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AMERICAblog: Credit card companies unilaterally changing terms

  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    It actually may be a step in the right direction. One of my kids who was going to college, had no job and no money; was sent a credit card with a $5000 limit. Go figure...
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Chris, I've gotten to the point where I'm just going to pretend it's not happening anymore. Until people wake up, nothing I can do. Can't save people who don't know.
  • barkleyg · 1 year ago
    The bankruptsy law of 2005 is like debtors prison without the bars.

    The banks finally convince the Repugs that people are not sooo good, and are using credit card debt to survive, and then dispose of it in bankruptsy. We DO have to protect our honorable banking system, don't we?

    Credit card debt goes from unsecured debt(BK) to now secured debt for the banks since BK cannot be used by most citizens anymore. Well in busines, unsecured debt is much more risky than secured debt. So of course, now that credit card debt is non dischargable, the banks lower their interest rates, to the new collateralized debt. NOT!!

    The banks and the Repugs screwed America; think of it as step 1 in screwing credit card debt, step 2 of suckering so many with ARMs, and finally third, bailing out the PROs( Bear Sterns), while telling the general public they should have known better, and don't deserve the governments help.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Hey, it's cliche, but many democrats voted along with the repugs for that bankruptcy bill. Isn't that special...
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Me personally, I don't have any debt. Refuse any credit card. Don't owe anything. Y'all can have all that, trying to act like you're wealthy. You're not fooling anyone. How did I wind up in such an idiotic society?
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    I use one of my credit cards only for incidentals I might buy on the internet. I always pay it off at the end of the month when it comes due. There's no interest to carry so . . . clever card company . . . a $1.00 processing fee is added to my amount due. Truth in advertising should require them to at least display the Jolly Roger. IMHO!
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    I see all the time people purchasing just food using a credit card. And buying processed expensive food using a credit card. It's supernaturally strange to me how this society is acting now. Surreal. I only pay with cash, which they're printing so much money it's worth less and less. I got a raise at work, but with rising fuel costs, hasn't done anything. I have a 401K private account but it doesn't mean anything and so-called social security wont be there for me after paying in for my entire adult life. Just another day in Paradise, and so it goes. Other than that, I'm pretty happy. But thanks alot, wingnut bush voters.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    So I was at the store and they also had marked way down hot-house grown tomatoes. Nobody will buy them now so they were selling them for 10 cents each. Got 6. Look, it's called washing them really well before you eat them. You can't just bring anything home from the supermarket and eat it right there, morons.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Do you really want the Amurkan people to 'wake up'? Seems to me you would be better off slipping outta the way when they do. I listen to talk radio at night. It's a really great barometer of the thinking out there. Man, it's some kind of idiots. It's scary. And these are the more intelligent ones. But the really intelligent thinking callers are stone crazy.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Like the new commenters here applauding Obama for voting for FISA. They're waking up and that's what you have. Is that what you really want?
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    73% of the deeply dumb people here believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. But many of those will vote for McCain this fall.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Obama can't do anything about that, even if he was willing. How can you not think that the Amukan people don't deserve McCain. I, along with Busboy, will probably vote for him. I have no more patience left.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    d00ds are using credit cards to pay off the interest of their other credit cards
  • Apphouse50 · 1 year ago
    Problem is you can't rent a car without a major credit card. I'm not sure but you also may not be able to book hotel space (I haven't in years until this year and used a credit card for both as it was for business).

    I love when the credit agencies tell you you have very good credit but carrying more consumer debt would make it EVEN BETTER! F*ck off, I tell them. I mostly use a debit card that doubles as a sort of pretend MasterCard -- that works for most things (not the aforementioned rental cars). Getting me further into debt makes all sorts of sense to them; not to me.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    Know what! That debit card of mine works just dandy---and I got no debt. The debit card actually can be used for car rentals. The rental companies simply lock down a certain amount in your account, over the actual rental charge, to guarantee the final bill will be covered.

    I book hotel rooms all the time using my debit card. The hotels like it. They know that when you book the hotel room the bill is completely covered ahead of time. They, like the rental companies, lock down a certain amount over
    the actual hotel room cost to make sure the final bill is covered.

    I slum all over the country with my debit card.
  • Apphouse50 · 1 year ago
    Here in Boston I can pay with the debit card but have to reserve the car with a credit card in case there some humongous bill for repairs or such -- they figure a revolving card can cover amounts that might not be available in checking accounts. But I CAN pay with it when I return the card, that's true.

    I figure I have to have one but I don't have to have multiple ones and I sure don't need to run up the balances just so Experian will give me a gold star. I can already get a mortgage, a re-fi, or a loan; I'll deal with it.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    Lowering the borrowing limits is not a bad idea in and of itself. It'll cause consumers to focus on the the products and services they really need. This country needs to frame the oversight that can clamp down on what constitutes a good, great, or bad credit score.

    I can gurarantee you that higher interest rates are going to be built into the loan structure, now that fewer money is being lent. "Creditworthiness" is a Bullshi* concept! Look at the billions of dollars that are offered to college kids with no jobs and (0) money in the bank.

    Again, it goes right back to how laws, through the pressure of special interest groups, are formed. Change that, and a whole shi*load of things will change in this country.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    What comes now? No more housing bubble. What do you think is going to happen. Have at it, Obama and you worthless democrats, you FISA and bankruptcy selling out assholes. Karma's a bitch, just as sure as we're sitting here...
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    And the credit card companies are always looking for even more suckers. Capital One sent an application to my 17 yr old grandson, a minor, who in NC can't even sign a contract until he's 18.

    Well, if people are going to buy $100 tshirts, CDs, HDTVs and such shit to keep the very rich in coin because they think things make them happy, I have no sympathy. I've seen people buy stupid stuff they really could do without before paying rent, utilities or buying groceries. Can't feel sorry for people like that.

    All my purchases are made in cash these days. If I can't save for it, it doesn't get bought. That used to be called "living within your means." What's the old saying, Neither a lender nor a borrower be...an erstwhile philosophy to live by these days.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Anything I buy, I ask myself: Do I really need this? But what's been disturbing to me is watching others buying "food" with credit cards. That's really messed up. And my job. I see so many bankruptcies.

    On a happier note: Little cat that showed up there. She's solid black with some specks of orange on her coat. I didn't have anything but some cheese from the fridge at work to give her, but she really liked it. I don't want to take her back here with me and she's fine where she is. It's in a remote area of the complex there. I think the other cats drove her to stay over there. So until I move, I will feed her over there.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    The deal is, when the other cats figure out she's being fed there, they will certainly drive her off from there. She's small and really can't defend herself. So it looks like pretty soon I'll have to take her in but I live in an apartment right now. They demand $500 deposit for any pet that "money you don't get back."
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    So I'm going to pay $500 for a cat? See?
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    Pay the money:) That little cat is worth it. On the grand scale of things, those emotions
    of yours are a part of the quantum field matrix that is moving this world to higher ground.

    We need all the good vibes we can muster up.
  • blackwolf · 1 year ago
    There you go: Same here, eveything is bought in cash. The interesting thing about buying in cash is that
    it makes you think in terms of creating wealth. We live in world that's that's fast...everything now, not
    tomorrow. Not to change the subject, but I'm reading a book (quick read) called "Generation Why".
    Eric Chester is the author. I have two sons in that age group, and I write the content on a web design
    team for websites designed for that age group.

    What you and I see as reason and common sense, is beyond an entire generation of Gen x, and Gen Y folks who often don't have the ability to even make the same connection.

    The upside of this generatioin is that it questions thing! Why? Why? Why? This is the generation that will close the door on the Republican agenda.

    "Living within your means" is a totally misunderstood statement. It's not about money. It's more about living the lifestyle that matches your money....at any given time.

    Carry on soldier:)
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Pelosi, I know you read this blog. The administration will bomb Iran. You better find a rock to crawl under when that happens with your "impeachment is off the table." Hey, I have nothing to do with it. Staying totally out.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    BTW, banks are also finding other ways to charge fees (and raise existing ones) and that check you think will float until Monday for your purchase is already overdrawn.

    It used to be that the "cost of business" was built into a product or service, but nowadays, the "cost of business" is an add on. I noticed the practice being implemented back in the early 80s when law firms started charging clients for phone calls, copying, postage, and anything else they could tack on their monthly bills, in addition to the hourly rate you paid which covered the cost of their labor, with a hefty profit remaining for the partners, such as a task performed by a paralegal for $50 which might have cost them $10. Everyone knew the lowly associates and paralegals did all the work. The partners were just around for show time.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Yeah, I noticed that lately, too. Get those overdrawn charges...
  • vwcat · 1 year ago
    I keep thinking I'm reading about some weird time warp cross between the 1920s and bush's 2000 America.
    the whole concentrated and purposeful destruction of the middle class and the creating of a complete underclass by 90 percent of the country this way while the 10 percent are royalty that dictates our world.
    I have long believed this is the whole agenda of the Bushies and their co horts. To create most of the country as a kind of surfdom to their royalty and to destroy the middle class.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    The top 1% took in 20% of all wealth in this country last year. 50% of the people took in 12% of the wealth. Something ain't right.

    I say, outta the palace and into the ditch.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Poor people are paying 20% of their income now for rising energy costs. That's not sustainable without revolt. Let it come. I'm going to stand outta the way.
  • vwcat · 1 year ago
    You are right. And it just seems that the Bushies wanted to bankrupt the country and destroy the middle class and have this ruling elite to run everything.
    It will be ugly what is found out when President Obama takes over the oval office.
    Be ready for some terrible surprises in store over what exactly Bush has been doing for the past 8 years.
    diane.
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  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Here's a series from NPR in Feb 2007, main story with side stories, explaining the income gap(s).

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st...

    Meanwhile, you probably are less likely to be mugged for your wallet by a petty criminal than a large corporation or financial/banking entity...
  • Houndentenor · 1 year ago
    Get everyone you know to watch Suze Orman. She has railed against this crap for years. The truth is that the banks are going to screw you over and the only way around it is if we don't let them. If you are carrying a balance on your credit cards they are putting the screw to you. I know people who got to the closing on their home and the bank and switched the terms of the mortgage (from fixed rate to interest only or something else less than desirable). The friendly neighborhood banker is long gone. We are doing business with community leaders. We are doing business with multinational corporations who will suck us dry and move on to the next town and do the same. It's up to use to educate ourselves and our children and live within our means. The alternative is not pretty.

    I agree that a lot of what is going on should be illegal. But the government cannot always save us from ourselves if we aren't willing to go without or make hard choices. I know what I'm asking. I had to do it myself. I got into trouble financially in the horrible economy of 2003-2004. You CAN live on what you make and if you can't then you have to find a less expensive way to live. Living beyond your means is not sustainable whether you are a person or a country.
  • FunMe · 1 year ago
    I have been blessed that in the lat 7 years (hey that would be the bushie criminal era) I have not paid one single cent to the credit card companies in interest. I decided that if I can, which I have been blessed lately, that I will pay in full what I owe. I may not own a home, but I try very hard to find many ways to not throw my money away to the corporations that continue to sock it to Americans with extra charges, extra interest, extra more. Oh, and no $100 and more a month in cable. Regular TV is fine by me. Thank goodness for the internet, too!
  • Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago
    Niether a borrower or a lender be. No not forget stay out of debt.
    I don't recall what play that is from. But it is good advise.
    So glad we paid off and cut of our credit cards.
    Vast numbers of marriages and lives have been ruined by easy credit terms...
  • RobNYNY · 1 year ago
    Oddly enough, this might actually be good for the economy as a whole. One of the things that contributed to the mortgage crisis is that banks gave up control of the terms of the mortgage when they securitized the mortgages. In the case of credit cards, banks kept control of the credt card agreement (the agreement between the bank and the cardholder) while selling only the credit card receivables into securitization vehicles. In the case of mortgages, this meant that the bank had no way to negotiate new terms on the mortgage, and once a mortgage went bad, the only solution was to foreclose, even when this was bad for everyone, including the bank. In the credit card market, banks have an incentive to save themselves, as well as a mechanism. It will cost the consumer, but that has got to be better than another meltdown.