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If this goes on much longer Democrats will lose the White House, Congress and most of the new voters, young voters, re-energized voters, this is a lose -lose situation and I cannot believe that party leaders are willing to lose that much because of one woman.
Spineless Democrats who don't want to win, and don't mind spending more money on Bush's war and don't mind allowing the Republicans to shred the Constitution.
Not to mention no leadership on Global Warming, Outsourced jobs, or high gas prices...
Thanks for doing nothing, Democrats!
Even as she continues her longshot presidential bid, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a political rift in New York, where black leaders say her standing has dropped due to racially charged comments by her and her husband during the campaign.
African American elected officials and clerics based in New York City say Clinton will need to defuse resentment over the campaign's racial overtones if she returns to New York as U.S. senator.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clin...
Today at the Indianapolis 500 Danica Patrick, IndyCar's premiere Female Driver, insisted that she would keep driving around the track affectionately known as the Brickyard even if she lost today's race.
"You can't win it unless you are in it," she said. When questioned on what was the point of driving around a track after you've lost the race Danica responded, "Well, see the race isn't over until all the cars cross the track at 550 mile." Then she insisted that the Indianapolis 500 was actually the Indy 550 according to crew chief, Terry McAuliffe's own map of the racetrack.
"You know a lot of people want me to get out of the race," Danica Patrick said, "I can't really figure it out. I don't know why...In 1995 Jacques Villeneuve didn't win until the last lap of the race and in 1974 Swede Savage died before he could finish the race. So I couldn't answer -- Couldn't tell you why people want me to get out."
Danica Patrick refused to answer speculation that she would be joining Team Alegre - MYDD Racing next year.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/103833/...
Something is very wrong with this situation. I cannot say what it is but I have this very uneasy feeling that us ordinary folk are basically doomed to oil profits, filthy air, high food prices, bad education, bad highways. I really think Nader was right in 2000. There is no difference between these two parties.
thought that the clintons were awfully cozy with corps....although i
am pissed at Nader, i think he was right. sadly we had to have this
ape frat boy to wake us up...or not
His 50-state-strategy is down the toilet if he keeps letting Hillary hijack the party's agenda.
No Bostonian you are on the money change will only come when we march on Washington and kick their asses out of their nice cushy offices and make them get a real job.
The question is, are we so apathetic as a nation, so divided by various partisan issues, and just so exhausted from struggling to feed and clothe our families and keep a roof over their heads, that we will be unable to come together in a way to effect meaningful change. How can we march on Washington when those of us lucky enough to have half decent jobs would lose them if we took time off from them? How can we ever bring together all of the groups who share the same problems, but who see each other as the enemy?
I ask this because it does seem like the closer Barack gets to the nomination, the further away it gets. if it is stolen from him--from us, the MILLIONS of people who want him as our President---then how will we muster the ability to come together to make our dreams of what we could be as a nation happen?
I share your belief that we are farther away from Obama getting the nomination--don't forget JFK was assassinated for the very same reasons--he gave hope to millions of Americans who had little to believe in. Obama wants to change what has been in place for 40 years and there is little you and I can do to make it happen but to be prepared to take a risk and speak out.
John,
Many of our superdelegates are up for reelection. Let's take the case of Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA). She's in a tough reelection battle. Announcing now for either candidate will offend half her supporters. Literally! Her Republican opponent won't get more than two or three percent of the black vote at most. Landrieu depends on the black vote. That's why she's not announcing for Hillary even if Hillary were her choice. And she can't announce for Barack until after he has the nomination completely locked up.
Landrieu needs to wait until the moment when she can safely say that she "supports the nominee of the Democratic party." Hopefully that will be sometime before mid-June.
We need to hold this senate seat and right now it's up for grabs. Having Landrieu say anything right now would lead to disaster in November. People who don't live in the Deep South may not realize just how racially polarized elections are down here.
This comment, like all of your comments, is so fine.
I'm very glad that you have added your voice to these threads.
:)
I'm not sure how you made it passed the (very liberal) moderator, but because I want to read everything you write I'll tell you that the c-word is a big phat no-no. There are few rules, but that is one.
I hand it to Obama for his response to her. He was gracious and let her off the hook. If thats not the sign of a true leader, I don't know what is. If the tables were turned Hillary would have erupted like a volcano and probably would have bitten off the head of the nearest rat.
The Libertarians may have 14 people running for president this year, but the bloody-knuckle fight of today is whether to restore the party's platform, gutted in 2006 — including such controversial specifics as supporting a world with open borders and no passports, repealing child labor laws, the right to prostitution and recreational drug use, ending all taxation and abolishing the dollar.
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/view/liberta...
I would like to put Hillary in stocks and gag her from this day until after convention, but I think I am part of a minority.
Mr. Obama could further solidify his hold with promises and portions of this needed cash from his seemingly bottomless ordinary contributors.
Real capitalism in action...no wonder the eazy-squeezy corporate group mind can't grokk it...
Withholding our $s is an effective way to force acceptable change and safer, too, in the scary atmosphere created by the administration (those FEMA camps weren't rehabed for nuthin'). And not just from political organizations. Refusing to buy various products and services will, eventually, also force change.
Contrary to the evidence, we are not powerless.
from the DNC on principle. One of the minor things that aggravates me
about the DNC is that you can give money on the DNC web site, but you
can't send a comment, not even if you send money. They want our money,
but they don't want to hear from us.
Our primary contests simply don't end until June 3rd. As someone that had to listen for months about why there were still 2 people running (never mind 6 or 7), before I even got my ballot, I have to say it's an uncomfortable feeling. Yes, I'd like her out, and at the same time, you need to think about how shitty this is for the late voters. What you're asking Dean, etc to do - is basically affirm that the late contests mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Yeh yeh, I know - they really don't - but come on... A little respect about it maybe?
I think there's an inherent defect in the primary schedule, and I think THAT needs to be fixed. But like FL & MI - It's the schedule we set up in the beginning, and it's what we play by now unfortunately. Howard Dean knows this, and knows that forcing a (Superdelegate) decision NOW, is kind of a shitty thing to do to the states that vote in 9 days.
I'm as anxious as the next person for it to be over, but I think they're doing the right thing by waiting until June 3rd to make that happen (and I believe they WILL at that point - If they don't, I'll be calling them daily myself!)
He was one of the first folks to come out and say that he wanted the superdelegates deciding sooner than later. Some in the media scoffed saying that he didn't have enough pull to get that done, but he made it clear that he wanted this over well before the convention.
I know some of us want it over by Tuesday, but if this thing is over with sometime during the week or so in June, Dean will deserve a lot of credit. If this thing is still lingering to the end of June and longer, Dean will deserve a healthy dose of grief.
Well Captain Queeg, put your ball bearings back into your skull and jump on Bill's back and shove off.
"This is what she said in her op-ed
I made clear that I was - and that I thought the urgency to end the 2008 primary process was unprecedented. I pointed out, as I have before, that both my husband's primary campaign, and Sen. Robert Kennedy's, had continued into June."
Now she is rewriting what she said and we should not believe what we heard her say.
Whether the superdelegates declare now or wait until the last few states hold their primaries Hillary is still going to cry foul and say they stole the nomination from her because she is a woman.
But look at it this way; she's at least shooting her '12 chances straight to hell.. ;)
It has worked in their favor however with most of the talking heads; except Keith Olberman, thank God!
Hillary has a new slant on what she said. This time she does not mention her quote on assassination. I gues Bush is right you can re write history.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/0...
Read the whole story it was all about strategy. Bill brought in the Jesse Jackson quote in North Carolina. Hillary brought in the white, working people in West Virginia and Kentucky. Wonder if Obama had just come out and appealed to all blacks should vote for me cause I am black and she isn't . I have passed the part where I am surprised and stand by my comment below---she really doesn't know what to do because losing was never in the cards.
I do think they say things that they hope will only be heard by certain voters like a dog whistle, however, they've failed to anticipate our outrage to some of the things they thought were subtle enough to sneak on by us.
Times are a'changin' and hallelujah for it.
The news pundents have been in favor of them, the super-delegates were afraid of them, and the Clintons have escaped all kinds of things that Barack could never have gotten away with, and surely you all know what they are. Just put Barack in her shoes, with him doing all the things she has done and said, and you will see how he could have not gotten away with any of these things.
No, I am afraid that somhow Clinton will get the nomination, just as Bush beat Gore, she will win, then all the butt kissing news media and Clinton supporters will say 4 years from now, how terrible she has been as Pres. and what another mess we are in again just as they are now saying about Bush! People are just afraid of the truth and for some reason think they have to pamper certain people in politics, because of their perceived money and onfluence, and of course their top concern is their individual careers!! They should all live on min. wage, then only the dedicated people would even want to serve in the government!
Just saying.
The number of pledged delegates is what will determine who is nominated, and Obama has the lion's share, and even the delegates from SD, MT and PR can't change the metrics. Even the SDs can't change the metrics, based on probable division of delegates from the remaining primaries, although it might cause a brokered convention. And if this is what Clinton is holding out for, a way to break arms and kneecap people at the convention, well, she will destroy the real base of the Democratic Party. That doesn't include her "hardworking people, white people" that will vote for McCain anyway. Do you really believe that her wins in WV and KY were really votes for her? No, they were votes AGAINST Obama. And those people will vote for McCain no matter who the Dem nominee is--remember, they voted for Bush, too.
Now, who has the votes of real democrats?
Then her even more fu*ked up supporters are going to turn coat and vote for McCain in the end anyway.
1. So, Hillary screws the Democrats ability to raise money.
2. Hillary demands somebody help her out of the finanacial hole she dug herself.
3. And to add insult to injury, we are supposed to put up with her supporters actively campaining against Mr. Obama.
christ. She can only get away with this because she is the former first lady.
Any Hillary supporters out there want to explain this to me?
You've know the truth of that one all along, John. Dean was hired to keep the Democrats out of the Oval Office. He's doing a hecka of job! How does he serve the Democrats, with prevarication. How does he serve whoever is his master? By screwing up the Democratic Party. Who hired him? I dunno, Space Aliens?
Now that you almost see the truth behind the events, who do you think?
It looks like they are forgiving too. There was a huge hue and cry about Obama and his comment about folks clinging to religion and guns, but I do not see the same outrage about this terrible comment. Yes, I can see that the Democratic party is somehow intimidated by the Clintons, despite all the ugly, low class, tactics used by the Clinton camp. Imagine Geraldine Ferraro's outrage, if Obama had said this! Her knickers would be in a twist about it. But hey, it's a woman saying it, her favorite woman, so that's okay.
That's a woman acting tough. I always supported the Clintons, even when his womanizing ways were revealed, but this election has made me open my eyes, and I see the ugly, but perhaps real, side of Bill and Hillary.
I will (I have many friends who agree), will NEVER vote for this woman, I prefer to write in Obama, or someone else's name.
You keep overlooking a simple fact of the calendar: the primary season runs through June 3.
Moreoever, I don't think it would hurt the Democratic Party if Hillary does take her case to the convention floor. It would definitely add pizazz to the Denver, cause networks to rethink their limited TV coverage and attract the type of TV audience that hasn't been recorded since the hotly contested Ford-Reagan (1976) and Carter-Kennedy (1980) battles for the nominations. It could afford the Democratic Party a great opportunity to make the case against McCain and to promote bigger Democratic majorities in the Congress.
Those of you who consider everything west of Washington and New York as fly-over country enroute to San Francisco or Los Angelese had better start listening to the grumbling among Democratic women. In my part of the country, rural white voters are a problem for Obama in the general election but probably not the problem that women could be.
Let's face facts. If Obama was behind Hillary the Democratic left would not be demanding that he step aside (unles, of course, he was the white junior senator from Illinois). But a growing number of women believe the demands being placed on Hillary, and the criticism leveled at her because she's ignored the demands, are sexist based.
In this part of the country there have been some major defections among women, who will either not vote in November or will hold their noses and vote for McCain. These aren't the typical sore losers who mope for a few months and then rally round the nominee. These women are veteran, committed activists who say they have never before thought about not supporting the party's nominee..
I do agree with you on one point, and that is that we DO have 9 more DAYS left before anyone should be demanding anyone drop out of the race.
Hillary Clinton is typical of the white female bosses and politicos I've had to deal with all my life--who saw me as their servant, somehow lacking because I didn't attend a 7 Sisters school or for some reason equally elitist and they certainly didn't treat me as their peer.
There are 16 white women in the Senate--and one black person, Obama. How are these 16 white women mentoring any blacks, let alone black women? Then you tell me, now, how white, powerful women are being suppressed.
The very fact that white women, rather than voting for a black man, will vote for yet another white, privileged man who has overstayed his welcome, makes sense? I don't think so.
Show me in history of any DNC chairperson that has dealt with Female, African-American running for the parties nomination.
Now to be fair to Hillary she said that once there is a winner she would get out...of course not sure what the rules are in her mind but she did say it.
I'm for Obama and he will win the nomination once the super delegates get of there well you know what and declare.
Howard Dean has been threaten with withholding money from the Clinton donors and yet he refused to give in. They set the rules and it is Hillary Clinton that has chosen to defy the rules period..
It's the Super Delegates stupid!
As much as I TOO want it to all be over so we can start healing and uniting, rules are rules, and our primary schedule needs to be respected just as much at the end just as in the beginning. To rag on Dean for not hustling someone out when the contests aren't even finished yet is kinda rotten IMO.
Hell, we should be ragging on him for not addressing the *timing* of the contests, if anything.
LETS GO AMERICA... talk about the One Party System and do not let Obama be excluded this time.
Here's a good look inside the Obama campaign:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/24...