On NPR yesterday, they were interviewing some old fart in UNITY, New Hampshire. I was driving so I could not grab a quick podcast recording but this old man used the word "Negro" in describing the main reason he would NOT vote for Senator Obama. The article was about using this little town for Clinton and Obama to make this big announcement. Anyway I nearly plowed into a big assed Dallas SUV when I heard this old fart use the word "Negro".
WHAT FUCKIN" YEAR IS THIS??????????????
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
lollllllllllllllllllllll.....man, you're too funny...lollllllllll. Hey, it's a generation whose time has past.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Yeah unfortunately they bus these old farts from the senior centers to the polls on election day and these assholes generally pull the GOP lever thinking that they will get back to 1952 if they do. Especially in New Hampshire. But the GI Generation is nearly gone now. In a few years there won't be any left to vote.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
LOLLLLLLLLLl....hey man, are you a comedian? Seriously! You should be writing for Jon Stewart. Your stuff is got me chuckling all day.
On the serious side though, one has to be well-informed to write funny s*hit like you do. The Republicans love these old s*hit stains. They'll vote Republican just 'cause'.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Gee that made my day blackwolf....no I am not a comic...just an old queen who is tired of fighting this battle and tired of idiot America voting based on who they wanna drink beers with.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Straight as an arrow here--my bow's crooked though...haha. Like you, I'm tired of the way things are in America. Hell, I've vote for white folks all my life, and I'm tired of all the bullshit.
And, I'm not voting for Obama because of his paint job. I'm just excited to see someone who hasn't been totally corrupted--yet....chuckle. Give em all time though.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
We have a park hear in Sac called Goothe park. he was a known white power guy. The park is now being called River Bend Park (There is no bend in the river there but hey who cares right?) There is also a national landmark up by the Folsom Dam called "Negro Bar" I do think is was named by the Spanish some hundreds you years ago. Should we change it to: -African American Bar -Black Bar -Folsom Damn Bar -Folsom Prison Bar -Oboma Bar -Mr Goodbar ...any suggestions?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Go away? How could Obama possibly win without Hillary's supporters and voters?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
The "Fairness Doctrine" would pretty much put NPR off the air; unless they gave 6 hours of free time per day to Rush and Hannity...
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
It would also blow away half of AM Radio, which is a fetid pit of right wing trash.
Hillbilly.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Yeah, why should people be let loose to speak out in opposition to the Progressive Movement. After we take out the rights freedom of speech next we can find a way to take away there guns. If they can't speak out about it who is going to know??? What a grate plan. Hail Oboma!! Hail Oboma! Hail Oboma! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! (This is about the point were the old horsewiping song starts up and the jackboots go on...)
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
The Fairness Doctrine comes back I am dumping our Corn and Oil and putting the money into XFM. LEO there are no restrictions at all. Not public airwaves. As it is Bike makers and Beer makers are the best bet.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Two things:
1. Keep Bubba away from the campaign. Stick him in the backwoods towns if you must, but don't let him near the main press pool or Obama. The guy is trouble.
2. Don't take on any Çlinton staff people. The top ones are all ethically challenged and, frankly, they're just not very good. They had a candidate who was consistently winning 20 to 30 percent in national polls when they started and they ended up losing.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
Got that right! Frame the above.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Totally agree, Bush_Bites. Bill needs to focus on his speaking engagements and make up the money they gambled on trying to destroy Obama that way. Keep him off the campaign trail. We don't need any more of his Jesse Jackson slips. The guy has destroyed his legacy.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Also:
I find it funny that Hillaryis44 or Noquarter haven't lifted a finger to help Hillary with her debt. They're obviously more interested in selling their $100 T-shirts than helping the candidate they purport to support.
SouthernYankee
· 1 year ago
Well you must remember alot of her support comes from working class people. They don't have a $100.00 to give anyone. I don't blame Obama not giving his list of small donors. He understands that they only give $5, $10 or $25. He will need those donors for the general election.
Bobby
· 1 year ago
Obama NEEDS Hillary's supporters to win. I don't like her, but he needs her.
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
That may be but wouldn't he also need Edwards, Richardson, Biden, Dodd, and Kucinich supporters as well? Maybe they're starting to see some pandering going on that makes them uncomfortable.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
This is the problem. The media keeps hyping on Hillary's supporters. That debt of hers is rather telling! She's got no real supporters, or it would be paid down.
blackwolf
· 1 year ago
On the other hand, Hillary never really did have the support she claimed. She financed a health percentage of her own campaign. She was always on shaky ground.
SouthernYankee
· 1 year ago
Obama should pick either Biden, Dodd or Hagel.
ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith)
· 1 year ago
Let's be perfectly clear, the only reason Obama "needs" Clinton is because she did such an outstanding job of poisoning the primaries. I don't think there are many examples of a primary becoming that vitriolic and polarized in recent history.
The truth of the matter is, the one that "needs" this is actually Clinton. the poll numbers are telling the story, and that is slowly but surely, clintons "base" was moving to Obama anyway. Clinton and company need to support Obama now primarily to save face and protect her political future. Just think about the scenario if she does nothing to appear to support him and he loses in November. You don't think more than one person is going to be looking at her and asking what she did to ensure that her supporters were brought into the fold?
It amazes me that people are still walking around with this Hillary is superior smugness. The truth is, the thing could have gone either way and both of them were pretty formidable candidates. To assume that Clinton has any real superiority over Obama is simply ignoring the facts. Clinton had every advantage over Obama at the start of this, and by the end, she's amassed the biggest campaign debt known to man, and she lost.
Time to get over it, Clinton came in second place, which means first loser. Her only ambition now is to ensure her political survival by being the good foot soldier and to hope Obama can help her get her history making debt paid down. Reality is a mother I know, but try it sometimes.
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
Obama ALREADY HAS hillary's supporters.
he is leading women by 15-10 points he is leading lationes by 30 points.
what more you you want. all these fake "democrats" who have voted republican since the 60s do NOT count.
catty
· 1 year ago
Well Well,the presumtive presidential nominee has to kiss up to the Clinton's worshipers,I mean supporters.He has to admit sexism was the cause of her losing the race,gag.He also ,must not act as if he can win without ,the self appointed Lord and Majesty's Clintons.Yawn~ She ran like a man against him and Now wants to be taken care of like a Grrrl. If Obama had lost ,he wouldn't have needed to pimp her out! Her badly bruised EGO has to be stroked.The reason she can't raise the money herself is because, Hillary got 18 million votes,she doesn't have 18 million supporters.Of the18 million votes, some were apart of operation chaos(Limbaugh),some are party loyalist (will support the nominee at all cost) and the rest were never going to vote Obama,so Mccain is courting them,these are the truly stupid ones.On the brightside can you think of a more fitting gift to give the "repugnican" party,a emotional group of infidels? who could CARELESS about the issues at stake
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
OK, did anyone actually READ the article? It's Clinton and her supporters who are described as suprisingly generous and supportive, even more so than some Obama campaigners suggest they themselves would have been had the tables been turned. Read all the way through to the end.
She is being gracious and magnanimous and you all STILL can't help but twist everything around into the worst possible reading of her actions.
It's not her, folks, its you. Grow up. Even you, John. After a hard fought campaign that was closer than most, and when previous second-place finishers TOOK IT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION, you couldn't ask ANY politician to be as gracious as Hillary is being, yet you still vilify her -- more than you do Dubya! The way you and some of the commenters here seem to go out of your way to continue to slam Clinton and her supporters is hardly reasonable, realistic, or supported by the facts.
But hey, if you want to keep pushing people away from supporting Obama, please, be my guest. After coming here years ago to find refuge and solace during the darkest days of Bush, thinking I'd met like-minded people who supported fairness, compassion, and progressive policies, I find that the words of outright scorn and hatred are just as common here as at Free Republic. Obama gets a free pass with every more conservative moment he has, while Clinton is called every name in the book.
I don't know why you people think of yourselves as progressives, because there's been NOTHING progressive about your reaction to Hillary Clinton, and it's truly sad.
catty
· 1 year ago
There isn't a single Clinton supporter that's rational,they are evil and sore losers and petty just like the Clintons. Whatever she does now ,she has to,she divided the party with her" repugnican "antics.Holding out to be paid isn't graciousIT'S EXTORTION PERIOD. If Obama had lost ,He wouldn't have pimped her out at the end for money.Why should he pay ,for HER choosing to drag out a race, that she wasn't in a position to when since feb? He's paying for her mismanaged campaign.Think before you write your garbage!!!
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Wait, did you actually read what I said? Or the original article? One of us is writing garbage, all right. Again, let me point out that other Democrats, MALE democrats, who were FURTHER BEHIND than she was, STILL took it all the way to the convention.
She was MORE selfLESS than previous *MALE* DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS in her position, and yet you vilify her rather than praise her.
It's completely irrational and doesn't do Obama any favors. Again, there's NOTHING progressive about rants like yours.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
There's nothing reasonable about statements like "there isn't a single Clinton supporter that's rational, they are evil and sore losers and petty just like the Clintons".
That kind of statement is more Republican. It also ignores all the good the Clintons have done, and also ignores the FACT that other, male candidates who did as well as Clinton did NOT drop out before the convention.
That's a fact, catty. Clinton's actions were more selfless than other male politicians in the same position as she, and all your name-calling of her won't change that.
It's sad that you've bought into the rightwing lies about the Clintons. Especially given that Obama is moving more to the GOP side than Clinton ever did.
It's almost as if you've been so brainwashed by right-wing talking points that you can't look at the Clintons objectively. And that's not uncommon, unfortunately.
I'm not quite sure why there is so much hatred in you. The facts don't support your overemotional response.
catty
· 1 year ago
You live in this country just like me,don't threaten me with your no vote for Obama,if you were a party loyalist and not a fairweather democrat,Mccain wouldn't be an option. I think the best gift the democrats could give the "repugnicans" is a bunch of infidels,that don't think and run off emotion.You are what they are looking for,STUPID.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
So, loyalty to the party uber alles, eh? Just like all those Republicans who voted for Bush even though they knew he was a failure? This is the great liberal argument for why we *must* vote for Obama?!? Because loyalty to the party is more important than my own conscience, or my opinions, or my views?
Are we all going to start dressing alike now, too? Maybe doing group calisthenics every morning just before we sing the national anthem and say a prayer for our Dear Leader's continued health?
You so perfectly demonstrate the type of Obama supporter who turns people off that I have to wonder if you aren't secretly a McCain plant.
catty
· 1 year ago
What do you want,stop emailing me.You are entitled to your thoughts just like me,have at it~ www.paulvclinton.com
www.youtube.com search the clinton chronicles 1-11,the mena connection,hillary's baggage.hillary the movie 1-9 the american people seen through the corrupt twosome! Go argue with your self,stupid don't email me again.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Uhm... I'm not "emailing" you. I'm replying to your public posts on the comment section of a public blog. Just because you are getting emailed notifications isn't the same.
If you didn't want me "emailing" you, you didn't have to post a public response to my comments!
And then you have the audacity to call me stupid. The mind boggles.
catty
· 1 year ago
Well don't respond to my comments, ninkompoop!!!!!
catty
· 1 year ago
You first have o have a mind to boggle
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
When people make blatantly untrue or ridiculously illogical statements -- or attempt to refute points with nothing other than simple name-calling -- I sometimes feel it's appropriate to respond.
If you are attempting to support Obama with such tactics, you're doing a great job... for McCain.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Wait, you say you aren't a democrat or a republican, but then suggest I should be a party loyalist and not a fairweather democrat? If you aren't a democrat or a republican, then the way I choose to vote shouldn't matter to you. If you aren't a member of the party, why do you care what members of the party do? That doesn't really make sense.
As for me, I continue to object to doublestandards, to viewing the Clintons overly harshly while at the same time going too easy on Obama. I think that is patently unfair, and will continue to feel free to comment when I see hypocrisy or unfairness. What Obama has been doing lately is far worse in terms of policy statements than what Clinton did, yet for some reason people are stumbling all over themselves to try to "excuse" his actions -- whereas for Clinton, they'd take every possible opportunity to distort her actions into the worst possible light and somehow think that was "truth". It's simply not reasonable.
In November, I will vote for whomever I want, based on a variety of facts and reasons. The way the party has treated the Clintons is one aspect that I will consider, without a doubt.
If you don't like the continued conversation, you can stop this too, you know. Just simply don't respond to me. It's that easy. I don't know why you simultaneously complain that I keep replying to you when you keep replying to me.
catty
· 1 year ago
I never said I was for Obama,you sound like a repugnican troll and that'swhy why I call you names.I'm just not that into you.You came across as petty
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
You don't actually refute my points logically, you just ram into the discussion and call me names like some spoiled child, and you think *I* come across as petty? Take another look at how this discussion went and who got nasty first (that would be you, in case you can't figure that out).
Although I haven't posted a lot here recently, I've posted on this blog on and off for nearly two years, I believe. And anyone who thinks I'm a *republican* doesn't know what they're talking about. Disagreeing with you about the Clintons doesn't make me a Republican, but it IS that kind of nonsense that's turning off some Democrats.
And again, if you'd actually READ the articles that this post referred to, you'd have understood the real point I was trying to make, not making stuff up about what I said or calling me names when all else failed.
SouthernYankee
· 1 year ago
Go Catty I totally agree with you. I kept saying she doesn't really have 18 million voters. Obama won the popular vote. No one wants to say it but you are right on target.
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Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
99.999% of questions can be summed up with one word: MONEY.
kingmans_performance
· 1 year ago
Time to get over it guys and stop bitching about Hillary. Obama won, so why are you about to have a stroke over her mere existence? She is a public figure, so why should she "go away"? And don't give me some horseshit about her "ruining" the primary. ANyone see recent polls? But that would require you to think, which most (if not all) liberals are incapable of doing.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
OK, buddy, you can make your point (and it's well taken) without the insults. Although I agree with you that it is time to forgive and forget and move on to beat McCain and his war profiteering cohorts, I will admit I still get fuming mad every time I see the GOP use one of Hillary's many quotes to tar Obama. She was warned this would hurt our nominee if she continued but she rolled the dice, thinking her character assassination would be the Hail Mary pass she needed to usurp the delegate votes. She may have come to her senses but those quotes are still out there and being used at a hysterical pitch from the most repulsive life forms on the right. Thank goodness Dems are not falling for it, but the point is it's hard to forget when we are reminded constantly just how dirty Hillary was. Her supporters aren't the only ones who feel betrayed and it is going to take some time for all wounds to heal. Having said that, I can loathe her tactics, but welcome her attempts at redemption. We have much work to do and the media's obsession with Bill's childish hurt feelings and Hillary's bitter supporters while we get treated to Hillary's smear tactics being used by the right is going to take some serious focus to get our job done to elect Obama. Name calling against either side really negates your point.
kingmans_performance
· 1 year ago
Mostly its because i like to stir things up. But really, as Neutral notes there as been a remarkable "disintegration" of discourse and reasoned debate on this website. It is not about Democrats anymore here...its only for "progressive" Democrats and people (like us) who sit around and read blogs. What about working families who dont have the time for "Internets" reading? What about dems who dont have the time to even think about things like the FISA vote and its ramifications, and other similar topics? The message this blog says is "you are NOT welcome here.." and I dont like that.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
people who don't have time to read blogs or research the crap they hear from the MSM is hearing Hillary tell them, in her own words, the Barack is not ready, may be a Muslim, etc. She ran her campaign with one goal in mind and that was to destroy Obama. Now the repulsive right is taking her words and using them to distract those very busy, uninformed people from the real issues that impact their lives. Her refusal to acknowledge and apologize for that is beyond stunning, as far as I'm concerned.
kingmans_performance
· 1 year ago
These people are smart enough to realize that it was said in the context of a campaign. They are not stupid, and its seems to be common practice to believe that these people are all duped by the MSM. While i will agree that the discourse fed to us over the MSM is shit, most democrats are smart enough to see through the bs. Again, I would reference Obama's strength in polls (AK a battleground state, for christ sake!!), and charge that these Hillary smears that the right has hijacked aren't really working.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
It's not the Dems that will be fooled. It's the Independents and skittish Republicans who hate Bush and don't trust McCain. Getting her supporters has never been the issue.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
and a public apology, in front of her supporters, to Obama for her smears seems like a reasonable request, but one we all know will never come. She will pretend her words aren't out there getting used to try to destroy our nominee, all the while she is insisting Obama supporters relieve the very debt she racked up to spew those juicy right wing sound bites. None of the racist comments came from Barack himself or any of his top people, they came from some of his supporters and even that is dubious. Hillary and her key people used every opportunity to smear Obama. I'm glad she's back on board, but my money will not be paying for the crap we now are treated to from the right. Sorry.
Neutral
· 1 year ago
To Mr. Aravosis: What exactly is your problem? I used to come here every day faithfully and thought this was a very intelligent blog but all I see now is constant Hillary bashing and it is getting really old. Can we move on already? She lost and Obama won, and we all know he is going to win by a landslide in November, so why can't you let it go? How can you call yourself an Obama supporter when you don't seem to subscribe to any of his principles of unity? He would be the first to say that it is time to show a public display of support right now. For all I know, he could bash Hillary every night before he goes to bed but I don't see a shred of that when he is in public, and that's what makes him a winner. He is a class act and he knows the right thing to do. If you are backing him, you should really consider following his lead.
I've always liked both candidates and felt their ultimate message and goals were very similar. I congratulate Obama on running a smarter and cleaner campaign and he has my full support but I don't see how it is productive to throw stones at Hillary at this point. Why does she need to "go away" when she is still a very powerful and influential person in the Democratic party? Can't you show her even a modicum of respect? I am a feminist but I do not blame sexism for Hillary not winning the nomination but I absolutely blame sexism for the disintegration of this site. I don't see nearly the same level of vitriol directed at the real opponent John McCain and that is just sad.
Seriously, it's time to move on. If they can both do it after LIVING IT, I'm sure you who has just been on sidelines writing about it, can do it too. We have so much to celebrate right now and frankly, you are being a party pooper.
ivyfree
· 1 year ago
Pretty much my opinion. The people bowing out of the fight usually encourage support for the candidate., and the candidate usually is gracious about things. Both of them are clearly intelligent enough to realize that you get to a certain point, and then it's time to work together. It's called not burning your bridges. Hilary will need Obama's support in future, and Obama will need Hilary's support, and they're smart enough to know it. John, you really are smarter than your writing about Hilary would lead people to believe.
Note: I supported Edwards and then switched to Obama. Although I would certainly have voted for her had she turned out to be the candidate. Her platform and Obama's weren't all that different.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
true... they both need each other's support.
maybe it isn't Hillary then, maybe its her campaign staff who feels the need to point out that it isn't their fault they lost... saving face?
THAT'S why this is sickening to me... she stayed in too long, fine, that's over... we'll let it go.
why all the 'sexism' talk? In my opinion, they need to blame the loss on something.
I really don't remember anything sexist in the battle... maybe on the blogs, but in the MSM? anything coming from Obama's campaign? I'd love some examples.
egad... they screamed 'sexism' when the calls came for Ferraro to step down. they're allowed to scream sexism over her being let go, but Obama isn't supposed to say anything about her comment that 'the only reason he's in this race is that he's black'??
talk about double-standards.
Fine, we won't bash Hillary... but her lousy campaign staff with their rovian tactics? they should be fair game... ESPECIALLY when they're all trying to use Hillary's name to secure their future, with Obama's campaign.
seems like blackmail to me.
jiminportlandoregon
· 1 year ago
BRAVO!! My sentiments exactly. I left a comment above before I read this - it's perfect.
catty
· 1 year ago
The reason the feelings are so negative toward The Clintons is, because Obama won fair and square. When you read some of the supposed Hillary supporter sites. They are convinced that the DNC GAVE him the nomination,when he lead in the delegate count since Feb.Hillary spent most of last year boasting about the race being over in Feb,and it was for her.SHE chose to drag this race out knowing she would need an astronomical flip in delegates to win,She agreed to not count FLA and MI,and when she NEEDED the delegates cried like a big baby to get them seated.Some of the same ~repunican ~attacks she used,they will now use against him.They did play the race card period.They way she blew through her campaign funds borders on fraud. Now Obama has to clean up ,her mess before she and her emotional ,evil ,vendictive,spiteful, lot ,will play nice.Has any male canidate ever had such a "hissy fit tantrum?"
kingmans_performance
· 1 year ago
No, but the blogosphere routinely does, especially when it comes to politicians that they haven't picked as the chosen ones.
questionauthority
· 1 year ago
I Agree-- "GO AWAY!"
Hillary brought it on, she can suck it up! Obama HAS BEEN, and IS BEING very gracious, and the Clinton's are just acting like spoiled children throwing a tantrum because they can't have candy for dinner.
I can only hope after today Obama can focus on that which is really important, HIS campaign, and Hillary & Bill will ultimately fade into the sunset.
Remember, the Clinton's gave us NAFTA, and Bill signed both of Phil Gramms Financial Services and Commodity Futures Modernization Acts. Armed with those three initiatives, GW Bogus & the Lie Factory have been able to make waste, fraud, and abuse a recreational sport!
Once again..."GO AWAY"
OBAMA, OH EIGHT, OR ELSE!
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!
DavidinChelseaMA
· 1 year ago
From New England Cable News: "This was a hard-fought primary campaign," said Clinton. "We have gone toe-to-toe, but today and every day going forward, we stand shoulder-to-shoulder for the ideals we cherish and the country we love." "Today, our paths have merged. Today our hearts are set on the same destination for America. Today we are coming together for the same goal -- to elect Barack Obama as the next president of the United States." "We are one party, we are one America and we are not going to rest until we take back our country and put it once again on the path to peace, prosperity and progress in the 21st Century," said Clinton.
You can catch many more Obama-Voters with honey... Than you can by telling them with vinegar...to 'Go Away'!
Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood)
· 1 year ago
I really cannot understand why Aravosis takes it all so personally. You would think that she ran against him. Maybe Hillary turned down a request for an interview like she did to Ed Schultz.
Neutral
· 1 year ago
Even better Salon article that directly speaks to the problem with this site -
I think it's absolutely fine that you do NOT like Hillary Clinton, however, I think your intense dislike borders on the irrational. It clearly is beginning to say more about you than it does about her. Let's all hope now that Obama wins. When he does, you can bet your ass Hillary will have a very important role in his administration - and she should - she is a very bright person who is well versed in many areas - specifically, health care. She would also be a great Secretary of State and a good Supreme Court Justice. There are many areas where she can assist in a positive way. So, let's all do our part and TOGETHER and elect a Democrat to the presidency.
SouthernYankee
· 1 year ago
I don't care for Hillary but I do think the best place for her would be in the senate. She should take over Reid's job. I think she would be great. I do think she is a good senator.
jr
· 1 year ago
Obama having to raise money for her is like shopkeepers having to pay the mafia protection money so they don't get fire bombed
Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood)
· 1 year ago
Not gonna go away. They are campaigning like running mates! LOL john...
catty
· 1 year ago
She's using extortion to get Obama to pay for her mismanagement of campaign money.If you want to run like a man,step up ,like you got a pair and pay your OWN way.It sickens me that she has to be handeled so delicately'. Wasn't it she who qouted, "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen?"She like her followers are pathetic,irrational whiners! I understand that until Obama pays off her debt,Bill won't help out on the stump.
All Comments
WHAT FUCKIN" YEAR IS THIS??????????????
polls on election day and these assholes generally pull the GOP lever
thinking that they will get back to 1952 if they do. Especially in New
Hampshire. But the GI Generation is nearly gone now. In a few years there
won't be any left to vote.
On the serious side though, one has to be well-informed to write funny s*hit like you do. The Republicans love these old s*hit stains. They'll vote Republican just 'cause'.
who is tired of fighting this battle and tired of idiot America voting based
on who they wanna drink beers with.
of the way things are in America. Hell, I've vote for white folks all my life, and I'm
tired of all the bullshit.
And, I'm not voting for Obama because of his paint job. I'm just excited to see someone
who hasn't been totally corrupted--yet....chuckle. Give em all time though.
There is also a national landmark up by the Folsom Dam called "Negro Bar"
I do think is was named by the Spanish some hundreds you years ago. Should we change it to:
-African American Bar
-Black Bar
-Folsom Damn Bar
-Folsom Prison Bar
-Oboma Bar
-Mr Goodbar
...any suggestions?
Hillbilly.
What a grate plan.
Hail Oboma!!
Hail Oboma!
Hail Oboma!
YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!
YES WE CAN!
(This is about the point were the old horsewiping song starts up and the jackboots go on...)
As it is Bike makers and Beer makers are the best bet.
1. Keep Bubba away from the campaign. Stick him in the backwoods towns if you must, but don't let him near the main press pool or Obama. The guy is trouble.
2. Don't take on any Çlinton staff people. The top ones are all ethically challenged and, frankly, they're just not very good. They had a candidate who was consistently winning 20 to 30 percent in national polls when they started and they ended up losing.
I find it funny that Hillaryis44 or Noquarter haven't lifted a finger to help Hillary with her debt. They're obviously more interested in selling their $100 T-shirts than helping the candidate they purport to support.
The truth of the matter is, the one that "needs" this is actually Clinton. the poll numbers are telling the story, and that is slowly but surely, clintons "base" was moving to Obama anyway. Clinton and company need to support Obama now primarily to save face and protect her political future. Just think about the scenario if she does nothing to appear to support him and he loses in November. You don't think more than one person is going to be looking at her and asking what she did to ensure that her supporters were brought into the fold?
It amazes me that people are still walking around with this Hillary is superior smugness. The truth is, the thing could have gone either way and both of them were pretty formidable candidates. To assume that Clinton has any real superiority over Obama is simply ignoring the facts. Clinton had every advantage over Obama at the start of this, and by the end, she's amassed the biggest campaign debt known to man, and she lost.
Time to get over it, Clinton came in second place, which means first loser. Her only ambition now is to ensure her political survival by being the good foot soldier and to hope Obama can help her get her history making debt paid down. Reality is a mother I know, but try it sometimes.
he is leading women by 15-10 points
he is leading lationes by 30 points.
what more you you want. all these fake "democrats" who have voted republican since the 60s do NOT count.
has to be stroked.The reason she can't raise the money herself is because,
Hillary got 18 million votes,she doesn't have 18 million supporters.Of the18 million votes, some were apart of operation chaos(Limbaugh),some are party loyalist (will support the nominee at all cost) and the rest were never going to vote Obama,so Mccain is courting them,these are the truly stupid ones.On the brightside can you think of a more fitting gift to give the "repugnican" party,a emotional group of infidels?
who could CARELESS about the issues at stake
She is being gracious and magnanimous and you all STILL can't help but twist everything around into the worst possible reading of her actions.
It's not her, folks, its you. Grow up. Even you, John. After a hard fought campaign that was closer than most, and when previous second-place finishers TOOK IT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION, you couldn't ask ANY politician to be as gracious as Hillary is being, yet you still vilify her -- more than you do Dubya! The way you and some of the commenters here seem to go out of your way to continue to slam Clinton and her supporters is hardly reasonable, realistic, or supported by the facts.
But hey, if you want to keep pushing people away from supporting Obama, please, be my guest. After coming here years ago to find refuge and solace during the darkest days of Bush, thinking I'd met like-minded people who supported fairness, compassion, and progressive policies, I find that the words of outright scorn and hatred are just as common here as at Free Republic. Obama gets a free pass with every more conservative moment he has, while Clinton is called every name in the book.
I don't know why you people think of yourselves as progressives, because there's been NOTHING progressive about your reaction to Hillary Clinton, and it's truly sad.
and sore losers and petty just like the Clintons.
Whatever she does now ,she has to,she divided the party with her" repugnican
"antics.Holding out to be paid isn't graciousIT'S EXTORTION PERIOD. If Obama
had lost ,He wouldn't have pimped her out at the end for money.Why should he
pay ,for HER choosing to drag out a race, that she wasn't in a position to
when since feb? He's paying for her mismanaged campaign.Think before you
write your garbage!!!
She was MORE selfLESS than previous *MALE* DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS in her position, and yet you vilify her rather than praise her.
It's completely irrational and doesn't do Obama any favors. Again, there's NOTHING progressive about rants like yours.
That kind of statement is more Republican. It also ignores all the good the Clintons have done, and also ignores the FACT that other, male candidates who did as well as Clinton did NOT drop out before the convention.
That's a fact, catty. Clinton's actions were more selfless than other male politicians in the same position as she, and all your name-calling of her won't change that.
It's sad that you've bought into the rightwing lies about the Clintons. Especially given that Obama is moving more to the GOP side than Clinton ever did.
It's almost as if you've been so brainwashed by right-wing talking points that you can't look at the Clintons objectively. And that's not uncommon, unfortunately.
I'm not quite sure why there is so much hatred in you. The facts don't support your overemotional response.
for Obama,if you were a party loyalist and not a fairweather democrat,Mccain
wouldn't be an option. I think the best gift the democrats could give the
"repugnicans" is a bunch of infidels,that don't think and run off
emotion.You are what they are looking for,STUPID.
Are we all going to start dressing alike now, too? Maybe doing group calisthenics every morning just before we sing the national anthem and say a prayer for our Dear Leader's continued health?
You so perfectly demonstrate the type of Obama supporter who turns people off that I have to wonder if you aren't secretly a McCain plant.
like me,have at it~
www.paulvclinton.com
www.youtube.com search the clinton chronicles 1-11,the mena
connection,hillary's baggage.hillary the movie 1-9 the american people seen
through the corrupt twosome! Go argue with your self,stupid
don't email me again.
If you didn't want me "emailing" you, you didn't have to post a public response to my comments!
And then you have the audacity to call me stupid. The mind boggles.
If you are attempting to support Obama with such tactics, you're doing a great job... for McCain.
As for me, I continue to object to doublestandards, to viewing the Clintons overly harshly while at the same time going too easy on Obama. I think that is patently unfair, and will continue to feel free to comment when I see hypocrisy or unfairness. What Obama has been doing lately is far worse in terms of policy statements than what Clinton did, yet for some reason people are stumbling all over themselves to try to "excuse" his actions -- whereas for Clinton, they'd take every possible opportunity to distort her actions into the worst possible light and somehow think that was "truth". It's simply not reasonable.
In November, I will vote for whomever I want, based on a variety of facts and reasons. The way the party has treated the Clintons is one aspect that I will consider, without a doubt.
If you don't like the continued conversation, you can stop this too, you know. Just simply don't respond to me. It's that easy. I don't know why you simultaneously complain that I keep replying to you when you keep replying to me.
Although I haven't posted a lot here recently, I've posted on this blog on and off for nearly two years, I believe. And anyone who thinks I'm a *republican* doesn't know what they're talking about. Disagreeing with you about the Clintons doesn't make me a Republican, but it IS that kind of nonsense that's turning off some Democrats.
And again, if you'd actually READ the articles that this post referred to, you'd have understood the real point I was trying to make, not making stuff up about what I said or calling me names when all else failed.
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid...
C'mon. Help me say it:
Yes We Can!
Yes We Can!
Yes We Can!
Yes We Can!
Yes We Can!
Yes We Can!
¡Si Se Pueda!
¡Si Se Pueda!
¡Si Se Pueda!
¡Si Se Pueda!
MONEY.
I've always liked both candidates and felt their ultimate message and goals were very similar. I congratulate Obama on running a smarter and cleaner campaign and he has my full support but I don't see how it is productive to throw stones at Hillary at this point. Why does she need to "go away" when she is still a very powerful and influential person in the Democratic party? Can't you show her even a modicum of respect? I am a feminist but I do not blame sexism for Hillary not winning the nomination but I absolutely blame sexism for the disintegration of this site. I don't see nearly the same level of vitriol directed at the real opponent John McCain and that is just sad.
Seriously, it's time to move on. If they can both do it after LIVING IT, I'm sure you who has just been on sidelines writing about it, can do it too. We have so much to celebrate right now and frankly, you are being a party pooper.
Note: I supported Edwards and then switched to Obama. Although I would certainly have voted for her had she turned out to be the candidate. Her platform and Obama's weren't all that different.
maybe it isn't Hillary then, maybe its her campaign staff who feels the need to point out that it isn't their fault they lost... saving face?
THAT'S why this is sickening to me... she stayed in too long, fine, that's over... we'll let it go.
why all the 'sexism' talk? In my opinion, they need to blame the loss on something.
I really don't remember anything sexist in the battle... maybe on the blogs, but in the MSM? anything coming from Obama's campaign? I'd love some examples.
egad... they screamed 'sexism' when the calls came for Ferraro to step down. they're allowed to scream sexism over her being let go, but Obama isn't supposed to say anything about her comment that 'the only reason he's in this race is that he's black'??
talk about double-standards.
Fine, we won't bash Hillary... but her lousy campaign staff with their rovian tactics? they should be fair game... ESPECIALLY when they're all trying to use Hillary's name to secure their future, with Obama's campaign.
seems like blackmail to me.
Hillary brought it on, she can suck it up!
Obama HAS BEEN, and IS BEING very gracious, and the Clinton's are just acting like spoiled children throwing a tantrum because they can't have candy for dinner.
I can only hope after today Obama can focus on that which is really important, HIS campaign, and Hillary & Bill will ultimately fade into the sunset.
Remember, the Clinton's gave us NAFTA, and Bill signed both of Phil Gramms Financial Services and Commodity Futures Modernization Acts. Armed with those three initiatives, GW Bogus & the Lie Factory have been able to make waste, fraud, and abuse a recreational sport!
Once again..."GO AWAY"
OBAMA, OH EIGHT, OR ELSE!
"We are one party, we are one America and we are not going to rest until we take back our country and put it once again on the path to peace, prosperity and progress in the 21st Century," said Clinton.
SOUNDS GREAT TO ME !!!
Perhaps you missed this Salon article?
Why Clinton voters say they won't support Obama:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/06/23...
You can catch many more Obama-Voters with honey...
Than you can by telling them with vinegar...to 'Go Away'!
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/04/14/oba...
Wasn't it she who qouted, "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen?"She like her followers are pathetic,irrational whiners! I understand that until Obama pays off her debt,Bill won't help out on the stump.
THAT'S EXTORTION~