Yet there was a ring of urgency in her voice as Mrs. Clinton, of New York, went through her stump speech at a faster clip than usual, as if ready to jump into her van to be whisked away to her next rally.
Here in West Lawn, supporters half-filled a high school gymnasium, with one set of empty bleachers stacked against the wall. The scoreboard suspended from the ceiling flashed the words “Hillary Wins.”
Mrs. Clinton bounded on stage with arguably her most valued ally in the state, Gov. Edward G. Rendell, who shouted to the crowd by way of introduction, “This young lady knows how to fight!” (Mr. Rendell, 64, is four years older than Mrs. Clinton.)
Tens of thousands turned out to see Mr. Obama, of Illinois, as he campaigned by train across southeastern Pennsylvania. On a sun-splashed afternoon, he held rallies along the rail line in four cities and stepped onto the rear platform as he passed through several other towns, waving to supporters who lined the route.
“Now it is our turn, Pennsylvania,” said Mr. Obama, speaking at his first stop in the Philadelphia suburb of Wynnewood. “This is a defining moment in our history. All of you are here because you can feel it.”
Obama has every region of the state covered today. Gov. Sebelius is in Pittsburgh and Erie. Gov. Kaine is in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre. Sen. Kerry is in Allentown and Easton, and Teddy Kennedy is York and Gettysburg. Meanwhile, Obama hit three Main Line stops, plus Lancaster and Harrisburg.
amen. been saying for a couple of years that fuel from food is just plain dumb. would go so far to say the using of agriculture land for fuel is dumb, are you listening brazil???? but the bigger elephant in the room is population. wonder how long it's going to take before homo sapiens bites the bullet and admits that it going to take a lifetime (about four generations) to get the human population back to a sustainable level. afterall, it was only a hundred years or so ago that there were as many peeps on the planet as there are today in india.
Andrew
· 1 year ago
The greatest blunder of policy that the elitists made was in using food as fuel. Now the masses that hunger are at their doors and there is nothing worse than an angry, hungry crowd looking to place blame. Just my perspective, but it isn't the number of people on the planet that are the problem, but the worlds movers and shakers that continue to stiffle advances in technology that could eradicate food shortages as well as the energy shortage. Why any government would pay farmers as we do here not to grow crops and pay them is beyond me other than specific interests whose main motivation is corporate greed. I wonder what the founders would have thought of K Street lobbyists today?
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Hi Bush_Bites and Sage..looks like we are the few remaining tonight LOL. Not sure who posted the video here last night on a JFK press conference, but after watching it, I poked around some of the other related videos and one caught my eye...the footage of the secret service detail being pulled off JFK's limo just prior to the kill zone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8
I showed that to a friend at work today who is one of those who still listens to Rush and Hannity and believes in the canard of liberal media bias. He was dumbfounded and profoundly bothered by it, even admitting the government would be the only one who could have called off the Secret Service. So I decided to press the envelope and pretend I was clueless about 9/11. There happened to be in the related videos section the series on 9/11 coincidences 1-19. I clicked on part 1 pretending to be merely curious since the JFK footage had both our attention. Needless to say, after watching together (me pretending to be seeing it for the first time and just as shocked as he was), he announced out loud 9/11 was DEFINITELY an inside job. He then mumbled something about what else "they" are lying about. This after only making through part 9. (we had a slow day!).
So, came home and started watching the rest and realized THIS is exactly what we are fighting for. We can never let these neo-cons continue unabated. For now they may have gotten away with 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq, but they aren't done. We have to stop them. We have to stop McCain, who joined PNAC in 2004.
To refresh yourself here's part 9- watch all of them, but this one is a good reminder to us all what happens when few have so much power:
Indeed. The suggestion that humanity consider serious population controls is one that will come up in the next generation or so. Of course, some will suggest that the developed world (read: not brown people) should not have the same limits placed on them as the undeveloped world (read: brown people). Perhaps by then we will have had the serious conversation about race that needs to happen.
Or, perhaps, in a century or so, humanity will have figured out space travel, and large parts of the population will leave for the stars.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
What's interesting is that we don't produce enough food to have leftovers to make other products. What kind of planet is this?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
We'd have a lot more food if people cut down their meat consumption.
A lot less pollution and CO2 too.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Heck, if there isn't enough food for the common man/woman, perhaps we should eat our own? I say we start with the Bush & Cheney families, the only challenge will be how to elevate the flavor of sulfur from the meat. .
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Thanks Sara.
I tend not to believe the conspiracies--I think Bush enabled 9/11 through his incompetence more than through any inside job--but I keep my mind open to the theories.
I'll check it out.
PDJ70
· 1 year ago
So?
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
You're welcome Bush_Bites. I hope you will check it out. I refused to believe our government could be as evil as to plot to kill innocent people for power and money, no matter how loathsome they were. It took a very intelligent, non tin foil hat looking or acting friend to start slowly with me. Exam what's out there. Tens of millions in this country and hundreds of millions abroad do not believe the official conspiracy theory we were told. There has to be a reason for that. Look around and you'll find out why. Remember as long as we are afraid of labels (like our spineless Dems) or afraid having the knowledge means we'll be called to action and don't want to upset our own apple carts, they continue to get away with this. They got away with JFK, then MLK, then Bobby, the the Gulf of Tonkin, the Iran Contra Affair.. the list goes on and on . 9/11 wasn't the end game for them.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Oh, I believe Bush and Cheney would kill innocent people for power and money in a second.
They do it every day in Iraq.
I just haven't seen anything to convince me that they did do it in the case of 9/11.
But I did watch episode 9, and found it interesting.
I'll watch the rest.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Bush_Bites, did you watch the link I gave of the Secret Service being pulled off JFK's limo detail? People who believe Oswald did not kill JFK have been labeled conspiracy theorists and tin foil hat nuts forever. Watch the actual footage taken from that day and tell me who else could have called off the Secret Service? If they could kill a sitting US President in broad day light, anything is possible. Start with that then let your eyes and common sense do the rest.
PDJ70
· 1 year ago
What is this crap about? The neocons needed a "new Pearl Harbor", it's written in black and white, or whatever your personal choice of font. The neocons didn't need to bomb Pearl Harbor (WTC). The neocons needed someone else to do it. Were the neocons in on the planning? I doubt it. Did the neocons know it was going to happen? Official documents say they did. Maybe we'll find out for sure in fifty years. Why were the perpetrators of 9/11 mostly Saudi, who have benefited the most? Why is there not just a "6 degrees of separation" connection between the Bush family and the bin Laden family? Hey, I'm no genius, but I'm not stupid! If I was, I'd be a highly qualified, unemployed, IT professional with over 15 years experience. Oh, wait, I am. Nevermind.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I saw the JFK video too. I didn't look very closely, though. I have a lot of questions about it that can probably be answered once I study it more.
I didn't find the SS guys jumping off the car to be strange. They always run alongside the car when it's going slow in a parade, then jump on when it speeds up. Though, I admit, they looked confused, which is not very characteristic.
Also had some questions about the film itself. Where it came from, etc. Streets looked kind of rough and potholed to be in downtown Dallas, but I'm not sure. As I say, I plan to look at it again and scan whatever documentation might be linked.
My personal belief at this point is that Oswald did it, but might have been encouraged and aided by others.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
What is this crap about? The neocons needed a "new Pearl Harbor", it's written in black and white, or whatever your personal choice of font. The neocons didn't need to bomb Pearl Harbor (WTC). The neocons needed someone else to do it. Were the neocons in on the planning? I doubt it. Did the neocons know it was going to happen? Official documents say they did.
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Oh, I'm the first one to say Bush and Cheney and the Neocons benefitted from 9/11.
And, in fact, they and their big donors were the only people in the world who benefitted from 9/11.
And, yeah, that has to be factored in to any theories. But those who benefit from a crime don't necessarily cause it.
I just haven't seen any hard evidence to convince me yet.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
The minute Bush or anyone in his regime mentioned the word "biofuels" we should have known it was an extremely bad idea...for the people, but not for his rich friends.
BTW, I agree with the matter of overpopulation. Quality of life is more important than quantity of life, as in everything else. We're not going to equal out the disparity in incomes for rich and poor countries any time soon, although we should work vigorously on that, and in the meantime, the more people, the cheaper human life is viewed, even in this country, which consumes most of the world's resources, percentage-wise. I mean, if you don't think human life is cheap, you haven't been paying attention to those in poor countries who are trafficked, both for labor and sex, the rise in criminal activities and cooperation by them in a variety of countries, including ex-Soviets and the suppression of rights in almost every country, including this one. Better to have a smaller world population which can thrive and have a good quality of life, than allowing regimes to suppress their populations. An educated, informed and healthy middle class, even without all the bells, whistles and consumer products, is preferable to the opposite.
What can an IPod do for you if you're hungry or homeless or can't get medical care? The pawn shop is always around the corner to take the rest of any assets you might possess.
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Great coverage Pa. campaigning in the NY Times.
Yet there was a ring of urgency in her voice as Mrs. Clinton, of New York, went through her stump speech at a faster clip than usual, as if ready to jump into her van to be whisked away to her next rally.
Here in West Lawn, supporters half-filled a high school gymnasium, with one set of empty bleachers stacked against the wall. The scoreboard suspended from the ceiling flashed the words “Hillary Wins.”
Mrs. Clinton bounded on stage with arguably her most valued ally in the state, Gov. Edward G. Rendell, who shouted to the crowd by way of introduction, “This young lady knows how to fight!” (Mr. Rendell, 64, is four years older than Mrs. Clinton.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/politics/2...
Clinton camp makes negative robocalls about Obama.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/...
“Now it is our turn, Pennsylvania,” said Mr. Obama, speaking at his first stop in the Philadelphia suburb of Wynnewood. “This is a defining moment in our history. All of you are here because you can feel it.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/politics/2...
Obama has every region of the state covered today. Gov. Sebelius is in Pittsburgh and Erie. Gov. Kaine is in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre. Sen. Kerry is in Allentown and Easton, and Teddy Kennedy is York and Gettysburg. Meanwhile, Obama hit three Main Line stops, plus Lancaster and Harrisburg.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/19/195658/...
Just my perspective, but it isn't the number of people on the planet that are the problem, but the worlds movers and shakers that continue to stiffle advances in technology that could eradicate food shortages as well as the energy shortage. Why any government would pay farmers as we do here not to grow crops and pay them is beyond me other than specific interests whose main motivation is corporate greed. I wonder what the founders would have thought of K Street lobbyists today?
I showed that to a friend at work today who is one of those who still listens to Rush and Hannity and believes in the canard of liberal media bias. He was dumbfounded and profoundly bothered by it, even admitting the government would be the only one who could have called off the Secret Service. So I decided to press the envelope and pretend I was clueless about 9/11. There happened to be in the related videos section the series on 9/11 coincidences 1-19. I clicked on part 1 pretending to be merely curious since the JFK footage had both our attention. Needless to say, after watching together (me pretending to be seeing it for the first time and just as shocked as he was), he announced out loud 9/11 was DEFINITELY an inside job. He then mumbled something about what else "they" are lying about. This after only making through part 9. (we had a slow day!).
So, came home and started watching the rest and realized THIS is exactly what we are fighting for. We can never let these neo-cons continue unabated. For now they may have gotten away with 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq, but they aren't done. We have to stop them. We have to stop McCain, who joined PNAC in 2004.
To refresh yourself here's part 9- watch all of them, but this one is a good reminder to us all what happens when few have so much power:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHJHAp49Lh8
Or, perhaps, in a century or so, humanity will have figured out space travel, and large parts of the population will leave for the stars.
A lot less pollution and CO2 too.
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I tend not to believe the conspiracies--I think Bush enabled 9/11 through his incompetence more than through any inside job--but I keep my mind open to the theories.
I'll check it out.
They do it every day in Iraq.
I just haven't seen anything to convince me that they did do it in the case of 9/11.
But I did watch episode 9, and found it interesting.
I'll watch the rest.
I didn't find the SS guys jumping off the car to be strange. They always run alongside the car when it's going slow in a parade, then jump on when it speeds up. Though, I admit, they looked confused, which is not very characteristic.
Also had some questions about the film itself. Where it came from, etc. Streets looked kind of rough and potholed to be in downtown Dallas, but I'm not sure. As I say, I plan to look at it again and scan whatever documentation might be linked.
My personal belief at this point is that Oswald did it, but might have been encouraged and aided by others.
----
Oh, I'm the first one to say Bush and Cheney and the Neocons benefitted from 9/11.
And, in fact, they and their big donors were the only people in the world who benefitted from 9/11.
And, yeah, that has to be factored in to any theories. But those who benefit from a crime don't necessarily cause it.
I just haven't seen any hard evidence to convince me yet.
BTW, I agree with the matter of overpopulation. Quality of life is more important than quantity of life, as in everything else. We're not going to equal out the disparity in incomes for rich and poor countries any time soon, although we should work vigorously on that, and in the meantime, the more people, the cheaper human life is viewed, even in this country, which consumes most of the world's resources, percentage-wise. I mean, if you don't think human life is cheap, you haven't been paying attention to those in poor countries who are trafficked, both for labor and sex, the rise in criminal activities and cooperation by them in a variety of countries, including ex-Soviets and the suppression of rights in almost every country, including this one. Better to have a smaller world population which can thrive and have a good quality of life, than allowing regimes to suppress their populations. An educated, informed and healthy middle class, even without all the bells, whistles and consumer products, is preferable to the opposite.
What can an IPod do for you if you're hungry or homeless or can't get medical care? The pawn shop is always around the corner to take the rest of any assets you might possess.