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AMERICAblog: Could McCain's "I was a POW" refrain backfire on him?

  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    And he hasn't done a single thing since for the average American. He favors wealth, privilege and power and women who have money especially if he isn't married to them.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    "we need to have a 780 billion dollar budget deficit because I was a POW"-McCombover
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    McCain is showing signs of mental deterioration, evident as persistent confabulation of facts and an increasing inability to edit Freudian slips.

    In the end, it will come down to, "I'm a blundering old fool but I was a POW. Vote for me."
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    What's the Vietnamese word for "Songbird"?
  • irishdem · 1 year ago
    We're better than that!! John McCain is a war hero!-end of story. Barack will continue to run a tough and positive campaign and we should follow his lead. Anyone who would use the same despicable tactics of the Republicans should look for another campaign to get behind, because they have no place in the Obama campaign.
  • SteamingPile · 1 year ago
    Why would swift-boaters be affiliated with anyone's political campaign? Isn't "plausibly deniability" the whole point of such tactics? Until the admins ask me not to, I will continue to point out what a mediocre pilot McSame was, how he couldn't keep the MiGs off his six, and how it doesn't take a hero to do anything McSame did in 'Nam.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    McCrazy sold out for a bowl of rice. Whatever happened to "death before dishonor?" No, I don't think he wants to get the whole story out, he just wants the "myth" out there...

    And he was just on, talking to rich Cuban fascists, emphasizing Obama wanting to partially lift the embargo on Cuba, talking with its leadership, etc., then goes to how he love CAFTA and what NAFTA has done for FL farming, such as increasing exports to places like Chile. (And if that's true, why is most of the fruit in my supermarket FROM Chile?) Then on to the Colombia trade agreement and what it will do to enrich FL millionaires even more.

    I'll say one thing for McCrazy: he sure knows how to lie and pander to his own "base."
  • bkmn · 1 year ago
    Not to mention the USS Forrestal fire...involving...McSame.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal...
  • texasbob · 1 year ago
    If the accounts of McCain's conduct under torture and his eventual "confession" are close to accurate, I would expect that anyone who tried to brand him as a "traitor" would be the one receiving public outrage. Let this dog alone. There is plenty of dishonor in McCain's life to go around without this. There are plenty of reasons why people should not vote for him without grasping at this straw. Let's beat the jerk on his political record and his policy proposals and other pertinent facts about his life since Vietnam, and not try to beat up on a veteran who was tortured by barbarians. The suggestion disgusts and repels me. Decency matters......let's not descend to the level of the swift-boaters and Rove.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    McCrazy is only 5'7" BTW, I saw a picture of him and Mrs. McCrazy walking from a plane yesterday, and she's actually taller than he is...you know he stands on a platform behind the podium to campaign when she's with him, don't you, so he appears taller? Does he ever tell her, "Take off those stillettoes, you c***?"
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
    ot..fukyougeorgebooooooooosh

    CNN


    SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Barbara Harvey climbs into the back of her small Honda sport utility vehicle and snuggles with her two golden retrievers, her head nestled on a pillow propped against the driver's seat.


    Californian Barbara Harvey says she is forced to sleep in her car with her dogs after losing her job earlier this year.

    1 of 3 A former loan processor, the 67-year-old mother of three grown children said she never thought she'd spend her golden years sleeping in her car in a parking lot.

    "This is my bed, my dogs," she said. "This is my life in this car right now."

    Harvey was forced into homelessness earlier this year after being laid off. She said that three-quarters of her income went to paying rent in Santa Barbara, where the median house in the scenic, oceanfront city costs more than $1 million. She lost her condo two months ago and had little savings as backup.

    "It went to hell in a handbasket," she said. "I didn't think this would happen to me. It's just something that I don't think that people think is going to happen to them is what it amounts to. It happens very quickly, too."

    Harvey now works part time for $8 an hour, and she draws Social Security to help make ends meet. But she still cannot afford an apartment, and so every night she pulls into a gated parking lot to sleep in her car, along with other women who find themselves in a similar predicament.
  • bunnyjump · 1 year ago
    This is the future for more and more US workers who can only find work at minimum wage or who are forced to accept lower wages in order to hold onto their jobs.
  • ClintonHater · 1 year ago
    texasbob 0 minutes ago

    I might not be able to make the case against McCain but they sure can:

    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com...
    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com...
  • dcguy · 1 year ago
    My prediction is that Dems will take the high road on this issue, and it won't get much mainstream play.

    Say what you will about the Dem playbook, but we are not as ruthless and power hungry as the Republicans. Their sleaze bag sliming of Kerry in the last election is a low that Dems won't stoop to, even though it could help turn the election against McCain.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    texasbob, you write as though there are no American barbarians...wrong. We all know about the torture inflicted on those captured in Iraq and in Guantanamo.

    McCrazy certainly didn't mind bombing children and old people in Vietnam, another country we should never have gotten involved with. And yes, while he condemned torture, what the hell did he do about it? Anyone can say they're against it, but actions speak louder than words.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/...
  • texasbob · 1 year ago
    No, tpmmuckraker, I'm hardly unaware that there are Amerikan barbarians. But just how would this justify attacking McCain for having caved under torture? Attack him for having approved of torture by the Bush regime. Attack him for backing the war against the people of Iraq. Attack them all for being barbarians and liars and fools. But don't do stupid and unnecessary things that would only create a sympathetic backlash for the "poor tortured war hero John McCain who held out for years of agony before finally caving...and then only partly...."

    How do you reconcile your apparent notion that McCain should be regarded as a traitor for having confessed under torture and at the same time deplore the Bush regime's use of torture partly because it causes its victims to say anything to bring the torture to an end? You can't have it both ways......torture is inhumane, the Bush crowd, including McCain, are inhumane for practicing and endorsing it. Whether McCain was tortured 40+ years ago and how he reacted to it is not pertinent to the argument.

    Hypocrisy is the least of the crimes here. Why are so many "liberals" hung up on it? Hit the enemy on policy, on results, on consequences, on costs. Hypocrisy is so darn widespread among US politicians (want the names of some liberal hypocrites??) and within US society that I don't see how ordinary folks would be impressed by finding another, and very weak case of it.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    I'm not sure if it would be taking the low road. The author brings up a good point that McCain did some things that could very well be considered traitorous if properly scrutinzed. So far, he's been given a free pass on the subject. I for one think it needs to see the light of day.
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    sittenpretty, where in hell are her kids? This is what I find more disturbing.

    Kids who won't take their mother in, or a mother who won't ask for their help...
  • sherifffruitfly · 1 year ago
    Are those propaganda videos available? I never heard of them.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    It is still almost half a year until the election. The effects of the recession and the continuing combat deaths in Iraq will be even more dragging on the electorate then.

    McCain will self defeat. He will look like such a bumbling fool next to Obama that he won't have a chance.
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
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    sittenpretty, where in hell are her kids? This is what I find more disturbing.

    Kids who won't take their mother in, or a mother who won't ask for their help...
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    what if she didnt have kids...the junta will tell ya,with McSame and Kudlow
    THIS IS THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD....feh,ill post the link
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
    one man has THE courage,to say ...the dumbest made up shit ive ever heard...707
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  • Gorgonzola · 1 year ago
    Obama can't hold back and observe the Marquis of Queensbury rules and let the GOPFascists use him for a punching bag like they did with John Kerry. The turn the other cheek strategy won't get us anywhere. Does anyone think the GOP would keep it a secret if Obama made propaganda videos for the VC?
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    Obama will hit back hard when he is attacked, but he is going to take the high road against McCain.

    The media will hate it, but Obama will win in the end because the only reason he is doing so well is that people are sick of the same old campaign.

    I know a McCain-Hillary campaign is sooooo depressing to think about.
  • lost_nacf_gop · 1 year ago
    John,

    Someone "could" hit McCain with his service record. Someone has to be willing to do so, and this is where the Demos have traditionally taken this discussion and then backed away to what many compassionate, cerebral human beings would identify as the moral high ground. The minute one started blasting McCain for this stuff, the Rush O'Hanitwits would crank up the "u hate America" echo machine, and the shoutbots would start parroting it. Take that bet to the windows.

    You can sense resistance to that potential tactic in this very thread - comments echoing "there's better things to hit him on" and "why sink to 'ther' level" are already here. Yeah, its a double standard, and it sucks that the purple-heart band-aid wearers got away with what they did to Kerry. It didn't work out quite the way they expected, and winning without sinking to the Rovian depths is far preferable to "Just win, baby" - at least in this graying Dem's opinion.
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    Obama is NOT going to run a dirty campaign. I wish he would get a bit sullied, however, that is the goal and his reason for running --- no more politics as usual.

    So the DEMS will not be bringing this up.
    (but maybe some RW McCain hate group?)
  • LawMichigander · 1 year ago
    As much as it is tempting to go there, we should not look into his Vietnam era, and just acknowledge that he was a honorable, because he was. There is plenty of other stuff I am sure people can find.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    George W Bush didn't have any trouble making his service record disappear.

    It's just not there any more.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    Could someone please discuss things like health care, oil profits, global warming, social security, and other issues facing us?

    Oh no it has to be gay marriage, someone's war record, and Paris Hilton's tits.

    America is a junior high school.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Oil hits $130 and the market falls...may they have to go on food stamps like so many middle class Americans. [snark]

    sittinpretty, that happened to me in 1999...my son took me in at age 58. And it has benefitted both of us. He has no kids, and in 9 years will be the same age as I was when it happened to me. I'm just saying that families I know are pitching in to help each other when this sort of thing happens. Better to help each other out than living on the street or starving.
  • richsul · 1 year ago
    One of the things I learned in the Marine Corps (1960-1964) was that being a prisoner of war was neither a net positive nor a net negative. It did not reflect on your record either way. There is no medal or ribbon awarded for being taken prisoner. That is you cannot tell by looking at the ribbons on his McCain's chest whether he was a prisoner or not. I think this is a good policy and makes good sense if one thinks about it for a minute. However, it is changing. Here in New Mexico one can get a license plate that says "POW" on it, the obvious inference is that there is something good about it,otherwise, why would one post it for the world to see, If in fact McCain is trying to leverage the fact of his having been a POW, then he is violating a long established military custom. Do you think anyone is going to call him on it?
  • bunnyjump · 1 year ago
    Repugs: the "do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do" party.
  • caphillprof · 1 year ago
    It's been alleged that John McCain crashed several planes during flight training. Anyone have information on this?
  • BarrieT · 1 year ago
    Hmmmm... I vaguely recall reading an allegation that Bush 41 trained for ditching in the sea when it was not part of standard training...like he was planning for his early ticket home.
  • matty · 1 year ago
    I'm not a McCain fan... Obama all the way baby! But I'm a veteran too...

    Calling McCain a traitor for making propaganda videos while a POW under duress is just WRONG. Leave that whole issue alone. Please. It 's just inappropriate, and it may just backfire on YOU.
  • Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago
    I think that the WHOLE truth about Insane McCain's POW period could well trip him up if it allowed to reach the public. He is very practiced at telling partial truths, those parts that he and his handlers feel are complementary. The rest are simply ignored or disclaimed. We have recently had a number of incidents of his saying one thing on Monday and then flipflopping by Friday and claiming he never said that. Has he not grasped the fact that these days we have transcripts and video of all these things? The MSM needs to work more on the impartiality of their coverage of McCain and less on enjoying the free bus rides and the free barbeque.
  • TheOriginalLiz · 1 year ago
    I think the fact that he is trading so heavily on his military record and his being a POW makes it fair game. He brought it up first, so it is unreasonable for the GOP to expect that they can make use of his war record but everyone else must maintain a respectful silence in that area.

    Sort of like in a job interview (which, actually, this campaign is, after all) - they can't ask about certain things, but if you bring them up, all bets are off.
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    Is there proof somewhere of the propaganda videos? I have heard this a lot and more, but I don't what the record shows.

    MIght take the edge off his comparisons to Jesus.
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    The first ones to use McCain's POW status against him were KKKarl Rove and Bush in 2000, when they spread the story that the experience had made him crazy.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    PTSD is a serious matter! McCain is a reputable POW, he is entitled to psychiatric care, and he needs it.
  • bacalove · 1 year ago
    Karl Rove is called a "political wizard". However, Senator Obama will expose Rove and the GOP as Wizards (as in Oz) --illusionary figures masquerading behind a curtain of Deceit! The Republican Pretenders are skilled in rituals of smoke & mirrors - Experts in Demonizing and Belittling thier opponents through cleverly manipulated words used to smear and distort. We, the American people, are tired of their trickery's and lies based on illusionary fear-mongering and not fact, and like the Wizard of Oz, when the curtain is pulled back by "the light of truth", they will be exposed as the fakers and the pretenders that they are -- with loud, silver-tounged voices filled with vinegar and no Real Power -- pulling strings of "make believe" to coverup their own innate weakness and Experienced villainy, an In-Experience and Naivite that Barack lacks, Barack's saving grace! This unveiling will enable us to finally get off this merry-go-round -- this "yellow-brick-road" of illusion and deceit perpetrated upon the American public by these ShapeShifters and Betrayers of the Public Good.

    This massed negativity has been a real detriment to American economic progress and peace in Iraq. Such pretenders and shapeshifters are like a millstone around the neck of humanity, crippling true effort. They proclaim Family Values, yet do nothing but impede true progress while the American way-of-life is dying. Any bills offered by Democrats which will benefit the American families, the GOP votes NO! This massed, organized negativity has been what has enabled them to work so ruthlessly with power and success at the destruction of all that has attempted to get in the way of their projects, desires and greed. They refuse to recognize that humanity can solve its problems without aggression and force and instead use the energy of goodwill and diplomacy, sharing and cooperation.

    If you disagree with the Pretenders' politics, however, (I do not say policies for they lack true policies) in unison they attack by subterfuge, distortion and lies to disquise their true intent --the control of money and power for the GOP family only (so much for family values). Masters in fear mongering and shapeshifting, they hope to incite fear in an unsuspecting and gullible American public and to get them to embrace thier plans out of fear and against their own common sense and good judgment! Only this time, we will dispell this Illusion and not be fooled again by these "fakers, con-artists and Pretenders", and our united House, born out of need and true change, will withstand the onslaught of this False, now Fleeting Wind that has devastated the American way of life, no more; their House of Cards are Falling!
  • angryafrican · 1 year ago
    Some people just don't get it. You know - the meaning of "no". That it's over. We never had much of a relationship - so stop clinging. But McLame doesn't get it. We had but a brief fling back in the old days. Before the Straight Talk Express turned into the Flip-Flop Depress. It's over Mac. Get it? Here, read my "Dear John" - maybe that will help. I am so over Vietnam and the Big Mac. http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/20/dear-john/
  • dsmith · 1 year ago
    An interesting story is told about McBush when he served on an American carrier off the coast of Viet Nam. One day an aircraft mistakenly ignited a napalm bomb on the deck of the carrier, killing and maiming a large number of sailors. Afterwards McBush commented that he would never again be able to drop napalm on Vietnamese after seeing what it did to the navy crew. What a heart this guy has!

    Today,McBush likes to point his finger and yell "terrorist' at any arab fighing for his country or religious sect. What do you think the men, women and children called him as he delivered napalm to their cities and villages?
  • Mike_G · 1 year ago
    McSame apparently receives a very large disability pension from the Navy. If he isn't disabled he should explain why he is receiving it when so many wounded Iraq combat veterans are not.
    If he is disabled, then how can he claim to be vigorous enough to handle the presidency? You can't have it both ways.

    Still waiting for the media to DEMAND McCain's medical records and his wife's tax returns like they would for any other candidate, with WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? banner headlines until they cough them up.

    Calling McCain a traitor for making propaganda videos while a POW under duress is just WRONG.

    If it were Kerry instead of McSame, KKKarl would have the broadcast running on all the major networks, and the Mediocre Mass Media would be grandstanding the issue for weeks.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    You mean like when McCrazy betrayed his fellow captives to the North Vietnamese?
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    And, by the way.

    Don't tell me McCrazy was shot down.

    He crashed two planes before he even got to Vietnam.

    He crashed his plane a third time and got picked up.

    Is that so hard to admit?
  • pcvirginiabeach · 1 year ago
    John- You are out of line on this one. You are not qualified to make an assessment of John McCains conduct as a POW in Vietnam. You do not understand the kinds of pressures that were applied, or the techniques that were used, that caused almost every service member (except Stockdale and one other who died in "the ropes") to make "statements". Al Qaeda does not have the mechanisms in place or the sophistication to apply the pressures that McCain experienced during his years of captivity. This post is grossly unfair. You are essentially accussing every American Aviator captured druing the Vietnam war of not keeping the faith in accordance with the code of conduct, when in fact, most of them, including McCain, resisted enemy interrogation to "the utmost of their ability". That my man, is just wrong.
  • pcvirginiabeach · 1 year ago
    The Six Articles of The Code of Conduct

    I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way
    of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

    I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never
    surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to
    resist.

    If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will
    make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither
    parole nor special favors from the enemy.

    If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners.
    I will give no information or take part in any action which might be
    harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will
    obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me, and will back them up in
    every way.

    When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give
    name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering
    further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or
    written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to
    their cause.

    I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom,
    responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my
    country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
  • ThePublicRecord · 1 year ago
    http://www.pubrecord.org/index.php?option=com_c...

    McCain Defends ‘Enron Loophole’

    The Public Record
    May 19, 2008

    Published in : Nation/World

    Sen. John McCain says he opposes the $307 billion farm bill because it would dole out wasteful subsidies, but his chief economic adviser Phil Gramm also wants to stop its proposed regulation of energy futures trading, a market that was famously abused when Enron Corp. manipulated California’s electricity prices in 2001.
  • mr_ed · 1 year ago
    He wasn't shooting at real people. They were just targets, ya know? Whattya expect from 20000'? Ya sure can't see the whites of their eyes, or how old they are, or nuthin'. They deserved it, anyway, damn yellow gooks.
  • uhavegone2far · 1 year ago
    I first read about this site in Leonard Pitts' column in yesterday's paper. He wrote your post was "bizarre, shameful and crude." I agree with him.

    What a sham your site is. Your post about McCain's POW conduct was way, way, way out of line. How do you think YOU would do if tortured?
  • scottinsf · 1 year ago
    That stale old coot is going to provide so much fodder this election. I truly believe Obama will wipe the floor with him without ever having to bring up POW stuff.

    On another quick note, the economic rebound continues! Oil about to break $130.