DISQUS

lynchie · 1 year ago

There are times when I wonder if this is all a bigger game than we imagine. What I mean is there is no leadership. There is no DNC which is diligently working to insure that this opportunity to have Congress and the Presidency is grabbed with both hands. The more I see the lack of participation, the lack of a definitive statement which says: "those who signed the agreement to exclude Florida and Michigan if they change the date of their Primaries must live up to what they agreed to", the face of the Democratic Party is being defined by the Clintons. I also get the uneasy feeling that Obama's rise based on instituting change is not being well received by Dems up and down the ladder. I would not be surprised if the Senators and Congressmen don't feel some measure of resentment for this one term Senator's sudden popularity. Forget that he has struck a chord with the young and disenfranchised, the party never cared about them in the first place. It like the Republican Party is old, moneyed white men and Obama will destroy the status quo, Hillary can be counted on to continue the money stream from lobbyists and support the back room deals that make Washington tick.

tlsintx · 1 year ago

if the superdels remain quiet, i think we could still aikido her...

let her count all she wants from Michigan and Florida...the truth can then be repeated that pursuant to agreed rules, Obama campaigned in neither state and wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan...so how is any count in those states fair or correct?
Let her make herself look pathetic and desperate.

tbhull · 1 year ago

The harder Hillary tries the greater her failure will be. Hillary needs to get the shoe shine rag ready to bless Obama's shoes for four years.

jr · 1 year ago

Sybil will cause Obama to lose and McCain will claim to have a mandate for deep cuts to Medicare and Social Security and to invade Iran. Every day she contests this is a day we aren't getting out the vote in swing states and raising money. People like Scott Kleeb are being starved of funds while bike money thief Hillary plays out her racist nature of anybody but a black man as president

johnosahon · 1 year ago

i just saw this line in the article you linked to, and like hillary i demand, take and get what i want so damn it i am STEALING THIS LINE

"PolicyWonk2008 wrote:

Maybe Obama will turn out to be our first woman President, since Bill is our first black President.

Poor Hillary!
"

LOL

TheOriginalLiz · 1 year ago

Does anyone doubt that she is a GOP plant?

lilybart · 1 year ago

Unless she funds herself, her donations will dry up. How many more kids will sell their bicycles? How many more poor people in Appalacia can give a dollar when they need the 18cent gas tax holiday? How many more Talk Left women can give until their cats go without?

Chris From Maine · 1 year ago

of course she will. It's what McCain wants her to do after all, and her main goal now is getting John McCain elected, no matter the cost.

cmpnwtr · 1 year ago

Eugene is wrong. Her own supporters in the party are beginning to abandon her and the SDs will abandon her en masse.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Will she take a leaf out of Steve Geller's book and just litigate, litigate, litigate to run out the clock until the convention--and beyond? Will she employ bully boys like Bush did in Florida to intimidate the Party and the Obama campaign, challenging every delegate not in her camp or every vote in every state caucus election? I wouldn't put it past her--she has learned well from Rove and the Ratf*&kers.

tbhull · 1 year ago

Litigation will not occur, for the primaries, unlike the general election, is a political question left for the parties not the courts. No court would touch thi issue, except the smaill court of the echo chamber inside Hillary's head.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

True--but simply tying up the process with spurious litigation can be very effective.

tbhull · 1 year ago

No temporary orders will ever issue from any court. This simply will not be settled at the courthouse in any way. Bank on it.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Let's see how far Geller gets in Florida--if he is laughed out of court, I'll be as confident as you are.

tbhull · 1 year ago

As always, time will tell.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Except we don't have the time; Obama shold have been uncontested by now--he's having to take on McCain, Bush, and Clinton: SuperCandidate!

tbhull · 1 year ago

Obama is a supoer candidate and Hillary need to go. But until the demo party, currently so lacking in leadership puts an end to this bs, Clinton can go on at her own and the party's peril.

shell · 1 year ago

That is Hillary's main problem -- she has NO original thoughts. Everything is just re-hashing the old ways. At first, she tried the way Democrats have won in the past. When that didn't work, she tried what worked for Rove.

Hillary -- same old, same old.

Amicus · 1 year ago

Most telling slip during Tuesday's election night coverage:

Chris Dodd, "Barack, That's not true. I've know and worked with the Clintons for years ..."

He was talking to Wolf Blitzer, not Barack Obama.

You know these conversations are going on behind the scenes ...

FunMe · 1 year ago

Why should the party care about her "emotions" at this point?

Maybe our blog here should focus on Dean, Pelosi and Reid and put MAJOR PRESSURE for them to do somthing now.

Pelosi decides to be an enabler to bush and ignore the will of the people for impeachment since she is sooooooo admant that we must win the White House.

But what is Pelosi doing now to stop Hillary's tantrums that appear to be blocking our chances of a Democrat as President in 2008.

Please, someone tell Pelosi that We The People aresick and tired of that woman!

lilybart · 1 year ago

Right. Caring for her emotions is more sexist than anything she claims is sexist!

Sugapea · 1 year ago

Obama was asked about a Clinton VP?

"I can tell you this. My goal is to have the best possible government. And that means me winning. So, I'm very practical in my thinking. I'm a practical guy. One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln. Awhile back, there was a wonderful book written by Doris Kearns Goodwin called 'Team of Rivals,' in which she talked about how Lincoln basically pulled all the people he'd been running against into his Cabinet. Because whatever personal feelings there were, the issue was, 'How can we get the country through this time of crisis?' I think that has to be the approach one takes to the vice president and the Cabinet".

If the "Lincoln in 'Team of Rivals'" reference sounds familiar, that's because it is. In a much-discussed London Times op-ed from May 4, prominent libertarian-conservative writer Andrew Sullivan made exactly the same comparison in support of a Democratic dream ticket. "There's... a way for Obama to explain this choice in a way that does not violate — and in fact strengthens — his core message," he wrote. "His model in this should be Abraham Lincoln. What Lincoln did, as Doris Kearns Goodwin explained in her brilliant book, "Team Of Rivals," was to bring his most bitter opponents into his cabinet in order to maintain national and party unity at a time of crisis. Obama — who is a green legislator from Illinois, just as Lincoln was — could signal to his own supporters in picking Clinton that he isn't capitulating to old politics, he is demonstrating his capacity to reach out and engage and co-opt his rivals and opponents." Incidentally, Sullivan is widely recognized as the mainstream blogosphere's most vocal Obama cheerleader--and Clinton's most vociferous critic. Obama is aware of his work. That the Illinois senator would describe his vice-presidential selection process by spouting the same argument as Sullivan--and citing the same book--strikes me as sign that Clinton is (at the very least) under consideration.

Hints at Naming Clinton to His "Team of Rivals'

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/arch...

Nothing would bring the Dem party together like an Obama~Clinton Ticket. A Democratic ticket that would absolutely blow the Republicans away for decades!

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Nice theory, except for the fact that her negatives are too high for a Dem victory in November. Millions of Dittoheads will show up just to vote against her. All she can bring to the table are her 17 million primary voters, and even many of them would re-consider voting for her, like all those Appalachian folks, and switch to McCain in the GE so as not to vote for the scary black guy ("Ah've had enough of Hoo-sane").

shell · 1 year ago

("Ah've had enough of Hoo-sane").

Sorry -- I can't help it -- hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I saved that Daily Show -- to my computer. It will remain forever!

shell · 1 year ago

I disagree. And the main reason is Bill. Can you imagine what that egomaniac would do? A co-vice-presidency? If Obama falls for that set-up, I guess he isn't smart enough to be prez. Now, naming her to a cabinet position would be different -- Health and Human Services?

slappymagoo · 1 year ago

I know there has recently been a "call to action" from the progressive blogs to the undecided superdelegates to make up their minds, now, and hopefully enough would choose Obama that this bickering would all end. I think this sort of call to action needs to be extended to ALL of the superdelegates, any of whom can switch their allegiance. We've seen this happen already, and more often than not, it's Hillary supporters switching to Obama than the other way around. I'd dearly love THOSE superdelegates, the ones who see the writing on the wall and understand that Obama is the better candidate, to implore those supers still in the Hillary camp to switch over. Their opinions would carry a great amount of weight, IMO, being that they were in that same camp recently. This is especially true if they switched allegiance BECAUSE Hillary's antics have turned them off, that they feel that she jeopardizes the future of the party. Get a couple of those supers before a camera, let them make a viral internet ad that will be seen worldwide, pleas for the other supers to reconsider their vote. After all, Hillary's was the camp that kept hammering home the point that superdelegates - hell, ANY delegates - don't have to stick with their original choice. Let those words be her campaign's eulogy.

EDIT: I wrote my worthless little opinion BEFORE John updated his post about a chunk of the Clinton supers threatening to bolt.

shell · 1 year ago

Hey women! Yes, you Hillary supporters. This is having the opposite effect than what you claim. This takes the womens' movement backwards, decades. She is acting EXACTLY the way many misogynists have claimed ALL females do. (Do you really think they are mad at namby-pamby, weak women? No! They hate strong women. And Hillary ain't one of them.)

Yes, I am very mad. Because I am a female. Because I have raised children. Because I have worked my whole life. Because I am in her supporters' age range.

But, unlike them, I am not a goofy, emotional basketcase.

STOP IT!

Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago

I agree that we can discern Hillary's strategy here but I doubt it can really function much longer. This week, a major sea change has occurred in people's awareness of her slimy self centered approach. I think she's doomed.

shell · 1 year ago

She IS doomed, but she doesn't seem to care. And while I hope that people are drifting away from her, I feel she will still keep fighting, as long as it takes, whatever that is. The party elders must do something .....

magster · 1 year ago

Cardoza might be the start of a movement against Clinton (according to Al Giordano)

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1258

JennieB · 1 year ago

I'm starting to hate the Democratic party as much as I hate Hillary and her assinine supporters. I have never seen a whinier bunch of selfish pigs in all my life.

DoctorJ · 1 year ago

This is a non-issue. Besides, the push-back has begun.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1258

Indigo · 1 year ago

I'm optimistic that a floor fight will clear the air. Maybe the Clintonistas will walk out the way the Dixiecrats did in 1948. That will make spectacular television. I'll make popcorn.

JMOHR · 1 year ago

Going to the convention will not heal the wounds. It will give McCain months more to campaign without a unified, coherent Democratic response. I have seen the arguments that Clinton has made. The campaign is hypocritical (her supporters voted to go exclude Michigan and Florida and constituted a majority on the rules committee), divisive (playing the men's conspiracy against a woman), dishonest (dodging sniper fire), disloyal (at some time you have to place the party above your own personal ambitions) and unpatriotic (do we really want McCain as a president for four years.)

I know how hard it is to admit that you will not achieve your dream. It is especially true when you actually have a fighting spirit and have proven that you can prevail despite long odds. Clinton will not win the nomination this time around. If she continues on this track, she will ensure McCain's election and the enmity of Democrats for the suffering that we will she for the next four years.

QUALAR · 1 year ago

Eugene Robinson lacks credibility on reporting this contest ever since New Hampshire. He has clearly supported Obama from the start. He and Chris Matthews have done more to play the race card beginning with the coverage of the New Hampshire primary where they continually stressed the "Bradley Effect". Essentially, saying that the voters were racists because they told the pollsters lies then voted their prejudices. It's been the Obama camp that has played the race card throughout and have successfully driven a wedge between two important factions of the Democratic Party. Of particular concern to me is the role Jesse Jackson Jr has played in dividing the Party. Obama has subsequently hidden him since his outrageous comments about Clinton attacking Martin Luther King's legacy.

Sometimes an obsession distorts reality. It's unfortunate that this blog continually uses Chris Matthews' comments to support an anti-Hillary message because he has no credibility when it comes to the Clintons. Hatred runs deep. Besides Matthews is clearly in the McCain camp and will turn on Obama once he has the nomination.

I'm afraid Obama's supporters may have done irreparable harm to the Party and, if he does not offer the VP to Hillary, he will lose the General Election. Even though I think it's imperative for the Democrats to gain control of the Justice Department, I will not vote unless the ticket contains both Barack and Hillary. I don't care what order, but it's the only unity ticket available. Both sides need to stop the hate and concentrate on defeating the Republicans.

shell · 1 year ago

You sound just like George Bush! Black is white, rich is poor, up is down.

So -- don't vote -- better to lose you than millions of others. (And by this, I don't mean millions won't vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket -- I mean Hillary on the ticket will energize the right-wing loons, who are depressed now, hating McCain, but will be energized to vote if Hillary is on the ticket.)

QUALAR · 1 year ago

Left-wing loons are just as divisive and intolerant.

Dontice · 1 year ago

Can someone please give a single logical reason why anyone would support Hillary? She was exposed as having created racist negative ads targetting Obama, lying about combat in Bosnia, and covering for her husbands sexual misconduct with a young intern. If Hilllary supporters embrace such sickening conduct, why in the world are they in the Democratic Party? These people are shameless and revolting.

shell · 1 year ago

I agree. And I was totally on Bill Clinton's side in the Monica fiasco. (I may be old-fashioned, but to me, your sex life is between you, your partner, and your spouse.) That said, even *I* thought, way back then, when the TVs showed Hillary SO upset, not speaking to Bill, Chelsea walking between them, Bill and Hillary getting counseling, etc. -- that she knew beforehand and was only mad that this would ruin her chances, later on.

4dogs · 1 year ago

I think Hillary does not realize the fury she is causing among so many who used to like her. If she wants to run again down the road for anything, what would make her think she could ever get a majority now. She is so hell bent on some mission, I don't think she has really thought about her political future. People talk about her running again - but with the way she is acting, how many of us would ever vote for her for anything?

shell · 1 year ago

Not nearly enough. BUT the talking heads ... and Hillary .... believe the myth that Americans never remember longer than 1 year. She thinks, "I will have it made in 2012!"

She is deluded. Or mentally ill. Or both.

Andrew A. Gill · 1 year ago

I personally believe that it is inappropriate to tell someone to get out of the race when there are still contests to be won.

On the other hand, after June 3, I guarantee that I will be calling for her to withdraw. (I still maintain that she should have pulled out voluntarily after Texas and Ohio)

If she stays in any longer, she'll probably never get a committee chair.