i would be more than a little suspicious if somehow hillary manages to snag the nomination at this point. but i wouldn't be surprised.
Jim Olson
· 1 year ago
But...but...but...if we ask candidates hard questions, then they won't talk to us anymore and we won't have any soundbytes to loop endlessly with no analysis or reflection...we might actually have to DO SOME JOURNALISM!
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Democrats need to impeach the Clintons. Better late than never. :-)
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
There is always time to do the right thing.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
what a great post. check out the link sheriffruitfly posted. that truly buries Hillaries claim she is for the poor and middle class. The only major states she won were all the rich californians, mass, new york, etc.
I know what my handle says, but I have honestly stopped caring what Hillary does. In two to three weeks Obama is going to get a flood of superdelegates. John I don't know why you even bother posting about her any more.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Huffpost: Hillary is praying for a devastating anti-Obama story -- Jeremiah Wright-Tony Rezko squared - to surface and turn the Illinois Senator into an unacceptable candidate in the eyes of the media and convention delegates. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/hillar...
"Traitor" is a bit of a harsh word with all kinds of connotations.
I'd go with "Judas."
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
It is quite clear: the MSM is trying desperately to get Hillary the nom...reason being John McCain will stomp her into the ground come November, thus making sure that the MSM corporate powers maintain their status quo. This is all about corporate power and holding it. I am sure someday memos will be revealed in the news outlets that Obama cannot win at all costs.
Welcome to Fascist Idiot America
vwcat
· 1 year ago
John, you are wondering about why Hillary is staying in the race as though she is even concerned about other democrats or the party. She's not. It's all about her and the ego. She needs to stay in her vanity race to feed her ego and nothing else. To hell with everyone else and what's good for the party. It's about Hillary. That is why she's staying in. As for Obama having to waste time on her, well, that is something she would love. Running against Obama gives her publicity. Keep him focused on running against her and the cameras will stay on her.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
The HRC Campaign answers JA's 7 questions: 1. WV shows the people love HRC! And hate the black, Muslim guy! Apply to subquestions a, b, c. 2. WV shows the people love HRC! And hate the black, Muslim guy! 3. WV proves the people love HRC! And hate the black, unelectable, Muslim guy! 4. WV proves the people live HRC! And hate the black, scary, unelectable Muslim guy! 5. KY will prove, like all the states that really count, that HRC is the People's President. And the elitist, unelectable black guy is Hamas's President. 6. KY will prove, like all the states that really count, that HRC is the People's President. And the elitist, uppity unelectable black guy is Hamas's President. 7. KY will prove, like all the states that really count, that HRC is the People's President. And the elitist, uppity unelectable black guy is the Non-Hardworking, Non-White People's President.
shell
· 1 year ago
My take is that Hillary knows she cannot win, and just like small children, she thinks, "If *I* can't win -- no one (in the Dem party) will!" She is smart enough to know she has no chance in 2012. (She realizes how many more enemies she has now.) And this BS about, "I am staying in because women all over America have told me to" is just that -- BS.
As an added bonus -- she sees her beloved DLC going down in flames.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Have you ever BEEN to WV????
Capital of White Trailer Trash America
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
west virginia mountain momma
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Just read where Ron Paul might run as Indy. Oh please yes do that please pretty please yes yes yes Ron. How great it would be if Bob Barr AND Ron Paul ran this year. But only if Hillary is NOT in the race come November.
Go Ron Paul! Please! Do this!!!!
bunnyjump
· 1 year ago
IMO no one is standing up to the Clintons because Bill (and, by association, to some extent Hillary) was in all respects the titular head of the Democratic party. (For all his peccadilloes and mishandling of them, the party and constituents were happy with his legacy and people of the opposite political persuasion do have to admit to the robust economy of the Clinton presidency - remember fast food franchise signing bonuses and name-your-price job offers? Fat 401ks? *sigh*).
However, Hillary's campaign has literally and figuratively destroyed that legacy and is now destroying the party and party unity - NOW it is time for Dean, Pelosi, Reid, et al to "pull the plug of a respected elder" and put end to this self-serving, delusional hi-jacking of the presidential nomination.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
Ace Reporter Jim Rutenberg at the NYT today answers all 7 questions this way: 1. Obama's bowling score is bad. 2. Obama's bowling score is bad. 3. Obama's bowling score is bad. 4. Obama's bowling score is bad. 5. Obama's bowling score is bad. 6. Obama's bowling score is too bad for him to be electable, so HRC should stay in the race. 7. Obama's bowling score is so bad, he is just stuck in "limbo" and can't get the nomination. So HRC should stay in the race as long as MediaWhores like Rutenberg reiterate Obama's bad bowling score so that all the superdelegates will come to their senses and nominate the one candidate who doesn't have a bad bowling score.
JMOHR
· 1 year ago
In one sense, I can understand how hard it is to give up a dream and to admit defeat. This was Hillary's only real chance to run for president (presuming a Democratic victory this fall). She is obviously motivated, willing to put it all on the line to fight for it and willing to take on great odds.
However, she has the opportunity to continue on with a great senatorial career. Prior to throwing the sink at Obama, she would have been a great VP candidate. However, he win at all costs tactics in the last couple primaries have scotched that possibility.
The real question is how to get her out of the race. I feel sorry for her. It is just sad that she has now become a liability to the party when a gracious exit after the In and NC primaries would have left her with an obvious senior states person role both in the senate and the party.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
JMOHR...that is why she is pulling this shit...this is her only chance at the WH. And it's gone, ostensibly, at this point. Her ten foot long talons are going to clench for dear life until the party is shit and McCain gives us Term Bush III. She will rip the heart out of the nation before she will pull in her claws.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Have you ever BEEN to WV????
Is it any surprise that the corporate cable media, mostly lily-white pre-Imus and hankering for anything to absolve their own irresponsibility, have honed in on the Mississippi vote several months ago and this WVa one as somehow depicting some national "something" that isn't the unutterable and highly racial real "something" that isn't really their described national characteristic but variously localized??? Oooh, wait...I'm on Terry McAuliffe's meds and must be trippin...Why is victory always a salmon pantsuit?
maxstar212
· 1 year ago
I don't think that Hillary will pull out before the convention. And that is OK in some ways, conventions are for working these things out--and then everyone leaves unified.(Unless someone is like Kennedy, who doesn't endorse Carter.) But if the Obama people think that it is so harmful, they could ask Obama to pull out. By any reasonable count Hillary and Obama are only a few percentage points away from each other in total votes. It is almost a tie. He is only winning because people in Blacks, the Young and people in deep red states love him, and, lets face it, deep red states like Wyoming will go Republican and the Young will probably not vote in November and Identity politics is horrible. Hillary is popular in swing states, like Florida and Ohio where the battle is won or lost.)Obama can not win in November, and Hillary can. I am going to vote for Obama if he is the nominee (New York is such a deep Blue state that he better win here). Hillary as President and Obama as VP would be a great team. And Hillary is the best Presidential Candidate on Gay Rights.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
is it just me? or are hillary's actions (insisting she's a viable candidate, and continuing to force people to focus on her rather than mcsame) painting her as more ralph nader-like?
not in the political sense... in the sense that she's deflecting people from the REAL presidental race, Obama vs mcsame.
.
SINGING_TROLL
· 1 year ago
I think we have piled on Ralph enough. (sn)
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Bill Maher was right....sexism is far stronger than racism in America.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
maxstar212 I don't think that Hillary will pull out before the convention... ---
I just realized... hillary has something in common with george hw bush.
neither knows/knew when to pull out.
Quite_Contrary
· 1 year ago
Where is Dr. Melfi when we need her?
tofubo
· 1 year ago
john, your first mistake is applying logic, doing so here is like spray-painting graffiti on a waterfall
you can try, but its pointless, unless you want to discolor the pool everyone swims in at the bottom,,,,unless, that's what clinton wants to do....
dula
· 1 year ago
Doesn't Hillary need to stay in it until the Convention so she can tap into that $20 million she has reserved for the general in order to pay her debts? Also, she needs more time to convince the toothless masses to send her every last dime they earn from the coal mines...she puts the PTL Club to shame.
lovepeaceandallthat
· 1 year ago
Great post, John!! I hope people in the media do actually read it and begin to ask these questions.
Hey everyone, can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot? If Obama had her numbers and she had his... and he was still in the race? Um, I do tend to think that Hillary would be asking the same question John is asking of her.
I don't think this is pointless, like tofubo said. Not at all. I think these question should have been asked weeks ago (they would have been if Hillary was in the lead!). But John and others have waited until she was left with no strategy other than going against the will of the people.
Look, Hillary is dangerous to this country. She is already doing damage (read John's post). She is a danger to democracy itself. She is playing with the rules like a child does.
You can argue about the use of the word traitor if you like. But, again, Hillary would be using that word (and worse) if Obama was being as stubborn as she is.
I hope John's post gets linked to other blogs. It is to the point and asked superb questions.
bentammy
· 1 year ago
I'm not American, but seriously all the crap we have to hear in the rest of the world about a potential president 18 months before the elections, is gaylord plus 1000. screw the usa, life born and bred outside is so much better, to bad america doesnt know life outside the usa, trust me you would be surprised how less shithouse it is
tommytoonz
· 1 year ago
Maybe, and I'm just speculating here, Hillary is fine with splitting the party. Split Progressives from DLC-types and hope to create a new party over the next 4 years made up largely of moderates figuring she'll be able to peel off some from the Repubs and most of the Democrats because Obama won't have the institutional support from the DC insiders and can beat down the grass roots support he's built after the election.
SteamingPile
· 1 year ago
Institutional support? Isn't that what the superdelegates were supposed to confirm? Isn't that the whole reason we HAVE superdelegates?
bentammy
· 1 year ago
obama, yeah 57 states yeah! haha fuck me even a dumb fuck new zealander such as myself knows there is only 50 states. deadshit country 101, haha eat shit
Indigo
· 1 year ago
57 states? Officially, we have 50 but of course Puerto Rico makes 51 and Guam makes 51.5. Add Thailand to the mix and you've got 521/2. Canada wants in and would probably be broken into several pieces but that might not work out. They're very tempermental, Canadians are. Australia is way too far away to count and then there's New Zealand . . . well, yes, the scenery in Lord of the Rings was very pretty but . . . no offense, but why would we absorb New Zealand? Not right away. Sorry.
SteamingPile
· 1 year ago
Wow. A declaration of war from the netroots. Who would we get for our third-party bid? How many points would Kos get in a three-way race? Is he over 35?
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Yeah, you're right, it's not like a blog has ever been able to cause trouble for a candidate before. Oh wait, yes we have. Never mind,
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Let it go. Once the convention has turned Hillary aside, we won't hear from her again. A year from now, it'll take a moment to remember who she is.
tisjustme61
· 1 year ago
Each day this presidential campaign drags on with Hillary not smelling the black roses of defeat, America, not just the democratic party, is hurting and becoming more divided and derailed. Four more, possibly eight, years with a Clinton in the White House and America will continue to be hit hard with the same ole politics and lobbyist run government. To me, it is time for a change - I wish the founding fathers of this nation could return to put the government back on track for the people, of the people and by the people. America is derailed because of the me-only syndrome of our politicans. Good By Hillary - it is time to bow out gracefully and go into retirement and never be heard from again. Ever!!!
DoctorJ
· 1 year ago
Exactly -- I've been calling Hillary a traitor for some time now. But then again, "party unity" is an oxymoron when it comes to the Democrats.
Clancy
· 1 year ago
John, add this to your list od questions: You've indicated publicly (during the PA debate) that Obama can win the general election. So, if he's the candidate with the most elected delegates & he can win, why do you think advocating over-ruling the will of the Democratic electorate through the super delegates is necessary?
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Who does Hillary work for?
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
Ouch!
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Clinton's response:
Because.
VinceK
· 1 year ago
Once again we bring up the super delegates, fine. Since it's a issue that they should vote as their primaries go, then why is it accepted that the ones that OVERIDE SAID CONTESS,that's ok now that Obama has some in his favor. I have 2 questions for you. 1. Why do we split up the delegates, I'm for winner take all. It makes it simple. 2. When are we going to have a true elected president by popular vote only. It's time to dump the electorial college system and be a true Democracy.
Clancy
· 1 year ago
VinceK, supers technically don't override elections, they augment, or add to them. I doubt many people actually believe that supers should always vote with their state, but if a particular super decides to use that as their determinative criteria, then more power to them.
As for your questions: 1) If you like winner take all, then become a Republican or wait until the general election, where the Electoral College will give you all that and more. 2) Do you realize how this question directly contradicts your first one? You like winner take all for the primaries but hate it for the general? If there's some logic there, share it, please.
jr
· 1 year ago
"I wish I had gone to your church's slave auction"-Hillary to John Hagee
KansasModerate
· 1 year ago
You've proved time and time again, Mr. Aravosis tthat you don't really care what the boobs and twits outside the Beltway think. So it's no surprise that you don't believe Democrats living in states holding their primaries in May have any rights to vote.
No you and the other elitists have your nominee and the Democratic lemmings are to line up and jump off the cliff with you.
Right now, you and the co-elitists-in-chief (a/k/a as Barack and Michelle) have the same coalition that did George McGovern, Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale so much good.
The other Democrats in the "base" -- the ones you need to win the presidency -- are supportung Hillary. They obviously want Hillary to stay in the race through the last primary WHICH IS JUST A FEW WEEKS AWAY. If you and other elitists on the far left fringe of the party were to succeed in disenfranchising Democratic voters in Kentucky, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico it would be very difficult to get Hillary's base to move into Obama's column.
Why don't you take your lead from Obama (oh, dear, I forgot, his heart and mind aren't full of hatred for Hillary). Anyway, listen to him, and col it. He has passed the word not to attack Hillary. He has publicly endorsed her right to campaign through the end of the primaries.
He is smart enough to recognize the problem he faces. It isn't unusual in a hotly contested primary, be it for mayor, governor or president, for supporters of the loser to say they'll stay home in the general election or vote for the other party's candidate. Those numbers seldom hold up as the general election nears. But in all my years in politics and as a political history junky I've never seen numbers as high as they are for Clinton supporters who say they will not vote for Obama. Hold your elitist nose and go into working class taverns in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, West Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts and you'll soon learn why the Obama camp is probably scared shitless.
Again, Aravosis, cool it. You're not helping McCain.
KansasModerate
· 1 year ago
Ooops. Made a typo in the last line of previous comment. I meant to say, you're helping McCain not helping Obama.
DougStamate
· 1 year ago
To respond to the questions in order: 1. After the first ballot delegates no longer need to vote for their pledged candidate - this may help or harm Sen. Clinton, but it certainly doesn't imply a "civil war" in the Democratic Party. If there is no movement of delegates to Sen. Clinton (or there is a movement away from her), she can then withdraw he name from consideration. 2. The DNC is not running for President. 3. The general election is five and a half months away. The post-conventions campaigning hasn't even begun. Those polls may or may not reflect September/October 2008. 4. Candidates who have to rely on someone else to win their elections for them usually do find it hard to raise funds. If they can't convince their "donors", how are these candidates going to convince the voters? 5. It's their money and a Democratic candidate hasn't yet been chosen. 6. Hopefully Sen. Obama is able to multi-task; a trait needed as President. 7. It is indeed shameful - on their part - if their "hatred" is based on the stands/policies she has spoken about during her campaigning. However, if she is "hated" because she refuses to concede a race that her opponent has yet to win - that is just petty and juvenile. Once there's a Democratic nominee for President, then we'll listen.
hillaryfan
· 1 year ago
Tsk, Tsk, John. I have some tough questions for you:
1. If this race is so over and it doesn't mean anything by Hillary remaining in the race, then why are you wasting your time and our time by writing articles like this? It's because you don't have anything GOOD to say about Obama and you might be having doubts.
2. Why do you say it is Hillary that has drawn out this election and not the voters who have kept her and big "O" only 1% apart? I thought the voters decided elections. Not you or superdelegates or our government. Is this Russia?
3. Why do the unions/organizations that back Hillary have to drop their endorsements NOW when Obama hasn't secured the nomination, whether math is involved or not? Has Obama received the required amount of pledged delegates at this time? NO!
4. Have you looked at the latest Rasmussen polls, Hillary's negativity rating is has been the same for months and Obama's has dropped over 10 points and keeps dropping since Rev. Wright? Hillary didn't bring Rev. Wright to the forefront, Obama shot himself in the foot on that one.
5. Why is Hillary a traitor for staying in a race when she has every right? Are you not a human rights traitor for demanding to her get out? How Hamas of you.
6. An increasing number of Democrats do not hate Hillary, but hate people like you for making a paycheck based on personal opinion and not on facts. People now hate you, MSNBC, CNN, Huffington Post, Richardson, Kerry, Leahy, Powers, Rockefeller, and many others because you instigated the civil war in the first place. Why do you assume all these new voters have only been for Obama. Get real. You, and other Kool-aid drinkers have turned me (a lifelong Dem) into an independent, not Hillary.
7. Whether blacks, youth, whites, women or whoever leave the democratic party, it won't be because of Hillary's campaign. It will be because the DNC and you want to manipulate the people's votes into a scenario that will keep Obama at the top of the ticket. Superdelegates have never had to fear for the own personal safety in a campaign before and don't tell me Lewis (GA) switched to Obama early on because he was "moved". Now you are threatening Hillary and her supporters that 18 year olds and blacks will have their feelings hurt if Obama is not the nominee and Hillary is. Whaaaaaaa. More whining from Obama. Charisma may get you into the party, but it doesn't automatically create respect. Obama couldn't give a good stump speech with a cue card or a teleprompter if his candidacy depended on it.
Once you answer these questions with reason instead of opinion, then we can believe the words that come out of your mouth and your keyboard. Because you and a lot of MEN have demanded that Hillary quit, it shows what Dem. male leaders think of a woman competitor. Don't worry, the republicans have respect for women in government. Look at McCain's organization, he's got women at some of the top advisory positions. Does Obama? Ann Rice. That's it. Powers bit the dust. Where are the women?
paul94611
· 1 year ago
Hillary, Terry, Howard, Ann and the rest of team Hillary really does not care. They have chosen to resurrect the mantle of Dixiecrat and rename it Hillarycrat.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8...
Sullivan links to your post!!!!! :-)
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
Democratic minds think alike. :-)
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=95523
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/hillar...
My hunch: Clinton is hoping to "I-bomb" Obama with help from the neocons.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
I'd go with "Judas."
Welcome to Fascist Idiot America
She needs to stay in her vanity race to feed her ego and nothing else. To hell with everyone else and what's good for the party. It's about Hillary.
That is why she's staying in.
As for Obama having to waste time on her, well, that is something she would love. Running against Obama gives her publicity. Keep him focused on running against her and the cameras will stay on her.
1. WV shows the people love HRC! And hate the black, Muslim guy! Apply to subquestions a, b, c.
2. WV shows the people love HRC! And hate the black, Muslim guy!
3. WV proves the people love HRC! And hate the black, unelectable, Muslim guy!
4. WV proves the people live HRC! And hate the black, scary, unelectable Muslim guy!
5. KY will prove, like all the states that really count, that HRC is the People's President. And the elitist, unelectable black guy is Hamas's President.
6. KY will prove, like all the states that really count, that HRC is the People's President. And the elitist, uppity unelectable black guy is Hamas's President.
7. KY will prove, like all the states that really count, that HRC is the People's President. And the elitist, uppity unelectable black guy is the Non-Hardworking, Non-White People's President.
As an added bonus -- she sees her beloved DLC going down in flames.
Capital of White Trailer Trash America
mountain momma
Go Ron Paul! Please! Do this!!!!
However, Hillary's campaign has literally and figuratively destroyed that legacy and is now destroying the party and party unity - NOW it is time for Dean, Pelosi, Reid, et al to "pull the plug of a respected elder" and put end to this self-serving, delusional hi-jacking of the presidential nomination.
1. Obama's bowling score is bad.
2. Obama's bowling score is bad.
3. Obama's bowling score is bad.
4. Obama's bowling score is bad.
5. Obama's bowling score is bad.
6. Obama's bowling score is too bad for him to be electable, so HRC should stay in the race.
7. Obama's bowling score is so bad, he is just stuck in "limbo" and can't get the nomination. So HRC should stay in the race as long as MediaWhores like Rutenberg reiterate Obama's bad bowling score so that all the superdelegates will come to their senses and nominate the one candidate who doesn't have a bad bowling score.
However, she has the opportunity to continue on with a great senatorial career. Prior to throwing the sink at Obama, she would have been a great VP candidate. However, he win at all costs tactics in the last couple primaries have scotched that possibility.
The real question is how to get her out of the race. I feel sorry for her. It is just sad that she has now become a liability to the party when a gracious exit after the In and NC primaries would have left her with an obvious senior states person role both in the senate and the party.
Is it any surprise that the corporate cable media, mostly lily-white pre-Imus and hankering for anything to absolve their own irresponsibility, have honed in on the Mississippi vote several months ago and this WVa one as somehow depicting some national "something" that isn't the unutterable and highly racial real "something" that isn't really their described national characteristic but variously localized???
Oooh, wait...I'm on Terry McAuliffe's meds and must be trippin...Why is victory always a salmon pantsuit?
not in the political sense... in the sense that she's deflecting people from the REAL presidental race, Obama vs mcsame.
.
I don't think that Hillary will pull out before the convention...
---
I just realized... hillary has something in common with george hw bush.
neither knows/knew when to pull out.
you can try, but its pointless, unless you want to discolor the pool everyone swims in at the bottom,,,,unless, that's what clinton wants to do....
Hey everyone, can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot? If Obama had her numbers and she had his... and he was still in the race? Um, I do tend to think that Hillary would be asking the same question John is asking of her.
I don't think this is pointless, like tofubo said. Not at all. I think these question should have been asked weeks ago (they would have been if Hillary was in the lead!). But John and others have waited until she was left with no strategy other than going against the will of the people.
Look, Hillary is dangerous to this country. She is already doing damage (read John's post). She is a danger to democracy itself. She is playing with the rules like a child does.
You can argue about the use of the word traitor if you like. But, again, Hillary would be using that word (and worse) if Obama was being as stubborn as she is.
I hope John's post gets linked to other blogs. It is to the point and asked superb questions.
Because.
1. Why do we split up the delegates, I'm for winner take all. It makes it simple.
2. When are we going to have a true elected president by popular vote only. It's time to dump the electorial college system and be a true Democracy.
As for your questions:
1) If you like winner take all, then become a Republican or wait until the general election, where the Electoral College will give you all that and more.
2) Do you realize how this question directly contradicts your first one? You like winner take all for the primaries but hate it for the general? If there's some logic there, share it, please.
No you and the other elitists have your nominee and the Democratic lemmings are to line up and jump off the cliff with you.
Right now, you and the co-elitists-in-chief (a/k/a as Barack and Michelle) have the same coalition that did George McGovern, Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale so much good.
The other Democrats in the "base" -- the ones you need to win the presidency -- are supportung Hillary. They obviously want Hillary to stay in the race through the last primary WHICH IS JUST A FEW WEEKS AWAY. If you and other elitists on the far left fringe of the party were to succeed in disenfranchising Democratic voters in Kentucky, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico it would be very difficult to get Hillary's base to move into Obama's column.
Why don't you take your lead from Obama (oh, dear, I forgot, his heart and mind aren't full of hatred for Hillary). Anyway, listen to him, and col it. He has passed the word not to attack Hillary. He has publicly endorsed her right to campaign through the end of the primaries.
He is smart enough to recognize the problem he faces. It isn't unusual in a hotly contested primary, be it for mayor, governor or president, for supporters of the loser to say they'll stay home in the general election or vote for the other party's candidate. Those numbers seldom hold up as the general election nears. But in all my years in politics and as a political history junky I've never seen numbers as high as they are for Clinton supporters who say they will not vote for Obama. Hold your elitist nose and go into working class taverns in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, West Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts and you'll soon learn why the Obama camp is probably scared shitless.
Again, Aravosis, cool it. You're not helping McCain.
1. After the first ballot delegates no longer need to vote for their pledged candidate - this may help or harm Sen. Clinton, but it certainly doesn't imply a "civil war" in the Democratic Party. If there is no movement of delegates to Sen. Clinton (or there is a movement away from her), she can then withdraw he name from consideration.
2. The DNC is not running for President.
3. The general election is five and a half months away. The post-conventions campaigning hasn't even begun. Those polls may or may not reflect September/October 2008.
4. Candidates who have to rely on someone else to win their elections for them usually do find it hard to raise funds. If they can't convince their "donors", how are these candidates going to convince the voters?
5. It's their money and a Democratic candidate hasn't yet been chosen.
6. Hopefully Sen. Obama is able to multi-task; a trait needed as President.
7. It is indeed shameful - on their part - if their "hatred" is based on the stands/policies she has spoken about during her campaigning. However, if she is "hated" because she refuses to concede a race that her opponent has yet to win - that is just petty and juvenile.
Once there's a Democratic nominee for President, then we'll listen.
1. If this race is so over and it doesn't mean anything by Hillary remaining in the race, then why are you wasting your time and our time by writing articles like this? It's because you don't have anything GOOD to say about Obama and you might be having doubts.
2. Why do you say it is Hillary that has drawn out this election and not the voters who have kept her and big "O" only 1% apart? I thought the voters decided elections. Not you or superdelegates or our government. Is this Russia?
3. Why do the unions/organizations that back Hillary have to drop their endorsements NOW when Obama hasn't secured the nomination, whether math is involved or not? Has Obama received the required amount of pledged delegates at this time? NO!
4. Have you looked at the latest Rasmussen polls, Hillary's negativity rating is has been the same for months and Obama's has dropped over 10 points and keeps dropping since Rev. Wright? Hillary didn't bring Rev. Wright to the forefront, Obama shot himself in the foot on that one.
5. Why is Hillary a traitor for staying in a race when she has every right? Are you not a human rights traitor for demanding to her get out? How Hamas of you.
6. An increasing number of Democrats do not hate Hillary, but hate people like you for making a paycheck based on personal opinion and not on facts. People now hate you, MSNBC, CNN, Huffington Post, Richardson, Kerry, Leahy, Powers, Rockefeller, and many others because you instigated the civil war in the first place. Why do you assume all these new voters have only been for Obama. Get real. You, and other Kool-aid drinkers have turned me (a lifelong Dem) into an independent, not Hillary.
7. Whether blacks, youth, whites, women or whoever leave the democratic party, it won't be because of Hillary's campaign. It will be because the DNC and you want to manipulate the people's votes into a scenario that will keep Obama at the top of the ticket. Superdelegates have never had to fear for the own personal safety in a campaign before and don't tell me Lewis (GA) switched to Obama early on because he was "moved". Now you are threatening Hillary and her supporters that 18 year olds and blacks will have their feelings hurt if Obama is not the nominee and Hillary is. Whaaaaaaa. More whining from Obama. Charisma may get you into the party, but it doesn't automatically create respect. Obama couldn't give a good stump speech with a cue card or a teleprompter if his candidacy depended on it.
Once you answer these questions with reason instead of opinion, then we can believe the words that come out of your mouth and your keyboard. Because you and a lot of MEN have demanded that Hillary quit, it shows what Dem. male leaders think of a woman competitor. Don't worry, the republicans have respect for women in government. Look at McCain's organization, he's got women at some of the top advisory positions. Does Obama? Ann Rice. That's it. Powers bit the dust. Where are the women?
They have chosen to resurrect the mantle of Dixiecrat and rename it Hillarycrat.