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AMERICAblog: CNBC: It could be a great time to buy stocks!

  • Ozone · 10 months ago
    Could be a great time to take a toaster into the bathtub too.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    "And where exactly is that stability?"
    ---

    probably hiding in the closet with consumer confidence.

    .
  • lucky hussein · 10 months ago
    I never watch cnbc anymore, just screaming heads making no sense - for the most part. Pro-corporate cronies takiing no reponsibility for what they put out there, ala Kudlow.. I recommend watching the european shows, much saner.

    There is never a shortage of TV market cheerleaders regardless of anything at all....
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    PBS and BBC. that's it for news.
  • lucky hussein · 10 months ago
    Screw PBS, they are full of it. Seriously, it's also corporate controlled and guided. They get away with some stuff, but within limits. If you must do american TV, it's gotta be 'democracy now' on most cable/satellite. Don't know about bbc.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    "Advice" on 401ks today on one local channel, at a time when lots of folks have seen their plans deteriorate up to 50%:

    1. Don't move anything in your 401k.

    2. Even if your employer matches, increase your own contribution.

    3. If your employer doesn't match, increase your own contribution.

    They haven't robbed people enough, I guess. And anyone who becomes unemployed will probably, at some point, have to dig into their 401k to pay all their bills and save their house, if that's possible.
  • Forty2 · 10 months ago
    2 and 3 are good advice, if you ignore 1 and put it all in the safest thing offered, ideally a treasury-backed money market fund, then a plain MM fund, then a guaranteed-interest option. Most 401ks offer at least one of these. Mine only offers the last one, so that's where I went in Sept '07. I still contribute the maximum allowed per year and it just keeps growing. I know, the return sucks, but that doesn't matter in a bear market. The idea is return OF capital, not return ON capital. Of course if you're already down 50% then you're essentially fucked and might as well just stay where you are.

    Gary Flam's middle name isn't Flim?
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    actually, that's not bad advice... when you take money out of your 401K, most of the time they'll slap you with 20% penalties first...

    then you have to pay taxes on the full amount you withdrew (PLUS the 20% they took off the top).

    if you invest more when its low, it'll pay off more when it finally does go back up.

    the problem is, with the employment situation (as you mentioned), people losing their jobs HAVE to grab that money to live on.

    one of the things that I'd heard some of the Dems mention for stimulus was no penalties for early withdrawl from your 401K.

    haven't seen any legislation on that though.

    help the little guy out... but only a little.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    When was the penalty raised to 20%? I've had 4 of them, all minor amounts, and except for the last two, (when I was over 59-1/2 and they were less than $1500 w/no penalty), the penalty was 10%, plus tax, and reported on 1040, got some of the tax back. Had to cash them in because unemployment ins. was so low in NC.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    might vary depending on age/ state... not sure.

    this was the last one I cashed out of, in California... %20 off the top.

    the one I cashed in when I left NY didn't have that much in it, but it was still around %15... luckily, I didn't wind up filing in NY... and somehow they never tracked me down for state income taxes (probably was making too little then, can't remember.)

    in California, I cashed one in for 14K... got a check for 11,200.

    had to pay income tax on the whole 14k though.

    sucked heavily.
  • Forty2 · 10 months ago
    Oh, and while today might be a great time to buy stocks according to the whores on CNBC, tomorrow you might have Cramer screaming SELL! SELL! all red-faced and spitty.

    Margin call, gentlemen.
  • Nylund · 10 months ago
    I'm not quite serious, but I've become so cynical that it crosses my mind that this is what they are really saying:

    Wall St.: "Hey, all the stocks we hold are plummeting in value. Lay people, please start buying them all up en masse to drive up stock prices. Once they go up a bit, we'll sell our holdings at the artificially bumped up price. Of course, our sell off will drive down the value of your portfolio, but John Q. Public doesn't mind taking another hit for our boys on Wall St., right?"
  • Forty2 · 10 months ago
    No, that's pretty much how it works.
  • cojonudo · 10 months ago
    "The best time to buy is when there is blood running down Wall Street." If you have anything beyond a 5 year investment horizon, it actually is a very good time to invest selectively for the long term. If you have lost 45% off your 401K, you are not even going to come close to even recovering that by leaving your money in a 2% money market account. Everything is on sale, including some stocks. Why do we tend to buy everything under the sun when it is on sale except for stocks?
  • example · 10 months ago
    Actually this is the best time to buy. Problem is everyone's already been wiped out and doesn't have any money, so that's kind of a drag.
  • AngelaChanning · 10 months ago
    While I agree that CNBC plays the cheerleader role too often, this is a good time to buy in increments. If one dollar cost averages, these purchases will certainly lower the average cost.

    But ideally, it is really about having a diverse portfolio that is appropriate to your age, financial goals and tolerance for risk. My mother is retired, and I have 40% of her money in US Treasuries, 28% stock, 20% money market and 12% in corporate bonds. Yes, she has taken a hit but certainly not as bad as others. She counts herself among the lucky that she is not worried because her portfolio is balanced and conservative. It also helps that she lives really frugally. As an older person, she has seen a lot of market swings. She said this is the worst she has seen but realizes the markets will eventually come back. She also realizes that while in the middle of a market meltdown, it is hard to imagine when we will get out of it. As Suze Orman recently said, we are going to become a pay as you go society. Thank you for listening.
  • tbhull · 10 months ago
    CNBC is a fraud. They never say sell and always say buy,.

    Take a gander Alexander:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b0a_1232747931
  • devlzadvocate · 10 months ago
    Great time to buy . . . unless the markey hasn't yet hit bottom. If bottom is 5,000, not so much.

    Reality is nobody knows what the hell to do. Everyday is a crapshoot.
  • William Jensen · 10 months ago
    What a load of crap. Bankers as victims. No one in the entire mortgage chain cared about the creditworthiness of the buyer.

    They assumed the value of the loan's collateral - the home - would cover the loan should the borrower with no job, no income and no assets failed to pay the loan; not realizing that their irresponsibie behavior artificially increased demand, which had the effect of increasing the price of property.

    And then? All the persons who couldn't pay back the loan did just that - they didn't pay and homes started coming on the market in record numbers. Supply for homes increased, demand decreased, and now the collateral isn't worth th eamount of the loans. And who pays? Me and people like me, who lived within my means. Fuck.

    And now the bankers blame the credit bureaus? Those poor bankers.
  • midasbob · 10 months ago
    Gary Flam??? How about flimflam? They make it just too easy.
  • ComradeRutherford · 10 months ago
    The stock market is a wealth-transfer system in which the middle class buy stocks, handing cash over for pretty pieces of paper, and then the obscenely wealthy turn in their pretty paper and receive all that cash.

    CNBC's 'report' is actually just the outrageously wealthy begging the middle class to 'buy' more stocks so the wealthy can steal it.

    Commenter, 'Older and Wiser' has some 401k advice, which is also a request from the incredibly wealthy asking the middle class to leave whatever money they have left in their 401k plans so the wealthy can steal it all.

    The stock market is a high-class mugging. Smart people will stay away from that scam and keep their own money for themselves.

    If you already are in the stock market, it's a lot simpler if you just make a check out in the amount of everything you own to someone that doesn't deserve it, like Bernie Made-off.

    Remember, the house always wins!