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AMERICAblog: Conflict in Georgia - good backgrounder

  • LunaStick · 1 year ago
    Those Gawdamned Russians and Georgians! Going to war over oil is OUR schtick!
  • enemes · 1 year ago
    Russia is not going to war over oil. Unfortunately, world media has never covered atrocities committed by the Georgians towards people of Assetia and Abhazia. Was it not Georgians who provoked this conflict by essentially launching a campaign of ethnic cleansing against Assetins? Just days ago Georgian military killed close to 2000 people (many of whom were women and children) in the capitol of Assetia. Most of these people were citizens of Russia. Sakashvili, while democratically elected, is a dictator that suppresses his opposition and has no regard for human rights. How do I know? I still have a large part of my family living in Georgia. It is not pretty. The man is paranoid. Stalin paranoid. BTW, Stalin was an ethnic georgian. So was his henchman Beria.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    I expect this any hour: "How DARE Obama loll around in exotic Hawaii, that tropical eden, when he should be "on top" of this crisis back in real, normal America like Sen. McCain is. Why is he in Hawaii when he should be being presumptuously Presidential?"
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    Good questions.
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    McCain has no business yakking about this either. Bush is useless, but he is still the president and McCain is a Senator, NOT the Sect of State.

    The issue here is McVain, thinking the world wants to know what he thinks/
  • hardeknox · 1 year ago
    In a speech today, he mispronounced Shakashvili three times in under a minute.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Georgia hasn't seen this much trouble since General Lee burned Atlanta.
  • unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago
    If Confederate generals were burning their own cities, that might explain why they lost the war.
  • Zorba · 1 year ago
    Ummmm....unrepentant is correct. Sherman burned Atlanta.
  • itsallpossible · 1 year ago
    A good friend of mine who is 22 is on his way back to Georgia on Friday and is a member of their military reserves. He has lived within conflict through his lifetime and there is a whole generation of men that is dead in Georgia from the last conflict(a little over 10 years ago). He was here working with me at an environmental non-profit that brings youth leaders in environmental work to the U.S., but now is afraid he won't be able to use any of the skills for a long time. I guess its hard to sell people on caring about the environment when your house is getting blown up. What's our excuse in the U.S. again?
  • AdrianBrowne · 1 year ago
    24 Hours A Day Headlines:

    What Does Conflict in George Mean for McCain?

    Conflict in Georgia Could Spell Trouble for McCain Campaign

    McCain Campaign in Chaos Over Russia/Georgia Skirmish

    McCain Appearing Weak on Confrontation with Russia

    McCain Calling for Diplomacy with Russia (Kinda Like Appeasing Hitler)
  • steve303 · 1 year ago
    So Saakashvili invades a semi-autonomous province for greater Georgian nationalism and the Russians respond more forcefully then he thought they would, and now the Western powers are suppose to bail him out?

    The Bush administration has been purposefully ratcheting up tensions with Russia for years -- unilaterally dropping the ABM treaty, the attempts to place missiles in Poland and other Eastern states, and the attempts to recruit former Warsaw pact members into NATO. What did these people expect Russia would do? The people of South Ossetia carry Russian passports, and see themselves as part of the Russian ethnically Ossetian province.

    So with no diplomatic credibility left, the US and NATO have no options left but to either suck up Putin's expansion into greater Georgia, or declare war on Russia. Of course, some of the greatest of the administrations thinkers have made up their mind.
  • JetSetter · 1 year ago
    The Caspian Sea lies above one of the world's largest groups of oil and gas fields. As the Caspian Sea is landlocked, the transportation of oil to Western markets is complicated.

    Georgia's section of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline was constructed by a joint venture of France’s Spie Capag and US Petrofac Petrofac International. The Turkish section was constructed by BOTAŞ. Bechtel was the main contractor for engineering, procurement and construction.

    http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/news/arms_build_up...

    11/Nov/2007

    Georgia is preparing for a US-financed war against Abkhazia and South Ossetia. That is what the country's military build-up reveals, according to a leading journalist and political analyst from Geneva. Since the current regime took power, Georgian military spending has effectively increased by over forty times and now has the highest growth-rate of any country in the world.

    A journalist, who is a regular contributor to Le Monde Diplomatique, points out that since the "rose revolution" of 2003-04, Georgian military spending has effectively been increased by over forty times. The majority of Georgia's arms purchases are financed directly or indirectly from Washington. Salaries for Georgian soldiers have also repeatedly been paid for by American taxpayers.

    " - The recent announcement in Tbilisi to increase Georgian military participation in Iraq from 850 to 2,000 comes at a time when most European nations have already started withdrawing their troops, and the Bush administration is under political pressure in Washington to come up with its own schedule to decrease troops," explains Cheterian. He also points out that another 150 Georgian military serve in Kosovo. This is an area where NATO-led troops keep Serbia out, and where the United States State Department is actively pushing for the right of self-determination to override the territorial integrity of a metropolitan state, Serbia.

    The pipeline cost US$3.9 billion. Approximately 70% of BTC costs are being funded by third parties, including the World Bank's International Finance Corporation, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, export credit agencies of seven countries and a syndicate of 15 commercial banks.

    It has been proposed that oil from the BTC pipeline may be transported to eastern Asia via the Israeli oil terminals at Ashkelon and Eilat

    Follow the money, pay attention to the players.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    Excellent. Thank you for this comment, JetSetter.

    This is the story and it has been all along: getting the BTC pipeline laid to Israel ports. To accomplish it, Lebanon was destroyed, Syria was neutralized, Iran is next.
  • bumpkis · 1 year ago
    There are reports that dead american mercs and-or US special forces are being discovered among the Georgian dead. US and Israel have been the driving force behind Georgia pol-mil forces...

    "Somebody" on the Georgian side fired the first volley, and I doubt they were Georgian nationals....

    They kicked the Bear in the balls, and now he is mad. What did they expect?
  • bebacker · 1 year ago
    yup
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Exactly.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Looks like Pootie Poot just kicked Bushie's Caucasus proxies in the ass--big time!
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Glenn Greenwald interviews professor Charles King on the Russia/ Georgia conflict
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/radio/20...
  • donotmakemecomedownthere · 1 year ago
    Pretty funny stuff...

    Parts of McCain Georgia speech were plagarized... from Wikipedia!

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/20...
  • falloch · 1 year ago
    Apropos the Caucasus and US role: 'The pretence that Bush is leading the country has seemingly been abandoned altogether. Cheney is in charge now.' See www.globalresearch.ca article by MIke Whitney and other articles as well.
    I tried linking one earlier, but Glasses Guy said link didn't work out. But good background stuff on recent US-Georgian military exercises in July, and oil pipeline geopolitics.

    I cannot believe how irresponsible is Cheney et co. They will do anything to achieve their goals vis-a-vis Iran, and that includes stirring up trouble on an almost inconcievable scale. Can you imagine US reaction if Russia had started joint military exercises in Canada, and afterwards left hundreds and hundreds of 'military advisers' , plus weaponry after that exercise was over?
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    You heard that McCain's speech on Georgia was cribbed from Wikipedia, didn't you?

    Check out Huffpo and Kos for the details.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Fox News says the Russians have invaded far into Georgia.

    And are now encircling Atlanta.
  • bebacker · 1 year ago
    Russia is NOT invading. It is RESPONDING! The Neo-Con led leadership of Georgia along with the Israeli led military INVADED RUSSIA.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    The article precisely reveals that the USA has, under the Republicans, been rendered impotent by two forever wars and a national bankruptcy. Georgia is only the tip of the iceberg created by the most damaging administrative incompetence in our lifetimes. How on earth can any decent -thinking voter even consider more of the same? Only the irrationality of the " hidden factor " could explain the possibility.
  • bebacker · 1 year ago
    Georgia with MASSIVE help from Israel U.S. Marines and contractors INVADED Russia. Stop passing on misinformation. C'mon John. Pay attention.
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    JOHN MCCAIN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL HIM/

    Bush is useless, but a Senator has no business making the bellicose statements he has been making because he is NOT the Pres, NOT the Sect of State, NOT the ambassador to Georgia, he needs to STFU.

    Again, just imagine if Obama had put himself into this mess the way McCain has. Presumptive would be kind.
  • paulbe · 1 year ago
    Hasn't Russia's prompt response to Georgia's stupidity been punishing. I'll bet all those Israeli advisers the Georgians use to train and operate their (apparently useless) military are scurrying for the exits. Whispers of American "mercenaries" among the dead too. if Russia gains control of Georgia through this they will have a friendly border (Armenia) with Iran. That means ground troops can enter in the event of attack by America and/or Israel on Iran. (Most likely Israel, they're idiot enough). And John, don't fall for this bullshit American line about Russia being the aggressor. We are sick of American media bullshit artists, and we know to expect better from you.