DISQUS

sisterfaith · 1 year ago

Here's a quote from an AP story this am...
These people just don't get it Joe...

"Grover Norquist, a leading conservative and president of Americans for Tax Reform, called Palin "one of five or six people who is a plausible candidate for president in 2012," along with familiar names like Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich."

Norquist needs to crawl back under his rock and take Newt, Sarah, Mitt, and Rick with him!

MyVoice · 1 year ago

Shhhhh don't let them know that the current Republican platform is a losing proposition. If they want to continue the current policies it only makes it easier for us to take more seats in 2 years.

Necer23 · 1 year ago

Good writing but let's talk of hope and the future and stop rehashing old stuff that feels bad. Can we just have a few days of feeling great? No offense intended at all.

caerbannog · 1 year ago

b-b-b-b-but what about Bush's man date back in 2004?

tlsintx · 1 year ago

ha!

michaelt · 1 year ago

O/T - I just wanted to say to the proprietors of this blog......Thank you. I have been a mess these last 5 years. Always feeling isolated and never around a majority of people who felt the same way. This blog was instrumental in my sanity. I often cursed, ranted, and said some pretty stupid shit. But I let it out. I considered it a therapy of sorts.

I just wanted to let you know that if I ever said anyting offensive I apologize, and with all sincerity, thank you for letting me vent.

mgardener · 1 year ago

I am a worry wart.
I am now so very worried that When Obama gets full measure of what the Republicans have been doing for the last 8 years the news will be catastrophic, and he will have to announce it to the country. Those Republican will not want to hear this, and the fight will begin.

Because I'm sure we are not being told the truth even yet(to benefit McCain). And the nasty stuff will start when the truth of the last 8 years is revealed

Indigo · 1 year ago

I think that's a reasonable worry. We don't know how extensive the damage is, we only know that the incumbent focus is on fuzzy logic and scapegoating. The fight already started while the revellers are not quite sure how to keep the fiesta going. That's alright because the coaltion that put Obama into office has done its work. Revolutionaries are not usually part of the office work of the Revolution. There is much to do, comrade.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

"extensive the damage is": We'll see if all the Bs and Os are still left on the White House computer keyboards on 20 Jan . . .

Indigo · 1 year ago

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! Do you suppose there's a Republican intern knowledgeable enough to know how to do that?

bill__free · 1 year ago

It is still scarry to me that the bush administration could screw so many things up and people still vote republican.

bill__free · 1 year ago

I could understand 30% of the hard core republicans voting for McCain, but what would it take for the rest of the people that voted for McCain to switch to a Dem. Just what would someone have to do that would draw the ire of the people in larger masses?

tlsintx · 1 year ago

the GOP has big problems...the hannity/limbaugh loudmouth faction is arguing they aren't conservative enough and are pissed at the GOPers who blame Palin's ultraconservatism for this loss...but it's clear America is rejecting Palin and her ilk...

we should keep an eye on them while we move forward and make things better. they can't be left alone again to claim they are the real America.

High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago

This f**kin nut job went from being the chief of staff to practically being asked to leave the white house.

Would someone please arrest this MOFO - 'cause nancy pelosi wont do it...

clytemnestra · 1 year ago

yeah, and now with an even higher percentage of the popular vote and an almost 2:1 lead in electoral votes right wingers are claiming Obama does not have a mandate.

I'm beginning to think that conservatism or at least membership in the Republican party makes one brain damaged.

Indigo · 1 year ago

"Those who opposed that agenda are now running the country."
Not quite yet. Careful with that thought, it sounds Rovian.

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

Wingers are already laying the groundwork for another playing card tower of non democratic lies and spin to damage another Democratic president.

Great lords, wise men ne'er sit and wail their loss,
But cheerly seek how to redress their harms.

--Henry VI, Act 5 Scene 4

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

The 1000 Year Reich lasted 12. The Permanent Republican Majority lasted 6.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

Karen dear,
are you retiring from the talking heads beat or just taking a well-earned vacation? or did i miss your post somewhere??

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Thank you for your kind enquiry. Karen, Mrs. Lloyd Richards decided that Joe, Doocy, Mika, Gretchen and all the rest would be dead to her, DEAD TO HER once the election was over. Fantasizing about them all in a remake of David Cronenberg's "Scanners" seemed a fitting conclusion to this election cycle.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

i'm not sure i like this turn of events...i like the head exploding part but...

we may still need your expertise...your unique insight and your way with snark...

grandma · 1 year ago

From Kos:

Oh, The Irony

Rove:
"Well, the Chief of Staff, there is no corporate role, but in the Chief of Staff in the White House is an honest broker. When the leader of the opposition Party in the House or Senate calls up the Chief of Staff of the President of the United States, he expects and has a right to expect that whatever he says to him will be properly conveyed to the President in an honest and forthright way. And it's really troubling that, I mean, Rahm is smart, but he doesn't have the trust and confidence of a lot of his Republican colleagues."

Please mock..

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/5/170...

tlsintx · 1 year ago

karl rove is a pompous, jowly little gasbag has-been who should be indicted, convicted and jailed.
SHUT UP ROVE YOU LOSER.

Older_Wiser · 1 year ago

Don't underestimate the rightwing. Ever. They are plotting at this very moment to work in the various states to stop abortion and gay marriage (which they see as "states rights" issues). Joke all you want to about Rove & Co, but these people are dangerous to the human race.

One thing that needs to be done is to investigate the church money behind all of this crap, and deny them tax-exempt status for engaging in political chicanery. Bush did his best to erase the separation of church and state, and that is just one thing that must be fully corrected.

If you think I'm kidding, a morning traffic radio show had a segment on "christian charities" and promoting the "missionary" work these people do, even down to the "testimony" of a woman who had gotten her "first" shoes in a package along with a subsequent conversion to christianity which she claims thrilled her more. These morons were constantly pushing McBush/Palin and they do a daily dump on Obama in addition to making constant racist references generally.

Indigo · 1 year ago

I've heard Catholic priests and bishops trot out Mother Teresa as proof that Catholcis do so much good work that it makes up for the possible harm done to unwanted minority groups like gays and . . . well, gays. Here in Orlando, even "fair-minded" newspaper commentators buy into that routine. What's to say to a zombie in response? "Watch the watch, watch the watch . . ."

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

My whacko brother's Methodist church has always seemed more a cult interested in politics and organizing. They screen their poor people before deciding on deserving families...I've hated to think of the hoops they make these people hop through for Christmas toys or food.

Bubbles · 1 year ago

It's as if they never thought that policy mattered at all.

I heard Scarborough say last night (I'm in Korea) in regard to McCain's campaign, that "there's always away" to get elected, he was never doomed by Bush or Republican unpopularity or failures.

These people took the richest most powerful country, looted it and anal rapped it with fear for all it was worth and have driven it down into near third world precipice, and they think non of that matters.

Never once were they ever interested in helping anybody but a few of their cohorts. That's why they are out of power. If they had done half of what Clinton did for this country they might have some credibility and McCain might have had a ghost of a chance.

What idiots.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

exactly. and what little "policy" they did make was made behind closed doors only to financially benefit themselves and their rich, powerful cronies...ie. dick cheney and the Big OIl Boys...

tlsintx · 1 year ago

correction: "greed" for "creed"

ComradeRutherford · 1 year ago

Conservatism has completely and utterly failed. The last 7 years, and especially this last year, have proven conclusively that the Reagan Experiment is morally bankrupt.

Republicans, in their typical "forget everything that happened yesterday", all say now that Bush wasn't a Real Conservative.

After 7.5 years of saying Bush was 'appointed by God' to be America's Conservative-In-Chief, and raucously applauding every bone-haded and Big Government move he made, the Grand Old Party can not be allowed to get away with their latest lie. They need to OWN Bush's every failure, from 9/11 to the intentional collapse of the US economy and the removal of America as the world's beacon of Freedom. Conservatism did all of that and more.

Conservatism intentionally destroyed the US economy.

Conservatism intentionally tore America down from our post-WWII position of guidance for the whole world.

Conservatism gleefully sends our Armed Forces to Afghanistan and Iraq to murder women and children as an excuse the hand $10B a month to war profiteers.

Conservatism has completely and utterly failed and we need to make sure that is the message in the media and is the lesson that is recorded in history.

LeeFromHamburgNY · 1 year ago

I agree that conservatism has failed this country, however, yesterday, I caught a blurb on Fox News with Tom Delay, (another right wing a'hole that should be in jail), saying that conservatism is still thriving in this country since the popular vote was "essentially 50/50." This was on Cavuto, which is so right wing biased that I can only listen for about 2 minutes or until CNN's commercial is finished...

winchester · 1 year ago

I just can’t believe anyone thinks that anything this jackass Rove has to say has any relevance anymore. Shut this vile little creature to hell up already!!

bluestockton · 1 year ago

Would you settle for Leavenworth?

fl79tr · 1 year ago

Isn't he supposed to be indited or something like that? This guy and all the conservative right wing lying manipulative mother f****** are a poison to our society.

bluestockton · 1 year ago

Now that he's the president-elect, Obama is receiving the same daily briefings as Bush. With one difference, I'll bet: Obama's papers don't need phonetic spellings. No "Ah-mah-DEE-nuh-zhod."

tlsintx · 1 year ago

no "new-clear"

scytherius · 1 year ago

I hope they keep believing that because as long as they do they'll never hold power again.

cab02149 · 1 year ago

May be true. Television, unchecked, eroded community. Advertising, with scientific research behind it, unleashed ways to manipulate our personal attitudes. Both evolved quietly over time. Add in real, though understandable social problems, and the "disconnected" family, now isolated in the suburbs, becomes defensive. Safety and protection is a priority, They are victims and easily become followers of "conservative" thinking. That is how we become conservative. Easy prey.

On the other hand, if you have a lot of people to share with every day, valuable information gets circulated and you can learn to feel what another person is about. Except for urban dwellers, human perspective is lost. Note the voting patterns typical in the US.

barts · 1 year ago

Now that the election is over and the republicans are scratching their collective head over what went wrong, think about this:

It's your fringe base, Stupid!

kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

Apparently all of the talking heads on the "liberal" MSM are convinced that Obama must govern from the center-right.. ..rather than the far Right. WTF? Who told these pundits that the Americans want more rightwing nutcases running the country?

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

The talking heads have had a .000 batting (accuracy, predicting future) average the last few years so I'm not so keen on gleanings from their magic mirrors of late.
It’s mainly just temporizing, tilling the meme soil for future seeding, until the false equivalency concepts take firm root.
Ridicule's high acid content has and will stall development of their over produced spin anyway.

Houndentenor · 1 year ago

There is a lesson in all of this for us. Just a few years ago Rove and others were talking about a "Permanent Republican Majority". That's a punch line now but at the time they really believed it. Democrats just had a big win but if they do what the Republicans did and abandon core principles and stop listening to the constituents, then we'll be looking at the GOP taking back Congress at some point in the near future. The mistakes the Republicans made are a warning for the Democrats if they are smart enough to heed them.

I would like to see Obama take a page from the Ronald Reagan playbook. Reagan got his agenda through a Democratic House. He did it by doing an end run around the MSM, the pundits and the Congressional leadership and taking his case directly to the American people. Presidents can do that but few have done it regularly since Reagan. When a tough vote is coming up, he should just go on national tv and make his case straight to the people. He's good at that (obviously) and would be foolish not to do this a few times a year.

RevDrBillyBob · 1 year ago

“Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America". ... Rove is absolutely correct. That explains why McCain got 46% of the vote, even in the face of massive conservative policy failures during the last 7 years ... conservatism is the dominant political creed in the USA because it can command THAT PERCENTAGE OF SUPPORT even in the face of the fact that it clearly doesn't work: ... now THAT's a bunch of True Believers voting at the "nadir", isn't it? And if you think that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are suddenly going to be emboldened to be "liberal," guess again, because they won't. .... Nancy Pelosi has been unabashedly pro-war; on Tuesday she got 71% of the vote in her district, even though Cindy Sheehan (uh : ANTI-war) was on the ballot, thus offering a well-known anti-war choice to the voters of one of the most liberal Congressional districts in the country. Combine Pelosi's percentage with the percentage that the Reep candidate got (9%) and you get an 80% support level for the war in Iraq, in one of the most liberal Congressional districts in the country. Most Americans DO support the war in Iraq; if you want to pretend that the war was NOT the biggest issue of this campaign, you are welcome to do so. ... Would that things be otherwise, but they aren't. ... Just be grateful that slavery and the Bill of Rights weren't on the ballot: slavery would get a YES vote and the Bill of Rights would go down to defeat.

RevDrBillyBob · 1 year ago

The Republicans offered as a candidate for President someone who is superannuated and mentally-befuddled and offered for Vice-President someone who is a religious freak who didn't even know that Africa was, uh, a "continent" ... and this ticket STILL got 46% of the vote. If the Reeps had nominated candidates -- equally right-wing -- who had more on the ball mentally, they would have won. REPEATING: Most Americans ARE conservative; Rove, for once, was absolutely correct.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

therein lies the rub, Rev.
right-wing and mentally on the ball do NOT go together.

i was listening to limpdick just today and a listener called in complaining that she could take it when liberals called conservatives "ignorant rubes" - that was to be expected - but did not appreciate other republicans doing it.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

no one knows what constitutes "conservatism" anymore...
i've read articles saying Obama was the more conservative candidate this time...

the GOP will have a helluva time figuring this out. goody.

kiki · 1 year ago

“'Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America,' Rove said."
Wrong again Rove! Your days as a voice in our government will be gone soon and the sooner the better. Good riddance to bad rubbish (Rove)!

Thank God his ugly, demeaning ways will be gone forever, hopefully!

kiki · 1 year ago

PS: I say to Rove, lay your party down next to the Whigs.