahead of Sen. Barack Obama, 51% to 35%.

Key finding: The poll shows the percentage of Democratic voters who view Obama favorably plunged by 10 points since last month's poll. His unfavorable rating jumped from 16% to 25%.

FNReedie · 1 year ago

Exactly what Hillary wants ... to bring Obama's negative up to hers.

Caro · 1 year ago

Is it your position, Joe, that Democrats shouldn't have found out about Rev. Wright until the general election? Do you truly believe that we shouldn't have had this information available before making up our minds who to vote for?

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

FNReedie · 1 year ago

I don't know why Obama and the United Church of Christ are not answering the Wright issue by simply saying that in the UCC people are free to think for themselves. In every congregation there are many people that do not agree with the pastor but believe in the mission of the church. UCC is about godly service as much as it is about god. And Trinity does a lot of good for the community. Period. End.

I guess people are too used to denominations that do long let people think for themselves.

laketahoeblue · 1 year ago

Clinton's tactics may be shameless, even desperate, but they may also be effective in helping her achieve her goal.

flypsyde · 1 year ago

Ummm...what is the problem? BO's association with Wright is at the least a legitemate electability issue. How is it out of line for the Clinton campaign to push that angle as part of an argument that she is the superior choice?

She's using every play in the book to try to win. Good for her. It's about time a Dem came along who will do so.

rabond · 1 year ago

Joe, I think it's amazing that you are so "shocked" by Hillary. No wonder the Repubs laugh out loud at so many liberals. Clinton is absolutely correct, the story will haunt Obama if he is the candidate. No wonder she shrugged. Only an uninformed UNTHINKING person, who is focused on winning, would as such a silly question.
The Republicans are very successful in winning with racism, or have you been on Mars for the past 30 years? If Obama were President, I would be very happy indeed. But I don't think he can win this time. ........and we must win. The Republicans will, again, use a scorched earth/take no prisoners campaign. While people like you are "shocked" in your unreal view of the world. I'm sorry, but Mr. Hussein Obama will be destroyed by the Republicans. Hillary has shown that she has their number and will not go down without dialing non-stop

robertarhodes · 1 year ago

Has anyone answered the question, who made the 10 second clips that have been blasted around the world of the Rev. Wright and distributed them? Was it the Clinton campaign? They would be the immediate beneficiaries of Obamas destruction but I haven't read anywhere who the original pusher is.
Who did it?

jrh69ca · 1 year ago

This is the story that needs to be posted everywhere Clinton wants to talk about Rev. Wright.

If Clintion's campain wants to talk religon then let's look at her religous affillations to the right leaning Capitol Hill group known as the “Fellowship”. I find the information in these two articles far more disturbing. To me she is more like the stealth fundamentalist Christians who are trying to turn the US into a Christian fascist country intent on dominating the world…

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich and here:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09...

MimsyBorogove · 1 year ago

A Caucus Race and a Long Tale: A Dodo decides that the birds and animals should dry off with a Caucus Race, which has no rules except to run in a circle. After half an hour or so, the race ends and everyone wins, which means they all get prizes. Alice gives out her comfits as the prizes, and the Mouse tells Alice his long and sad tale of why he hates cats, which Alice misinterprets as "tail." The chapter ends with Alice alienating the participants of the race, resulting in her being left alone once again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice's_Adventures...

MimsyBorogove · 1 year ago

Frumious. And the Bandersnatch isn't even aware yet.