DISQUS

AMERICAblog: Congressional leaders promise that Hillary won't go negative on Obama

  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    I'm waiting to pounce.
  • constantcomment · 1 year ago
    kinda hard to go negative on a positive. but then again when you are bipolar like some in here, that's easy.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Not to worry. When Hillary goes negative Conyers will admoiish her to quit in a fancily worded letter tbhat will most surely have no effect.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    admonish
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Good, maybe we will get to see Hillary minus Mark Penn, McAwful and Wolfman and a host of negative Rove wannabes.
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    They are content. How long are they going to be content?

    June 4th is my limit for them to be content.

    If they are content after that date, they will simply be stupid fu*kers.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Meanwhile soon to be newlyweds Jenna and Harry:

    bought a two-story, red brick, 128-year-old, $440,000 row house in Baltimore. The nearly 2,000-square-foot house "is believed to have been a dry cleaners and a candy shop," has exposed brick walls, a fireplace, hardwood floors and an attached garage.

    http://www.statesman.com/life/content/life/stor...
  • Sugapea · 1 year ago
    John, I will be soooo happy when your blog goes ballistic on destroying the GOP's McSame.

    The vitriol and hatred focused within the Dem party has been very unsettling!
  • bill__free · 1 year ago
    can someone list who the holdout superdelegates are, the state they are from and the position they hold, if any.
    i want to know who to vote against in the 2010 dem primary.
  • constantcomment · 1 year ago
    100,000 dead in burma??? good start on reducing human overpopulation. it's not like the carrying capacity of this planet has been exceeded by homo sapiens by a factor of 3 or nothing.
  • Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago
    Wow some one from the Zero-population crowd is saying what they really think!
    Good on ya buddy!
    I don't agree with the statement but I like the fact that you are willing to tell it like (you think) it is!
  • barryL · 1 year ago
    Old Billary and Slick Willie may 'say' they aren't going negative, but it is up to us to demonize them in every way possible. During the 90's, we ignored the warnings of Limbaugh and others that the Clintons were the most corrupt slime imaginable. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

    Our only consolation is that after Obama loses badly to McCain, we can join the bandwagon and scapegoat everything on the Clintonistas. The reputation of the Democratic Party now depends on perpetuating the GOP meme that the Clintons were/are to blame for everything. Some of us will be quietly giggling as you once again fail to take responsibility for your hateful fanaticism when the great Saint Obama loses due to slick negative ads from the Republipigs.
  • constantcomment · 1 year ago
    and that shrimp you recently bought. well. guess what ??? the mangroove destruction that it took to bring it to you table is a direct result of your purchase. so you killed a few humans.
  • cmpnwtr · 1 year ago
    What a crock! What a bunch of lily livered enablers! No wonder we're still in Iraq, dying and going bankrupt!
  • debrazza · 1 year ago
    They've already gone negative,

    Harold Ickes: "beware the Obama October surprise"
    Harold Wolfson: "Obama can't win because white people are racist and won't vote for him and we don't care about black voters"
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Obama will make McCain look like a senile old fart.
  • Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago
    I am hopping that McCain will have a MAJOR CVA before the convention so we have a chance to put in somebody that can inspire republicans,
    McCain is a dead fish.
    But I guess that is why you chose him for us.
  • ChairmanMo · 1 year ago
    we'll be sending our readers to demand that the congressional leadership keep their word and put an end to Hillary's petulant fairy tale


    Getting a little pushy with our power aren't we, dear?
    Get a grip.
  • caliny · 1 year ago
    Mich. Dems settle on delegate-seating plan to bring to DNC
    Clinton won the Jan. 15 Michigan primary and was to get 73 pledged delegates under state party rules, while Obama was to get 55. The state also has 29 superdelegates.

    The state party's executive committee voted Wednesday to ask the national party's Rules and Bylaws Committee to approve the 69-59 delegate split when it meets May 31. The plan would allow the state's 157 delegates and superdelegates to be seated at the convention.

    A separate plan submitted to the rules committee by Democratic National Committee members Joel Ferguson of Michigan and Jon Ausman of Florida, both superdelegates, apparently will be withdrawn now that the Michigan executive committee has settled on the 69-59 plan. Under their proposal, delegates would have been allocated based on the primary election results, but have had only half a vote each. The superdelegates would have had full voting rights.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080508/ap_on_el_pr...
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Busboy

    I would really like to see Hillary without all the input from those guys. Maybe she is what I think but what if she is not? As pissed off as that woman makes me (can't use hate anymore) I would like to see the Hillary without all the bad advice. If she is a true politico she should be able to run a campaign on issues.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Speaking of racism, FOX news has it down pat. I was aghast to listen to their panels talk about "Blacks this" and "Blacks that" when discussing Obama while working out. I rarely watch that channel unless forced, too, but some FOX - Corporate Propaganda Media sheep had changed the gym television to them during yesterday's coverage. It was shameless racial histrionics with them, and they also threw in a bunch of outrageous stuff about class and status of the working middle class!
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Mirth

    You have been here awhile and you too Busboy. Didn't constantcomment have a couple of different names before this new Disqus thing?
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Busboy

    I don't know, maybe, but I still would like to see Hillary without all the "advice". As far as Obama, can't/ won't agree to that, just don't think so. I was impressed he disagreed with the gas tax holiday when it would have been so easy to pander the same thing to get votes.
  • shanobama · 1 year ago
    Empty suit?

    Look at what the Republicans say..David Brooks:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Newsjunkie2007
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Busboy

    Nite and sweet dreams about how you are going to convert to being a Democrat.
  • magster · 1 year ago
    Here's your negative comment, she couldn't even last a day:

    "Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/7/23742/84...

    Can you believe that? hard-working Americans = white Americans. Implying that Obama's support is comprised of shiftless lazy minorities. This is the most blatant race bait yet and it's straight from her mouth, not even a surrogate.

    Where's my pitchfork?
  • dula · 1 year ago
    Watergate-Era Judiciary Chief of Staff: Hillary Clinton Fired For Lies, Unethical Behavior

    As Hillary Clinton came under increasing scrutiny for her story about facing sniper fire in Bosnia, one question that arose was whether she has engaged in a pattern of lying.

    The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary"s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther " and goes much deeper " than anyone realizes.

    Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy"s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation " one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman"s 17-year career.

    Why?

    "Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in an interview last week. "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality."
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
  • risa87 · 1 year ago
    Jerry Zeifman doesn't even hold up under a quick Google.
  • donotmakemecomedownthere · 1 year ago
    Come on, all you SuperDuperDelegates! Get your act together! It's not like this is a black and white issue!
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    "It's not like this is a black and white issue!"
    ---donotmakeme


    any colour you like!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T04im0MLqrw
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    Here I am again, getting my hate on for the Clinton campaign.
    I will not be free until she retires to Paraguay with the rest of the Neocons.


    She is so many different things to so many different people.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-OO0xqTe4
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    radio plays that forgotten song
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    na-na-na-na
    na-na-na-na
    hey hey
    goodbye!
  • donotmakemecomedownthere · 1 year ago
    Hey _TROLL: this one's for the Hillbots.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De9No1idr_g&feat...

    There's a battle ahead
    Many battles are lost
    But you'll never see the end of the road while you're traveling with me....

    Hey now.. don't dream it's over
    You know that they won't win - never let them win...


    Now I'm towing my car...
    There's a hole in the roof....
  • SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago
    Sweet!



    Where will the Hillbots go after Hillary do you think? What is the next logical step in their evolution?
    :)
  • Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago
    The one hit wonder from Crowded house. Ahhh. The the old days.
  • donotmakemecomedownthere · 1 year ago
    Hey _TROLL: Ever fallen in love with someone you shouldn't have fallen in love with? (schnark)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZHCTIDwrw&feat...

    Won't Get Fooled Again?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3mi-bKtDGA
  • donotmakemecomedownthere · 1 year ago
    Even Geo. McGovern appears to be more lucid than John McCain. What's their age diff?
  • Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago
    Q: Have you ever loved somebody you shouldn't have?

    If I said the name you would never believe me. But yes I did back in 1998. She was pretty, smart, seemed to have deep feelings, great in the sac and also (unfortunetly) had a husband. I was hart broken when she said good buy. This was when I made my torshus interference rule: No husbands and no kids. It prevented me from getting into something that had the chance to be disrupted by a third party. (A child or Husband)
    For all the good it did me.
    Soon as I find the right woman she gets cancer...
    You know some times you just cant win. No matter how hard you try...
    I understand how Hillery feels.
    It kind of stings like a leach...
  • dad · 1 year ago
    This would have been a perfect arrangement.

    Had they made it in February.

    When this thing was first over.

    Before it took on such a negative tone.

    lead-ers?
  • MorgaineSwann · 1 year ago
    Why is Congress always 6 months behind the rest of the country? Don't they have computers or cable TV? Won't "go" negative?! That happened months ago, culminating in South Carolina when Bill started race baiting. I used to love the Clintons, but now I hate the sight of them. I'm so sick of their behavior, and the behavior of people like Paul Begala and James Carville, I almost wish Obama would go third party. The Democratic leadership needs to step in NOW and tell Hillary to go home.

    I'm getting fed up with the big names who haven't endorsed yet, too. Al Gore? Wes Clark (who I'd like to see in the VP spot with Obama)? JOHN EDWARDS?! I understand not wanting to run afoul of the Clinton machine, but we have to get serious if we're going to beat McCain in November. Never forget that the Republican's still control the voting machines. We have to turn out such huge numbers that they don't dare try to steal it. We've only got 5 months.

    Obama is more than a candidate - he's the personification of a movement. He needs to have the nomination set in stone if we're going to maximize the growth of the movement. Hillary is holding it back. She needs to get out of the way, and do it now.
  • Chino_Blanco · 1 year ago
    Too late. Already happened.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2...

    "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

    "There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

    Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/...
  • Chino_Blanco · 1 year ago
    How the African-American presidential vote split through the years between the Democratic and the Republican candidates:

    1984 Walter Mondale 90% Ronald Reagan 9%
    1988 Michael Dukakis 90% George H.W. Bush 10%
    1992 Bill Clinton 83% George H.W. Bush 10%
    1996 Bill Clinton 84% Bob Dole 12%
    2000 Al Gore 90% George W. Bush 9%

    The percentages tell a story of party loyalty that is now being twisted into a story about race.
  • Chino_Blanco · 1 year ago
    If you find folks online defending Hillary's latest rant about hard-working white voters who she says won't vote for Obama in November ... well, it's time to give Clinton apologists a piece of our minds. Enough with the apologetics ... Hillary is out there undermining the Democratic coalition and asking us to look the other way as she trashes Democratic principles. Talking among ourselves doesn't seem to be working. We need to engage her enablers and ask them why THEY don't call Hillary on the carpet for this nonsense?

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/building...
  • grasshopper · 1 year ago
    Having insulted the base of the Party, i.e. AA's, San Francisco Democrats, Move-on, and latte sipping liberals, Hilary is now calling working class whites racists and won't vote for a black man. By the time she's done she won't have a senate seat to go back to.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    grasshopper, I think there is a techno line of demarkation....the Obama people are online, the Hillary folks are watching CNN. And that is also true of McCain...I think if Obama is the nom here, this youth movement vote will show up in droves, large enough numbers that the neocons won't have enough to steal it from the Diebolding. This is similar to 1968 in that the youth are ready for new blood in the government and their parents are clinging to status quo candidates. Blue collar kids will vote Obama. The kids see past the skin color much more than their parents. They dont care about gay vs straight or black vs white anymore. Youtube vs feeding tube
  • kevinbgoode · 1 year ago
    So Hillary is now attempting to posture as the George Wallace of the Democratic Party? I suppose by the end of the week she'll explain clearly that she wasn't really being racist. . .why, black people with lighter skin are actually almost as hard-working as white Americans.
  • Smarmy · 1 year ago
    No one in the entire Congress has the nerve to go up against her and correct her. The only reason she remins in this race that she CAN'T win, is to make life horrible for Obama. She's too mean and dark of an entity.

    They ought to censure her in the Senate! Worthless, mean bitch that she is.
  • dhahn · 1 year ago
    You are just as worhtless as your candidate...You must be an uneducated dark minority deep fromn the south!
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I don't think Hillary can go on much longer because she is broke. Apparently she is just taking a very hard position at the beginning of her negotiations with the Obama camp. But the train is stoked up and ready to leave the station shortly, so she doesn't have much time to find a way to cooperate.
  • Bison · 1 year ago
    I got "polled" by a Clinton phonebanker
    http://praxxus.blogspot.com/2008/05/i-got-polle...
  • davidkc · 1 year ago
    Clinton is playing the race card big time, as noted by Mark Halperin: http://thepage.time.com/

    OK superdelegates, Hillary has gone negative. What are you going to do??
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Hillary's been Wrighting, Ayersing and Bittering the whole time. If that's not negative what is?
  • dhahn · 1 year ago
    She does not need to do a thing you seeee...were all very comfortable with McCain...And oh so sweet it will be to put a nail in your coffin
  • scottinsf · 1 year ago
    Busboy--- I don't think it hurts that Kleeb is easy on the eyes and that we've helped him out here before.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    "100,000 dead in burma??? good start on reducing human overpopulation..."
    constantcomment

    Just when I think your comments cannot get more idiotic, you surprise me with a truly repulsive one.
  • GrahamCrackerDC · 1 year ago
    "Speaking of racism, FOX news has it down pat. I was aghast to listen to their panels talk about "Blacks this" and "Blacks that" when discussing Obama while working out. I rarely watch that channel unless forced, too, but some FOX - Corporate Propaganda Media sheep had changed the gym television to them during yesterday's coverage. It was shameless racial histrionics with them, and they also threw in a bunch of outrageous stuff about class and status of the working middle class!"

    Actually, the only racists I've noticed in the campaign so far are the black voters that vote 92% for Obama. If there's a group of voters that are guided purely by race, it's black voters.
  • scottinsf · 1 year ago
    What a crock of shit. I can't believe more members of congress aren't speaking up like congressman George Miller did the other day. And wow Ablog! $10,000 for Kleeb in a couple days is awesome! It's barely behind DailyKos' total with less than half the number of donators. We must be a bunch of elitist, latte drinking snobs here.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    AQ-2; you are such a bright optimist...
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Barry L, what is your definition of a "slick" negative ad. What's the last one you saw? This is not a trick question...
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    We were ignoring the jackass, Mirth. Don't feed the assholes......
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    What have you done lately to alleviate the situation, cmpnwtr, and why are you spouting meaningless shit here?
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    Oh sorry, Busboy. It just slipped out. ;)

    btw: I think cmpnwtr was telling us his/her opinion of Congress...and I agree with him/her.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    ChairmanMo,

    John&Team inform with facts and info for activism. I am appreciative of their daily efforts to WAKE THIS COUNTRY THE HELL UP!
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Agree with you about that AQ-2. If the Highways fall apart? Then, there will be a revolution. Social security, highways, shopping malls, the triumvirate of the US political system. Except for Mirth, of course, she lives in the wilds with only a computer as her friend. Have to love that lady...
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    Cowboyneok,

    Get ready for months of the blatant racism. At least for now, that's all the Fox-types have.
    And whassup with TVs in front of treadmills and in hotel lobbies, etc...Fox is the channel of choice. It must be like food vendors paying supermarkets to place their products in prominent locations. Payola?

    aquarius2,
    Yeah, people like constantcomment think their weak thoughts become more weighty if they use multiple commenting names...and they think we won't catch on.
    hahaha
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Holy crap, Mirth. Never thought of it that way. You may be right. Fox news is always on in some sports bars and airport lounges. Rupert is sliding his tentacles into our brains....
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    "...Except for Mirth, of course, she lives in the wilds with only a computer as her friend..."
    Busboy.

    There are times when I feel an urge to write a big phat FU to you, and this is one of them.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Isn't criticism supposed to be coupled with positive alternatives to prove credibility, ChairmanMo?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    AQ-2, I think she is an empty suit, just like McCain. Obama is also starting to look like an empty suit. He's not supplying much red meat to his followers.
  • ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith) · 1 year ago
    Busboy wrote:

    "AQ-2, I think she is an empty suit, just like McCain. Obama is also starting to look like an empty suit. He's not supplying much red meat to his followers."

    Come on, come back to the real world. We are talking about politics in America, the land of American Idol, supersizing, Nascar, and "debate" about whether creationism should be taught in public schools! The old "run on the issues" meme is getting very tired. All successful politicians are empty suits of sorts, it's the nature of the business. The American electorate is just not that sophisticated, as much as we want to believe otherwise.

    IF by "empty suit" you mean pandering for votes, then that seems like a job requirement, not a fault. On the other side, all 3 of them seem like genuinely intelligent people and it's kind of arrogant for people to so flippantly dismiss how smart they really must be to have gotten where they are . I have 3 college degrees and I'm not sure I'd have the intellectual ability to give multiple speeches on a littany of topics while all the while having the media/public throwing random questions at me and parsing every word and action as some deep picture into my soul. Now imagine doing that for over a year and it gives you an idea of how tough and smart all of these people have to be to have gotten where they are. Even Bush, who is pretty darn stupid compared to his peergroup, would probably be regarded as somewhat talented when compared to joe-blow-the-great-unwashed that makes up most of the electorate (being able to manipulate and foster relationships for personal and professional gain is an invaluable skill, and like him or not, Bush has the black book full of cultivated connections to have gotten him elected POTUS).

    It's time to come back to reality, if everyone could withstand running for POTUS, the job wouldn't be as prestigious as it is.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Yes, AQ-2, you are right about CC. There were some sordid accusations. But, the way things are, you can't really be sure you're talking to the same person.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    I think you're full of crap, Zenn. If you say what you mean and mean what you say?; then you don't need prompter cards or surrogates running around the next day to explain things.
  • ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith) · 1 year ago
    Busboy said:

    "I think you're full of crap, Zenn. If you say what you mean and mean what you say?; then you don't need prompter cards or surrogates running around the next day to explain things."

    Lol, and you have what to back up your assertion? I have the better part of the last 100 years of pandering, system manipulation, and vacuous promises by politicians to support my arguement that most politicans are in the "business" of winning office, not of being actual public servants. Your opinion makes for a nice high school social studies thesis but reality just doesn't back it up. With very rare exceptions (like Bill Clinton), we have gone out of our way as an electorate to seek out the least "policy-wonk" oriented politician in every singly POTUS contest I can remember (Bill was lucky enough to be a wonk but have enough personal charm to make people forget that). So, while the media fawns over Clintons and Obamas bowling games or muses about where Clinton or Obama can do shots better in a bar, I hope your delusional notion that most people want or seek out the policy oriented candidate keeps you warm at night.

    As an aside, both the democrats have very clearly articulated platforms, and have made them publically available in multiple locations. I think your problem is that you want, nay need, to think that the candidates have nothing substantative to say because it reinforces your myopic view of the world. I think the bigger issue is that when Obama is filling up a stadium people aren't coming to hear his white paper on economic stimulus in post NAFTA America, no, they are coming to "feel" invigorated and emotionally tied to him as a person. Even Clinton, who is by far the biggest policy wonk of those left standing, makes sure to pepper her wonkish statements with plenty of pork-filled pandering so the masses feel like she's thinking about them (for instance that obvious pandering with the gas tax). Any wonder she is also the one about to be shown the door? Kind of reinforces my point about the US electorate selecting against wonks doesn't it?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    I think I'll retire and let the intelligentsia continue this conversation w/o my neandertal input...
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Sounds like "political waterboarding" to me. Now we know why the superdels never made it to the big pony show...
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Or, 6 months of post-nasal drip without a hanky. This is going to separate the glue horses from the riding stock...
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Yes, Scott, this blog is indeed the "champaign circuit". Champagn? How do you spell that anyway?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Scott, I agree, A-bloggers do "pony up" when their friends need help. Not like some of the "crybaby blogs" elsewhere.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    OK, Mirth; sorry if I mischaracterized. But, I think I'm pretty much on the money, so KMA...