Just want to say I saw part of that torture tape on CNN, and it was simply OUTRAGEOUS! AWFUL.... awful...
The middle east needs to move beyond their torture culture. To think Talibangelicals (Evangelicals) want to move more towards that kind of behavior makes me sick. If you don't believe they don't then just read the poll where the Evangelicals are more likely to support torture! They simply want to go back 2000 years or mete out justice like they do in the Middle East where they make people eat sand, shock them, and beat them with boards with nails in them, run over them with SUVs and other "Levitical" stuff that was on that despicable tape!
brian
· 6 months ago
This is disgusting. We better prosecute our own torturers first before we prosecute anyone else.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 6 months ago
We could make these little stone age ratfucks into insignificant nothings if this nation would wean itself off of oil. It dawned on me last week, after renting a silly movie "Zohan", and seeing the string bikinis on the Israeli babes in the first scene, that the middle east is a mess because of two things: oil money and a stone age arab culture of m en who want to keep women as chattle and property and LOATHE the western Euro nation of Israel...they cannot stand the sight of women running around having power, or in string bikinis. Of course ask anyone who travels to London where you will see Arab sheiks in western Armani drinking martinis at gay bars. These are the same arabs who glue the anuses of gay men and then feed them a power laxative which brings death within minutes. When the US no longer needs their oil, then these little despotic shits will fade away into their medieval fiefdoms.
Indigo
· 6 months ago
Social conservatives the world around have those kinds of fantasies of brutality. They have to gather somewhere. Dubai for all its wealth is just a harbor for trashy people acting out their fantasies. Life is cheap when you're a conservative and the only thing your morality protects is unborn fetuses.
If "a great nation deserves the truth" then get your facts straight. Sheikh Issa is part of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi, NOT Dubai. The major financial markets in Dubai are regulated under the DFSA with regulations modelled on those of developed markets (including your nation). To say "anything goes" is simply NOT true. The proposed nuclear energy agreements are with the government of the UAE, NOT the emirate of Dubai. And again, that tape was allegedly filmed in Abu Dhabi, NOT Dubai. Leave Dubai out of this.
JamesR
· 6 months ago
To say "Dubai is not Abu Dhabi" in this context is similar to saying "New York is not Washington DC" - when you know you are talking about the political structure of a federated union. In this analogy New York, city and state, are ALL under the the legal jurisdiction and authority of the Federal Government in Washington. Please. Perhaps the title might have been more clear if it said "UAE" instead of "Dubai" but that would not have been as relevant to Haliburton and the port security debacle etc. As far as my rudimentary knowledge goes, Dubai is a part of the UAE with Abu Dhabi but Abu Dhabi is where the capitol is and it's the ruling family of Abu Dhabi who is the nominal and effective head of the UAE and that's who did the torturing. It looks like none of the parts of the UAE want to think of themselves as 'subservient' or a 'vassal' to any of the others, but there IS a leader of the group and a "ruling family." And of course this is what happens when one of them goes nuts. You all get blamed. Deal with it
It's a "teachable moment." Show us how good you are. There are many good things in the UAE and it's people. Knee jerk defensiveness is a natural human thing, but not one of those good things, it's just a reaction. And, if I may be so bold as to offer another observation, if "anything goes" occurred on Wall Street, why would the financial markets of Dubai have done better? Everyone's shit stinks. To say it does not does nothing to clean up the mess.
AbuDhabi_is_not_Dubai
· 6 months ago
Chris littered his point with so many inaccuracies that he only adds to the mess.
And to clean up the mess you need to know where it is. This particularly horrific one is not in Dubai.
Fortunately, the "time to go retro and move beyond being a country of torturers" seemed to arrive with the new administration and you can probably guess that the applause was loudest in the Middle East. And the upside of the "torture tape" scandal is that any future built with the UAE will definitely not involve the family nutter.
JamesR
· 6 months ago
I see your point, I'd be peeved if another state made mine look bad, if there were more differences between states here, but problem and scandal can have an upside of getting information out in people''s minds that sticks.Good information. And a quick reaction to this would be that. It's awful when one's country or a country one loves get a a black eye, at least in this case it's personal and psycho with some accessory familial corruption, not political torture with institutionalized sadism, unfortunately what Bush gave us and the world. Sometimes it's NOT better to be the best at something.
Not necessarily as 'projection' but I think many in the US and elsewhere look at those tapes and see through their own lens of unresolved torture prosecution and this case seems so much simpler to dispose of honorably, and the fact that it looks like it's not touches an extra raw nerve.
wmforr
· 6 months ago
Perhaps he should hire Rush Limpbough as his defense lawyer and claim it was only a fraternity prank.
woodroad34
· 6 months ago
My ultra conservative acquaintance is constantly wondering why we don't just nuke the mid-east because he thinks they're all corrupt...well, here's the reason. Halliburton won't have any place to feel at home.
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The middle east needs to move beyond their torture culture. To think Talibangelicals (Evangelicals) want to move more towards that kind of behavior makes me sick. If you don't believe they don't then just read the poll where the Evangelicals are more likely to support torture! They simply want to go back 2000 years or mete out justice like they do in the Middle East where they make people eat sand, shock them, and beat them with boards with nails in them, run over them with SUVs and other "Levitical" stuff that was on that despicable tape!
"You are judged by the company you keep."—Aesop
It's a "teachable moment." Show us how good you are. There are many good things in the UAE and it's people. Knee jerk defensiveness is a natural human thing, but not one of those good things, it's just a reaction. And, if I may be so bold as to offer another observation, if "anything goes" occurred on Wall Street, why would the financial markets of Dubai have done better? Everyone's shit stinks. To say it does not does nothing to clean up the mess.
And to clean up the mess you need to know where it is. This particularly horrific one is not in Dubai.
Fortunately, the "time to go retro and move beyond being a country of torturers" seemed to arrive with the new administration and you can probably guess that the applause was loudest in the Middle East. And the upside of the "torture tape" scandal is that any future built with the UAE will definitely not involve the family nutter.
Not necessarily as 'projection' but I think many in the US and elsewhere look at those tapes and see through their own lens of unresolved torture prosecution and this case seems so much simpler to dispose of honorably, and the fact that it looks like it's not touches an extra raw nerve.