Oh not a chance here of complacency. And everyone I know across the U. S. (and I know a LOT of people) is not only scared and fired up, but everyone they know is scared and fired up. I haven't seen an ounce of complacency so let's keep it that way.
We must bury Karl Rove's Pathological Politics, once and for all.
BarbaraGordon
· 1 year ago
We all know that the Thugs will not give up their power - and their hold on the Treasury - willingly. They will have to have their disgusting hands pried off the levers and the bank vaults.
nicho
· 1 year ago
Oh, they're not going anywhere -- except underground, plotting their next emergence. The fascists have been doing this since the mid-1800s. They keep surfacing and then, when they've done enough damage, they go underground again -- to re-appear a few decades later. They'll be around.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
Aren't there some sort of creepy bugs that do the same thing??
sukabi1
· 1 year ago
dung beetles --- but that's just a guess... and seems most fitting.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
don't they shoot something noxious out of their asses, like, for example, Karl Rove?
nicho
· 1 year ago
I know absolutely no one who is complacent. No one.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
GOD I love that man...
butchcjg
· 1 year ago
John - I think you should run a betting pool on how many blunders McCain makes at the end of the day. He's said that he's no good unless he can sleep in and not start his day til 11am. Today he's doing 7 events from 6am-11pm. You know he's going to be referring to some prisoners and hot bottled water to infants tonight!
truebluecoondog
· 1 year ago
This FEELS so good! I am ALMOST not afraid.
Still, I know that no matter what happens on Tuesday night, I will have that sick feeling in my stomach on Wednesday morning before I turn on the TV.
Post Election Traumatic Stress Disorder
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Those in power are doing their damndest to bring out polls showing tightening to make it an arguable case that Republicans pulled out some kind of miracle victory. WE HAVE TO BLOW THEM OUT! EVERYONE who cares ANYTHING about our nation needs to VOTE then make calls on the "neighbor to neighbor" program at:
I did. I called Pennsylvania AND Ohio voters! Its fun and makes you feel better about actually DOING something that might make a difference.
JamieinAZ
· 1 year ago
Well, we didn't get the Obama like we were hoping to turn AZ blue but Howard Dean is in Tucson today, rallying for Obama and the other progressives. I'm going and then I'm staying to phone bank. Southern Arizonans, come to the Tucson-Pima Democratic Headquarters at 4639 E. 1st St. in Tucson. Dean's rally is at noon.
Please win, Mr. Obama.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
anticipate long voting lines tomorrow.. think about bringing a bottle of water and some fruit or snacks... bring some to share...
moreleesafer
· 1 year ago
I have a question that has been bugging me for several years, but especially the last few months before Obama sealed his lead over McCain.
What can we do to make sure our elections are fair and accurate. How do we stop the disenfranchisment and supression. Is there anything that can be done on a national lever once we get a dem president and a majority in congress and the senate? Or is this something that can be done on a state level. How do we keep people (republicans) from manipulating the vote and voter turn out locally? How do we once and for all get rid of the Diebold (I think they changed their name) machines and go back to paper voting or another system that is fool proof?
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
i've got that same questions - what is so difficult about making voting foolproof?
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
This little tidbit from Greg Sargeant over at TPM:
About 30 minutes before John McCain is scheduled to lead a rally outside Raymond James Stadium, looks like maybe 1,000 people here. What's up with that? On the day before the election? Bush drew at least 15,000 people to a rally just across the street on the Sunday before the 04 election. "We are the quiet majority that goes out and gets things done..I smell victory,'' said state Rep. Kevin Ambler. Good thing he smells it, because it's hard to see it with this crowd.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Yep..CNN just said there were1100 people there.....wow...that is a small small crowd the day before the election.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
I smell something alright, smells like bull$hit...
In case Sarah Palin is reading this: The Bush Doctrine is smash and burn and then take whatever is left untouched.
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
I like this statement by Cusak, which is what I was saying in my other post:
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Finally, some blue light, tectonic plate shifts, a sea change, we hear... a wave of despair carrying us to a new place. The bastards are finally meeting their grisly ends and will be discarded and abandoned as men come to power who will actually try to govern. I know we're supposed to be civil but I'm not a real believer in this method when dealing with [CRIMES].
cole3244
· 1 year ago
can you hear it, its faint but audible none the less, you can hear it more every minute that passes, it will be a crescendo that will peak tomorrow when we remove the power base that has damaged our nation and destroyed world peace and harmony, get out and vote and start a new beginning to american history, tomorrow is the first day of the rest of our lives, lets make it one of the best days of our lives.
kid_amazo
· 1 year ago
Hello everyone, my first time posting here. I am a proud democrat, with very liberal, sometimes libertarian politics, and I am excited and thrilled about a possible Obama victory. But I realize that as we continue to support him it has made it impossible for us on the left to ask any hard questions. For example, what do people on this forum think about Wright? This is just a place to begin, but I am curious as to what tools I should use to defend Obama from some of my family that might see Wright as a dealbreaker? (Ayers is easy. He is respected professor at a major American university and you don't see any in the GOP calling for the college to expel the so-called terrorist from their midst.) But Wright is more complicated, and while I think Obama addressed this in this speech on race, most people don't remember it.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Welcome kid_amazo !
sukabi1
· 1 year ago
Did you listen to the full Wright sermons? If not go listen to them and then come back to discuss.
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
That one is easy for me, a 67 yr old white woman. Rev. Wright served his country in the Marine Corp. when blacks were not treated very well in the services (and still aren't given enough credit). Just remember this: It has been only 54 years since Brown v. Board was decided, desegregating schools in the US; and only 44 years since black folks were able to finally vote the same way white men had been doing for 2 centuries. If white people had had to wait that long for their Constitutional rights, in addition to their forebears being enslaved by others, they would be saying "Goddamn America" much more than blacks have ever complained.
LeeBurl
· 1 year ago
I reply in much the same manner. I usually point them to an excellent piece by Diana Butler Bass Putting Rev. Wright's Preaching in Prespective . I had to face the same objection from my very Democratic sister. I used this piece to help win her over. Too many people leap to conclusions without a full understanding of the background of the preaching style that is common with African American preachers such as Wright.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
hi- i think Wright is right in many ways. and i'm white. i think the right-wing noise makers have succeeded in making Wright appear more scary than he really is. have the courage to defend Wright if you can.
maybe go back to Obama's speech and pull out the pertinent lines for your family...the more you talk about it, the better.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
His former church is a black congregation of this church, one of the oldest and most respected in the country:
The website SarahPalin2012.com was registered in August to a person who giving his location as Alaska and his name as Jay Griffin.
There's also a Jay Griffin on the central committee of the Alaska Republican Party; that Griffin didn't respond to an email, and a state party official didn't have other contact information for him.
I hope he really means that we can change the status quo!!!! That's what i'm hoping for.
Oh and some REPUKES getting frog marched....
High Crimes have been committed against this nation. There must be justice.
cosanostradamus
· 1 year ago
. Fere Hawaii Vacations for anyone who switches his/her vote to Obama. And a chicken in every pot. And a bridge to somewhere. Honest .
moreleesafer
· 1 year ago
Post Election Traumatic Stress Disorder as someone said. Sad isn't it?
I know that I will sleep well on Wednesday, knowing that America is safe in the hands of Barack Obama and the Democrats. (sounds like a house band at a bar on the sketchy side of town, huh?)
my nerves have been so bad my skin is completely broken out. I look like one of those pictures of meth addicts that the police show to scare children away from drugs.
I have only just this week been able to sleep well at night. there is so much riding on this election. I just know once we make our country better, once people see what WE can do, there is no way they will want to go back. Imagine the world we can make when we are no longer a slave to our job because it provides health insurance. How many of us, if given the same health insurance program that John McCain has, would actually risk becoming entrepreneurs, or pursue our dream of helping others by taking a job at a nonprofit organization, or becoming a teacher? Just last month, my boss and several coworkers were lamenting our woeful personel issues (two people left to pursue other careers mainly because they could not afford to commute because gas was too high and another was stricken with a life threatening illness and was out on disability). I said, "Well you don't have to worry about me leaving, I need the health insurance." Everyone laughed. But I was serious. I would be dead by now if I hadn't gotten the education I have to be able to be in demand by companies offering generous benefits. Sad, but true.
Obama has to win by a large margin. Like all brown/black folks in this country, you have to overchieve just to put you on a level playing field with white folks. Forget the Bradley Effect.....every day we deal with the Bigot Effect. You have to have a B.S. to compete with white folks who have a GED and connections. Obama had to raise and spend more money that a white candidate would to overcome the bigot factor and win over those folks who were "undecided" because he brown-skinned. He had to hold his temper when McCain called him "That One." Which, by the way, is singular for "Those People".
Like Jackie Robinson did when breaking the color barrier in baseball, he was able to perform admirably and make me proud. He understood he didn't have the luxury of getting angry and telling McCain to go f*$& himself. We needed him to hold back and he understands that. Despite calls for his assassination from McCain supporters, he put himself out there every day in front of crowds not knowing who among them was viewing him through a rifle scope's cross hairs.
And on Wednesday Night, when the race is called in his (our) favor... I will say this.
Thank you Barack. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for making my son proud, for giving us back our country, and hopefully, giving us back the pride and faith that many of us found waning in the last 8 years. For giving the world back it's shining beacon of democracy.
I am going to hang a sign in front of my house:
YES WE DID.
cosanostradamus
· 1 year ago
. Yeah.
Personally, I never thought I would see this day, growing up in the turbulent 50's & 60's. I knew it would happen one day; I just didn't think I'd live to see it.
For a lot of us old farts, this is a chance to vote on some things we have felt strongly about all our lives: Racism & discrimination, fairness & real democracy, a return to American values. I 'm not saying that one election is going to wipe out hundreds of years of slavery, Jim Crow, "DWB," etc. And I'm not saying that Obama is the answer to everything. But at least we get to see the nation we all love so much take one small step here, tomorrow.
That said, I would not vote for Obama if I didn't think he's the smartest, best qualified, most sympathetic (to me & my beliefs & interests) candidate since JFK. And he has run the most picture-perfect campaign in world history, I think. If his organization is anywhere near as good at governing as they were at campaigning, we're in for some really wonderful changes.
However bad things have gotten, at home & abroad, Obama's victory will be a reminder that the ship of State belongs to us, we steer the ship, and we can make it go where we want, carry who we want, carry what we want and do what we want. It's up to us now. Don't slack off on NOV 5, or JAN 23rd. That's only the beginning, peoples.
PS: For those white folks who think Moreleesafer is exaggerating at all, come & live in Hawaii for a while, and see what it really means to be a minority within an oft-times hostile dominant culture. Not that it's anywhere near as bad, most times. But you'll get your eyes opened as to the subtleties, the frustrations, and the soul-killing perniciousness of racism, from the other side.
I honestly don't know how African-Americans put up with it. No choice, I guess. But it shows that, like Barack Obama, blacks in America have tapped into a wellspring of strength and courage, self-control and perseverence, energy and intelligence that everyone should study and try to emulate. And cut the racist b*llshit on our part, too. I'm just sayin'...
Isn't life hard enough? Can we really afford not to have all hands on deck, right now? Ever see a barn-raising? That's what we need to do right now: Pull together. This is our chance. Little kids will study this in school for a hundred, a thousand years. It's a very good thing.
Don't worry, Republicans: We won't hurt you, like you've hurt everyone else. We might even forgive you. Because, unlike you, we really are good Christians. And good Jews. And good Muslims. And good Hindu's. And good Buddhists. And good Confucians. And good animists and agnostics and deists and atheists and just plain good people. If you Republicans would just try to improve your behavior, and your attitudes, you might even be able to join us in making the world a better place for our children and grand-children and great-great-grandchildren to live, instead of a worse one, for a change.
First, you Republicans have to say, "We're sorry, Mr. Obama." There. Now that wasn't so hard, was it? Now pick up a shovel and start cleaning up your sh*t.
Mercenary Firm Offers to 'Detain Troublemakers' on Election Day
CIA-linked private military contractor Evergreen Defense & Security Services offered to post sentries at Oregon election offices on Tuesday, "detaining troublemakers" and making sure voters "do not get out of control."
In an e-mail to local election supervisors, obtained by the McMinnville, Oregon News Register, Evergreen president Tom Wiggins said he "recognized the potential conflict" that could occur on November 4th. "Never has there been a more heated battle in the race for president."
The company, he said, 'proposes to post sentries at each voting center on November 4th to assure that disputes amongst citizens do not get out of control. All guards will be unarmed, but capable of stopping any violence that may occur and detaining troublemakers until law enforcement arrives.'
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And encourage others to, as well.
Still, I know that no matter what happens on Tuesday night, I will have that sick feeling in my stomach on Wednesday morning before I turn on the TV.
Post Election Traumatic Stress Disorder
http://www.barackobama.com/
I did. I called Pennsylvania AND Ohio voters! Its fun and makes you feel better about actually DOING something that might make a difference.
Please win, Mr. Obama.
What can we do to make sure our elections are fair and accurate. How do we stop the disenfranchisment and supression. Is there anything that can be done on a national lever once we get a dem president and a majority in congress and the senate? Or is this something that can be done on a state level. How do we keep people (republicans) from manipulating the vote and voter turn out locally? How do we once and for all get rid of the Diebold (I think they changed their name) machines and go back to paper voting or another system that is fool proof?
what is so difficult about making voting foolproof?
About 30 minutes before John McCain is scheduled to lead a rally outside Raymond James Stadium, looks like maybe 1,000 people here. What's up with that? On the day before the election? Bush drew at least 15,000 people to a rally just across the street on the Sunday before the 04 election.
"We are the quiet majority that goes out and gets things done..I smell victory,'' said state Rep. Kevin Ambler. Good thing he smells it, because it's hard to see it with this crowd.
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2008/11/post...
looking forward to a vacation.
John Cusack is a genius:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-cusack/no-cu...
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Finally, some blue light, tectonic plate shifts, a sea change, we hear... a wave of despair carrying us to a new place. The bastards are finally meeting their grisly ends and will be discarded and abandoned as men come to power who will actually try to govern. I know we're supposed to be civil but I'm not a real believer in this method when dealing with [CRIMES].
i think Wright is right in many ways. and i'm white. i think the right-wing noise makers have succeeded in making Wright appear more scary than he really is. have the courage to defend Wright if you can.
maybe go back to Obama's speech and pull out the pertinent lines for your family...the more you talk about it, the better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_C...
BTW: I grew up Catholic and, I can tell you, some of our pastors started saying politically incorrect stuff when they got up in age also.
I hope so, and may they never set foot in the lower 48 again...
Palin2012.com
Somebody's looking ahead, just a bit.
The website SarahPalin2012.com was registered in August to a person who giving his location as Alaska and his name as Jay Griffin.
There's also a Jay Griffin on the central committee of the Alaska Republican Party; that Griffin didn't respond to an email, and a state party official didn't have other contact information for him.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Pal...
http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=_ODoQb...
Oh and some REPUKES getting frog marched....
High Crimes have been committed against this nation. There must be justice.
Fere Hawaii Vacations for anyone who switches his/her vote to Obama. And a chicken in every pot. And a bridge to somewhere. Honest
.
Sad isn't it?
I know that I will sleep well on Wednesday, knowing that America is safe in the hands of Barack Obama and the Democrats. (sounds like a house band at a bar on the sketchy side of town, huh?)
my nerves have been so bad my skin is completely broken out. I look like one of those pictures of meth addicts that the police show to scare children away from drugs.
I have only just this week been able to sleep well at night. there is so much riding on this election. I just know once we make our country better, once people see what WE can do, there is no way they will want to go back. Imagine the world we can make when we are no longer a slave to our job because it provides health insurance. How many of us, if given the same health insurance program that John McCain has, would actually risk becoming entrepreneurs, or pursue our dream of helping others by taking a job at a nonprofit organization, or becoming a teacher?
Just last month, my boss and several coworkers were lamenting our woeful personel issues (two people left to pursue other careers mainly because they could not afford to commute because gas was too high and another was stricken with a life threatening illness and was out on disability). I said, "Well you don't have to worry about me leaving, I need the health insurance." Everyone laughed. But I was serious. I would be dead by now if I hadn't gotten the education I have to be able to be in demand by companies offering generous benefits. Sad, but true.
Obama has to win by a large margin. Like all brown/black folks in this country, you have to overchieve just to put you on a level playing field with white folks. Forget the Bradley Effect.....every day we deal with the Bigot Effect. You have to have a B.S. to compete with white folks who have a GED and connections. Obama had to raise and spend more money that a white candidate would to overcome the bigot factor and win over those folks who were "undecided" because he brown-skinned. He had to hold his temper when McCain called him "That One." Which, by the way, is singular for "Those People".
Like Jackie Robinson did when breaking the color barrier in baseball, he was able to perform admirably and make me proud. He understood he didn't have the luxury of getting angry and telling McCain to go f*$& himself. We needed him to hold back and he understands that. Despite calls for his assassination from McCain supporters, he put himself out there every day in front of crowds not knowing who among them was viewing him through a rifle scope's cross hairs.
And on Wednesday Night, when the race is called in his (our) favor... I will say this.
Thank you Barack. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for making my son proud, for giving us back our country, and hopefully, giving us back the pride and faith that many of us found waning in the last 8 years. For giving the world back it's shining beacon of democracy.
I am going to hang a sign in front of my house:
YES WE DID.
Yeah.
Personally, I never thought I would see this day, growing up in the turbulent 50's & 60's. I knew it would happen one day; I just didn't think I'd live to see it.
For a lot of us old farts, this is a chance to vote on some things we have felt strongly about all our lives: Racism & discrimination, fairness & real democracy, a return to American values. I 'm not saying that one election is going to wipe out hundreds of years of slavery, Jim Crow, "DWB," etc. And I'm not saying that Obama is the answer to everything. But at least we get to see the nation we all love so much take one small step here, tomorrow.
That said, I would not vote for Obama if I didn't think he's the smartest, best qualified, most sympathetic (to me & my beliefs & interests) candidate since JFK. And he has run the most picture-perfect campaign in world history, I think. If his organization is anywhere near as good at governing as they were at campaigning, we're in for some really wonderful changes.
However bad things have gotten, at home & abroad, Obama's victory will be a reminder that the ship of State belongs to us, we steer the ship, and we can make it go where we want, carry who we want, carry what we want and do what we want. It's up to us now. Don't slack off on NOV 5, or JAN 23rd. That's only the beginning, peoples.
PS: For those white folks who think Moreleesafer is exaggerating at all, come & live in Hawaii for a while, and see what it really means to be a minority within an oft-times hostile dominant culture. Not that it's anywhere near as bad, most times. But you'll get your eyes opened as to the subtleties, the frustrations, and the soul-killing perniciousness of racism, from the other side.
I honestly don't know how African-Americans put up with it. No choice, I guess. But it shows that, like Barack Obama, blacks in America have tapped into a wellspring of strength and courage, self-control and perseverence, energy and intelligence that everyone should study and try to emulate. And cut the racist b*llshit on our part, too. I'm just sayin'...
Isn't life hard enough? Can we really afford not to have all hands on deck, right now? Ever see a barn-raising? That's what we need to do right now: Pull together. This is our chance. Little kids will study this in school for a hundred, a thousand years. It's a very good thing.
Don't worry, Republicans: We won't hurt you, like you've hurt everyone else. We might even forgive you. Because, unlike you, we really are good Christians. And good Jews. And good Muslims. And good Hindu's. And good Buddhists. And good Confucians. And good animists and agnostics and deists and atheists and just plain good people. If you Republicans would just try to improve your behavior, and your attitudes, you might even be able to join us in making the world a better place for our children and grand-children and great-great-grandchildren to live, instead of a worse one, for a change.
First, you Republicans have to say, "We're sorry, Mr. Obama." There. Now that wasn't so hard, was it? Now pick up a shovel and start cleaning up your sh*t.
Thank you for what you said, Moreleesafer.
.
Mercenary Firm Offers to 'Detain Troublemakers' on Election Day
CIA-linked private military contractor Evergreen Defense & Security Services offered to post sentries at Oregon election offices on Tuesday, "detaining troublemakers" and making sure voters "do not get out of control."
In an e-mail to local election supervisors, obtained by the McMinnville, Oregon News Register, Evergreen president Tom Wiggins said he "recognized the potential conflict" that could occur on November 4th. "Never has there been a more heated battle in the race for president."
The company, he said, 'proposes to post sentries at each voting center on November 4th to assure that disputes amongst citizens do not get out of control. All guards will be unarmed, but capable of stopping any violence that may occur and detaining troublemakers until law enforcement arrives.'