AMERICAblog: Former Air Force Chief of Staff criticizes Clinton's "McCarthyite" tactics against Obama
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
This is what the Hillary supporters don't get....the GOP is gonna play the Monica broken record till the needle wears through the vinyl. Here in Texas the girl cannot win dog catcher.
Sanders
· 1 year ago
That is the point. John is correct to publicize the stuff about Hillary and Monica and also how Billary made Baracks photo darker and widened his nose in her racist attempts. Forget the Democrat Party, we need to stop being PC when dealing with Shillary and print the truth like Matt Drudge does. The Obama campaign is all about positive thinking and inclusion and we need to defeat "the monster" and her philandering husband who are trying to destroy the US election system through the corrupt 'superdelegate' system they devised to cheat back in the 90's.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
I totally agree with that.
I am very angry at what they are up to.
We knew them at Yale in the seventies. She was manipulating the Law School back then to make her head of Law Review. And a bunch of us, who were married and gay, and used to tryst in the Yale locker room area in the early seventies, thought Bill looked a bit familiar when he ran in 92...ahem...the man's dick controls his brain. And yes it lists to starboard...
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Sanders
· 1 year ago
Exactly! Believe me, I am quite familiar with the shenanigans that went on at Yale. At the same time Bill and Hill were screwing all over the place and attacking the sanctity of the institution of marriage, they were simultaneously devising a plan to blame it on gays. It was only a few weeks after those events that they created DOMA, DADT, and introduced the Marriage Amendment in order to incorporate permanent second class citizenship into the Constitution. Back then a young Yale basketball player and sex partner of Billary, Donnie McClurkin, helped them blame it all on the gays. Matt Drudge had an insider who was documenting all this and Matt was courageous enough to use the flashing blue light and get the truth out.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Sanders...sadly I was a married man at Yale in the early seventies. One night a buddy of mine invited me for a little squash match at the gym. I was pretty smelly when we ended and he told me that the shower and locker room area were wild on Friday nights. I said well that's cool. All I remember was about twenty men working on me in the locker room...this was pre-HIV crazy gay lib seventies and everyone was screwing everyone. I used to play a regular game of squash every Friday after that...ahem...Jump ahead to early 1992. Or it may have been late '91. Well a whole bunch of us were giggling and tittering when this Arkansas governor was getting face time on the news...my goodness he looked awfully familiar. Bear in mind time had passed and he was older, as were we all, but he sure looked mighty familiar. I mean really familiar.
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Sanders
· 1 year ago
That was close to the time I was an undergrad there. It was right before Andrew Sullivan got caught placing the advertisements seeking "anonymous gang-bangs" even while he knew he was HIV+. I don't judge Andrew at all because we seemed to all be caught up in fad at the time of "AIDS gifting". We looked at the virus as a badge of courage and martyrdom. For some reason, I successfully avoided it. But questions have always lingered about the Clintons and what their HIV status is.
ConcernTroll
· 1 year ago
Wow...too, too, too much information. There's a post I wish I had never read.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Who knew that a civil rights protester at my elbow chanting for Gov. George Wallace to exit the Indiana Democratic Primary in 1964 would end up being one of Bill Clinton's three impeachment attorneys. That protester was David Kendall who save for already being jailed in Mississippi that summer for registering black voters, may have ended up under a levee along with his roommate Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner, and James Chaney.
Kendall, after a year at Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar became very close friends of Bill and Hillary along with Yale classmate Greg Craig. Craig was hired by Hillary for her several legal problems while First Lady, then by Bill along with Kendall and the late Charles Ruff for counsel during the impeachment trial.
Now life-long Clinton friend Greg Craig has joined the Obama campaign. What does Craig know about the Clintons after knowing so much for years?
Mikki --SE Pennsylvania
· 1 year ago
I agree completely with your comment Sanders.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
My many Republican family members who pulled a Democratic ballot to vote for Obama in our Texas primary, are still supporting him even after a week of non-stop video snippets of Rev. Wright. However, IF Hillary is the nominee, they will NEVER vote for her. I think Texas has the best chance of giving our electoral votes to a Democrat since the last time in 1976 when Texas went for Jimmy Carter.
Texas isn't as "red" as some would like to believe. Even in his "home state" George W. Bush only pulled about 60% of the vote here with a dozen other states (most in the Great Plains and Mountain West...NOT the Deep South) giving more of their votes to Bush.
The Houston Chronicle in studying the primary votes found that in Harris County (Houston and many suburbs) that the white vote split 50-50 between Obama and Clinton (in contrast, in Ohio, Obama only got 38% of the white vote...so much for the stereotype of Yankees being color-blind). The Hispanic vote in Harris County went 84% for Hillary and the black vote went 85% for Obama. Hillary did almost all of her campaigning in Texas in front of mostly Hispanic audiences, neglecting white and black audiences (except often being accompanied by black Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee). Gone were the old very visible photo-ops of Bill and Hillary singing and clapping in black churches.
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
Even in his "home state" George W. Bush only pulled about 60% Maybe because they saw what a failure he was as governor. My in-laws lived in Texas and said politics were so crooked there, from school board elections on up.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Texas is a "weak governor" state so all of the "accomplishments" of Gov. Bush which Rove touted were worth about as much as if George W. Bush had been somebody's FIRST LADY!
One problem in our politics is that folks often don't pay attention to whom is running for office nor take an active role by voting. Therefore, we have had many of our local school districts and local government taken over by the crazy reich-wing religious fundies.
AngelaChanning
· 1 year ago
Up until about last week, I thought all the crazy things the Clintons were pulling would eventually blow over and people would forget about the ugliness when we finally had a nominee. Last night , I saw a friend who is a Clinton supporter and to my astonishment got very angry with me after I told him that I voted for Obama in the primary. I was somewhat taken aback while also being somewhat amused....but it amazes me that Democrats are not the only ones to drink the Kool Aid. Now I am wondering if they really are inflicting long term damage with their passive agressive games. I hope that is not the case. Now, of course I realize the spin will be the Obama camp is playing the McCarthy card and perhaps the Obama response could be considered a bit dramatic. I really think David Geffen really hit the nail on the head. Thank you for listening.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
I will admit to wearing "rose-colored Clinton glasses" for most of the 1990's. It took Bill wagging his finger at me and America, that he did not LIE and me going to the mat for him arguing with Clinton-haters until I was red in the face, that I was most embarrassed with all of the egg on my face after the discovery of the blue dress.
I lost my respect for Hillary when she threw the Palestinian cause under the bus as soon as she unpacked her carpetbags in New York state to run for the U.S. Senate as an INSTANT New Yorker. With a few million zionist votes in that state and needing AIPAC money and support, Hillary flip-flopped and became a "best friend" of the neocon zionists in Israel. Then I realized that the Clintons were the biggest of pander bears...say anything, do anything to WIN, to get power.
Measured_Response
· 1 year ago
"I suspect that come the fall, were Hillary our nominee, the Republicans will be talking about Monica and Bill's sex life 24/7."
To be honest I think it has been mentioned more times on AmericaBlog than by the Republicans. It's an old story that some try to revive with new nuances.
Most of us are getting past Obama and Wright which is days old, so why the pontification and continued passing references to Bill Clinton from many years ago. I'm voting for who ever is our Democratic nominee. I won't make excuses for Obama or Clinton and I won't bash either one, that just gives the Republicans more ammunition and falls in line with their talking points.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Does Hillary attend her committee meetings? posted at 7:48 am on March 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
That’s the question John McCain must be asking himself after hearing a strange assertion from Bill Clinton about Hillary Clinton’s qualifications. Bragging that “the girl” has more former military commanders endorsing her than anyone else, Bill said that her unique experience among all of the candidates on the Senate Armed Services Committee made the difference. If so, the commanders must be as bad at research as Bill, because McCain has served on that committee since before Bill and Hillary ever came to Washington:
He continued to highlight the military issue later in Cary, accentuating his wife’s gender to emphasize his point that more generals have endorsed Clinton than both Obama and Republican candidate John McCain.
“You might wonder why that’s so: Why did they endorse the girl for president? All these generals?” Clinton said.
He said that’s partially because she’s the only member of the Armed Services Committee in the race and also because of her support for wounded veterans.
Er … what? A quick check of the ASC committee page on the Senate website to prove Clinton wrong. At the top of the column of Republicans sits John McCain, ranking member on the Committee. According to Wikipedia, he’s been there since 1987, or about four times as long as Hillary, who joined the committee in 2003.
It’s going to be hard for Bill to claim that he wasn’t aware of McCain’s presence on that committee. McCain served on the ASC every year Bill Clinton was President. Hillary supposedly attends the committee meetings, for that matter. If she never noticed that McCain sat at the same table she did, it’s fair to ask what else went over her head at the meetings.
Are the Clintons making this up as they go along? Were their lies always this threadbare, as with Hillary’s claims of facing down deadly danger on her USO trip to Tuzla in 1996? The Democratic race appears to have descended into a contest to find the least-worst option, and both candidates are working hard to lose that contest. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/22/does-hill...
(John links to Atrios who doesn't link to a source). Then could we maybe have a discussion about whether the Obama campaign's spin is supported? I don't see where it is. His statements about a McCain/HRC GE pretty much ignore BO, which imust be what set people off.
Why is Obama going negative at this point when he has an "insurmountable" lead? And why with such weak material? If he's this over-sensitive with an insurmountable lead, it doesn't bode well for the fall...
VictorTTM
· 1 year ago
BTW, Atrios is a known Hillbot so I wouldn't exactly trust him. The point of General McPeak's remarks is that Barack Obama is leading a positive campaign that will end the politics of personal detruction that the Clintons and their friend Carl Rove are so good at. Billary's racist attempts to demonize Barack by darkening his photo and enlarging his nose were uncovered by bipartisan journalists. Obama is not negative at all as you allege. It was "the monster" and her "McCarthyite" lap dog Slick Willie who started the push polling. No one wants the Clintons in power again and a return to the nightmare of the 90's.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Another "progressive" Hillbot is Taylor Marsh whose blog trashes Obama as much as any reich-wing blog. Her latest entry states:
People are finally getting the message of what Obama's campaigning has wrought, including when he flippantly said he could get Clinton's voters, but she couldn't get his. Then his wife weighed in and made matters worse by saying she'd have to think about it before she could say she'd vote for Clinton. Add the other events, including former chief of staff of the Air Force Tony McPeak, co-chair of Obama's presidential campaign, going well off the reservation yet again. The first time is when McPeak said Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits; he isn't discovering his voice at the age of 60."
"Progressive" Taylor Marsh parrots the SAME remarks I have read on reich-wing blogs, the LIE implying that Michelle Obama "won't vote for Clinton!" Michelle was asked about actively campaigning for Clinton and if Taylor Marsh had completed her FULL statement, she also said, "Everyone in this party is going to work hard for whoever the nominee is. I think we're all working for the same thing. Our goal is to make sure the person in the White House is going to take this country in a different direction. I happen to believe Barack is the only person who can really do that."
Of course if the Obama hater, Taylor Marsh had gone to see the original interview instead of the EDITED YouTube version which took Michell "out-of-context" she couldn't make her erroneous remark, above.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
What disturbs me about Bill Clinton's latest remarks is the implication that only Hillary and McCain are serious candidates, who love America and will discuss the issues. The implication that we should ignore the candidacy of Obama altogether.
As for the Monica Lewinsky scandal--yeah, the media and the GOP attack dogs are going to get as much mileage out of that again as they can. Who the hell cares! This was a private matter then, it's a private matter now. Move on already.
it is amazing to me that after pursuing Richardson for weeks to endorse Hillary, and doing so persistently... the Clintons now dismiss his endorsement of Obama as insignificant.
so insignificant they worked their tails off to get it?
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
so insignificant Carville has called Richardson a Judas! LOL
Arachnae
· 1 year ago
Apparently CDS affects your reading skills. Here's what Clinton (bill) said:
It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics.
You, and apparent the General, have taken this to mean Bill was saying that his wife and Senator McCain are patriotic, and that, by omission, Barack Obama is not.
Anyone not afflicted by CDS would read this as a wistful hope that one could hold an election (between any two candidates) and assume that they both, you know, gave a shit about the country and focus on their different solutions to problems facing us. But no. It's all about dissing The Chosen One.
How is this any different from hearing Obama's comment about his grandmother being a 'typical white person' and assuming, as the crazies at Fox and Friends do, that he's making racist comments about his own grandmother?
Demo_Dave
· 1 year ago
I agree everyone has to watch ever word that comes out of their mouth for fear of of the spin doctors . Were not nominating a candidate were helping John McCain win the White House.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
You may have a point, who really knows what Bill means these days. But, since his wife has lost the nomination (although hasn't accepted it yet), it does read like Bill wishing things could be different, ya know, and have 2 candidates that love their country instead of apparently just one- McCain. After all the other little digs Bill has done, giving him the benefit of the doubt isn't quite as easy.
Arachnae
· 1 year ago
what boggles my mind is the extent to which many Obama supporters seem to have had an epiphany that the Reich Wing was right all throughout the nineties.
Doesn't it give you guys the creeps to be echoing the likes of Rush LImbaugh and Pat Buchanan in bringing back all the old Clinton canards?
I keep expecting John to suddenly conclude the Clintons WERE running drugs out of Mena airport.
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary's a me person in a society that requires a we person to dig out of the Bushonian mess. She's willing to destroy our party for another shot at it in 2012
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Actually she's willing to allow the Neo cons to attack Iran!
Measured_Response
· 1 year ago
Coming Undone Today 09:53 AM , are you aware your source material for your post is from http://hotair.com , which is a conservative right wing website.
About hotair.com/about: A Note from the Founder
Welcome to the world’s first full-service conservative Internet broadcast network! Michelle Malkin Founder, Hot Air April 24, 2006
You might want to do some research on Michelle Malkin before repeating any of the talking points from that trash website.
And your point is? Don't forget it was conservatives like Matt Drudge who had the forsight and courage to expose Bill, Hill, and Monica in the first place. The liberal media tried to white-wash the whole "blue-dress" story, but the public knew better. It's a story about integrity and sexual misconduct and Hillary is just as much a part of it as Bill. A few weeks ago Drudge had several stories linking Hillary as a possible sex partner of one of her female aides. Do we really want someone of that lifestyle choice to be in control of the nuclear football? Think about it.
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
I am so sorry I stood up for Bill and really believed he was the object of a right wing conspiracy. How stupid of me! He and Hillary are now showing their true colors; praising and gushing over McCain. What is wrong with them? They are desparate for one thing.
KatherineHepburnEyes
· 1 year ago
If that's the case, can you explain where the liberal media has been over the last eight years? How come they haven't held the Bush Admin. accountable for their actions?
Measured_Response
· 1 year ago
You might want to see the main page at http://hotair.com , the majority of articles there bash Obama and Clinton. It's a right wing conservative blog, yet you use their talking points on this liberal blog. You obviously have your own agenda for doing so. I won't be wasting my time bashing Obama or Clinton but for those who do at least use your own thoughts instead of ramping up the right wing conservative talking points.
VictorTTM
· 1 year ago
"It's a right wing conservative blog"
People are sick of these divisive labels used by the Hillbot crew to demonize Independents and forward-thinking Republcans. Democrats don't want to play these partisan games any more. Barack is going to unify both Parties and he has pledged to incorporate effective and intelligent Republican leaders into his Administration. We need people of all stripes in the Obama campaign. Let's not diss our Republican brothers and sisters by labelling them with these epithets. Shillary and Slick Willie started the whole negative campaigning garbage back in the 90's. Let's rebuke "the monster" and "the McCarthyite" once and for all.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
You will never see me saying "repuke" or other Freeper-like put downs. I was raised in a very strong Republican family with members who served a total of 32 years in public office since 1950 including my late brother-in-law who was a two term state legislator. I worked the floor of the Republican National Convention for Barry Goldwater in 1960 which placed me on the "outs" with my mostly moderate "Rockefeller Republican" family. Then I upset them even more by becoming a Democrat in 1965! Thankfully, most are still moderate pro-choice, pro-gay, and pro-woman Republicans and are finally seeing what I saw in 1965 when I switched my voter registration....that the GOP, the "Party of Lincoln" has been hijacked by the racists starting with Nixon, then the fundies and neocons under Ronald Reagan.
Most of my friends and family are still Republicans and I am encouraged many see through John McCain and are voicing their support for Barack Obama.
Measured_Response
· 1 year ago
Then again, the Associated Press did just publish a rather large and embarrassing article about how Hillary was often in the White House while Bill Clinton was asking Monica for oral sex,
I'm guessing the implication is that Hillary Clinton was amiss in her first lady duties because she was not aware of what was taking place while under the same roof. An educated guess would put the average size home in America at 1500 to 2000 square feet total floor area. The White House total floor area (total of 6 floors) is approximately 55,000 square feet. That's 20 to 30 times the average sized house. So Hillary Clinton's crime was what? , not walking through 55,000 square feet daily? Lets move on.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Was Hillary amiss in her first lady duties or amiss as a companion to her husband? Where was Hillary when it came to giving her husband the love and companionship he seemed to be looking for in many other women starting way back in Arkansas with a long adulterous affair with Gennifer Flowers? Theirs has often been a called a marriage of convenience and it sometimes appears that Hillary is now calling in her chits.
Measured_Response
· 1 year ago
I have no idea why personal sexual lives of others are anyones business other than those within that circle. I do know that the divorce rate in America is running about 50%, kudos to those who manage to stay married for whatever reason.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
I think many Americans were most upset that Bill had his sex with Monica while he was "on the job" supposedly running our nation's affairs and inside the "people's house" as the White House is often called since it is a national treasure paid for and maintained by the American taxpayers. If Bill had taken Monica to a Motel 6 where such affairs often take place, I don't think as many would be upset.
Measured_Response
· 1 year ago
I think many Americans were most upset that Bill had his sex with Monica while he was "on the job" supposedly running our nation's affairs and inside the "people's house" as the White House is often called since it is a national treasure paid for and maintained by the American taxpayers. If Bill had taken Monica to a Motel 6 where such affairs often take place, I don't think as many would be upset.
I'm trying to follow your reasoning the best I can, would you indulge me please. Are you saying you think it's ok for a sitting President to have sex with his wife, in the White House at any time of the day or night? OR are you saying a sitting President can only have sex with his wife during "off the job" times? When would those "off the job" times be, as my understanding is that a sitting President would be required by default to be "on the job" 24/7.
That would leave no times for sex, with your wife or a fling on the side. Have you ever gone with no sex 24/7, I know I can't do it. BTW going to the Motel 6 would have required extra security detail and expense, doing it in the White House where the rent is already paid didn't waste any tax payer money. I'm a progressive liberal democrat, so I don't worry about or snoop into others sex lives.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
The president has PRIVATE living quarters for such things as eating, sleeping, bathing, and "having sex".
I am ALSO a progressive liberal, an out of the closet gay man since 1965. I still find it in very poor taste and judgment to have sex with a subordinate in the work place and evidently on work time as Bill was once talking to a Senator on the phone while Monica was on her knees at the same time. Bill is noted for his compartmentalization and I guess that proved it. One reason folks find teachers having sex with students of legal age (college profs with students), clergy having sex with older members of their congregations is that is unethical in the professional arena, a violation of the position of those with authority over those with less power.
I defended Bill Clinton because he wagged his finger in my face and I believed him. I don't appreciate the egg he put on my face when the truth came out and he really was the scumbag that most Americans felt he was.
Measured_Response
· 1 year ago
I'm obviously more liberal than you because I don't find it in "poor taste". I'm in my mid 30's so maybe it's a generational thing. We all have sexual needs. I do agree Bill should have owed up to it ( to his wife only ) but in hindsight I think most of us would have lied and tried to wish it away. I have always wondered why Monica never washed the blue dress, I'm sure we will never know. Oh well, it's all water under the bridge ( under the desk, lol ) now.
I do wonder if McCain or Darth Vader ever have sex anymore, nah forget it, I don't want to know, too much information.
Sanders
· 1 year ago
Slick Willie took advantage of a young intern. If that had been Larry Craig, do you honestly think the liberal media would have let him off so easy? The point is that Hillary was attracted to a sexual deviant and that is part of the public record. Do we really want someone with that lack of judgement to have her finger on the nuclear button? Think about it.
BorninUSA
· 1 year ago
I was never one who believed that Monica was all that innocent. She knew exactly what she was doing and with who. What an accomplishment; blowing the POTUS! She couldn't wait to tell her friend all about it. Was Bill so stupid that he didn't think a 21? year old wouldn't tell.
paulko
· 1 year ago
It is NOT any of your or my business who people have sex with! Get over it and get your hands off your crotch and on the keyboard!
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I am very angry at what they are up to.
We knew them at Yale in the seventies. She was manipulating the Law School
back then to make her head of Law Review. And a bunch of us, who were
married and gay, and used to tryst in the Yale locker room area in the early
seventies, thought Bill looked a bit familiar when he ran in 92...ahem...the
man's dick controls his brain. And yes it lists to starboard...
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night a buddy of mine invited me for a little squash match at the gym. I was
pretty smelly when we ended and he told me that the shower and locker room
area were wild on Friday nights. I said well that's cool. All I remember was
about twenty men working on me in the locker room...this was pre-HIV crazy
gay lib seventies and everyone was screwing everyone. I used to play a
regular game of squash every Friday after that...ahem...Jump ahead to early
1992. Or it may have been late '91. Well a whole bunch of us were giggling
and tittering when this Arkansas governor was getting face time on the
news...my goodness he looked awfully familiar. Bear in mind time had passed
and he was older, as were we all, but he sure looked mighty familiar. I mean
really familiar.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_E._Kendall
Kendall, after a year at Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar became very close friends of Bill and Hillary along with Yale classmate Greg Craig. Craig was hired by Hillary for her several legal problems while First Lady, then by Bill along with Kendall and the late Charles Ruff for counsel during the impeachment trial.
Now life-long Clinton friend Greg Craig has joined the Obama campaign. What does Craig know about the Clintons after knowing so much for years?
Texas isn't as "red" as some would like to believe. Even in his "home state" George W. Bush only pulled about 60% of the vote here with a dozen other states (most in the Great Plains and Mountain West...NOT the Deep South) giving more of their votes to Bush.
The Houston Chronicle in studying the primary votes found that in Harris County (Houston and many suburbs) that the white vote split 50-50 between Obama and Clinton (in contrast, in Ohio, Obama only got 38% of the white vote...so much for the stereotype of Yankees being color-blind). The Hispanic vote in Harris County went 84% for Hillary and the black vote went 85% for Obama. Hillary did almost all of her campaigning in Texas in front of mostly Hispanic audiences, neglecting white and black audiences (except often being accompanied by black Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee). Gone were the old very visible photo-ops of Bill and Hillary singing and clapping in black churches.
Maybe because they saw what a failure he was as governor. My in-laws lived in Texas and said politics were so crooked there, from school board elections on up.
One problem in our politics is that folks often don't pay attention to whom is running for office nor take an active role by voting. Therefore, we have had many of our local school districts and local government taken over by the crazy reich-wing religious fundies.
I lost my respect for Hillary when she threw the Palestinian cause under the bus as soon as she unpacked her carpetbags in New York state to run for the U.S. Senate as an INSTANT New Yorker. With a few million zionist votes in that state and needing AIPAC money and support, Hillary flip-flopped and became a "best friend" of the neocon zionists in Israel. Then I realized that the Clintons were the biggest of pander bears...say anything, do anything to WIN, to get power.
To be honest I think it has been mentioned more times on AmericaBlog than by the Republicans. It's an old story that some try to revive with new nuances.
Most of us are getting past Obama and Wright which is days old, so why the pontification and continued passing references to Bill Clinton from many years ago. I'm voting for who ever is our Democratic nominee. I won't make excuses for Obama or Clinton and I won't bash either one, that just gives the Republicans more ammunition and falls in line with their talking points.
posted at 7:48 am on March 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
That’s the question John McCain must be asking himself after hearing a strange assertion from Bill Clinton about Hillary Clinton’s qualifications. Bragging that “the girl” has more former military commanders endorsing her than anyone else, Bill said that her unique experience among all of the candidates on the Senate Armed Services Committee made the difference. If so, the commanders must be as bad at research as Bill, because McCain has served on that committee since before Bill and Hillary ever came to Washington:
He continued to highlight the military issue later in Cary, accentuating his wife’s gender to emphasize his point that more generals have endorsed Clinton than both Obama and Republican candidate John McCain.
“You might wonder why that’s so: Why did they endorse the girl for president? All these generals?” Clinton said.
He said that’s partially because she’s the only member of the Armed Services Committee in the race and also because of her support for wounded veterans.
Er … what? A quick check of the ASC committee page on the Senate website to prove Clinton wrong. At the top of the column of Republicans sits John McCain, ranking member on the Committee. According to Wikipedia, he’s been there since 1987, or about four times as long as Hillary, who joined the committee in 2003.
It’s going to be hard for Bill to claim that he wasn’t aware of McCain’s presence on that committee. McCain served on the ASC every year Bill Clinton was President. Hillary supposedly attends the committee meetings, for that matter. If she never noticed that McCain sat at the same table she did, it’s fair to ask what else went over her head at the meetings.
Are the Clintons making this up as they go along? Were their lies always this threadbare, as with Hillary’s claims of facing down deadly danger on her USO trip to Tuzla in 1996? The Democratic race appears to have descended into a contest to find the least-worst option, and both candidates are working hard to lose that contest.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/22/does-hill...
(John links to Atrios who doesn't link to a source). Then could we maybe have a discussion about whether the Obama campaign's spin is supported? I don't see where it is. His statements about a McCain/HRC GE pretty much ignore BO, which imust be what set people off.
Why is Obama going negative at this point when he has an "insurmountable" lead? And why with such weak material? If he's this over-sensitive with an insurmountable lead, it doesn't bode well for the fall...
People are finally getting the message of what Obama's campaigning has wrought, including when he flippantly said he could get Clinton's voters, but she couldn't get his. Then his wife weighed in and made matters worse by saying she'd have to think about it before she could say she'd vote for Clinton. Add the other events, including former chief of staff of the Air Force Tony McPeak, co-chair of Obama's presidential campaign, going well off the reservation yet again. The first time is when McPeak said Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits; he isn't discovering his voice at the age of 60."
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id...
"Progressive" Taylor Marsh parrots the SAME remarks I have read on reich-wing blogs, the LIE implying that Michelle Obama "won't vote for Clinton!" Michelle was asked about actively campaigning for Clinton and if Taylor Marsh had completed her FULL statement, she also said, "Everyone in this party is going to work hard for whoever the nominee is. I think we're all working for the same thing. Our goal is to make sure the person in the White House is going to take this country in a different direction. I happen to believe Barack is the only person who can really do that."
Of course if the Obama hater, Taylor Marsh had gone to see the original interview instead of the EDITED YouTube version which took Michell "out-of-context" she couldn't make her erroneous remark, above.
As for the Monica Lewinsky scandal--yeah, the media and the GOP attack dogs are going to get as much mileage out of that again as they can. Who the hell cares! This was a private matter then, it's a private matter now. Move on already.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13589
the Clintons now dismiss his endorsement of Obama as insignificant.
so insignificant they worked their tails off to get it?
You, and apparent the General, have taken this to mean Bill was saying that his wife and Senator McCain are patriotic, and that, by omission, Barack Obama is not.
Anyone not afflicted by CDS would read this as a wistful hope that one could hold an election (between any two candidates) and assume that they both, you know, gave a shit about the country and focus on their different solutions to problems facing us. But no. It's all about dissing The Chosen One.
How is this any different from hearing Obama's comment about his grandmother being a 'typical white person' and assuming, as the crazies at Fox and Friends do, that he's making racist comments about his own grandmother?
Doesn't it give you guys the creeps to be echoing the likes of Rush LImbaugh and Pat Buchanan in bringing back all the old Clinton canards?
I keep expecting John to suddenly conclude the Clintons WERE running drugs out of Mena airport.
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You might want to do some research on Michelle Malkin before repeating any of the talking points from that trash website.
And your point is? Don't forget it was conservatives like Matt Drudge who had the forsight and courage to expose Bill, Hill, and Monica in the first place. The liberal media tried to white-wash the whole "blue-dress" story, but the public knew better. It's a story about integrity and sexual misconduct and Hillary is just as much a part of it as Bill. A few weeks ago Drudge had several stories linking Hillary as a possible sex partner of one of her female aides. Do we really want someone of that lifestyle choice to be in control of the nuclear football? Think about it.
People are sick of these divisive labels used by the Hillbot crew to demonize Independents and forward-thinking Republcans. Democrats don't want to play these partisan games any more. Barack is going to unify both Parties and he has pledged to incorporate effective and intelligent Republican leaders into his Administration. We need people of all stripes in the Obama campaign. Let's not diss our Republican brothers and sisters by labelling them with these epithets. Shillary and Slick Willie started the whole negative campaigning garbage back in the 90's. Let's rebuke "the monster" and "the McCarthyite" once and for all.
Most of my friends and family are still Republicans and I am encouraged many see through John McCain and are voicing their support for Barack Obama.
I'm guessing the implication is that Hillary Clinton was amiss in her first lady duties because she was not aware of what was taking place while under the same roof. An educated guess would put the average size home in America at 1500 to 2000 square feet total floor area. The White House total floor area (total of 6 floors) is approximately 55,000 square feet. That's 20 to 30 times the average sized house. So Hillary Clinton's crime was what? , not walking through 55,000 square feet daily? Lets move on.
I'm trying to follow your reasoning the best I can, would you indulge me please. Are you saying you think it's ok for a sitting President to have sex with his wife, in the White House at any time of the day or night? OR are you saying a sitting President can only have sex with his wife during "off the job" times? When would those "off the job" times be, as my understanding is that a sitting President would be required by default to be "on the job" 24/7.
That would leave no times for sex, with your wife or a fling on the side. Have you ever gone with no sex 24/7, I know I can't do it. BTW going to the Motel 6 would have required extra security detail and expense, doing it in the White House where the rent is already paid didn't waste any tax payer money. I'm a progressive liberal democrat, so I don't worry about or snoop into others sex lives.
I am ALSO a progressive liberal, an out of the closet gay man since 1965. I still find it in very poor taste and judgment to have sex with a subordinate in the work place and evidently on work time as Bill was once talking to a Senator on the phone while Monica was on her knees at the same time. Bill is noted for his compartmentalization and I guess that proved it. One reason folks find teachers having sex with students of legal age (college profs with students), clergy having sex with older members of their congregations is that is unethical in the professional arena, a violation of the position of those with authority over those with less power.
I defended Bill Clinton because he wagged his finger in my face and I believed him. I don't appreciate the egg he put on my face when the truth came out and he really was the scumbag that most Americans felt he was.
I do wonder if McCain or Darth Vader ever have sex anymore, nah forget it, I don't want to know, too much information.
Get over it and get your hands off your crotch and on the keyboard!