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AMERICAblog: DNC gay fundraiser starting to fall apart over rupture between Obama and gay community

  • Chris From Maine · 5 months ago
    whats amazing to me is that there is still debate over whether some Americans deserve equal rights.

    Maybe more straight people like me need to get involved in this issue, maybe straight people should join gay people in some kind of boycott or something. I dont know.

    What I do know is that the gay rights movement needs a leader, and a good one. Who is that? I have no idea.
  • bowser · 5 months ago
    As a straight person I absolutely agree 100%.

    Overturn DADT and DOMA now!!!@#$%

    Pass ENDA now!!!!!@#$$%

    It is time. And my wife agrees.

    And I agree with you Chris, we straights need to join gay people in action. =-)
  • catdance · 5 months ago
    At the very least, when those fundraising letters and emails come your way, take the time to write your above comments on them (with or without the expletives :) and ship 'em on back. Tell them, NO MONEY FOR YOU until you stand up.
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    Good for them. Good for the people refusing to participate in this travesty.

    In the space of just a few weeks: 1) the total silence about our issues from the "fierce advocate", as usual 2) some half assed "Pride Proclamation 3) The same ol' crap about not being able to immediately stop the discharges of gay and lesbian servicemembers 4) A DISGUSTING, homophobic piece of shit legal brief defending DOMA 4) John Berry uttering the same damn talking points about said legal brief as from the DoJ...plus saying Hate Crimes will be passed next, but then again, well we just don't have the votes 5) and now spineless as usual Harry Reid says he has no intention of introducing DADT repeal in the Senate, because well, Obama can do it. Am I missing anything?

    And now we're asked to give MONEY to these people in some fundraiser? That's just a little too goddamned much to take.
  • nicho · 5 months ago
    Yeah -- you missed the lame "joke" at the fundraiser in Beverly Hills.
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    Oh, I forgot the "joke" about the Iowa marriage equality ruling at the White House Corrspondents Dinner, also.
  • Rachel · 5 months ago
    Good! Finally, some backlash! I was starting to get real pissed off at how quickly and forcefully the gay community was being trampled by the new administration and congressional Democrats who, once again, refuse to take a stand on any principle whatsoever. This is the definition of an abusive relationship, and it's time to say ENOUGH.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    maybe we should say this "we apologize but right now isnt the right "TIME" for a fundraiser, we "are fierce advocates for all you running for office", we just have to focus on other things right now, and we dont have the votes to decide what time the party should be but hey we can probally come up with a fundraiser around 2020 or around then thanks
  • PeteWa · 5 months ago
    excellent.
  • Chris From Maine · 5 months ago
    I think the gay community needs to boycott all fundraisers, unsubcribe from all emails, and start flooding the white house et al with calls, letters, emails, etc.

    make them take notice. Use Obama's own words.. we are the ones we have been waiting for.
  • SFNative · 5 months ago
    Change will not come if we wait for some other time or some other person. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.

    Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.

    Change doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington.
  • frank · 5 months ago
    Is the Speaker up for re-election in 2010? San Franciscans could send a very strong message. Mission-Castro-Noe-Hayes Valley-Tenderloin are fed up with this stuttering speaker
  • Chris From Maine · 5 months ago
    every house member is up every 2 years, so yeah she is.

    If San Franciscans elected a gay member of congress and booted Pelosi, that would be a pretty big deal.

    Just saying.
  • Tom in Lazybrook · 5 months ago
    I'm in to help fund a primary or third party challenge to Pelosi on the issue of inaction/incompentence on LGBT issue advocacy. I've got some political dollars that aren't going to help straight Dems get elected or reelected so I'll spend on that if a candidate can be found
  • usagi · 5 months ago
    Pity it's impossible. Seriously, the seat is Pelosi's as long as she wants to sit in it. There's no other viable candidate who can oppose her in the primary and the winner of Democratic primary wins the seat. That's just the reality of SF politics.
  • Chris From Maine · 5 months ago
    san francisco is a big place. I'm sure theres enough anti-pelosi feeling there and enough people willing to support a gay candidate, that nothing is impossible.
  • usagi · 5 months ago
    It doesn't work that way here. SF is a machine city. Always has been & still is (though a smidgen less so than before).

    Something you must always keep in mind about Pelosi (and Newsom for that matter) is that they are, by comparison, very conservative candidates. For the vaulted liberal reputation of the City, it consistently elects the most conservative of the possible candidates available (I don't count the token Republican sacrificial lambs who run in SF--they couldn't get elected dogcatcher). Cindy Sheehan ran against Pelosi last cycle, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone with a higher profile or access to more national funding. I don't think she cleared 5% of the vote. No one who wants to have a future in California politics is going to go against Pelosi and anyone without a future isn't going to win. Yes, that sucks, but the House of Representatives is an incumbency protection racket.

    Term limits are a worse option. Part of the reason California finally melted down after all this time is that the last of the incumbents have been termed out of the leg. There's no one left in Sacramento (at least in the statehouse) that knows how to play the game well enough to keep it going with no visible means of support. The oldtimers could do it by force of will and accumulated power. The froshes don't have the juice.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    For someone who usually has something to say about everything, isn't it strange how silent Pelosi has been? At least the homophobe Reid revealed his cards.
  • Trev · 5 months ago
    And moving Sotomayor announcement to the day the Prop 8 decision came down was no mistake either. The Obama camp did it to knock the gay issue out of that news cycle.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    thank f'n god someone else has pointed this out thank you thank you very much
  • gaylawyer · 5 months ago
    I was bitching about this loudly on Decision Day but no one seemed to agree with me (or at least wouldn't say so). Not only was the nomination announced that day, but the sheer volume of press coverage of Sotamayor on that day was astoundingly surreal. Nothing truly newsworthy received any attention to speak of that day. It just smelled rotten.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    oh i realized it imediately it was such a set up job to deflect
  • Eric J Nicholson · 5 months ago
    I had predicted (to contacts) before that Obama would pay a price over this issue. The HRC and the Log Cabin Republicans (gay) are not in any way the same in their regard to politics. I don't think anyone as yet, has made the comparison but the Log Cabin Republicans have given money to the Republican party for years and gotten nothing in return but scorn. HRC is not so gullible as to give money to a losing cause that Obama seems to be expressing and representing.

    I only hope Barney Frank and others that organized this 'fund raiser' have realized that with the issuance of the Justice Department hateful brief on LGBT's, that they will be wise to reverse themselves on their sponsorship of this charade of a fund raiser. I really have the sense that Obama has distanced himself from a group of people who not only fought to get him in office, but can also remove him in the next election cycle or hurt his chances in a very real way. Obama has not lived up to his famous rhetoric and promises he made prior to the election. Now he makes pretty speeches but I'm no longer impressed with his words which sound hollow and without meaning. Nick
  • McLovin · 5 months ago
    My thoughts about this is that Obama used a lot of people to get elected, and now he's trying to appeal to the right wing to garner the votes he will certainly lose from his own party. I can't believe I was fooled by him enough to give him my time and money. That was one short lived celebration for a new time dawning in America. Obama is just a black Bush.
  • IamSmartypants · 5 months ago
    Over on Pam's House Blend I posted a diary to spark discussion on on how we can effectively pressure Obama and the Democratic leadership to get moving. Everyone's input is welcome: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/11473/an-or....

    A immediate step is to close our checkbooks to all the Democratic organizations and any candidate for Congress who hasn't endorsed or sponsored legislation to support full equality (including tax and Social Security benefits) and the repeal of DOMA and DADT.
  • eteoclys · 5 months ago
    What a fantastic call to arms. I am SO blown away by the astute comments on this board - I only joined today after reading these thoughts. What I wouldn't give if THIS COUNCIL were the governing body of this country (whatever your skeletons - arraharh!).

    But EVERYONE ON HERE should go to the above link at Pam's House Blend (my favorite net site) and really absorb the call to action there. Especially creating a gauntlet and yelling "Shame, Shame" whenever the Obamas or Bidens are present.

    Man I was so in love with those idiots! I am duped as much as the arch conservatives say. Urg. Okay, well, no more - time to make them pay us back for ALL that fundraising and petition rounding.

    Please check out "IamSmartypants"'s link and pass it around.
  • Leo Cuevas · 5 months ago
    All the national blogs like Dailykos, politicalwire, mydd, huffingtonpost, etc. should band together on this issue and hold Obama and Democrats accountable for stringing us along. Perhaps create a logo and a website where we can all be on the same page on this issue.

    WE should stop supporting, in anyway the Democratic Party until DOMA or DADT is done away with.

    We can do this ... let's do this.

    With friends like these .....
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    agreed.
  • rickwla · 5 months ago
    Exactly what I've been saying and wrote to HRC today to ask that they work with all the progressive blogs for a national call to action. We need one place with all the information on this latest debacle so we can point more of our friends and supporters to.
  • Bob · 5 months ago
    If you want to ask Barney Frank, Tammy Baldwin or Jared Polis why they are still sponsoring the fund raiser here are their phone numbers in Washington. I think it makes sense to also let them know that they also will not be receiving any future donations if they sponsor. Let them ask Obama for matching funds!

    Barney Frank - (202) 225-5931
    Tammy Baldwin - (202) 225-2906
    Jared Polis - (202 225-2161
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 5 months ago
    i think obama is on the precipice here and it's not because of the LGBT voting bloc per se, which (let's face it) is not significant when the prez has 65% approval. it's because our straight allies are starting to see for themselves that obama is duplicitous on core issues. i predict that the liberals who have been excusing and apologizing for him will fall away one by one over the summer as the truth sinks in. that's unless obama does something to stop the hemorrhaging. rahm had better re-calibrate soon, or it's going to be a long miserable summer in the west wing.
  • usagi · 5 months ago
    (Paraphrasing) "I don't mind that you lied to me; I mind that I can't trust you any more."
    He's untrustworthy. More pointedly, he's a liar. And that's what will really start tanking his numbers if it takes hold. And I think we should do everything in our power to make it happen as rapidly as possible. Better on this than on healthcare.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 5 months ago
    obama's problem is that he has already maxed out his conservative support because of the heavy component of racism and free-market fundamentalism on that side. he needs his base. so far they are going along but i don't think that will continue much longer.
  • Gary SF · 5 months ago
    Good assessment. I was just thinking about the anti-abortion crowd and how they put up with lots of lip-service and little action from Bush the 1st.

    I think that Obama was planning to use that strategy. Too bad for him that he misjudged our anger and our ability to use technology to communicate. Adding to our anger is the Prop 8 vote and subsequent ruling.

    As an aside, I have found your assessments and insights enlightening. Thanks for adding to the mix.

    It is going to be a long hot summer. But it is also going to be a productive summer. Never have I been so optimistic. In a way, Obama is doing us a favor. Too bad it means that he will not be elected to a second term.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Perhaps an Independent who is progressive will win. ( I must be dreaming . . .)
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 5 months ago
    i'm optimistic too. obama has an amazing intellect. maybe he can kick the homophobia and the cigarettes at the same time.
  • sistersbeav · 5 months ago
    I agree with you. More and more of my LIBERAL friends, as well as myself, are plain pissed off at he prez. The DNC called me the other day asking for money. I took the opportunity to go off on the caller about my infuriation w/ the coward-in-chief and the woefull scaredy cats among the cong/sen dems.
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    I have to agree with you on this. It is not only a gay issue but he is failing other constituents as well. We'll see how they handle all of this.
  • Domaq · 5 months ago
    It is the same mistake the Republicans made. Gays are too small a group to matter. They forget all how large a block is included with our families, friends and allies.

    They don't want to repeat Clinton's poor press for DADT, but 15 years the landscape has changed, critical mass is building and the mistake will be not repealing DADT.
  • emjayay · 5 months ago
    Yeah, I'm not sure if it's just me, or is maybe enough of the country just generally getting more on our side. Plus we are justifiably pissed that Obama's general agenda is in motion except the "fierce advocate" part, which seems to get ignored at best and Bronx cheered repeatedly. If that fundraiser gets screwed up to some degree, and it hits Yahoo news, well things could really start getting interesting. Obama seems to be amazingly so smart and so cool for someone who is actually the President of the US. plus being so far a pretty good politician....what gives?
  • catdance · 5 months ago
    Next up: Obama is pissing off the trial lawyers now, tying medical coverage to tort reform.

    I'm seriously beginning to think he only wants one term, the way he's managing to drive away all his big money supporters.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    maybe we should say this "we apologize but right now isnt the right "TIME" for a fundraiser, we "are fierce advocates for all you running for office", we just have to focus on other things right now, and we dont have the votes to decide what time the party should be but hey we can probally come up with a fundraiser around 2020 or around then thanks
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    *snort* loves it :D
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    Rachel Maddow, our LGBT queen, is not covering the DOMA brief right now on MSNBC.
  • jixter · 5 months ago
    You meant to say "is now covering ... ", didn't you, cowboyneok?

    Just checking ... 'cuz I was watching her and she did.
  • dula · 5 months ago
    Obama is a con artist. I turn the tv/radio off whenever I hear him and his dentalized S's. The full weight of the state of this Nation does not register on that Player's face, with his ear to ear grins...he's having way too much fun being Prez...can't stand the sight of him.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    my mom pointed this out, an illegal couple that cross's the border their marriage is recongnized by the u.s. and they get benifits and their childeren get benifits. which is odd
  • Michael Gass · 5 months ago
    John,

    Unfortunately, the gay and lesbian community are to the Democratic Party that the religious right are (were) to the GOP.

    If the GOP wanted to repeal Roe v Wade, it would have been done under Bush/Cheney, but, to do that would take away a social issue that they can turn into votes election after election.

    If the Democrats wanted to repeal DADT, DOMA, and make sure gays and lesbians were no longer treated as second-class citizens, they could do it now. But, to do so would remove a huge liberal issue.

    It's all a kabuki dance for votes...
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    You are right, they are all whores.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    no they are pimps we are their whores
  • MPetrelis · 5 months ago
    Thank goodness Iranians are NOT following the example of USA gays and HRC:


    http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2009/06/if-irania...
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    bravo hope the rest follow, as long as we are pussies then we get treated as such
  • boloboffin · 5 months ago
    I just got a fundraising email from barackobama.com. I unsubscribed, hoping that there would be a "reason why" box. There was. This is what I wrote:

    "The Justice Department's brief filed in defense of DOMA. We're tired of sitting in the back of the church."
  • woodroad34 · 5 months ago
    I received one, too. I'm afraid I was a little less kind than you were. I told Obama, if he was a real man, he'd step up to the plate...but I was fast becoming aware that he really wasn't.
  • FNReedie · 5 months ago
    We need a picket line in front of the fundraiser.
  • EdinDC · 5 months ago
    I like the picket idea, I think...I also live in DC so could be there. What do others think about a picket line? Ed in DC
  • Fed up · 5 months ago
    i live in DC also. Great idea. Picket the event
  • smallhandff · 5 months ago
    Yes, Indeed!! In the meantime, I will be looking to this web site for leadership. Will J.A. be at "the barricades" on June 25 live blogging?
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    No Gay Rights, No Gay $$

    Actually the LA Times had an article this morning about the rift that is taking place with the Obama Administration.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gayprid...
  • tlsintx · 5 months ago
    good. not another dime.
    i'm tapped out anyway - not that i'm an a-lister or anything...
  • terrya · 5 months ago
    I'm hoping Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann will pick up this story tonight.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Rachel spoke about it with Dr. Dean this evening. Was a good rant.
  • bowser · 5 months ago
    I am pretty sure Rachel Maddow is reporting on it.

    Yay!! Rachel!!

    =-)
  • Ferdiad · 5 months ago
    Obama is becoming a big fraud real quick. What bothers me though is why everyone can't figure out that if he is doing it on some issues why they blindly follow him on others?
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    NOT A DIME TILL WE GET OUR TIME
  • Randy · 5 months ago
    Hurray, hurray for David Mixner!

    I just don't understand why DADT is so hard to repeal. It's actually low hanging fruit because 70% of all Americans favor its repeal. Why can't anyone see that? Repeal it and be done with it!
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    It isn't but it requires the will to do so. I was a pilot in the A/F and they threw me out as if I was a common criminal. They were totally pathetic in their desire for revenge.
  • David · 5 months ago
    REVENGE?!?! What did you do, blow up a USAF base or something? Oh no, that's right, you saw some naked pee-pees in the shower, you villain.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    One actually, has to get off their collective arses and push it through. I haven't seen one representative or senator or president who has made any effort in doing so. It will continue to languish and gather dust until one of these fools are forced to do it. I just wish they could experience what it is like to be denied your equal rights. Perhaps, that would get their attention.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    i just say just because im a bottom doesnt mean i am anyones bitch. so no to the no on the money, no time for me then no dime for you.
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    I keep saying, although it was not my original phrase but one used by another commentator, that we should use the slogan:
    "No Gay Rights, No Gay $$"

    We should put this on all our dealings with the Administration and the Demo outfit. Let them know that we will not contribute to their BS as long as they use us for their own needs. I donated a fair amount to Obama but I sure as hell won't again. I got a solicitation in the mail from the DNC asking me to give them $$. I wrote the above on their contribution return and sent it back, at their expense of course.

    Enough already. And another thing, Reid and Pelosi should be replaced by more competent individuals. They are a joke.
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    rachel meadows is on and going to talk about the brief
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    agreee, No gay rights now gay $$
  • usagi · 5 months ago
    How about asking for your donations from the 2008 cycle back? It struck me when I read a friend's post regretting giving money to Obama, ask for your 2008 funds back. What can they say but no and the hint might get taken quicker.
  • catdance · 5 months ago
    A refund, because the product wasn't what was advertised!
  • stephanie · 5 months ago
    For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant “Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."
    --Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter From Birmingham Jail
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    my worth of life is not up for the word wait anymore
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    meadows is on talking about it now
  • ibankerbob · 5 months ago
    We voted for Lionel Jefferson.

    We got Mother Jefferson instead.
  • eteoclys · 5 months ago
    oh sh*t!!! true dat!!
  • offspring · 5 months ago
    well at least howard dean stood up for us sorta
  • smallhandff · 5 months ago
    Did Andy T. ask for his money back or was he a freebie?
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    Maddow discussed the brief with Howard Dean tonight and Dean made no excuses for it. That should ramp things up a notch or two. Good, very good. Thank you, Rachel.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Other than he thought Obama didn't know the content of the brief. ( I find that utter bull poopy. )
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    Right you are. Total BS, but Dean is a good guy nevertheless. What president would pay any attention to that? Such an uncontroversial issue. Let alone a president who prides himself in his mastery of the law. No, Obama has no idea what his justice department is up to.
  • jixter · 5 months ago
    Yes, Dean is a good guy and I want to trust that he's telling me the truth - difficult as it is to believe - that Obama "didn't know".

    Either that, or else Dean is offering him faint cover to allow Obama to backtrack without losing (too much) face.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    What becomes worse by the day, is Obama's silence on this. I looks like he is hiding behind his minions and speaking through them. This is not the Obama for which, I voted. Are we really that scary to him?
  • jasonut29 · 5 months ago
    The rhetoric coming from the administration once again is deafening, because whatever BS they say is just that BS. They are attempting to leave us behind again. Someone said the gays need to get organized. WE DO hello we are writing on blogs, making suggestion on what to do but we need to figure out what/where and how. We need to engage people we know are supporters both gay and straight and come together. We need to make it clear to the A list Dems that may be donating to the Dem party that we are asking for no $ until we see results. There ARE people out there who support us enough to take our cause. Is there going to be a demonstration in DC in October like I heard? If so lets get there.I was trying be supportive of a time frame but that time frame was broke last weekend with the lies in the DOJ brief...we need to break into whoever is advising Obama and make it clear were done with him and his party if we don't see results.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    Finally. . . Rachel Maddow gave a good lashing out at Obama the "fierce advocate" for our equal rights. What a joke that was. Dr. Dean was on the program and mostly spoke very well about how right we were to be hurt and insulted by this. H did give Obama some slack in saying that he didn't believe Obama knew about this. ( hard to believe as much as Obama micro-manages everything ) He did say that the administration needs to act quickly to rectify this situation. That was a not so gentle hint to them to get off their asses and do something. After the "catch-22" situation between Obama and Reid claiming that the other should be the one doing something about this, it appears that no one ever really planned to move this along. The clock is ticking Mr. Obama. You have been outed and your plan to just sit on our rights has been revealed. We hold you to your word whilst running for office. It's time to fulfill your campaign promise of fighting for our equal rights or lose our support, money and ultimately, our vote.
  • Jared · 5 months ago
    Being a resident of Jared Polis's district I've written him demanding he publicly demand an apology from the Obama Administration and serious action on real Civil Rights legislation. I also damanded Assistant Atty. Gen. Tony West must be fired or forced to resign if they ever hope to get my vote or $$. I told him he should be ashamed and that even as a gay man he should no logner count on the Gay vote of his district if he is going be a coward.
  • Õ¿Õ · 5 months ago
    Where are our hetero "friends" and their support now? I always knew it and I was right.
  • Melimexi · 5 months ago
    What's a hetero friend and normal Jane Doe to do? Rather than than blast us, please help us by giving us constructive ideas of concrete ways to fight this.
  • threadmonitor · 5 months ago
    Õ¿Õ,

    This blog presents a broad array of topics for discussion and it has a diverse readership. While we encourage free exchange of ideas and opinions, an individual's racial or gender or sexual prejudices are off limits. You have expressed your dislike of heterosexuals again and again. Enough is enough. More of it will be deleted and you will be banned without further warning.
  • T. Todd · 5 months ago
    "No Gay Rights, No Gay $$"

    Sounds like something we should stamp on our paper money and let that spread around real fast!
  • cowboyneok · 5 months ago
    If anyone has a bitch about paying our taxes it is the LGBT community. In fact, the federal government just admitted they SAVE MONEY by denying us our rights and institutionalizing us as second class citizens!
  • wrhr · 5 months ago
    Hillary Clinton would never have done this- As many of you may recall, Bill Clinton used his political capital to try and fulfill a campaign promise to abolish the military rule about gays in service within his first month in office- A Republican congress and the country not quite where is it today-left him condemned to Don't Ask Don't Tell and an incredible onslaught of criticism from both the left and the right- At least he tried. Hillary has always been there for HRC- what a shame that she was destroyed by the media and the Obama campaign (anyone remember the Harry and Louise ad that Obama threw at her in Ohio?) Obama has gone back on most of his campaign promises- From stem cell research (he did the very minimum-allowing only those leftovers from fertility clinics -not scientifically engineered), troops out of Iraq in a year with no residuals remaining, renditions, FISA even getting a shelter dog. We been bamboozled -again.
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    At least he tried

    He also signed into law DOMA!
  • Gary SF · 5 months ago
    The Clintons proved over and over that they are our friends. Especially Bill Clinton telling Kerry to throw us under the bus. Let's see, who gave us DOMA? Who gave us DADT because he lacked the balls to stand up to his own subordinates?

    I'll bet you hang on to your bitterness from a long-ago divorce, no?

    Thanks for your post that doesn't help at all.
  • dshsfca · 5 months ago
    I'm not surprised that Hillary's Emily List devotee is still carrying her pants.

    What concerns me is you are now an apologist for politics that even Ronald Reagan would be chastised for TODAY.

    You don't have a clue, John, get out of D.C. a few times. The public's mood is now solidly AGAINST the Democrats without a SPINE. But they have health insurance. I hope you do.
  • LAM · 5 months ago
    Great piece! And it articulates a crucial argument: civil rights must never be subject to religious beliefs - not even the President's.
  • Randy · 5 months ago
    The brief that John posted (and over at Andrew Sullivan) had the phone number and email address of the attorney who wrote it. I wonder what his inboxes looked like this morning....
  • pjkool · 5 months ago
    It's painful to watch our community come to the realization that we are adrift without any political leaders who will stand with us. We should have known what Obama was all about after the politburo style interrogation in front of Rick Warren. Three presidents in a row have thrown us under the bus. We are about to have health care, education and energy policy join us under this bus. 2012 could prove to be promising for an independent presidential candidate.
  • dula · 5 months ago
    It is a relief though to stop hoping that this Country will ever be anything than what it is...a Center Right mess with a homophobic, ignorant Working Class that deserves nothing from its corporate masters. It's also a big relief to be able to stop defending Obama from Right Wing attacks.
  • Russ Weiss · 5 months ago
    I got an idea from http://theunconventionalconventionist.blogspot.... yesterday. Today I spent several bills marked in pink with 3 different phrases: 1) Gay Money, 2) Repeal DOMA and 3) Repeal DADT. I plan on continuing to do this for a while.
  • Carl · 5 months ago
    I remember back in the late 70's when we were trying to show our financial clout many gay people had stamps make that said "Gay Money" and stamped all our money with it in pink. As a nightclub owner, I had lots of cash going through my hands and stamped all of it before depositing it in the bank. Looks like it is time to bring it back. But with they three you suggested. I know I will and encourage others to do the same.
  • smallhandff · 5 months ago
    Oh dear me. Like a haemorrhoid, once irksome but ignored & dormant these past 15-odd years, David Mixner is back, swollen w indignation & demanding attention. I'm suprised that self described "political" people hadn't long ago known enough to excise him from America's bum.
  • BoulderBitch · 5 months ago
    Sounds like we'll be floating the tax benefits of opposite-sex married couples with our own hard-earned, second-class wages.
    And the Obama admin proposes that this obvious inequity is okay because opposite-sex marriage is recognized as 'traditional'. Well, in this country, of course it is, since up until recently, gays and lesbians risked injury or death if they came out as gay or lesbian. However, same-sex unions have occurred along with opposite-sex unions all throughout indigenous human history before modern western norms became entrenched. So, what is truly 'traditional'? Apparently, the definition of 'traditional' is as flexible as that of 'democracy'.
  • MadAsHell · 5 months ago
    We, my husband and I (married in CT), will be boycotting the DNC-LGBT event and have stopped supporting democrats who do not vocally support FULL equaity. Last year we gave nearly $16K to various democrats and the DNC. But No More!!! Who invests in a fund that has a proven negative return on investment?

    We call on all LGBT people and our allies to boycott the DNC-LGBT dinner and to stop donating to seperate but equal "fierce" advocates!!!!

    Thank You
  • BoulderBitch · 5 months ago
    "Who invests in a fund that has a proven negative return on investment?" VERY well-said, and a point that all progressives should take to heart. Thank you for being an ally.
  • lenny matthews · 5 months ago
    What Obama is just now realizing....we have a lot of allies today :):):) Thank you for being one of them.
  • Katherine Doggett · 5 months ago
    I am a conservative, living in Houston, Texas. I believe that the government ought to get out of the marriage business altogether. We need civil unions that will give same sex couples (two consenting adults) the same legal protections as those in traditional unions. I believe marriage is a religious institution. Gay couples can marry in those churches that allow same sex marriages. Believe it or not, a significant number of conservatives feel this same way. By the way, none of my conservative friends are surprised by Obama’s actions. I don’t remember Obama advocating for gay marriage in his campaign platform. Obama is a corrupt scam artist that twists in the wind.
  • Tom S · 5 months ago
    Where did you get YOUR marriage license? I got mine from the county in which I live. If you were to get a divorce, would you go to the church to ask for it? Of course not! You would go to court. So where do you get the notion that marriage is a religious institution? Couples can opt to get married by a judge, justice of the epase, OR clergy. That is their choice, but it is NOT fundamentally a religious institution or we'd be getting licenses from the church.
  • Notjack · 5 months ago
    Not realizing that everything (EVERY. THING.) Obama says comes with an expiration date only comes as a surprise to those who aren't listening.

    So forget all that and go harass some Mormons or something.
  • TFoster · 5 months ago
    Politics is a LIE, ladies and gentlemen--the WHOLE THING. Republicans lie one way, Democrats lie another--and sometimes these prostitutes tell the same lies. If you still believe the so-called "democratic process" is alive and well in the United States after eight years of stolen elections and Bu$h, you're a fool--and you're in for NOTHING but one disappointment after the next.
  • Judy Corbitt · 5 months ago
    Thanks to all of you who continue this fight to achieve what is ours. Here were are the last of the groups to be denied these rights. We have stood up for the rights of others and now where are those folks !? Thanks especially to Mr David Mixner for his courage and eloquent words.