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I do not want the Supreme Court to be dominated by conservatives for decades, so I will be supporting and voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is.
I don't care if you like Obama or not, but know that if a vote for McCain in Nov. will not be a vote for anything pro-Hillary Clinton.
Do they really want more right wing, republican, christian fascist picking other fascist for these vacancy... that throwing out the baby with the bath water!
Do they really want more right wing, republican, christian fascist picking other fascist for these vacancy... that throwing out the baby with the bath water!
Come on folks have we learned nothing in the last 8 years... bushism is fascist!
So get your knickers untwisted ladies, and think of what an unmitigated disaster McFossil will be for our nation and for all American women... and oh yeah... for our daughters, granddaughters, and great-granddaughters, and great-great granddaughters, etc etc...
Once all the votes are in, the SD's should declare right away. Any SD that stays uncommitted after all the votes are in is just trying to play some selfish political game, IMHO.
BP
it is time for some leadership.
That is a stupid and nearsighted (pardon the pun) way for those women to address the issue with you. IF you said something STUPID or insulting I could understand the anger, but all too many Hillary supporters are past intelligent discussion when it comes to this subject (don't know why). But I am a 57 white feminist (woman) who has campaigned AGAINST Hillary for the past 5 years now. (Yes, I saw this coming).
So please, you have to take this kind of talk individually. I have found this group of Hillary supporters (ALL Hillary's fault by the way), to be unreasonable and just plain stupid.
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I'm a 57 year old white feminist woman who has been actively campaigning AGAINST Hillary for the past 5 years now. I find her to be untrustworthy and unsuitable to be President, however that is MY opinion and others are free to their own. BUT my NOT wanting Hillary is hardly misogynistic, it is simply my best judgment call. Now I have been all over the net trying to find out why so many of Hillary's followers are so rabidly against not just Obama, but his supporters as well. I have never experienced such unmitigated cold hate and all from my own party.
I do not want Hillary to be President but I would LOVE to have a woman in that post. Hillary is just NOT the woman I want there.
There is a huge difference between making a judgment call that this woman is not the woman I want as President and being a mysognist.
This is critical to differentiate; you can NOT like a woman without it being about sexism!
The fractured answers I usually get when I ask this CRUCIAL question are: "Oh please, "Obama voted for Alito and Roberts!", "Oh don't try to frighten us-Abortion rights are going to continue to be safe!", "Oh don't try that stuff here, we know your true motives".
That's the best cross section of responses I have gotten when asking this question and I have found it to be incredibly upsetting. IF these people were YOUNG women who didn't KNOW the horrors of illegal abortions done on the dirty back streets of some small town, than I would ask them to READ, to ASK and to THINK. But it would seem that the majority of the women who are now Hillary supporters have become some kind of odd clone that clinks when they walk (and I'm not talking about their high heels!).
There are so MANY issues in this election that are of critical importance, but being a 57 year old woman and having seen, watched and been through many trials of abortion issues; this response from supposedly intelligent women is stunning!
I truly don't understand this reaction nor do I understand the evident loathing that these same women exhibit to anyone (women and men all) that want someone other than Hillary as President. It is a sick and delusional state and one for which I hold Hillary Clinton responsible!
Now THAT is not merely insulting, disingenuous and sexist, but it is also just plain STUPID!
I fear that your judgment on this issue has more to do with your own "issues" with women than the subject at hand.
The bulk of Hillary's older white women vote may be 40 on up but that doesn't necessarily rule out having children, and it also doesn't mean that just becajuse someone can't have children that suddenly they shouldn't care about other women.
You MUST understand that the right of CHOICE is not merely about the right to have or not have an abortion; it is about the very essence of Women's rights. Our rights to determine what is best for us, our family's and the next generation of women.
But it doesn't matter. Anyone stupid enough to write in Hillary's name or vote for McCain out of spite won't be smart enough to realize it's their fault if McCain is elected.
I am almost frightened to know the gist of what you are attempting to say here. Please do explain.
She is evil reincarnate...
HILLARY CLINTON WILL CONCEDE THE RACE THIS EVENING!
(I'll believe it when I see it!)
All we can do is hope the SD's all pitch end to end this madness before it's too late.
She has proven herself to be untrustworthy and decietful beyond anything I have seen in this party. Having once been a huge fan of both Hillary AND Bill, I cannot tell you how far these two have fallen in my eyes.
For me, they are now comparable to Karl Rove and Dick Cheney.
By the way, I still believe that Hillary is in this to either run as his VP, or to ruin Obama so that she can run with McCain or even as an Independent this year or 2012. She doesn't care a wit for the voters, the party nor the country and once her crazed followers realize that she doesn't care about them, it will be too late.
The best we can do is to campaign against this woman and her husband because we know that Billie will have his hands busy IF she is in the White House.
Anyway just my $0.02. As far as the Supers - there are two kinds the ones who want to be on the winning side before the end and take the risk and those who do not want to decide or take responsibility. The latter want it all to be sorted before the vote. That is why they are stalling. They are chickensh_t.
BP
I have seen both she and her hubbie operate these last years and am horrified by how craven they are in their judgments. Her entire take on this election is stunningly unfair at best bordering on illegal at worst.
I would shake, rattle and roll if she was appointed to the Supreme Court. If you can't trust her now, just imagine IF she has such a powerful position FOR LIFE!
These women are willing to throw away womens rights and have more troops die in Iraq and probably Iran based on a faulty assumption that Hillary will win in 2012.
Hillary has driven this race into a frenzy and there is an incredible LACK of reason exhibited by most of the most strident Clinton supporters, so they do NOT understand nor do they trust ANYONE other than Hillary.
Scary, eh?
Hillary has to talk them down from jumping off the roof
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24944453/
But will she leave?
They are beyond any sort of contact I am afraid and it truly frightens me to death. These are fellow Democrats?
I find it offensive that you would bring your rant here when it appears that you have simply have a problem with women.
She dismissed a fifty-state strategy figuring she would just roll with the old Democratic plan making sure she didn't lose in FL or OH. Hillary never considered anyone could build a delegate lead out of smaller states. She blew her wad by February just as Obama blew by her. Thrown, she went on the offensive but without an effective plan. A little of this, a little of that, and she finally emerged as the populist defender of the downtrodden. But it was too late. In her struggle to regain the lead she opened Pandora's box. Toxicity emerged.
Hillary supporters please understand Obama did not cheat. He has run an incredibly effective grassroots campaign. The MSM may like him but they did not help him. Instead they pounded him with the Wright video and the "bitter" comments for days leading up to critical primaries. At the same time Hillary was throwing the kitchen sink at him and McCain was on the attack as well. It was her poorly run campaign alone that allowed him to create his insurmountable lead against her.
My anger is at Hillary. She may indeed be the stronger candidate. She may indeed have a better chance against McCain in November. But if true her poorly run primary is a tragedy for every Democrat and I am angry that for all her skills and political savvy she lost control of the primary and thus maybe lost the White House for us as well. Blame Hillary. Do not take out your frustration on Obama. (I think he will win despite her efforts to defeat him, by the way)
Vote for MCCAIN?!!! I'm sorry but if that is how you plan to vent your frustration at Hillary losing this for you you have roused MY anger. You are working against MY interests because you are working against the interests of women in general and you are working against Democratic interests as well. By acting emotional and irrational you are also reenforcing the worse stereotypes of women.
You can continue to be incensed by perceived slights like Obama's innocent "sweetie" comment but if reports are true McCain has been heard calling his own wife something so sexistly vulgar I will not repeat it. His own wife. So much for women in general. Obama not only believes in and supports women's rights, he is married to and holds in great respect a dynamic woman who herself has fought against the odds by being both black and a woman.
Vote for MCCAIN? Calm down and think this one through carefully. Are you really for women's interests?
Do you really want to move away from the Bush years or is defeat Obama and electing McCain the only shortsighted self-defeating goal that sates your present disappointment and anger?
She is not capable of ending this drama she has created in a decent way. Each day she continues is an attempt to destroy the people's chances of reclaiming our government.
It is not merely about women, nor about abortion, it is about the freedom for all of us to decide what to do in the privacy of our own homes and lives! If some fat poltiican can decide that I shouldn't be able to have an abortion after I was raped, than what is next?
Perhaps you need to open up your mind a bit and see that this issue concerns us all!
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I think lunch time is over and mommy wants you to nap.
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In my own life I have many so-called progressive friends and acquaintences from the art and theater realms, and I've realized for a long time that only a fraction of them are who they claim to be. They're fine for blaming Bush and talking about progressive ideals, but on a personal level they turn out to be very self-involved and aren't dependable at all. I think that's what's happening here, as Hillary appeals to those sorts in the wider spectrum. While Obama speaks to the better parts of us, Hillary calls out people to feel their pain and sadness and lash out at anyone, even their own children, just for their lust for power. I call that evil.
As a woman I have been in the position of having a friend need an abortion when her b.c. method failed and her no good boyfriend kicked her to the curb. I have seen my mother have to endure a therapeutic abortion when I was a teenager. Her uterus not only contained my newest (and final) sibling, but a very large tumor that was feeding off the hormones produced by the pregnancy and fast out growing the 20 week fetus. If allowed to continue the pregnancy could have killed her after it was done destroying the fetus.
For myself, my first and only (and very lovingly planned by my ex-husband and I) pregnancy was going beautifully until at 23 weeks I developed severe pre-eclampsia. A condition where the mother's blood pressure rises to such a degree that it can quickly lead to seizures and death. Despite the best efforts of my medical team, my pressure continued to remain at a level that is double what is normal. I had no choice. In my case the condition was caused by the pregnancy. The only way to cure it was to end the pregnancy. But because I was in a military hospital and thanks to the Regan era rules preventing abortion in federally funded facilities unless medically necessary; I could not be "treated" by having my pregnancy ended by until a board of hospital physicians met to approve my therapeutic abortion. I overheard my doctors outside my room discussing my situation. “She needs an abortion!” “But we can’t just do it. We have to have approval.” They went on to discuss (out of my earshot they thought) that I may not survive long enough for the board to convene. I had a c-section (just in time) and my son survived against all odds. He has a few medical issues but I’m glad I have that instead of the alternative. My husband and I should have been the ones to make that decision. Not a disinterested group of old white men who could give a damn about me or my family. The Republicans and fundies will always be the enemy to me. They almost killed me and my child.
Listen, I was once an irrational Deaniac who vowed to not for for John Kerry (although never idiotic enough to consider Bush) and by the late summer, I was on board with Kerry because more Bush was not acceptable. PLUS, I realized that the policies of Kerry were not as drastic as they once seemed during the primary season once you compared them against his opponent. And it absolutely helped when my candidate backed the Democratic nominee as well.
I do think a great many of the Hillary supporters will vote for Obama in the fall. It just takes time for the wounds to heal and to get a chance to really see and digest the options before you. If these women can watch these two candidates debate the issues and still fall in line with McCain, they really were never Democrats. They were supporting Hillary because solely because she is a woman and we're just not going to win over goofballs like that.
does john really mean to tell us that we cannot count on the democratic leadership in the senate to block unacceptable supreme court nominations? that we must have dear leader place in place to stop the evil republicans from taking away reproductive rights?
please. that old story has been thrown out year after year to get people to vote for inadequate democratic candidates. but this year the democratic leadership and the obama campaign crossed several lines they had best not.
too late now. if obamabots insist on forcing the inadequate obama down the party's throat against the clear wishes of the voters (the inadequate candidate cannot even win any of the final primaries -- to the contrary) well then say hello to president mccain in 2008, sweeties.
Well, it appears that they decided to do an old trick of Karl's which was to do one thing and then claim the opposition is doing that very same thing. It screws up everyone's head because no one can actually believe you are attempting such a thing AND because it is purely and utterly heinous.
I think that the shorter answer here is that the Clinton's decided to run an "old time" campaign with Rovian touches. They aren't well versed in anything concerning the "internets" and even ruined a critical relationship early on when they told the net roots that they "...don't care what you think". The campaign then went full speed ahead with complete knowledge that this election was owed to them.
They coddled their supporters and when the tide turned they played their own "race card", offering that it was actually Obama who was guilty. They spoke of misogyny and racism, of men and women and of how much more difficult it was to be a Woman than a Black Man in America. The tensions grew in their campaign; they did everything they could to maintain that frenzy and the accusations and finally ended up with the cold clean shard of "manufactured hate"...and all of these aspects they did so very well.
In the end they found themselves in trouble for so many reasons; from having horrible consultants who didn't even understand how the delegates were apportioned in each state (CALIFORNIA!), to Hillary's ever changing identity and finally to a sloppy and wasteful financial committee (extra pizza and donuts anyone?).
Having watched, listened and conversed with far too many people, it seemed clear that one of the Clinton's "strengths" was their ability to convince their followers that the election was being stolen. Not JUST stolen, but stolen because she was a woman and Barack Obama was cheating. The accusations varied and grew more and more unreal as the campaign progressed. Yes, they "say" he is a murderer, a child molester, a wanton woman hating freak, a fake, a phony...and he has big ears.
The rumors run far worse than those days of Paula Jones and Bill Clinton's impeachment eras gone by. Sanity became a thing of the past where hate filled accusations and loathing of all things Obama became real time. Instead of the campaign we dreamed of, that would lift us as a people, as a party and as a nation, a new breed of red-hot egomaniacally driven sophistry began to dominate within the party itself. Sure Hillary finally DID find that voice of hers, but I'm afraid it was a bit too late for her solo in the finale.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I'm not able to embrace the topic with a casual & easy slogan, instead I fear we have been living with a "new" sort of old-time politics. One where ANYTHING goes; no matter to whom, no matter how, and no matter how many in your own party may be hurt. The main thrust seems to echo "the ends justify the means" and with that kind of rule book, you can get people to do all sorts of things that may not be done with their full senses intact.
That said, I still do believe that Senator Clinton MIGHT be able to undo the divisive goals achieved, however for that to happen we will need far more conversation and involvement from the entire party. Fingers crossed, let us all hope. My name is Polly_Tics and I approved this message.
There is a difference here my dear....