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AMERICAblog: Feinstein says Senate should seat Burris

  • CPL · 11 months ago
    For once, Feinstein sees how bad it makes the Democrats look to suddenly try to break the law in not allowing Burris to be seated; yet allowed the Bush Crime Family to rape and rip off this country for eight years with the legislation they allowed to pass.

    Again, if Burris was gay, would you be hollering this loud about his being seated? Additionally, I would look at the last post you wrote about this; the comments are going 90% AGAINST YOUR POSITION, and essentially disagreeing with YOU.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 11 months ago
    somebody just went off the rails. what does this have to do with being gay or not? i guess you could surmise that if hitler had been gay, john would be a neo-nazi. but how do you expect to get away with that crap?
  • CPL · 11 months ago
    I asked the question because this is the same damned blog that went off the rails blaming Black People for the Passage of Proposition 8. As far as I know, John hasn't apologized for THAT, either.

    He's making noise about Burris - and I asked would he had made the same noise if Burris was gay. It's a simple question to answer.

    The fact that you're getting riled up tells me that I'm not the only one "going off the rails" as you eloquently put it.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 11 months ago
    your "question" was an accusation, not a real question. why not stick to the issues (as the other reply recommended)? lots of people just aren't persuaded when you say yours is the majority opinion and that the minority opinion is colored by sexual orientation.
  • CPL · 11 months ago
    and my question still hasn't been answered.

    Additionally, if you knew anything about me, I advocate for gay rights, and have been at the forefront about civil rights issues for EVERYONE, but it appears to me that John can be selective as opposed to inclusive, and if I can't put the question out there for HIM to answer, I won't waste my time.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 11 months ago
    nobody would answer a ridiculous question like that. "if charles manson were gay, would you overlook his crimes the way you did jeffrey dahmer" or something similar. come on.
  • scottinsf · 11 months ago
    First off, I agree with you on this particular issue. I completely disagree with John's stance on Burris. Now, having said that I've got to address something else you said...

    Where did this blog ever go off the rails blaming Black people for prop 8? Seriously. I'd love to see it. If you could even find one post from the archives for an example I would be appreciative. This entire idea that Americablog or it's commenters overall "blamed" blacks for prop 8 passing is bogus and tired. I know there was much discussion over that 70/30% poll that CNN put out on how Blacks voted but I'm truly not seeing this "blame" you mention. I would in fact say that the regular commenters with any history here overwhelmingly blamed mormons and the no on 8 campaign. There were a few prolific new posters with no posting history placing blame squarely on Blacks but they were small in number and most likely provocateurs. A lot of us were quick to point out how that CNN poll was bogus; many commenters linked directly to Nate Silver's debunking of that poll. I believe John even did in one of his posts. I think there was some good discussion on Prop 8 and the numerous factors in its passage. If you are too sensitive about discussions of these issues this blog probably isn't for you. Try not to paint this blog with such a broad brush; and again, if you could just give a link to any posts from John, Joe, or Chris blaming blacks I'd love to see it.
  • CPL · 11 months ago
  • scottinsf · 11 months ago
    If that's what you're talking about I don't know what to tell you. John threw the topic out there without comment. I noticed even in that thread it went back to the mormons by many. I saw people calling bullshit on the commenter John quoted. If anything I think John was steering us to talk about it. How is that blaming?

    Thank you for the link though. I do appreciate you finding it and I think I understand where you're coming from better.
  • CPL · 11 months ago
    John could have commented as to whether or not he agreed with the poster. He didn't and his silence does not clearly communicate whether or not he wanted us to talk about it; if he did, he could have said so and avoided this.

    The fact that he posted the commenter's comment WITHOUT making his own commentary indicated HE AGREED WITH HIM.
  • RitornaVincitor · 11 months ago
    Nobody blamed black people for passing Prop 8. Obviously blacks alone could not have passed anything. They were just the group that was most strongly in favor of Prop 8, regardless of whether you believe the 70% figure or the 56% figure.
  • 1970cs · 11 months ago
    I've been here awhile and don't always agree with John. But I respect him and am grateful for his blog. This is one of the few places in the blogosphere where comments and ideas are not censored. I see no reason to get personal, argue ideas.
  • mark · 11 months ago
    Who knows. Do you remember when progressives and some African-Americans were upset that Obama chose Clinton to be Sec of State? They were upset because of a variety of reasons (her position on the war and her racist campaign, for instance). John basically called them whiners and acted as an apologist for the disgusting things Clinton said during the campaign.
  • CPL · 11 months ago
    And that's the point I was trying to make. Everyone complaining about Hillary Clinton's race-baiting was considered "whiners" and now he's saying Harry Reid's right in trying to break the law regarding Burris, but if Harry Reid was trying to break the law in refusing to seat an appointee if that person was LGBT, John would be screaming loud enough that DC would need EAR MUFFS.
  • hrh · 11 months ago
    OT: Didja hear that Sanjay Gupta was approached by Obama people to be Surgeon General? Gawd!

    He's nothing but a shill for big pharma, protecting CNN's medical advertising income. Remember the hit job he and Larry King tried to do on Michael Moore over his health care movie? Yech!
  • existenz · 11 months ago
    Actually, it was more of a concern troll job than a real hit job, and he mostly agreed with Michael Moore that our current health care system sucks.

    Gupta will not be charged with writing policy, but with being a sort of health care spokesman. He's a name that Americans know and trust, and will be able to go on TV and provide pushback against big pharma when they tell lies about Obama's plans. His boss will no longer be Time Warner, it will now be the White House.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 11 months ago
    Yep: he won't be formulating policy; he's a familiar "personality" who can use the office to get America's couch potatoes off their asses. And he will be DREAMY in his uniform!
  • Older_Wiser · 11 months ago
    Yes, he is a handsome bastard, eh wot?
  • EdNSted · 11 months ago
    "Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see."
    -MLK, Jr
  • mark · 11 months ago
    Yes, it's terrible when Democrats follow the law. Feinstein should pretend that the constitutions of the U.S. and the State of Illinois don't exist. Then the Dems could refuse to seat Burris. She could follow the same illegal path that was used to deny Adam Clayton Powell his seat. (She'll just have to ignore the Supreme Court decision that ruled denial illegal.)

    Rule of law. Blagojevich has not been impeached. He is the governor of Illinois and has the legal authority to appoint a new senator and did so. Burris has a right to take his seat.

    P.S.

    Looks like Obama has selected Dr. Sanjay Gupta to be Surgeon General. That mean that a South Asian has received a high profile appointment. I can't wait to see how this gets spun.
  • Griffon · 11 months ago
    "Rule of Law"

    Waterboarding, napalm use in Fallujah, illegal wiretaps...

    Haven't you heard mark? The 'rule of law' is suspended in America (most likely captive in a Gitmo cell) and to my knowledge, bush has not formerly restored it. Attempting to hold these 'reprehentatives' to any law of the land is sure to be met with amused arrogance.

    "There is no court in this country for men like <strike>Prothero.</strike> bush, cheney, et. al."
  • Griffon · 11 months ago
    That's "formally" restored. My cold has interfered with my typing. Apologies. As far as the html, does <del>this</del> work?
  • texasbob · 11 months ago
    DiFi may be wrong about many things, but she is not wrong about this.

    According to the US Constitution, XVII Amendment (adopted 1913):

    When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

    A writ of election is an order from a state governor to hold a special election, in this case to fill a vacant seat; unless, then, the state legislature authorizes a governor to make a temporary appointment until an election is held, the seat can only be filled by election. I can find no authority in the Illinois Constitution for the governor to make any appointments to any federal office, legislative or otherwise. But state law in Illinois reportedly provides that “When a vacancy shall occur in the office of United States Senator from this state, the Governor shall make temporary appointment to fill such vacancy until the next election of representatives in Congress...." [See http://peacesecurity.suite101.com/article.cfm/b... This provision is in full accord with the XVII Amendment.

    It thus seems clear to me that Blagojevich is completely within his rights and exercising the powers of his office quite legitimately in appointing Burris to the US Senate. Reid is quite wrong and out of bounds. Illinois law gives the Secretary of State no veto power over gubernatorial appointments, and thus the US Senate Secretary has no authority to reject Burris's appointment on the grounds that the Illinois Secretary of State has not endorsed it. The ex-professor of constitutional law recently elected to the US presidency would also appear to be out of line.

    No doubt Mssrs. O'bama and Reid are afraid of Democrats in Washington DC being "tainted" (to use their word) by Blagojevich, but riding roughshod over the Constitution is hardly a reasonable reaction, especially for people who supposedly want to restore the authority of the Constitution after the Boosh years. It bodes ill.

    Not to mention that the US Senate is already pretty well tainted by incompetence, deceit, corruption, and other abhorrent qualities one would not like to see in one's sons-in-law.
  • 1970cs · 11 months ago
    I agree, DiFi is correct here legally about Burris. But the timing of this new found respect for law appears to be aimed at not being informed about Panetta. Where was she 10 days ago and why the sudden announcement?
  • existenz · 11 months ago
    Actually, she's stating the right thing here. As much as I don't like Blago, he's still an innocent man with the powers of the IL governorship. The IL legislature sat on its hands for too long, and so Blago took action.

    Burris is an interesting character, I'm starting to like him more as I see him deal with this silly situation. The Senate should seat him and move on, and not subject Burris to more hassle than they ever gave to Vitter, Craig, Stevens or other REAL crooks.
  • usagi · 11 months ago
    1) Why would you ever feel sorry for DiFi? & 2) How can this possibly surprise you?
  • Patrick · 11 months ago
    I know that lots of people do not support seating Roland Burris. I do, however. I am a citizen of Illinois. I want to have two senators representing me. I also want to see the Senate up and running and capable of focusing their energies as early as possible on passing Obama's agenda. Republicants (can't do this, can't do that) are all too ready to derail or delay his agenda, and the Democratic congressional leaders have shown way too little spine in fighting to get their (our) agenda passed.

    Roland Burris is from downstate, Illinois, the part of the state in which I live. He seems to be honest, untainted by the governor's doings. The governor is still the governor and does have the constitutional right to appoint a senator to fill the opening that Obama left. I realize also that a lot of people, Patrick Fitzgerald included, have already judged the governor to be corrupt and guilty of crimes. But he has not yet been indicted, nor has he been convicted. The tapes, though damning, are not proof that he actually did anything that was illegal.

    I do think that the Democratic politicians who came out so strongly against his appointment did it out of fear that they would themselves be tainted by a whiff of corruption, and I think they also did it for fear that the Democratic senatorial candidate would be defeated in the election of 2010. I think they are mistaken.
  • nicho · 11 months ago
    Seems honest? Are we talking about the same person? Burris is the guy who continued to push the death penalty for a man for murder, even though he had evidence that the guy was innocent. But, I suppose we can forgive him for trying to execute an innocent man. After all, he was running for governor at the time.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/16981...
  • mark · 11 months ago
    Point taken.
  • Hm. · 11 months ago
    Actually he's not THE guy. The prosecutors were pushing it too and they were the ones that actually tried the case. Burris was most certainly following their lead since they had access to the evidence.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 11 months ago
    this situation seems more a test of obama than any particular senator. obama was gung-ho for lieberman to be BMOC based on some inscrutable political calculation. what is the political calculation this time?
  • Eric on the Beach · 11 months ago
    I rarely agree with DiFi, but she is right here. Reid looks like a fool denying Burris his seat. Whether we like it or not, Blago is still the legal Governor of Illinois and therefore has the right to appoint PE Barack Obama's Senate replacement. Burris should have been sworn in today with everyone else. Reid's big concern is that Burris cannot raise the money to keep his seat, that is assuming he would choose to run 2010, I don't think he would. Isn't Burris like 72? Plus, Burris has won statewide office in the past, so even if he does re run in 2010, who is say that he cannot raise the money and win again? We won't know that until that time. It is time for the stupid political games (and his newly found spine to fight against fellow Democrats) by Reid and start moving forward.
  • jerryCA · 11 months ago
    Blago is still governor and has not been impeached. He has duty to appoint whomever he thinks is suitable for the senate job regardless.

    BTW, don't ever ever feel sorry for DiFi the dino.. she is filthy rich because of her husband's dealings with China when she was mayor of SF... Back then, everyone in SF held their nose with the Blum/China dealings and allowed it.
  • ekwhite · 11 months ago
    I have to agree with Feinstein on this one. From what I have read, Blagojevitch is still the governor - he hasn't been impeached or convicted of a crime, so there is no real legal basis for not seating him.
  • Savage8862 · 11 months ago
    I am not sure I understand John why you are so against seating Burris as Illinois junior senator. Blagojevitch is a seated governor well within his constitutional right to appoint whomever he wants. We must follow the rule of law and I am afraid the rule of law is on Blago's and Burris' side.
  • Older_Wiser · 11 months ago
    OT, NBC reporting 40 killed, 55 injured in Israeli attack on third UN school in Gaza (1 UN health clinic also hit). Israel claims 2 Hamas "gunmen" shot at them from school. Now showing Norwegian doctor trying to minister to the injured and talking about lack of supplies, etc. Most patients women and children. This guy is a hero in a huge humanitarian crisis. "We've had more children killed, dying, amputated."

    This genocide must stop immediately. Israel should be condemned.
  • lucky hussein · 11 months ago
    they won't stop to save face, they must be stopped by someone else. what kind of idiots in israel think this won't backfire on them? anyone know the total explosive power of all the amped-up ' bottle rockets' fired by hamas compared to a 1-ton bomb? wish i knew..
  • Matt · 11 months ago
    Over 70 Palestinians killed by the mighty Israel today. Many children are dying because of Israel's wrath.
    The US has the power to condemn and say enough is enough, but as usual, the US is complicit in this massacre.

    Why the hell are we still funding and arming this bully nation? We have Americans at home suffering without jobs and healthcare, so why are we wasting taxpayers money, on a nation that has constantly broken international laws, and keeps unilaterally attacked it's neighbors. A country that overreacts violently, and unnecessary, with the excuse it is defending itself. Why are politicians so eager to please the Jewish lobby, and do so even at the risk of offending other nations, and inviting more terrorists acts against us?
  • lucky hussein · 11 months ago
    one reason: corruption and sucking off the public tit is rife in the 'industrial-millitary complex'. we sell more guns and weapons than anyone.

    inauguration can't come fast enough.. but who knows what will happen...
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    Seems to me that Israel would stop if Hamas would agree to stop killing women and children by shooting rockets and mortors into israel, and tell the world that they are no longer committed to killing all jews and/or elimnating them from the mid east.
  • lucky hussein · 11 months ago
    that will never happen... guess they will just have to kill them all... but, what's the best way? ovens?
  • Ferdiad · 11 months ago
    I am so tired of this argument. What do you want Hamas to do, float up the Med in a wooden fishing boat throwing rocks at the Israeli tanks? The issue is not what tactics are used, i.e., they both kill civilians (and Hamas doesn't have the technology to not kill them), but rather whether either group is justified in fighting at all. If Hamas stopped firing rockets, do you really believe Israel would just open up trade and borders and then allow the Palestinians to have their own state? If the answer is No, then Hamas is justified in fighting for their independence. Do you not remember when Begin and the Irgun bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, killing hundreds of civilians? They did it in the name of creating a Jewish homeland free from the British mandate. Same thing hey?
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    Yes. I do believe that Israel would open up and trade with the Palestinans, if Hamas wanted that.
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    Israel to Briefly Halt Gaza Offensive
    Israel was set to pause its Gaza offensive for three hours to allow food and fuel to reach Palestinians, as the country's leaders debated whether to accept an international cease-fire plan.
  • Ferdiad · 11 months ago
    Oh, well isn't that nice. Kind of like when the US wanted kudos for re-building the schools and hospitals in Iraq that they destroyed. Is that how it works now? Bomb a country, displace thousands of people, kill women and children and then proclaim to the world that you will "briefly pause the slaughter to let in bread and water?" Give me a break. My question was whether the Palestinians would actually be given a state if Hamas stopped firing rockets or would the settlements keep expanding and polticial dissidents continue to be imprisoned.
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    See below. If Hamas wanted peace, they have it. Should I assume that you believe that Hamas is fully justified in raining down rockets on Israel's women and children during a truce?
  • Ferdiad · 11 months ago
    I absolutely do not thing Hamas is justified in those actions. Do you think Israel is justified in imprisoning the Palestinian population during a truce? How about targeted killings during a truce or expanding settlements? How about attempted targeted killings that kill innocent women and children? Give me a break with the old "if Hamas wants peace they have it." As soon as Hamas won democratic elections Israel refused to recognize them and imposed a blockade of Gaza. Learn your facts.
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    Hamas is a terrorist organization, and apparently you agree with their efforts?
  • Ferdiad · 11 months ago
    See, very typical. You can't answer the questions that were asked. You just resort to generalities. I ask you, why is Hamas a terrorist organization? How do you define terrorist? It is kind of like when you debate gun control with someone and they justify their argument by saying "The Second Amendment gives me the right..."
    I would expect that someon justifying Israel's aggression would be a little smarter and have a little more information. Do you support Israel's killing of more than 600 people? Answer the question - don't avoid it.
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    I don't define terrorists. Governments make that determination. I do not support killing anyone. However, I do support defending oneself, and as I see it, Hamas is the agressor in this conflict, and Israel is fully justified in their actions. Apparently you see the situation otherwise. Frankly, I don't see how anyone can justify Hamas or their terrorist actions.
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    One additional comment. If Hamas would recognize Israels right to exist, I believe there could be peace between them.
  • Ferdiad · 11 months ago
    Well then, there you have it. Governments define terrorists. I guess you win. I didn't know it was that easy. I can't believe we let those terrorists the ANC and Nelson Mandela into power. Oh, maybe you didn't know they were terrorists at one point? Maybe you also didn't know that Israel was the only "Western" nation that continued to support the apartheid government in South Africa. But anyway, you don't support killing anyone, but merely "defending oneself." What exactly does that mean? Now that Israel has invaded Gaza, are the Palestinians justified in kiling them to defend their homes and children?
  • CDS2 · 11 months ago
    It's awfully hard to understand why Burris isn't being seated. He hasen't done anything wrong, and Blago hasn't been tried and convicted of anything yet. It just doesn't make any sense to me. This is making Reid look even more like a fool.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 11 months ago
    reid kinda stepped in it. finally took a risk when the stakes were too low to matter anyway.
  • EdNSted · 11 months ago
    I have not seen a good legal argument for preventing Burris to be seated. I've seen emotion and minor technicalities (SoS signature for example). But can anyone here provide a solid LEGAL argument for refusing to seat Burris? Even the governor's indictment looks like it will be delayed 3 months - at the very least.
  • Bubbles · 11 months ago
    Agreed. In the mean time, Illinois (and Minnesota) go without representation in the Senate. In the mean time the Democratic majority is shrunken by two votes.
  • Yes Massa · 11 months ago
    No Negroes Allowed sign is in full working order. Screw the law. Bar the door George Wallace Reid!
  • RitornaVincitor · 11 months ago
    I guess then you think Obama is a racist too, since Obama is opposed to Burris.
  • An_American_Karol · 11 months ago
    Sell it somewhere else. Try a blog that's really racist.
  • Constant Comment · 11 months ago
    Count me in as another Illinoisan (Chicago) who thinks Burris should be seated. Despite the fact that Blago is a corrupt dick, he has been neither indicted nor impeached. I'd much rather have him pick a senator (as is required of him by law) than wait for god knows how long to have a special election that this state cannot afford, or else risk losing the seat to a Republican. This is not the time to deprive us of a Democratic senator--there's too much important legislation Obama needs to get through. Also, Reid does not have a legal leg to stand on in this...
  • driver · 11 months ago
    John
    Why are You so against following the rule of law and the constitution,arent You an attorney have You done any research on case law study for the situation,or is it that Your from Chicago and You despise the Governor of Ill. if it is the latter then as a member of the press You really should give us full disclosure.Im no fan of Blago and Im no fan of Burris at all but from My research on this subject what Harry Reid did today was chickenshit and what the SOS did was unconstitutional and Illegal for him not to sign off on the nomination.Now I know they said they could not find it in the Ill Constitution that He had to sign it but when He took his oath of office He swore to uphold the Laws and the Constiturtion for the state of Illinois and the law states that as SOS he is required to sign the form of a legally appointed or elected official He does not have the right to inject his own opinion or thoughts and he damn sure has no business listening to Reid if in fact He did call him and ask him not to sign it,How is that any different than what they are accusing blago of doing.As far as I can tell We have spent that last 8 years with a whole administation that had no use for the rule of law or the constitution,isnt this the same thing as far as I know Blago hasnt been impeached or indicted or found guilty of anything YET and as of the moment he appointed Burris He was the elected Governor of Illinois so White needs to sign it and Reid needs to seat him period.
  • lark83 · 11 months ago
    I agree with a majority of the people on this blog - if there is nothing wrong with Burris, lets seat him. We are playing right into the Republican's hands with this, by keeping one of our own out. Lets move on and concentrate on getting Franken in there too.

    In this day and age, you can never have enough democrats.
  • BP · 11 months ago
    John: This is one time when I find your comments totally unacceptable. Burris was appointed. You may, as i do, have a problem with Blago. But unless you can point to a legal disability you are just as guilty of the people you always complain about. You are making a judgement on your feelings as opposed to the facts. You should be the last person to allow your personal feelings to get in the way of an objective assessment. You are always on about others reacting emotionally. Well you are doing that. It is not right. I would not comment on the race issue but if ever i read the transcripts and see arecord of Reid's conversation with Blago I will come back to you.
  • DAB · 11 months ago
    I disagree with Dianne Feinstein. Burris should NOT be seated until the Illinois Secretary of State has certified his appointment.

    However, if the Illinois Secretary of State chooses to certify Blagojevich's appointment, then he should be seated. Blagojevich may have committed a crime -- that jury isn't just out, it hasn't even been seated -- but Senator Reid and the rest of the Senate don't have the power to impeach him themselves and they don't have the right to refuse a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

    It may be that Patrick Fitzgerald kept a crime from occurring by alleging (and giving evidence) that Blago was selling the seat before he'd actually done so. If so, a travesty of government may have been avoided, but that may also mean a crime was not yet committed. In which case, Fitzgerald's press conference would amount to no more than a warning from Blago's own advisers would, it was only more public.
  • Bush Bites · 11 months ago
    Jesse White's play games too:

    A spokesman for Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White (D) confirmed to Election Central that White knows he does not truly have the authority to stop the appointment of Roland Burris to the Senate, but he withheld his signature from it earlier today in order to make a statement.
  • DAB · 11 months ago
    That may be his prerogative. Which would make it something for the Illinois Supreme Court to determine. It's still not the role of the US Senate to ascertain the qualifications of the people seated there, other than to hold all states to the same standard. If the US Senate requires a Sec'y of State signature on credentials, then it's up to Illinois to provide that. Until then, no seating of Burris. We (US citizens) shouldn't make exceptions for a state in one regard (as Reid wants to do) or in another (as Burris/Blagojevich want them to do), if all other states must conform to a standard.
  • John P · 11 months ago
    Blago may be a scum bag, but unless there is some evidence that Burris has tried to buy this seat, the Senate should seat him.

    Blago is the governor of Illinois and has the legal obligation to fill Obama's vacant seat. The Illinois legislature had the opportunity last month to take this duty away from Blago last month, by requiring a special election, but declined to do so.

    Illinois is entitled to two senators, and unless there is anything illegal about the appointment, the rule of law needs to be followed, and Burris needs to be seated.

    John P.
  • An_American_Karol · 11 months ago
    The Democrats had to make a big deal about Burris's seating. Had they not, the Republicans would have beaten the Dems over the head with it for the next two years.
    Now, it doesn't matter whether he is seated or not. At least the Republicans can't say the Democrats are allowing corruption within their own party.
    At this time, they might as well keep him, but I do understand why they made the objection in the first place.
  • maudgonne · 11 months ago
    So once again, Israel has opened the gates of hell to the Palestinians. Forty civilian refugees dead in a United Nations school, three more in another. Not bad for a night's work in Gaza by the army that believes in "purity of arms". But why should we be surprised? Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead – almost all civilians, most of them children and women – in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the 1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre; the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base; the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...
  • Rustyzipper · 11 months ago
    Go Girl, woow, at least one member has balls... well kinda sorta.
  • Rustyzipper · 11 months ago
    here is the case law... get over it he WILL be seated.

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.p...

    FYI, I worked with Burris in the AG's office, he has by far the most progressive supporter for G/l laws in Illinois.

    He will be a great senator..

    .
  • EarthquakeWeather · 11 months ago
    Two things are true here. Difi is correct about this. And she is still a torture-loving, Bush-enabling, war profiteering thug.
  • benb · 11 months ago
    The Gov stinks and this business about making this appointment is just...greasy. Burris may well be qualified to hold the office but his judgement sucks. It's not about whether his appointment is legal or not. It's his judgement. Just the fact that he held a big press conference in DC after they wouldn't seat him. He showed up with an unsigned certification---he didn't even try to cross the T's and dot the i's. Yes it's a technicality but Burris won't even respect the process. This guy's ambition outruns his judgement.
  • cowboyneok · 11 months ago
    Seat Burris, and remove Harry Reid as leader. We need someone who doesn't take his marching orders from Salt Lake City. I want to see a fighting tough talking Senate leader on the order of Rahm Emanuel.
  • raceynora · 11 months ago
    Most Californian's I know detest DiFi and can't stand the thought of her as Senator OR Governor. She's old and a DINO. Who needs that in light of the issues facing California.
  • Smitty · 11 months ago
    Please give us one legal reason that he should not be seated. Signature of a SOS is NOT in the constitution as a requirement for an appointee.

    17th Amendment to the United States Constitution: "When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of each State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct."
  • naschkatzehussein · 11 months ago
    She's right on this one.