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AMERICAblog: Criticize AIG greed and you are waving a pitchfork

  • John · 9 months ago
    After watching Kieth Olberman’s special comment last evening over at C&L I just sat back and wondered where all of this went so wrong. As Olberman said throughout the piece, ” Enough”! The country has been brought to its knees by both a banking system built on greed and avarice as well as a government not of, by and for the people but for those with access to the highest bidder.
    if we are going to fix this financial train wreck, it is not going to be with the very people that have brought us to the edge of the abyss. We will have no recovery until the system is reformed and brought back into a sustainable balance. To achieve this end, the banks must be returned to business of banking again, with the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. The hedge funds must be restrained through fundamental regulatory reform.

    A private agency like the Fed is not capable of performing these tasks. The Fed, for all the rhetoric that surrounds it, is a private enterprise owned by the banks. The effectiveness of self-regulation and the rational efficiency of markets are the great myths that have led us to our current crisis.
    The Fed as the great regulator for multiple markets is an attractive choice for the government, because when it fails the government may point the finger of blame, and absolve itself of all responsibility for our ruin as they are attempting to do now. The mantra from the American people should be shut the Fed and in turn go back to a US Treasury banking system that the founders had entrusted to the people. Not to a private banking cartel whose only interest is the industry which they serve.
  • cowboyneok · 9 months ago
    "The Fed, for all the rhetoric that surrounds it, is a private enterprise owned by the banks. "

    Excellent point. "The Fed" needs to change its name from "The Federal Reserve" to "Banking 'Trust' Corporation" so people can wrap their minds around it is NOT a government agency. The name change, that WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, would pull back the curtain on who is REALLY controlling money policy.
  • Older_Wiser · 9 months ago
    Yes, and at this time, Bernanke is printing up a Trillion more to inject into the system and buying Treasury bonds. That will cheapen the bond rate and cause inflation at the same time. The dollar is already dropping again against other currencies.
  • Deacon_Blues · 9 months ago
    "We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part." -- Animal House

    Tar and feathers, anyone?
  • cowboyneok · 9 months ago
    ANIMAL HOUSE!
  • Ginger_FL · 9 months ago
    See above...I think overalls and cardboard pitchforks outside their corporate headquarters would work !!

    If not, then we should go to plan B....

    Animal House had it right !!
  • jcgraham77 · 9 months ago
    At some point the government is going to have to make an example out of one of these companies. Using AIG for this is just fine with me. I would prefer to use pitchforks to fix the corruption and overpayed execs while driving premiums down rather than have my thumbs up my arse. Who hasn't been screwed over by one of these companies...wether its a premium increase, unpaid claim, raised cc interest rate, overcharges, overdraft fees when the money was there, etc etc etc A huge difference exists between good business practices that create revenue ethically and business practices that the people are in--the execs are paid huge salaries to screw their customers out of their money wether it is through small print or osmosis. Time for them to pay.
  • liberaldemdave · 9 months ago
    is it just me, or does this not smack of "class warfare"?... oh, wait...my bad. it's only class warfare when the wealthy and privileged are being "attacked".

    cry me a f*cking river.
  • cowboyneok · 9 months ago
    I'm upset with excessive greed, just like the next American, but I want us to REMEMBER where this culture of corruption came from. I'm upset the corporate media is trying to pin the ENTIRE HUGE DISASTER of where we are right now on ONE ISSUE and because there is complicity with some Democrats in this particular issue thereby demonize every Democrat and make them PAY for the culture that was baked up by Republicans. Sure, I see some Democrats who need to take some heat over this issue, but the CRISIS didn't start with them. There are FAR MORE REPUBLICANS guilty of the whole culture of corruption and greed than the few Democrats who might be mixed up in the AIG crisis.

    I just saw that boob, Chuck Todd, on MSNBC try to equate this to "a Terry Schiavo moment." Oh, just stop it, Chuck. Stop trying to "make news" happen. I'm hoping there are enough Americans, like me, who can REMEMBER where all this started. I can guarantee this wouldn't even be an issue without the disastrous last eight years. We, as Americans, did the right thing in voting in a new political party and a Democratic President. We need to remember this crap didn't happen overnight and we aren't going to be able to fix the last eight years during Obama's NON-EXISTANT honeymoon or "first 100 days" of office. Americans need to realize the Republican party has screwed us, and screwed us good.

    Senator Grassley, made another unfortunate comment about "sucking the tit of taxpayers." I certainly agree I'm feeling like "Judy" right now:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vC43AIa-0YU/SN_yU-CKh...

    That said, I'm not going to forget who got us in this mess in the first place, and I'm not buying this whole knee jerk reaction from the corporate media. I'm sure they would just LOVE for Americans to stupidly go back to supporting the Republican agenda and clowns who got us into this mess, but I'm not buying it. This is NOT a "Terry Schiavo moment" for me. The untold lost blood, money and tears in Iraq was a Terry Schiavo moment for me, and I'm not going to forget it anytime soon. AIG Bonuses or not.
  • sukabi · 9 months ago
    the "media's perspective" is based on 2 things --

    1) creating a distraction to enrage the masses so the focus is on a tiny symptom instead of the much larger problem

    2) protecting THEIR way of life / lifestyle and that of the folks they spend "quality time" with at their parties / resorts / ect.
  • caphillprof · 9 months ago
    We've had class warfare actively engaged since at least Ronald Reagan. Now that the tide has turned the lower classes are expected to surrender before regaining any lost ground.

    How sad that it is only now that AIG employees are worrying about the future of their children.
  • scooter in brooklyn · 9 months ago
    now i have to admit i have a crush on matt taibbi just because he's so cute and smart - that said - his new piece at rolling stone is a MUST READ on aig and the crashed economy:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/2679...
  • Older_Wiser · 9 months ago
    That was good in explaining everything, but left me feeling even more outraged. Those bastards.
  • Older_Wiser · 9 months ago
    Chris, thanks for that absolutely righteous post. I agree with every word of it.

    None of them has an iota of integrity or a moral compass of any kind.
  • Ruthless Gravity · 9 months ago
    I'd like to hear about some of his employers and bonus packages.

    It's not like the dot coms didn't do a lot of damage too.
  • Older_Wiser · 9 months ago
    If the dot coms hadn't done all those IPOs as they were advised, and hadn't let Wall St. run their game, there never would have been a bust.
  • mccaverty · 9 months ago
    I actually thought the Post article was a fair and rational analysis of the situation. As Chris says, these people have been making lots of money for many years. And that is how it is. Some people make more than they deserve. A lot of people make less than they deserve. But do we really want the government to be so big that it can just step in and nullify private employment contracts - after they gave them the money to stay afloat? Surely the legislators (and Obama) should have known that these contractual bonuses existed before they agreed to bail out the companies. Maybe we need not put down our pitchforks, but rather change our focus as to who really deserves the sharp end in the butt.
  • Ruthless Gravity · 9 months ago
    Root out crime and prosecute it.

    Change laws so abuses don't happen again.

    But punishing for polical deafness strikes me as counterproductive.
  • cowboyneok · 9 months ago
    "But do we really want the government to be so big that it can just step in and nullify private employment contracts - after they gave them the money to stay afloat?"

    I have a solution! Lets bring back FAIR TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY. The tax rate has gone down for them year after year. Lets bring back the same tax rate they lived under during Reagan's Presidency. Yes, it was higher back then when Ronnie Raygun was President. The whole trickle down shit doesn't work. They can make all the money they want but they need to live on a reasonable amount of resources, like the rest of us. If you give them too much, it becomes a drug to them and then they start rattling cages for a war to increase their "defense investments." Make them LEARN to live moderately like THE REST OF US.
  • maudgonne · 9 months ago
    The upside is that now all the AIG people, at least, know what immigrants here in the upper forty eight have been going through with the oligarchy's paid cheerleaders....
  • Paul · 9 months ago
    Organizing a bus tour to drive by these people's houses is waving a pitchfork. No other way to describe it.
  • JustAnOldLady · 9 months ago
    Michelle Caruso Cabrera (CNBC) needs to talk to Jon Stewart.........she is totally obnoxious....... the PROBLEM as she sees it is too much government interference in wall street ........ she needs to lose her job and health benefits and find out she might WANT government help.......
  • Ginger_FL · 9 months ago
    I posted this on the other thread below as well.

    Wouldn't it be funny if some people dressed up in overalls with "American Tax Payer" on them waving Cardboard pitchforks showed up outside their posh corporate offices LOL.
    Not just AIG but Citi as well LOL

    They would sh*t a brick. LMFAO !!!
  • cowboyneok · 9 months ago
    I would be there with "Judy" filled with helium on a string wearing a sash that read "American Taxpayer!"

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vC43AIa-0YU/SN_yU-CKh...

    LOL

    Sorry, I keep posting links to "Judy" but I really think its funny.
  • AdmNaismith · 9 months ago
    The people who run AI|G did not do their jobs. The Traders and whatnot put together deals that were little more than ponzi schemes. The Upper Management did not know, did not want to know, or were not aware of what their employees were doing TO CRASH THE WORLD ECONOMY.

    If any of us did something like that, we'd be fired and/or behind bars. These jack holes deserve nothing less. They certainly do not deserve a Million Dollar Bonus.
  • Justin · 9 months ago
    My understanding of the "there are children involved" comment is that it was made with respect to death threats the executive claims to have received. I hate those AIG jerks, but if it's true they're receiving death threats, don't you think they have a right to be concerned for the safety of their children? I'm worried about putting food in my kids' mouths next month, but I am NOT worried that someone is going to hurt them in the process of trying to seek revenge on me.
  • cowboyneok · 9 months ago
    I've worried about the safety of my partner's kids when they were younger because I'm gay.

    Gays and lesbians have to worry about the safety of our families and friends who support us all the time. Why should AIG execs be any different? Sure, its wrong, to threaten violence but I've actually EXPERIENCED violence simply for choosing to be honest about my sexual orientation. Well, then again I guess I brought it on myself for daring to have a "Thanksgiving celebration" for "United Methodists for Lesbian and Gay Concerns." Silly me...

    All threats of violence are wrong, but I have a big problem with AIG execs who's actions got a bunch of crazies angry at them versus "average gay and lesbians Americans" who experience threats all the time from the same bunch of right wing idiots simply because we choose to be honest about our sexual orientation. AIG has some gall, as well, trying to get congress to feel sorry for them. Congress not only gets threats, but Democratic congressmen experienced ANTHRAX letters! I'm truly sorry for the children, but until one of the execs winds up strung up on a fence, like a scarecrow, in Wyoming or their kids actually start experiencing all kinds of hateful abuse at school because "Heather has two mommies" then its kind of hard for me to feel too sorry for them. The majority of those AIG execs are Republican and would have an anyeurism and their head would explode if gays and lesbians ever get the "Hate Crimes Protection Act" to pass that would include protections for lesbian and gay Americans. So, they can talk to the hand.
  • Justin · 9 months ago
    First, I agree with you that violence against gays and lesbians is wrong. i agree that that we should have a Hate Crimes Protection Act. None of that has anything to do with the AIG people. Even if they vote Republican (and we don't know if this guy does or not!), so do millions of other misguided people in this country, and it's hardly "his fault."

    My point is simply that it's bad reporting. The quote was taking out of context. Here it is IN context: "'You have to understand,' he said, 'there are kids involved, there have been death threats. ...' His voice trailed off. It looked as if he was fighting back tears."

    The way it's summarized here, it makes the guy seems like even more of a self-centered ass who is just worried that he won't be able to buy his kids a new pony. The second one reads more like a dad who is worried that his kids are going to be hurt by people trying to get to him. Maybe it doesn't seem this way to you, and that's your right, but the full quote should still be printed so that people can judge for themselves. I read this blog daily and quite enjoy its content. I just think it should try to adhere to journalistic standards of integrity (real ones, not the fake ones adopted by Faux News and its ilk) including providing adequate context for direct quotations.
  • Older_Wiser · 9 months ago
    He certainly wasn't thinking of his kids when he became a criminal, was he?
  • cowboyneok · 9 months ago
    My point exactly. I don't agree children should be the focus of any threats but the point about poor people's kids suffering is a VERY real point, and there are SO MANY OTHER examples of kids who suffer threats for reasons that are far harder to hunderstand than, "My millionaire daddy stole millions from the rest of you taxpayers!"
  • Justin · 9 months ago
    What does this have to do with accurate reporting? My one and only point in all of this is that the post takes a quote out of context and that I think that's bad journalistic practice.
  • devis1 · 9 months ago
    I'm more concerned about alot of other children really (Obama's for example). The people making these threats are run of the mill wingnuts. The little kiddies of the perps making the multimillion dollar bonuses are already extremely well protected from the riff raff.
  • tlsintx · 9 months ago
    i say let AIG crash and burn
    i don't care if the whole credit universe collapses in on itself
    we can start over and do better
  • Ginger_FL · 9 months ago
    Unfortunately, most Teacher pension plans in this country are part of AIG....

    Ooops...
  • pdxprobert · 9 months ago
    Same with police and fire unions and city and state pension funds from around the world too...
  • mtiffany · 9 months ago
    As a matter of fact, some of us are waving our pitchforks. And some of us even have torches too. I'm not looking to incite anyone to violence, but... if the last election didn't change the focus of the government from serving corporate interests to serving the citizens, then, well, if elections fail, then aside from violence, what's left?

    I mean, violence is what people have turned to in the past when they have lost faith in the capacity of the political process to solve problems.

    Aren't we kind of reaching that point?
  • Sacanagem · 9 months ago
    I've got the tiniest violin in the universe perched between my thumb and index finger, and it's PLAYING JUST FOR YOU!

    I mean, Jaysus.
  • jimkhm · 9 months ago
    Steven Pearlstein's comment that we can't punish those responsible, and save the banking system at the same time is a myth, one that has worn very very thin. What Steven Pearlstein is saying is that I knew what was going on, but I didn't write about it because I was making a killing in the market. Yeah he knew he was abusing the system, but so was everyone else. So lets not attack those of us who "pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps", after all we deserve it in a meritocracy. Never mind that most of what went on was at least unethical, if not illegal.
  • jeffk · 9 months ago
    I am not waving a pitchfork and wanting to use it on the AIG bastards. Definitely not! But only because I have neither the spare time nor the pitchfork.

    So, if someone wants to loan me a pitchfork, fly me to new york, and cover me for the days I miss at work, I'll gladly be on the front lines, pitchfork in hand, just waiting for my chance at them!
  • KerrynowCampau · 9 months ago
    Boy the "let the companies regulate themselves" crowd has lost that argument for a LOOOOONG time
  • foxy · 9 months ago
    Yeah "there are children involved..." just look at the poverty in this country....shameful.
  • Jennifer · 9 months ago
    Pitchforks, my ass. These bastards deserve a firing squad. Seditious toads, every last one of them.
  • ron · 9 months ago
    took this from here - http://thepoorman.net/2009/03/13/in-praise-of-c...

    "Somehow it’s always reasonable to hurt the poor as a way to make them shape up. Tougher bankruptcy laws, welfare reform, it’s all good social engineering.

    But if you talk about hurting the rich to make them reform, it’s terrible. Taking money away from a guy with plenty more to spare is worse then taking money away from a person with none left."
  • pdxprobert · 9 months ago
    So how much is this media whore, Pearlstein, getting for doing the bidding of Wall Street... Who would have that answer? Geinther or Bernanke? Or is their some new hack to be announced?
  • devlzadvocate · 9 months ago
    I'm gay, I'd throw a "bitchfork".
  • vkobaya · 9 months ago
    Congress ought to set up a bus trip for AIG people to see the destruction that they have brought to the world.

    No, that doesn't work. They lack the sensitivity to feel anything coming close to human emotions for the people whom they have damaged so badly. Remember Barbara Bush's reaction in the Astro Superdome to seeing those people displaced by Katrina? Look at Bernie Madoff. All Madoff can manage is a very insincere apology and, at the very best, feeling sorry for himself that he was caught. They are not capable of any regret, guilt or empathy. Rocks have more feeling.

    Not sure that punishment is any better. Instead of even at best, inhibiting their antisocial tendencies, punishment will build their resentment and thirst for revenge. But, on the other hand, long, long prison terms will at least lock them away and prevent them from committing more such crimes and protect decent, hard-working, honest folks.

    Another thing we need to do is restore the laws and regulations that will prevent a repeat of such excesses of greed, dishonesty and insane gambling with other people's money, and oh yes, the crackpot compounding of such grambling with derivatives. Yeah, and stop pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into the pockets of these crooks, rather put the money where it is needed and will actually end the crisis. Robert Sheerer says only a couple hundred billion dollars could actually stop the home foreclosures plus regulation to put an end to those ballooning unfair, racist interest rates.
  • munjoyfan · 9 months ago
    I regret that the children of AIG execs need to learn that Daddy is not a hero. But it's time for Daddy to level with them and foster character building, in the hope that they do better by their own children.
    I'll bet they haven't seen a lot of Daddy, anyhow, and they might see more of him in the future. This would be a good thing.
  • munjoyfan · 9 months ago
    You know, it's spring marching season. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there were spontaneous gatherings all over the country and on college campuses this weekend?
  • Gregory Lyons · 9 months ago
    Sludge recipients, 2008 (aka AIG campaign contributions):

    Barak Obama $104,332 (#!)
    Christopher Dodd $103,900 (#2)
  • TomJoad · 9 months ago
    Let them eat cake. It's been too long with our own version of "Royalty" and frankly people are waking up to the fact of what the republicans have done to this country for the last 30 years. Voodoo economics, "trickle down" bullshit, and the worst of all, "socialized risk, privatized profit".

    This backlash has been a long time coming. It is just, and correct.
    This is the beginning of a revolution of sorts. The "system" has been corrupt for years, and the myth of "free market" is uncovered...

    We don't need little princes and kings. Don't feel one bit of sympathy for the pampered "finance warriors" at all.
  • lucky hussein · 9 months ago
    agree, but lets not forget something very important - the media is all over this, b/c it's a SMOKESCREEN. where is the outrage for the reich-wingers who put us in this mess? rolling back depression era laws? phil gramm? bailouts going to overseas companies? all the other bailouts and giveaways with no oversight? the AIG bonuses is the smallest of symptoms -where is the outrage to fix the original problems? well I guess they just never existed! if we could just fix those greedy AIG execs - everything would be ok?
  • unclemike · 9 months ago
    Sorry, but if taking away your close-to-million-dollar "bonus" and leaving you with *just* your salary causes you a financial hardship? Fuck you. Yeah, and your kids, too.

    The rest of us manage to survive on quite a bit less than that, asshole.
  • shell · 9 months ago
    "The Times has a heartbreaking story of one poor chap at AIG who tears up and says "there are children involved"

    This reminds me of Ed McMahon, crying on Larry King for help. His trophy wife (about 40 years younger than he) was also upset. Oh yes! McMahon was filthy rich and suddenly was losing his house. As someone else said "boo fucking hoo." Oh, and what a SMALL house it was. I wonder how many Larry King watchers felt sorry for him.

    Clue phone, Americans -- if something seems too good to be true, it probably is.
  • freeleeper · 9 months ago
    wouldn't a good starting point for all this be to end/ban all banking mergers and acquisitions? big banks scarfing up little banks then seeking a taxpayer bailout for itself...
  • bob_h · 9 months ago
    Yes, the problem is that the Fed has used mergers as a way to save banks that are failing. WaMu gobbled by Morgan, Wachovia by Wells Fargo, etc. It is going in the wrong direction.
  • John Kelley · 9 months ago
    I agree, nothing the American people(Tax Payers) can do about it, AIG is a mess, I'm under the impression that the government can not do anything about it either but give them more money! I blame the current administration for this, not AIG going belly up, but letting them get by with using tax payer money for their greed. It's ridiculous.
  • bob_h · 9 months ago
    Note in that same Times article the statement by one of the AIG men that they are 80% through unwinding the credit default portfolio. These bastards will be out of our lives soon.
  • paulbe · 9 months ago
    The problem for too long has been not enough pitchforks.