AMERICAblog: "Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling."
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
There she goes again! Hillary keeps taking pages from the Bush Rove playbook. We wouldn't have the disastrous Bu$h regime if they hadn't been able to manufacture enough votes in Florida, with Jeb's help, to steal the election. This take no prisoners, scorched earth shit has got to stop with her campaign!
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
To cowboyneck: Bush did it, and now the Clintons are doing it,and the people are ignorant, and follow. A decent person can not win, afterall, Jesus Christ was killed for telling the truth!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
You're absolutely right, "sbhdawn"
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
when Hillary and McMavericky do it, it's just 'misspeaking'
see?
Ksue
· 1 year ago
Are there final numbers yet anywhere that tell us for sure whether she got the 10% margin last night, or just a 9.3 or an 8.6/7?
julls
· 1 year ago
I just wish Hillary would GO AWAY!! The media keeps enabling her futile efforts.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
busboy, when the time comes, will you be able to vote for mcMaverick? what if rush says not to?
it's hard for a chaos agent out there...
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
speaking of mcliars, how about that new chief of centcom - dave petraeus! he's done such a masterful job on iraq he's been promoted.
gimme shelter.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
So, how exactly are Iowa and New Hampshire being chucked? Their delegates count right? No so Florida and Michigan. Does anyone think it's a good idea to cede these two states to Republicans in the fall?
bos01902
· 1 year ago
Thanks, Pennsylvania.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
prove that not counting florida and michigan's illegally selected delegates under rules agreed to by all candidates "cedes these two states to Republicans in the fall". bullshit.
Real Clear Politics does have Clinton in the popular vote lead now when counting all votes cast. If you try to disallow votes you will start to find yourself falling into Bushspeak..
Popular vote doesn't decide the outcome though, and that's why we got Bush instead of Gore. Likewise popular vote isn't the ultimate decider between Obama and Clinton.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Hillary is probably having her staff checking to see if Black people really have the right to vote.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
"Sniper fire" and "vetted" or "experienced" must be examined carefully and not for the claims themselves but more for the curious explainations during fair, after-the-fact claim-vetting... Like how Hillary's staff misremembered while briefing the candidate on her memory?!?!?!! Yeah, like if I had a dollar for every time that's happened...
PS--Er, uh...Busboy, it's Blue Dog Democrat not yellow...yellow is the color of the corporate press.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Speaking of explanations, have we heard one yet for how that questionaire on the second amendment that Obama said he never saw, disagreed with and was filled out by a low level staffer got his handwritten notes on it?
Stevious
· 1 year ago
Experienced liar.
vwcat
· 1 year ago
I want to strangle Pennsylvania for chaining us to two more weeks of having to deal with the Clintons and their lunacy. Two more weeks of the media laying down to the Clinton spin and mud. Please make it stop! Do you hear us, NC and Indiana?
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
terry mcsoreloseriffe was just crowing on msnbc about hillary's BIG win last night. i switched the tv back to HGTV - i can't watch all this spinning any more. it's making me really dizzy.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
"popular vote" is just clintonese "fuck your rules"
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
Just curious, don't the rules say something about getting 2025 delegates? What about that rule?
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
So everybody lies. The truth us known! Irony. I love Irony.
tusojos
· 1 year ago
Wow, so many Hillary bashing posts in one day. How is this any different from her bashing Obama?
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
"popular vote"
Only matters when your candidate has it.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
"only matters when your candidate has it"
actually that's not accurate. it's irrelevant to the process. maybe someday that will be changed, but this nomination is going to the candidate with the most delegates - and obama will probably have that sewed up by the end of may if not sooner.
Bluestocking
· 1 year ago
Actually, if anything, I think that Geffen understated the issue when he said that all politicians lie. The plain and simple truth is that they not only lie, they practically *need* to lie if they want to have a prayer of being elected. This is largely because many if not a large majority of voters are unfortunately not all that interested in hearing the truth. Let's face it...the definition of a successful politician in this country is the one who's able to coax a positive (or at least less negative) response from a majority of the voters and sustain that as long as possible. It doesn't have anywhere nearly as much as it should -- in fact, very little -- to do with excellence in leadership and has a lot to do with the people's irrational desire to believe that it's possible to get something for nothing and that action can take place without consequence even though they KNOW that this is not how the world works. It's been said time and time again, but it bears repeating...in a free society, we get the leaders we deserve and not necessarily the ones we need.
Despite our capacity for logic and reason, human beings are still animals -- and like all other animals, human beings have an almost instinctive desire to seek pleasure and avoid pain. If I may use one of my favorite movies as an analogy, when offered a choice between the blue pill (a comfortable illusion) and the red pill (an ugly or frightening truth), the fact is that a great many human beings will invariably seek refuge in the blue pill unless or until the stress of cognitive dissonance becomes so intense that the person finds it impossible to remain in denial and the illusion crumbles. Politicians know all this very well -- and unfortunately, until such time as more people are willing to take more responsibility for themselves and listen to what they need to hear instead of only what they want to hear, politicians will continue to lie to us. This is actually one of the reasons why I'm firmly in agreement with two of my favorite writers (Douglas Adams and JK Rowling) when it comes to politics -- those who most desire to lead other people should probably not be allowed to do the job.
Your_Uncle_Bastard
· 1 year ago
As a Michigan voter, it's beyond infuriating that she keeps throwing salt in the wound. As far as I'm concerned, none of the slate of candidates deserves a single vote from us - that's the message they've all sent, from the state party all the way up the flagpole, so I guess we are expendable.
Good luck with that. I fully expect St. BBQ to win Michigan handily in the general thanks to this persistent wankery - the west side of this state has enough rabid Republicans to ensure this outcome. Enjoy watching the big Mitten turn scarlet! Ya dumb fucks.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
I am not speaking about the process. Just that it only ever matters when your candidate should have won. If Bush had lost the electoral vote to Kerry I would have loved the irony of the loss.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
chaining us to two more weeks of having to deal with the Clintons
Two more weeks of cable nooz sinking to deeper lows and camcorder footage of angry race and fear-baiting Clintonian finger jabbing...It's all the wingers can talk about. If it wasn't for The Daily Show & Colbert highliting his age and naps, McStain would be getting zero play. Love to see another of Bill's legacy favs get tweaked by an obvious Obaman or an ordinary audience questioner so as to provoke more angry camcorder footage. I'm hoping for anger as Bill manouvers his full tray away from a crowded buffet. You know, there's money in a real, real Bill Clinton reality show...if only he wasn't aware of the cameras!!! So will the candidates give CBS, Katie and Bush pal Bob Schieffer a broadcast chance to drag the old analog media deeper into the pit than ABC's recent sad effort???
dad
· 1 year ago
I won't vote.
For the first time, ever.
The difference between McCain and Clinton is no difference. It'd be no different than voting for lieberman. Won't do it.
Hillary is the same.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
dad: i dislike her intensely, but there is still a big difference between hillary and mcsame. judicial appointments alone would propel me to vote for her if she manages to steal the nomination.
jescot
· 1 year ago
Just got out my car listening to Ed Schultz while eatign Matzah....Oy the bread of afliction !
He asked a great question ....Does Hillary consider North Carolina and Indiana small states or big states?
Its a brilliant question that will hang her by her own petard. How would she spin an answer?
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
jescot: the only big states to hilllary are the ones she wins. ask her the day after.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
typical shillary spin. obama didnt throw anyone overboard. they broke the fucking rules.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
" they broke the fucking rules."
That should be Obama's campaign slogan in Florida and Michigan.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
i'm takin' the dogs to the park. see ya later.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Oh, and the overflow of practical (wink, wink!!!) tips from wingers.... Dough-faced Morning Blo's sure been spouting 'em like a whale! Memo to Idea-Bankrupt MSNBC Producers: The role-playing segment with Harald Ford painfully didn't work last evening. Kinda like Hitler offering brisket and knish prep tips...
cdsmith239
· 1 year ago
It's kind of fun to watch all of your heads exploding over the whole thing today.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Hillary Clinton is a lying sack of shit.
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary and her Mr. Smithers Terry McAuliffe won't shut up about winning Texas when Obama won more delegates there
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
SImply stated, Obama's rabid fans are the Scientologists of the Democratic party. Known more for their reactionary zeal to protect their dear leader at all costs than for their theology.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Everyone in politics may lie, but SOME do it more often than others.
This isn't what my high school civics teacher thought we should be doing, so why is it OK with everyone now? Perhaps because we are so USED to lying or maybe even because we like the nasty fight?
193army
· 1 year ago
If, I am correct...the courts have ruled that politicians can misinform us or lie more like it...The peoples recourse then is not electing in the first place or not re-electing them…
Sonnyboy
· 1 year ago
I'm a Florida voter. I resent your calling my primary vote imaginary.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Nine point losses are normally considered "landslides" in politics. Obama may have peaked too soon. If this is the case, then the North Carolina primary should shed some light since there are a lot of Reagan democrats in NC who may get energized to vote for Hillary.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
scooter hussein in brooklyn 4 minutes ago: prove that not counting florida and michigan's illegally selected delegates under rules agreed to by all candidates "cedes these two states to Republicans in the fall". bullshit. --------------------------------- I didn't include Michigan scooter. Just Florida, which has a huge Reagan Democrat, snowbird democrat, and yellow dog voting block.
jaclemons222
· 1 year ago
"prove that not counting florida and michigan's illegally selected delegates under rules agreed to by all candidates "cedes these two states to Republicans in the fall". bullshit."
Because Republicans will remind voters in those two states that Obama tossed them overboard when it was convenient for him. He can campaign on the "illegal delegates" issue but I doubt it's going to be very successful. I'll make you a wager. I bet Obama doesn't commit more than token resources to Florida. His energy will be better spent someplace he'd have a chance of winning.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
She is disengenuous to count Michigan and Florida votes. But, she may turn out right in the long run because there are several compromises in the works to count those votes. For the DNC to piss off the democrats in the state of Florida would be to hand the election to McCain.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
tlsintx 4 minutes ago: busboy, when the time comes, will you be able to vote for mcMaverick? what if rush says not to? it's hard for a chaos agent out there...
I like Obama because he's more intelligent than the other two jaded politicians. He's more likely to come up with workable solutions to problems we face. But, if his platform contains policies that are deleterious to me or my family? Then I won't vote for him. I may not vote, period.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
tusojos 1 minute ago: Wow, so many Hillary bashing posts in one day. How is this any different from her bashing Obama? ----------------------------- If you think this is Hillary bashing, then you have a low pain threshold...
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Bush did it, and now the Clintons are doing it,and the people are ignorant, and follow. A decent person can not win, afterall, Jesus Christ was killed for telling the truth!
see?
what if rush says not to?
it's hard for a chaos agent out there...
gimme shelter.
Petraeus picked to lead Mideast command and succeed Admiral William Fallon.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080423/ap_on_go_ca...
Popular vote doesn't decide the outcome though, and that's why we got Bush instead of Gore. Likewise popular vote isn't the ultimate decider between Obama and Clinton.
Like how Hillary's staff misremembered while briefing the candidate on her memory?!?!?!!
Yeah, like if I had a dollar for every time that's happened...
PS--Er, uh...Busboy, it's Blue Dog Democrat not yellow...yellow is the color of the corporate press.
Please make it stop!
Do you hear us, NC and Indiana?
What about that rule?
Only matters when your candidate has it.
actually that's not accurate. it's irrelevant to the process. maybe someday that will be changed, but this nomination is going to the candidate with the most delegates - and obama will probably have that sewed up by the end of may if not sooner.
Despite our capacity for logic and reason, human beings are still animals -- and like all other animals, human beings have an almost instinctive desire to seek pleasure and avoid pain. If I may use one of my favorite movies as an analogy, when offered a choice between the blue pill (a comfortable illusion) and the red pill (an ugly or frightening truth), the fact is that a great many human beings will invariably seek refuge in the blue pill unless or until the stress of cognitive dissonance becomes so intense that the person finds it impossible to remain in denial and the illusion crumbles. Politicians know all this very well -- and unfortunately, until such time as more people are willing to take more responsibility for themselves and listen to what they need to hear instead of only what they want to hear, politicians will continue to lie to us. This is actually one of the reasons why I'm firmly in agreement with two of my favorite writers (Douglas Adams and JK Rowling) when it comes to politics -- those who most desire to lead other people should probably not be allowed to do the job.
Good luck with that. I fully expect St. BBQ to win Michigan handily in the general thanks to this persistent wankery - the west side of this state has enough rabid Republicans to ensure this outcome. Enjoy watching the big Mitten turn scarlet! Ya dumb fucks.
If Bush had lost the electoral vote to Kerry I would have loved the irony of the loss.
Two more weeks of cable nooz sinking to deeper lows and camcorder footage of angry race and fear-baiting Clintonian finger jabbing...It's all the wingers can talk about.
If it wasn't for The Daily Show & Colbert highliting his age and naps, McStain would be getting zero play.
Love to see another of Bill's legacy favs get tweaked by an obvious Obaman or an ordinary audience questioner so as to provoke more angry camcorder footage.
I'm hoping for anger as Bill manouvers his full tray away from a crowded buffet. You know, there's money in a real, real Bill Clinton reality show...if only he wasn't aware of the cameras!!!
So will the candidates give CBS, Katie and Bush pal Bob Schieffer a broadcast chance to drag the old analog media deeper into the pit than ABC's recent sad effort???
For the first time, ever.
The difference between McCain and Clinton is no difference.
It'd be no different than voting for lieberman. Won't do it.
Hillary is the same.
He asked a great question ....Does Hillary consider North Carolina and Indiana small states or big states?
Its a brilliant question that will hang her by her own petard. How would she spin an answer?
That should be Obama's campaign slogan in Florida and Michigan.
Dough-faced Morning Blo's sure been spouting 'em like a whale!
Memo to Idea-Bankrupt MSNBC Producers: The role-playing segment with Harald Ford painfully didn't work last evening. Kinda like Hitler offering brisket and knish prep tips...
This isn't what my high school civics teacher thought we should be doing, so why is it OK with everyone now? Perhaps because we are so USED to lying or maybe even because we like the nasty fight?
prove that not counting florida and michigan's illegally selected delegates under rules agreed to by all candidates "cedes these two states to Republicans in the fall". bullshit.
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I didn't include Michigan scooter. Just Florida, which has a huge Reagan Democrat, snowbird democrat, and yellow dog voting block.
Because Republicans will remind voters in those two states that Obama tossed them overboard when it was convenient for him. He can campaign on the "illegal delegates" issue but I doubt it's going to be very successful.
I'll make you a wager. I bet Obama doesn't commit more than token resources to Florida. His energy will be better spent someplace he'd have a chance of winning.
busboy, when the time comes, will you be able to vote for mcMaverick?
what if rush says not to? it's hard for a chaos agent out there...
I like Obama because he's more intelligent than the other two jaded politicians. He's more likely to come up with workable solutions to problems we face. But, if his platform contains policies that are deleterious to me or my family? Then I won't vote for him. I may not vote, period.
Wow, so many Hillary bashing posts in one day. How is this any different from her bashing Obama?
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If you think this is Hillary bashing, then you have a low pain threshold...