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Excuse me, Mr. President.
The right of a woman to determine her reproduction, including having an abortion within an established time frame, is LAW!
There is no debate, nor should there be. The abortion debate ended 36 years ago.
Go fuzzy on this one and you will not have a 2nd term.
He was speaking at a Catholic school for chrissakes. What did you want him to say? And since when can we not discuss issues, ya freakin facist?
The right to choose abortion isn't an issue. It is law.
The decision of Roe v Wade was decided primarily on the Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution, a part of the Bill of Rights.
Obama has sworn to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
There is no debate.
And, yes, anything less from Obama than solid support of a woman's right to choose IS a deal breaker.
As a private citizen, you can debate Roe v Wade all you want. I could not care less about that. But it is improper for the president to state that debate should continue about constitutionally established law.
I don't believe the president was questioning that. People will still argue their convictions.....which is good. But NOW that it's settled, he has other pressing issues he'd like to move on to.
This means, however, that there will always be a need for abortion services and all doctors need to learn to perform them. Abortion is a basic health care service. No woman or girl gets an abortion without at least some sadness, but that is a personal matter and not anything the government should have anything to do with.
The bottom line is this. If a society deems every pregnancy need be carried to term, women's access to equal opportunity in life, to career, free choice of future, and sexual life, is simply wiped out. Once a mother, your life is not your own---anyone knows this. Your responsibility is to create a growth environment for your child. Your needs must come second. We must have too much respect for the true emotional and material needs of children, to think anything less.
But that---an America where again women's equal opportunities are eliminated---could be very convenient for certain people, couldn't it? People like angry white guys who haven't been able to make it on their own merits. Men who don't want to have to deal with women at work. Men who can't compete with the full panoply of the rest of the human race. That used to be the case, of course. Fifty years ago men--white men--had first dibs on all the good jobs and the good everything else that life had to offer. A lot of old guys really miss how good that was. They think something was 'taken away' from them! If abortion is eliminated, they could get that back when they force people to devote their bodies to pregnancies they don't want and kick us back into the kitchen.
Oh, and adoption? No, that is not an acceptable alternative. It's still forcing me to do a whole host of disabling, dangerous, permanently altering things to my body that I don't want. And the statistics for emotional health for women who give up babies for adoption are not good. There's far, far more grief involved than the fundies would like to admit. Far more grief than abortion creates for most of us who had had one.
I've wondered ever since if they were just trying to get some money out of a scared kid, and how many "abortions" in this country were actually just scams.
All this was meticulously explained to me by our lady of perpetual horsepucky….and with a straight face to boot. Sick beyond belief.
In fact 90% of the people agree on 90% of the issues. They are making it out that the liberals are for abortions. That is plain stupid. Most people do not want abortion, they, as the president iterated, agree that the numbers of abortions would go down if there were fewer unwanted pregnancies. That number would go way down if there was better sex-ed, more access to family planning, more openness about contraception and condoms. That would be the best way to reduce the number of abortions.
Most people also agree that once a woman is pregnant, that abortions could be reduced if they were given realistic choices about support, medical care, and adoption.
The few on the right that do not believe this are in the strange position of forcing women into unwanted pregnancies and denying them the support for the choice to keep the child to term.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdEI3rFvCY
And Allan Keyes, who was arrested at Notre Dame a week and a half ago, whined that there weren't any students supporting them.
They were trespassers. Well-funded, but trespassers. One of these days that DeVos and Ahmanson money is going to run out and then Randall Terry will have to get a real job.
Well, I'm two out of three. ( hopefully ) ;-)
I have a lot of priest friends who are older guys. (I went to seminary back in the middle ages and these are my classmates.) A lot of them are pretty liberal, are disgusted by what's going on -- the hijacking of the church by Wotyla, Ratzinger and the right-wing activists -- and they'd like to get out. These are guys who went to school in the '60s and '70s.
The problem is that if they left, there is nowhere for them to go, no Social Security or Medicare, and the church would cut them off without a cent. At age 60 and above, they wouldn't find jobs. I feel really bad for them. They're really stuck.
But the younger guys studying for the priesthood today and recently ordained are the same types you find at Free Republic or in the College Republicans. The church is vetting them viciously to make sure they are radical right wing and firmly in the closet (setting us up for another pedophilia scandal down the road).
1. FOX news enhanced the voices in the crowded compared to CNN's coverage.
2, Please explain how the FOX camera's immediately found the two "random" protestors in a crowd of thousands????
Dere iz a Gawd.
Creepy older guys, all of them.
Even the Catholic Church itself had no problem with abortion until the 18th century.
I literally laughed out loud when I saw the image during a brief glance at FOX this morning....
Like the entire Beltway oroboros, these people are frozen in the old prehistoric issue amber of bipolar political gridlock.
Like the people laughably pretending Darth Cheney has any credibility much less the non lesbian daughter...Get me some of what they're smoking, please...
They've still got the power. For now. If they lose the anger they might get to keep a little more of it for a longer time period.
I'm so used to GOP crowds chanting USA or 'drill baby drill' or something..
It certainly sounded as if they were all with Obama, but i'd still like to know what they were repeatng
They have obviously offended the rule of our nation's law. If not our nation's common sense.
Catholics vote moderate as a group. However their church is NOT MODERATE and they cannot change their church. So they finance what they do not believe in anyway. Consider it a well crafted method of getting money for political causes from people whom do not believe in those causes. Sort of like being your enemy's enabler.
Not smart.
In defense of marriage, we should refuse to recognize any vows of celibacy. The perversion of Augustine lies in the root of this nonsense, along with the virtuous but medieval notion that Catholicism did not want a caste of priests.
By this time a half millennium ago, Martin Luther and Ulrich Zwingli were already priests. The Middle Ages was closing out. There was no more danger of a piest class in Europe!